The pilots and crew who mercilessly dropped their bombs on German civilians belong in one place: HELL! These fucking terrorists didn't show any sympathy to Mothers taking shelter with their Children. God will show none to them.
The use of ther term 'terror bombing' is interesting - it was inventned by that most hones of men - Dr Joseph Goebbels himself. The Luffwaffe bombing was ''revenge' bombing carried out by the heroes of the Luftwaffe. It is interesting that Goebbels terminology is preferred by those who would revise history. I lived through the war. After the war I lived in Germany and my best friend was Lothar Goebbels, a nephew of Dr J. Lothar committed suicide in 1953 becasue no German would give him a job.
While germans may have contributed on that particular field of warfare in no way was it their idea to drop bombs on enemy civilians to break the moral of your enemy. If I remember correctly turks, italians and bulgarians did this first even prior to WW1.
161 german cities were bombed,by the RAF and USAF(cologne was bombed 263 times,essen over 270 times)a small city in the north caled Svenemunde was bombed by 800 bombers te town had 22.000 inhabitans,and duble that imigrants from other destroyed towns and cities ,more than 14.000 civilians died,the bombing was ordered by the russians because it was an ,,important,,suply port.
@DevoteeTrance You started the war (officially) in the first place and you ended it with a mass civilian massacre. Now I will stop 'wasting'your time, thank you for commenting.
@Zfk41 You firebombed London and Coventry. You firebombed Warsaw. You wiped out the city of Lidice. You caused the Holocaust, the biggest murder mill of al time. You raped Soviet Russia. You hanged innocent people. You experimented on and killed children. The fucking 3rd Reich Germans were the world's biggest scum and you complain about Dresden. How dare you, you warmongering garbage. To you, indiscriminate murder was a hobby.
@Zfk41 Yes, but Comrade, they haven't ended it at all. The fact that you, I and many, many others are here, expressing opinions, recruiting, growing, training and ultimately fighting once more shows you can kill the man but not the idea. Let these unfortunates snipe away brother. In the meantime we'll just carry on growing. 88
@DevoteeTrance 'which is a waste of my time' Then don't answer me in the the first place. It doesn't make me a Nazi when I disagree with many of you statements, that's called an opinion you fool. You are an ignorant idiot who can't handle any negative comments.
@DevoteeTrance And with pointing at the Einsatzgruppen, a special extermination group of the German army does not justify any allied atrocities like you think it does.
@DevoteeTrance First of all, USSR, 1 out of the big 3, were the biggest war criminals of WWII and their allies just ignored all atrocities commited by these bolshevik pigs. Prettifying Russia doesn't make you any better, you have no idea how many atrocities they commited. UK & US also killed POW's, tortured them in prisoner camps under horrible conditions, they had also military personnel who raped and looted civilians and responsibility for the terrorbombings wherefore they never got punished.
@DevoteeTrance Always defending your own country and only blame others (>US)....
All waves were unnecessary, there weren't any military targets in many of the carpet bombed cities around Europe. Like I said before, fire was used to kill. Killing civilians IS a war crime. The German war criminals paid with their lives, the allies got away with it all. You are so ignorant that you still think that the allies were saints or something, isn't it?
@DevoteeTrance It is a war crime,and they just got away with it.
There was definatly a things a precision bombing back then,not as accurate as it is with todays technology,but you would be suprised how precise the bombers could be,and not even mentioning fighter planes.Many cities were destroyed by carpet bombing,just random bombing for causing damage and killing civilians.They used fosfor because they knew you couldn't put out the fire out easily and it did incredible damage to humans/buildings
@ptimms79822004 These rates are of course correct, but they nevertheless give wrong picture of the real considerabnly higher death toll for several reasons.
(1) The body count was stopped because of the approaching red army,
(2) The conditions on the ground during the firestorm were severe and the temperature could melt even steel, thus destroying totally an average adult body in half an hour including the teeth,
(3) The bodies de facto found vs. destroyed area & buildings is incompatible.
@ptimms79822004 Think about this:"... the old town and the inner eastern suburbs had been engulfed in a single fire that had destroyed almost 12,000 dwellings ... 24 banks, 26 insurance buildings, 31 stores and retail houses, 640 shops, 64 warehouses, 2 market halls, 31 large hotels, 26 public houses, 63 administrative buildings, 3 theatres, 18 cinemas, 11 churches, 6 chapels; 5 other cultural buildings, 19 hospitals including auxiliary, overflow hospitals, and private clinics, 39 schools ...
@ptimms79822004 I presented here before a calculation based on the number of housing and public buildings destroyed, assuming that not even a significant part of the 400 000 refugees were packed in the parks and squares of the Old Town and in homes. I even assumed that a considerable part of the refugees succeeded in fleeing the fires in the center. ...
@ptimms79822004 ...And I got only 1 casualty per a destroyed building if the official number was taken seriously, whereas numbers like 200 000 dead appeared to be way more compatible with the 15 square miles and number of housing and public buildings destroyed and the (even rather minor) number of refugees packed in the old town.
I will present my calculation again. I did it a couple of months ago.
I don't believe in the 25000 or even 35000 dead as the truth for it defies all common sense.
Why not use the the document's by the Hoehere SS- und Polizeifuehrer Elbe,
who was responsible for civil defence measures in Dresden, when David Irving saw this he wrote to the papers admitting that his figures were junk and the total was far lower than commonly thought at the time. I very much doubt that this document was written by the Jews some of you fear so much.
The terror bombing of civilian population in WWII was terrible, although as part of "total war" it's hard to see how it could have been avoided. Certainly Germany did it to England, and only stopped because it lost air superiority. Who doesn't believe that Hitler, if he'd possessed the atomic bomb, wouldn't have used it on Allied cities? In addition, bombing accuracy was so bad at that time, that targeted, "strategic" bombing was only an ideal. The reality was that bombs fell all over the place.
And finally to all of would be heroes who think they'd NOT TURN A BLIND EYE and stand up to the Gestapo, think again. I certainly would not have been brave enough to stand up to the Gestapoand I might sell my soul to the devil if it spared my own children. Unless one is a saint or true hero, most of us would be like George Orwell's character in room 101 and scream our betrayal ' Do it to Julia , not me!'
The people of Dresden, nor Germany itself, didn't all support Hitler. Only about a third got him in power via PR! Mad bad Adolf needed a very sophisticated and extensive secret police to terrorise the people. Approx 10 million died in the con-camps, so quite a few million were German gypsies, communists etc. Also, the late carpet bombing of civilians was a crime- it's evil to burn helpless women and children alive whatever side they're on or whatever was done to others in their name.
Just mention con- camps and ALL atrocities from GB or USA et al are overidden.Yet I believe that incinerating people by saturation bombing is equally evil. Let's remember that millions of Germans also perished in concentration camps, during WW2 and for years after during the 'Peace'. And, few know that the Russians re-opened them after so called liberation when even more Jews were chucked in alongside returning German soldiers alongside countless other 'undersirables'.
the germans only wanted total war when it was devastating some other country.they got way less than they deserved.they should have had their whole race destroyed and scattered to the winds.
So many beautiful European cities were destroyed during WW2 many hundreds of years of history of Cathedrals Churchs public buildings monuments destroyed in a few years of war. Warsaw was supposed to be one of the most lavish European cities and was nearly completely destroyed as were most German citys. All that history and development gone i find that quite sad....
When the Luftwaffe destroyed Warsaw in Sept 1939, they started the city bombing fashion in ww2, killing 240,000 about 10 times the number killed in Dresden (25,000) That of course, was not the terror bombing used by the RAF cowards - that was friendly, peaceful bombing by the heroes of the Luftwaffe. Goebbels would be so proud that the terms he invented in the propaganda ministry are still being used if only by those of limited intelligence - it saves them from having to think for themselves!
The Nazis started this war. The German people let the Nazi party take power. The German people either turned a blind eye and hid in cowardice or joined along as frenzied lunatics took over their country and murdered millions of innocent people. The German military payed the price they owed in combat and the German citizens payed the price they owed for foolish naivity and inaction. History has no pity on Germany nor do I.
@HuskerMoon Soo all the bloodshed shown here is negated because a politcal party took over? What kind of youth has america raised. Let's say if america has a really bad President and he fucks up america, so killing of americans will be negated and no pity will be shown because a political power became too powerful?
@Awesomeduud. No, not because a political party took over, because frenzied maniacal lunatics took over while the Germans stood by and let it happen, Because the German people turned a blind eye to the butchering of the Jews in their back yard. Because too many Germans choose to hide or ignore or lie down and take what was going on instead of fight to the death to prevent it. If the tables were turned would Americans be responsible. Yes they would. Would they deserve pity? No they would not.
@Awesomeduud. Absolutely. If America allows such a disgusting dispicable regime to come to power then Americans collectively would be just as responsible and would earn the karmic return dealt to them and would not deserve pity.
btw.. Your welcome.. For the fact your official language isn't fucking Japanese you bleeding fucking heart.
During cross-examination, prosecutor Hausner asked Eichmann if he considered himself guilty of the murder of millions of Jews. Eichmann replied: "Legally not, but in the human sense ... yes, for I am guilty of having deported them". When Hausner produced as evidence a quote by Eichmann in 1945 stating: "I will leap into my grave laughing because the feeling that I have five million human beings on my conscience is for me a source of extraordinary satisfaction."
Dont you think its interesting that when the Germans destroyed Warsaw in 1939 and later many other cities, that was'peace-loving' bombing by the heroes of the Luftwaffe and not the 'terror-bombing' or 'carpet-bombing' which Allied bombers. TI is interesting how Goebbels propaganda still permeated the thinking of many people. To hear his most famous question to the German peopl, simply Google up the statement Wollt ihr den totallen Krieg and listen to the unanimous resposne.
I walked among the death pits in Bergen Belsen in 1945 and witnessed German hospitality at first hand. This was Irma Grese's normal place of work. I read several witness of statements from women describing the physical and sexual assaults they had suffered from her. After the villagers of Bergen Belsen were made to walk though the camp to witness what had been done in their name, the mayor of the village committed suicide. Visi t Belsen. Liek Buchenwald, Dachau etc Its still there!
Why bomb Dresden? Because Dresden was just one is a sequence of European cities destroyed by bombing, a sequence started by Germans when they destroyed Warsaw in Sept 1939 killing ten times more people (240,000) than were killed in Dresden (25,000). At the same time V2 rockets were still falling indiscriminately on London, rockets made by slave labour in Mittelbau-Dora, 20,000 of whom were hung, shot, beaten or starved to death in the process. Why should Dresden not have been bombed?
German generals like Rommel wanted to surrender ,Winnie would only deal with the monkey grinder Hitler who didn't want to, so the war went on until he commtted suicide- so it goes!
The people of Dresden, nor Germany itself, didn't all support Hitler. Only about a third got him in power via PR! Mad bad Adolf needed a very sophisticated and extensive secret police to terrorise the people. Approx 10 million died in the con-camps, so quite a few million were German gypsies, communists etc. Also, the late carpet bombing of civilians was a crime- it's evil to burn helpless women and children alive whatever side they're on or whatever was done to others in their name.
Revisionists claim that Dresden was unnecessary because the war was almost over. It wasn't. The Allies had not yet crossed the Rhine in the West and the Russians were not yet over the German border. V2 rockets were still falling indiscrimately on London and German generals were steadfastly refusing to surrender even though the knew they could not win .Their penchant for einsatzgrupppen and still operating extemination camps legitimized Dresden. The immutable, painful truth endures..
Yes Yes.. The evil cruel RAF.. Who the fuck do you think you are? Germany gets away with Blitzkreig nightly on London and Liverpool and Manchester ec t and the brits are supposed to sit back and smile and say.. Oh thats ok Hitler. Want the Channel Islands? Sure.. have em.. Veilen Danke! Obviously and AMAZINGFUCKINGLY Germany didn't learn their fucking lesson. Jeezus Christ... That fact 4 fucking bleeding heart, Neo nazi, anti semites liked this statement is proof enough.
Nice to see yet another fucked up anglo saxon retard with no education.
For the record, it was you english led by your war criminals Churchill and that slit-eyed butcher Harris who STARTED the bombing campaign against the German civilians in May 1940 and did it for THREE MONTHS straight BEFORE the Germans even started retaliating. So you fucking english swineheads not only START it all, but carry out mass murder of a million of people and then LIE about it ever since.
"It was you english led by your war criminals Churchill and that slit-eyed butcher Harris who STARTED the bombing campaign against the German civilians in May 1940".
The Germans, of course, had a squeaky-clean record from their land and air campaigns against Britain's allies up to this time, hadn't they? It obviously hadn't occured to them that if you pull a cat's tail for long enough, sooner or later it will turn around and bite.
@cpj93070 I mean, tell me when Finland bombard warzaw and london? NEVER! And i say, read history because you say "you started it bombing warzaw london etc" Are you realy so stupid?
@skoko1945 how about the death sentence to anyone that feeds German POWs. Allied war crimes: Canicatti slaughter, murder of civilians. Dachau Massacre, killing of German POWs. Bisacri massacre, same as Dachau Massare. To name a few, you are told by your leaders that your country didn't commit war crimes. But they did
Though a small child, I was there, and I watched from a hill southwest of Dresden, while the British and American bombers destroyed Dresden. First came the British "Lancaster Bombers", and while they passed over our small farmhouse south of that city, their vibration was so enormous, that a picture was bouncing uncrontollably against the walls of that farmhouse, its glass fragments then littering the floor. War is indeed hell, as I later found out in Vietnam!
Hello! I am doing a huge project on WWII bombings being war crimes and I was wondering if I could use this video. It has accurate information and is well made. Please tell me if I can use it.
@PHILpbook Do an honest project. Start with the fact that city bombing in WW2 began with the German attack on Warsaw which killed 240,000 civilians - almost 10 X more than were killed in Dresden. Mention also that Dresden had were aircraft components factories; a poison gas factory (Chemische Fabrik Goye); an anti-aircraft gun factory; an optical goods factory (Zeiss Ikon AG); factories producing electrical and X-ray apparatus (Koch & Sterzel AG); gears and differentials (Saxoniswerke)
@PHILpbook A few words you might like to include in your project which gained notoriety during WW2. Herrenmenschen, Untermenschen, Einsfuenfundsiebziger, Belsen, Dauchau, Buchenwald, Mittlebau-Dora, Belzec, Oradour-sur-Glane, Ardeantine Caves, ' Wollt ihr den totallen Krieg', lebensraum, Auschwiz, Banjica, Bredtvet, Chelmno, Flossenberg, Herzogenbusch, Jasenovac, Maly Trostenets, Ravensbruck, Treblinka. There are many words which have changed language forever.
It looks good, Phil, but some of the 'facts' given here are utter nonsense: for instance, "More were genocided [sic] in defenceless Dresden than died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined". This claim was made by (among others) David Irving, a revisionist historian whose book about Dresden was categorised by his publisher as 'a novel'! The latest research points to between 18,000 and 35,000 deaths - quite a difference.
There's lies, there's damned lies, and there's statistics.
@MSM4U2POM Those figures are Jewish propaganda lies, just like the six million figure. The 500 000 figure is not necessarily true. It is impossible though that only 18 000 died in a city of 600 000, that was completely destroyed and filled with refugees which made its population at least double.
You really show your ignorance when you say that the Germans provoked Britain. Hitler asked Churchill for peace several times before 1940 which he of course refused to accept.
Sorry, but your personal take on what is possible and what is not doesn't wash with me, mate. The latest study says 18,000 - 25,000, and if you've got any evidence that it is wrong, this would be the place to post it.
"Hitler asked Churchill for peace several times before 1940 which he of course refused to accept" - you ARE going to post the exact wording of these 'offers' together with sources, aren't you?
@MSM4U2POM A Jewish study is as worthless as you would view David Irving's book. If you don't even know basic WWII history, then please shut your stupid mouth. Hitler pursued an alliance with Britain before WWII, but as the British leaders were bought and only served their Jewish masters it was hopeless.
"No sacrifice would have been too great in order to gain England's alliance"
Adolf Hitler - 1936
"I am willing to help defend the British Empire by force if called upon"
"A Jewish study is as worthless as you would view David Irving's book".
ROFL!
It doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me WHO carried out the study, mate. Evidence is evidence, and your opinion does not change or threaten it. I can, however, state with confidence that Irving's work is full of manipulation, deception and outright lies, because it has been exposed as such in at least one court of law. And that's good enough for me.
"You really show your ignorance when you say that the Germans provoked Britain. Hitler asked Churchill for peace several times before 1940 which he of course refused to accept".
Other than starting wars, in which other sport did Adolf Hitler excel, mate? I'll give you a clue: look up Count Two of the Indictment at the Nuremberg Trial. It might go a long way to explaining Churchill's intransigence.
If one percent of one percent of the energy and resources spent on these thousands of air raids of German city centers was rather spent in killing Hitler and a few of his key leaders, I would think that millions of lives (on both sides) and so much of German and European culture, art and beautiful historic cities could have been spared. War is such a terrible thing. Avoid it if at all possible! When will man learn?
This is a very important video. More people need to know just how bad the bombing of German civilian areas was. Completely wiping out whole cities needs to be seen in all its horror... not just something that is just flippantly commented on as "Oh, they had it coming". To the unbelievable extent that this kind of carpet bombing killing was done can only bee seen as barbaric. Why do so many think that WWII crimes were only made by the Nazi's?
The bombing of Dresden was militarily unnecessary but continuing an unwinnable war was even more unnecessary. The price of this unnecessary stupidity was millions of unnecessary deaths on all sides including those who died so horrendously in Dresden.
great work by the raf and they also did a good job on hamburg and berlin and the mayor of dresden has the nerve to object to a memorial being built in london for the 55000 british men who died for this country and let s not forget who started the bombing of cities and started the war i await the usual abuse and bad language
Bullshit! Harris wanted to target civilians. Göring did not. How many schools or churches did the Luftwaffe bomb in London. Ten? One? Two? Or how about zero.
@ss90ss444 st james church bishopsgate london completely destroyed in the blitz coventry cathederal etc etc can you tell me what history book are you reading from and how many british civilians were killed thousands so we finished what the drug induced goering started oh and we didn t kill jews on an industrial scale
They pilots bombed those churches because of a mistake. It is a well known fact that Hitler refused to use terror bombing against british civilian targets during the Blitz.
They bombed a few churches, big deal. How many civilian hospitals they bombed, uh. How many schools.
From the autumn of 1940 through to the spring of 1941, Britain was under almost constant attack from blast bombs and fire bombs dropped by the German Luftwaffe. The brave men of the RAF and their USAAF allies were well up for bringing the same to Hitler's German Reich. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
@peterp964 Indeed Hitler's German Reich was an evil empire that enslaved and killed tens of millions. From the autumn of 1940 through to the spring of 1941, Britain was under almost constant attack from blast bombs and fire bombs dropped by the German Luftwaffe. The brave men of the RAF and their USAAF allies were well up for bringing the same to the Hitler's German Reich. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. The RAF and USAAF did more than any other Western allied services to liberate Europe.
So why did they bomb places like Budapest and Sofia? Surely hungarians and bulgarians had nothing to do with what allegdly was done to british cities by the Luftwaffe.
What of the 19,000 Russian prisoners that died in Finnish POW camps of 'malnutrition' ? What of the 1000 Russian POW's 'executed' by Finnish camp guards. What of the innocent Russian women and children deliberately starved to death in Finnish concentration camps? What of the Finnish SS division used to further Nazi ideology sponsored by the Finnish Govmnt as a gift to Hitler?
@TheMrPangloss I'm smart enough not to be a cult member. LOL What's with this NWO cult. Seems to me to be some kind of belief to replace religion. You have to make up myths to give it validity. Ooooh mystical Illuminti are after me
@LordGodofMercy Again a rant with no single source. A troll like you with 20+ clones for "herding people".
Who would you take you seriously. You give numbers with only your word supporting them. But ypou don't care to give people first-hand sources or even second-hand source.
Well, that's what one would call self righteousness or arrogance. Does your British nationality give you this "right"? Well the others can decide if it is really worth it.
@TheMrPangloss What does ypou mean? Not very smart are you. Why did Stalin let the Luftwaffe train in secrecy from French and British eyes on Soviet airfields in 1930’s? This doesn’t fit in with your Britain orchestrated WW2 to depopulate Europe codswallop does it? I wonder what bullshite you’ll dream up for that one? Or what denial technique you will implement?
@TheMrPangloss I don't know! you wrote "What does ypou mean? " And as you are now giving spelling lessons I thought you could explain. I think it could be gibberish and you are fluent in it!
About my comment oh Hitler bombing Freiburg deliberetly, to justify bombing allied "open Cities" Looked up that comment I posted earler. Found a german article. Translated it in English."Hitler needed the child murder of Freiburg, in order to justify the bomb attacks on Rotterdam, Coventry, Birmingham, Liverpool and other Western European cities than so-called “retaliation attacks..."
@jrwel14 Thats intersting because the bombing of frieburg was ruled an accident. and do not change the subject to israel, do jews have a right to live in palistine? i can agree with that, does the state of israel have the right to exist? no it does not
Before the bombing of Cologne the Germans had saturation bombed London, Moscow, Stalingrad, Manchester, Birmingham, Coventry, Bristol, Plymouth, Portsmouth etc etc. The German Government should be honest and publish the facts on how many of their Luftwaffe bomber pilots came from Cologne. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind !!!!!!!!
Notice how all these Neo-Nazis are what I call,"Born after the Berlin Wall Nazis"? Must be why their viewpoint on the war is so wrong. Must have slept through History class! They think of Hitler as the perfect angel!
@jrwel14 notice how all these anti nazis born after the fall of the ussr like to pin blame of the nazis when there is no proof, a true historian on the other hand will look into the history of ww2 and not blindly accept what is taught because a crying old lady said so.
@ssszar Whose born after the fall of the USSR? Not me? Remember bomb shelters as a kid, The cuba crisis. Also, received a comment from someone who lived in Nazi germany as a child. He agreed with me about Hitler bombing Freiburg to blame the allies. He said that his grandfathers would whisper about it. For speaking of it meant certain death."Deutsche Flieger bombardierten Freiburg 1940 - Archiv des Forums für deutsche Geschichte"
Proof? If Hiler told you that he had jews killed you would deny !
@jrwel14 so now we are jumping onto other subjects. this german your talking about sounds like some guilti ridden blind idiot to is too busy apologizing to any jew he meets instead of taking some pride in his nations past. now did hitler bomb this city to blame the allies? no it was a mistake made by the luftwaffe. now you wish to talk about the holocaust? btw who declared war on who?
@ssszar Unlike you and the born after the berlin wall nazis. He ACTUALLY lived through what you people seem to dream about. He and the South Baden State Chancellery are just stating facts. Facts that those like you want to ignore. But, while you can deny or ignore history. You can't change it. No one can. Hitler didn't need to declare war on anybody. HE JUST INVADED. That's the easy way out. He blamed the allies so he could justify bombing open cities. Because at first he said he wouldn't
@ssszar The question shoud be who invaded who first. Germany was the first to invade. So the allies declared war. Just like Japan attacked Pearl harbor BEFORE there was a war with the states. So, the US declared war on Japan. Germany and Japan created WW2 by their actions by attacking others.
@jrwel14 stop changing subjects, now as to who invaded who first, german invaded poland to cease territory stolen from german after ww1, the masionic allies then decided to no mind their own business
@ssszar Who is changing subjects. Invading a country is more of a declaration of war than a verbal or written act. Germany invaded Poland, then what about all the other European countries, Russia , Africa.
@jrwel14 now we are changing the subject to russia and africa, so now that you dont want to admit that france and england were the ones who did not want to mind their own business at attacked germany for taking back land that was stolen by the allies and poland after ww1, now we are going to talk about africa, which was controlled by england, and stood in the way of germany taking the suez canal to attack russian from underneath, btw look up the free arabian korps
@ssszar My point is obvious. You said that England declared war on Germany. And, that germany attacked Poland. I said why would germany declare war on anybody. When they could just invade the country instead. sounds like a dirty system to me. And, Poland. Germany invaded Poland to get the land back. Well, then why invade Russia, Czechosovakia, France, and every other country in Europe. Were those countries a part of germany, too. Doubt it. Germany just wanted a third reich of global domination.
@jrwel14 since when does a declaration of war justify a war? who has the usa declared war on that gave them the right to invade all these other nations? you do not need a declaration of war to justify military action. in the case of czechosovakia, the invasion too place because the sudetenland saught independence and an allience with nazi germany. in the case of france,france decalred war on germany. and as for russia, dont know dont care, communism is evil.
@ssszar As in what gave Germany the right to invade all those other nations. We don't want the Nazis viewpoint. For, that is one where they think they can attack anyone. We have only mentioned a few of the European countries that Germany attacked. There's Scandinavia, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Hungary, others. Sure sounds like trying to control a large part of the world, doesn't it. I know people like you think of Hitler as a perfect angel. Maybe as the tooth fairy.
@jrwel14 what gave them the right was taking back land that once belonged to german or in other cases aided a fellow ally of germany. "sounds like trying to control a large part of the world" except thats not what they were doing. the fact is europe backed germany during the war because they say the evil of communism.
@ssszar Once again, since germany attacked all of Europe, Guess Hitler felt that Europe belonged to him. And, "Europe backed Germany" So, that's why he attacked all those countries. They were his allies and he bombed their cities, attacked their armies out of friendship. You people are so hipocritical. You try to make the world conform to your way of thinking. Ask the people of many of those countries who survived the war. Ask, them if they backed Germany. Look up Oradour-Sur-Glane, Distomo.
@jrwel14 really when did he attack romania and spain, italy and hungary? you seem to think of ww2 as being one giant singular event and not the series of events that it was. yes the axis had volunteers from more nations on earth than the allies ever had, the fact remains it was the french and the masons in england that started this war, it was not nationalist germany.
@ssszar You sound so neo-nazis. Hitler would be proud. Hitler started the war by invadeing countries. Also, if Hitler was so great, why did many germans want him dead? You seem to think that all of the wrongs were done by the allies. And, Germany were perfect angels with the tooth fairy as their leader!
@jrwel14 no england and france decided to start the war not germany, and the same can be said about you and the allies, you seem to think they were the "perfect angels"
@ssszar Never said that the allies were perfect. But, you and others act like the nazis were victimized by the whole world. Bomb a germn city-War Crime!Bomb an Allied city, justified. Germany bomb rotterdam, accident. Allies bomb Rotterdam, Warcrime! Never heard any one like you admit to JUST ONE item that the Germans did wrong! It's always the allies. And, you are from New Mexico. Not Germany
@jrwel14 where i am from is not important right now, the fact is, it was churchhills warmongering that started ww2 not hitler taking back land that belonged to germany. did the germany do some bad things, in war ever faction does something bad, however the lies that are told about germany are pure propaganda and nonsense. its people like you who dont want to admit the allies were war criminals, but they won so i guess its ok right?
@ssszar So, Germany taking back land that belonged to them. That's how many Mexicans feel about taking back New Mexico. So, It look s as if you feel that Mexico should do just that. Never said that any side was perfect. But, you people feel that the nazis were. That Hitler was the tooth fairy. And, the SS were the Easter Bunny. So, continue with your collecting Nazis bubble gum cards and goiing to neo-nazis bake sells.
@ssszar Noticed that I have been having a discssion with a born after the Berlin wall nazis! No wonder the viewpoints are so mixed up! Gets, it from playing so many war games!
@ssszar Still say that since you feel that germany had the right to invade Poland. To reclaim "Land that belonged to them" That, you feel Mexico should do the same to New Mexico!
@jrwel14 I still say that because it is the truth, as for my political beliefs on my homeland, those are not relevant to this topic, but i dont see new mexico has to belong to either, i dotn see why we shouldnt be our own independent nation.
@ssszar New mexico has everything to do with your comment about Poland belonged to Germany. New Mexico was a part of Mexico at one time. So, by your standards. If, Germany could take back it's land in Poland. Then, Mexico should have the same right to reclaim New Mexico. Unless you are a typical hippocritical Nazi. The ,"Do as I say, not as I do." mentality.
@jrwel14 actually mexico has every right to new mexico, Idealy New Mexican culture being part unique and different from mexican cultre, should be its own nation But again new mexican-mexican-american politics and history have nothing to do with this video
@ssszar It has EVERYTHING to do with your comment about Germany taking back their land in Poland. Throughout history, Countries lose and gain land from wars and purchases. Remember the Louisianna Purchase? A piece of land is never set in stone for one country. If, it did, the world's boundaries would have stayed the same since ancient times.
@jrwel14 stop changing the subject, the louisiana purchase has nothing to do with this video, which by the way was a valid land sale, unlike what happened to germany territory after ww2, the poles didnt buy the land from germany, it was given to poland by france after ww1, stop chaning the subject, the english warmongering is what caused ww2, the allies commited war crimes, deal with it
@ssszar Who is changing the subject? You stated that Germany had the right to the land. Are you being hippocritical? What applies to this instance, doen'st apply to others. Sure sounds hippocritical to me! If, France gave the land to the Poles. France sold the land to the United States. Same thing! Germany commited warcrimes. We all know it. Except for a few bigoted neo-nazis.
@jrwel14 im not the one who brought up the louisiana purchase, in regards to that, that was french land they could do with what they wanted, german land did not belong to france and therefor had no right to give anything of to poland, so hilter said to hell with tht we are taking back what is ours, now drop this subject because the fact is, england and france started ww2
@ssszar But, you brought up the fact that Germany invaded Poland to take back "their" land. But, if you look at maps for several hundred years. You would, "if you had an open mind" realize that nations boundaries are always changeing. Unless you feel that only germany has rights to certain land. But, other countries are up for grabs. Still say that They declared war on Germany because Germany invaded others countries.
@ssszar But, you brought up the fact that Germany invaded Poland to "take back their land" A nations boundaries are always changeing. So maybe by your standards, only Germany has the rights to certain land. And, every other countries boundaries are up for grabs.
@jrwel14 yes borders do change however that does not in anyway excuse what france did after ww1, that was german land belonging to german people with german people still livign there, that land was geramnys not polands, the fact of the mattter is england and france started ww2
@ssszar So, how did France obtain the land? By playing 7 card stud? Or, by the fortunes of war. Still say that with you stateing that germany took back their land. Then, maybe Mexico should take back New Mexico. No, am not mexican. Just useing your standards.
@ssszar Question, did germany ever give back the land of Alsace-Lorraine that Germany striped from France after the Franco- Prussian war of 1871? If, not. Then how dare the germans keep the land that belong to France!
@jrwel14 first off that area has nothing to do with this video, secondly the french and geramans have been fighting over that area for centuries, before the french had it it was german, and before that it was french, so on and so on, the fact is england and france, mainly england, started ww2
@ssszar Your commentary about Germany,"taking back the land" has nothing to do with this video, either. So, you commenting about that subject is okay. But, not mine.Sounds very familiar.
@jrwel14 yes it does, you said germany was evil they started the war, i said no they didnt, you said they why did they invade, and then i told you why, again what does new mexico, mexico, american polticts and the louisiana purchase have to do with this video, see my comment relates to ww2 and this video, yours do not, and the fact is germany did not start this war
@ssszar For the 100th time! You said that Germany invaded Poland to take back land that "belonged" to them. So, I said as many Mexicans want to take back New Mexico. Then, I said that throughout history. Countries have aquired land through purchasing and the spoils of war. So, you started it, not me. Guess someone who only thinks the world is one sided, can't see it! But, from someone who thinks that invadeing a country is not starting something. It's no wonder. You think so much like a nazis.
@jrwel14 the invasion of poland did start something, a war between poland and germany, it was not the business of france or england, the fact is the allies declared war on germany, not the other way around, englands free masons were the ones who started that war, they are the ones responsible for these war crimes , you cannot seem to accept that. instead you bring up mexico,
@ssszar Just comment how many mexicans think as you do. They want to take back what they perceive to be as "their land" There can't be one set of rules for Germany. And another set for everyone else.The Hitler Jugend was taught long before World War 2 to learn how to fight as soldiers. Guess Hitler planned for war long before it started.
@jrwel14 first off, mexico has every right to claim ownership of this area, secondly that has nothing to do with this video, the hitler youth was a great organization designed to raise the future leaders of germany, once you understand what a fascist society, of respect for your fellow citizen and a comradeship that is shared within the nation state. that was the purpose of the hitler youth, look at the sad state of the youth in the west today,though when you see the parents,its no suprise
@ssszar The hitler youth were taught to turn in their parents if they made 1 comment against the Nazis goverment. JUst stated that since Hitler had the youth be trained to fight a war,. Long BEFORE World War 2. THen, maybe he wanted a war long before it even happened. Hope you start learning Spainish! You say your homeland is New Mexico. But, you sound like a 100% World war 2 Nazis in germany. Would you turn in your parents?
@jrwel14 I already know spanish, there were 50,000 thousand spanish volunteers in the german military by the way/ but why would turning in their parents if there were against the government be a bad thing? wouldnt you turn in your parents if they were planning a terrorist attack against the government? And of course you would never be able to prove hitler wanted war forever. you seem to have a very american view of what national socialism is.
@jrwel14 again the hitler youth was trainng for the future of german society and government, again the hitler youth has nothing to do with this video. thats a fact and what is also a fact is that hitler did not start ww2
@ssszar So, you would turn in your parents if you had lived in Nazi germany. It figures. Just stated that since you are obessed with Hitler not starting WW2. Just made the comment that by teaching the german kids how to fight years BEFORE the war started. That, maybe Hitler wanted a World war. Why would turning in your parents not be a bad thing? It depends what kind of government they lived under. Think of WW2 Russia.Just have a worldwide view of what Nazi germany was.
@jrwel14 Yes, I would turn them in, if your family or friends were doing the same thing, why wouldnt you. I guess since you think the nazis were bad, and that fascism to you is bad, then its ok for terrorists to act against that bad government right? ofcourse the only way you know the nazis were bad, is becasse someone told you so, and your too lazy to research the truth of the matter. if hitler wanted a world war why didnt he declare war on england and france at the time he invaded poland?
@ssszar You have a warped sense of the nazis. BUt, since you were born in the mid 80s It's understandable. What happened then was so far removed from your world. That, you learned very little about it. I know the nazis were bad. Know about the killing squads, the camps, etc. You learned from movies, war games and from people who have the same warped ideals as you do. Many Germans even tried to kill Hitler. They knew what he was doing to their country.
@jrwel14 No, everything i learned initialy about the nazis, came form american textbooks, that continued the lies that have been going on for all these years, i have no idea where your getting video games from, my knowledge of the nazis does not come from videogames any more than yours comes from tarantino films, Many germans tried to kill hitler? or was it a handful of careerists who were only interested in their own private gain?
@ssszar why would you think that they were made up of lies? funny how some think that the comments about evil doings about the nazis are all lies. but, oh, how they believe the "evil"doings of the allies! As, if they had a predeterminded ideal before hand.
@ssszar Forgot to add that those who tried to kill Hitler were Germans who didn't like what he was doing to their country. Many wanted to surrender ,but he did not. Also, they didn't like the dictatorship, putting people in jail for no reason,etc, that he brought to their country. Not all germans were or wanted to be Nazis.
@jrwel14 yes but those that tried to kill him were very few in number, hell i think less than 100 there were other germans who were critical of him but they did not try to kill him or were thrown in jail. throwing people in jail for no reason is not evidence the nazis were evil, look at all the people who are thrown in jail for no reason, even today in this country, no not all germans wanted to be nazis or were proud to be german, but most of them left german before ww2
@jrwel14 as for the hitler youth, again, nothing to do with the video, but the fact is the hitler youth was an organization to educate the future leadership of german society, the values of a national socialist state, in a fascist state societies needs come before the needs of the individual,, and the hitler youth taught service to the state, though to a capitalist that must be hard to imagine.
The pilots and crew who mercilessly dropped their bombs on German civilians belong in one place: HELL! These fucking terrorists didn't show any sympathy to Mothers taking shelter with their Children. God will show none to them.
kokaneegoldbeer 1 month ago
@kokaneegoldbeer "It was we who started the strategic (bombing) offensive. It was a splendid decision"
J. M. Spaight. Principal Minister for Air, British Air Ministry.
"Bombing Vindicated" 1944
jagerfaust2009 3 weeks ago
@kokaneegoldbeer Which god do you serve? Surely not the Judeo-Christian god by Adolph Hitler you pagan twat!
AR15fan 4 days ago
The use of ther term 'terror bombing' is interesting - it was inventned by that most hones of men - Dr Joseph Goebbels himself. The Luffwaffe bombing was ''revenge' bombing carried out by the heroes of the Luftwaffe. It is interesting that Goebbels terminology is preferred by those who would revise history. I lived through the war. After the war I lived in Germany and my best friend was Lothar Goebbels, a nephew of Dr J. Lothar committed suicide in 1953 becasue no German would give him a job.
eddie123e 2 months ago
@eddie123e
While germans may have contributed on that particular field of warfare in no way was it their idea to drop bombs on enemy civilians to break the moral of your enemy. If I remember correctly turks, italians and bulgarians did this first even prior to WW1.
BENNYSIEGEL90 2 months ago
161 german cities were bombed,by the RAF and USAF(cologne was bombed 263 times,essen over 270 times)a small city in the north caled Svenemunde was bombed by 800 bombers te town had 22.000 inhabitans,and duble that imigrants from other destroyed towns and cities ,more than 14.000 civilians died,the bombing was ordered by the russians because it was an ,,important,,suply port.
DrRodneyMcKay421 2 months ago
No one here is trying to justify either crimes of any country.
I am getting sick of you people trying to whitewash it(Allies, nazis, communists, anyone) in order to make them more justifiable to the society.
WolfhoundMercenary 3 months ago 4
@WolfhoundMercenary I Agree for 100%. Non of the horrible things that happened back then can be justified by annother attrocitie.
Zfk41 3 months ago 10
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WolfhoundMercenary 3 months ago
@DevoteeTrance You started the war (officially) in the first place and you ended it with a mass civilian massacre. Now I will stop 'wasting'your time, thank you for commenting.
Zfk41 3 months ago
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@Zfk41 You firebombed London and Coventry. You firebombed Warsaw. You wiped out the city of Lidice. You caused the Holocaust, the biggest murder mill of al time. You raped Soviet Russia. You hanged innocent people. You experimented on and killed children. The fucking 3rd Reich Germans were the world's biggest scum and you complain about Dresden. How dare you, you warmongering garbage. To you, indiscriminate murder was a hobby.
WolfhoundMercenary 3 months ago
@Zfk41 Yes, but Comrade, they haven't ended it at all. The fact that you, I and many, many others are here, expressing opinions, recruiting, growing, training and ultimately fighting once more shows you can kill the man but not the idea. Let these unfortunates snipe away brother. In the meantime we'll just carry on growing. 88
alanbukuk 1 month ago
@DevoteeTrance 'which is a waste of my time' Then don't answer me in the the first place. It doesn't make me a Nazi when I disagree with many of you statements, that's called an opinion you fool. You are an ignorant idiot who can't handle any negative comments.
Zfk41 3 months ago 5
@DevoteeTrance And with pointing at the Einsatzgruppen, a special extermination group of the German army does not justify any allied atrocities like you think it does.
Zfk41 3 months ago 4
@DevoteeTrance First of all, USSR, 1 out of the big 3, were the biggest war criminals of WWII and their allies just ignored all atrocities commited by these bolshevik pigs. Prettifying Russia doesn't make you any better, you have no idea how many atrocities they commited. UK & US also killed POW's, tortured them in prisoner camps under horrible conditions, they had also military personnel who raped and looted civilians and responsibility for the terrorbombings wherefore they never got punished.
Zfk41 3 months ago 4
@DevoteeTrance Always defending your own country and only blame others (>US)....
All waves were unnecessary, there weren't any military targets in many of the carpet bombed cities around Europe. Like I said before, fire was used to kill. Killing civilians IS a war crime. The German war criminals paid with their lives, the allies got away with it all. You are so ignorant that you still think that the allies were saints or something, isn't it?
Zfk41 3 months ago 2
@DevoteeTrance But let's just forget the casualties of the Allied war crimes. After all the life of 1 jew counts as much as 50 other lives.
Zfk41 3 months ago 2
@DevoteeTrance It is a war crime,and they just got away with it.
There was definatly a things a precision bombing back then,not as accurate as it is with todays technology,but you would be suprised how precise the bombers could be,and not even mentioning fighter planes.Many cities were destroyed by carpet bombing,just random bombing for causing damage and killing civilians.They used fosfor because they knew you couldn't put out the fire out easily and it did incredible damage to humans/buildings
Zfk41 3 months ago 2
The crucial passage reads: "Casualties: by 10th March, 1945, 18,375 dead, 2,212
seriously injured, and 13,918 slightly injured had been registered,
with 350,000 homeless and permanently evacuated." The total
death-roll, "primarily women and children," was expected to reach
25,000; fewer than a hundred of the dead were servicemen. Of the
dead recovered by then, 6,865 had been cremated in one of the city
squares. A total of 35,000 people were listed as "missing".
ptimms79822004 5 months ago
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@ptimms79822004 These rates are of course correct, but they nevertheless give wrong picture of the real considerabnly higher death toll for several reasons.
(1) The body count was stopped because of the approaching red army,
(2) The conditions on the ground during the firestorm were severe and the temperature could melt even steel, thus destroying totally an average adult body in half an hour including the teeth,
(3) The bodies de facto found vs. destroyed area & buildings is incompatible.
TheMrPangloss 3 months ago
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@ptimms79822004 Think about this:"... the old town and the inner eastern suburbs had been engulfed in a single fire that had destroyed almost 12,000 dwellings ... 24 banks, 26 insurance buildings, 31 stores and retail houses, 640 shops, 64 warehouses, 2 market halls, 31 large hotels, 26 public houses, 63 administrative buildings, 3 theatres, 18 cinemas, 11 churches, 6 chapels; 5 other cultural buildings, 19 hospitals including auxiliary, overflow hospitals, and private clinics, 39 schools ...
TheMrPangloss 3 months ago
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@ptimms79822004 I presented here before a calculation based on the number of housing and public buildings destroyed, assuming that not even a significant part of the 400 000 refugees were packed in the parks and squares of the Old Town and in homes. I even assumed that a considerable part of the refugees succeeded in fleeing the fires in the center. ...
TheMrPangloss 3 months ago
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@ptimms79822004 ...And I got only 1 casualty per a destroyed building if the official number was taken seriously, whereas numbers like 200 000 dead appeared to be way more compatible with the 15 square miles and number of housing and public buildings destroyed and the (even rather minor) number of refugees packed in the old town.
I will present my calculation again. I did it a couple of months ago.
I don't believe in the 25000 or even 35000 dead as the truth for it defies all common sense.
TheMrPangloss 3 months ago
Why not use the the document's by the Hoehere SS- und Polizeifuehrer Elbe,
who was responsible for civil defence measures in Dresden, when David Irving saw this he wrote to the papers admitting that his figures were junk and the total was far lower than commonly thought at the time. I very much doubt that this document was written by the Jews some of you fear so much.
ptimms79822004 5 months ago
The terror bombing of civilian population in WWII was terrible, although as part of "total war" it's hard to see how it could have been avoided. Certainly Germany did it to England, and only stopped because it lost air superiority. Who doesn't believe that Hitler, if he'd possessed the atomic bomb, wouldn't have used it on Allied cities? In addition, bombing accuracy was so bad at that time, that targeted, "strategic" bombing was only an ideal. The reality was that bombs fell all over the place.
purplepeoplepurple 6 months ago
And finally to all of would be heroes who think they'd NOT TURN A BLIND EYE and stand up to the Gestapo, think again. I certainly would not have been brave enough to stand up to the Gestapoand I might sell my soul to the devil if it spared my own children. Unless one is a saint or true hero, most of us would be like George Orwell's character in room 101 and scream our betrayal ' Do it to Julia , not me!'
helenheather 6 months ago
The people of Dresden, nor Germany itself, didn't all support Hitler. Only about a third got him in power via PR! Mad bad Adolf needed a very sophisticated and extensive secret police to terrorise the people. Approx 10 million died in the con-camps, so quite a few million were German gypsies, communists etc. Also, the late carpet bombing of civilians was a crime- it's evil to burn helpless women and children alive whatever side they're on or whatever was done to others in their name.
helenheather 6 months ago
Just mention con- camps and ALL atrocities from GB or USA et al are overidden.Yet I believe that incinerating people by saturation bombing is equally evil. Let's remember that millions of Germans also perished in concentration camps, during WW2 and for years after during the 'Peace'. And, few know that the Russians re-opened them after so called liberation when even more Jews were chucked in alongside returning German soldiers alongside countless other 'undersirables'.
helenheather 6 months ago
the germans only wanted total war when it was devastating some other country.they got way less than they deserved.they should have had their whole race destroyed and scattered to the winds.
they were shown mercy.
dsb1019 7 months ago
So many beautiful European cities were destroyed during WW2 many hundreds of years of history of Cathedrals Churchs public buildings monuments destroyed in a few years of war. Warsaw was supposed to be one of the most lavish European cities and was nearly completely destroyed as were most German citys. All that history and development gone i find that quite sad....
ADZ01982 7 months ago
When the Luftwaffe destroyed Warsaw in Sept 1939, they started the city bombing fashion in ww2, killing 240,000 about 10 times the number killed in Dresden (25,000) That of course, was not the terror bombing used by the RAF cowards - that was friendly, peaceful bombing by the heroes of the Luftwaffe. Goebbels would be so proud that the terms he invented in the propaganda ministry are still being used if only by those of limited intelligence - it saves them from having to think for themselves!
eddie123e 7 months ago
The Nazis started this war. The German people let the Nazi party take power. The German people either turned a blind eye and hid in cowardice or joined along as frenzied lunatics took over their country and murdered millions of innocent people. The German military payed the price they owed in combat and the German citizens payed the price they owed for foolish naivity and inaction. History has no pity on Germany nor do I.
HuskerMoon 7 months ago
@HuskerMoon Soo all the bloodshed shown here is negated because a politcal party took over? What kind of youth has america raised. Let's say if america has a really bad President and he fucks up america, so killing of americans will be negated and no pity will be shown because a political power became too powerful?
Awesomeduud 7 months ago
@Awesomeduud. No, not because a political party took over, because frenzied maniacal lunatics took over while the Germans stood by and let it happen, Because the German people turned a blind eye to the butchering of the Jews in their back yard. Because too many Germans choose to hide or ignore or lie down and take what was going on instead of fight to the death to prevent it. If the tables were turned would Americans be responsible. Yes they would. Would they deserve pity? No they would not.
HuskerMoon 7 months ago
@Awesomeduud. Absolutely. If America allows such a disgusting dispicable regime to come to power then Americans collectively would be just as responsible and would earn the karmic return dealt to them and would not deserve pity.
btw.. Your welcome.. For the fact your official language isn't fucking Japanese you bleeding fucking heart.
HuskerMoon 6 months ago
During cross-examination, prosecutor Hausner asked Eichmann if he considered himself guilty of the murder of millions of Jews. Eichmann replied: "Legally not, but in the human sense ... yes, for I am guilty of having deported them". When Hausner produced as evidence a quote by Eichmann in 1945 stating: "I will leap into my grave laughing because the feeling that I have five million human beings on my conscience is for me a source of extraordinary satisfaction."
eddie123e 7 months ago
i say Hilter was a cunt and Germany got its payback
lifeisonehugedream 7 months ago
owned!
cipher656james 7 months ago
tWITTER tHEmRpANGLOSS
MissyPANGLOSS 7 months ago
Dont you think its interesting that when the Germans destroyed Warsaw in 1939 and later many other cities, that was'peace-loving' bombing by the heroes of the Luftwaffe and not the 'terror-bombing' or 'carpet-bombing' which Allied bombers. TI is interesting how Goebbels propaganda still permeated the thinking of many people. To hear his most famous question to the German peopl, simply Google up the statement Wollt ihr den totallen Krieg and listen to the unanimous resposne.
eddie123e 7 months ago
I walked among the death pits in Bergen Belsen in 1945 and witnessed German hospitality at first hand. This was Irma Grese's normal place of work. I read several witness of statements from women describing the physical and sexual assaults they had suffered from her. After the villagers of Bergen Belsen were made to walk though the camp to witness what had been done in their name, the mayor of the village committed suicide. Visi t Belsen. Liek Buchenwald, Dachau etc Its still there!
eddie123e 7 months ago
Things you dont get in history books.
39jthm 8 months ago
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Why bomb Dresden? Because Dresden was just one is a sequence of European cities destroyed by bombing, a sequence started by Germans when they destroyed Warsaw in Sept 1939 killing ten times more people (240,000) than were killed in Dresden (25,000). At the same time V2 rockets were still falling indiscriminately on London, rockets made by slave labour in Mittelbau-Dora, 20,000 of whom were hung, shot, beaten or starved to death in the process. Why should Dresden not have been bombed?
eddie123e 8 months ago
Allied War Crimes - Terror Bombings - My arse.
davidcliffordoz 8 months ago
German generals like Rommel wanted to surrender ,Winnie would only deal with the monkey grinder Hitler who didn't want to, so the war went on until he commtted suicide- so it goes!
helenheather 8 months ago
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@helenheather WHAT IS ZYKLON B ?
MissyPANGLOSS 7 months ago
The people of Dresden, nor Germany itself, didn't all support Hitler. Only about a third got him in power via PR! Mad bad Adolf needed a very sophisticated and extensive secret police to terrorise the people. Approx 10 million died in the con-camps, so quite a few million were German gypsies, communists etc. Also, the late carpet bombing of civilians was a crime- it's evil to burn helpless women and children alive whatever side they're on or whatever was done to others in their name.
helenheather 8 months ago
Revisionists claim that Dresden was unnecessary because the war was almost over. It wasn't. The Allies had not yet crossed the Rhine in the West and the Russians were not yet over the German border. V2 rockets were still falling indiscrimately on London and German generals were steadfastly refusing to surrender even though the knew they could not win .Their penchant for einsatzgrupppen and still operating extemination camps legitimized Dresden. The immutable, painful truth endures..
eddie123e 9 months ago
Remarkable- these bombings were intended to shorten the war, and need to be seen with that aim in mind.
2210ethan 9 months ago
RAF is real war criminal!
PitsaPoika 10 months ago 13
Yes Yes.. The evil cruel RAF.. Who the fuck do you think you are? Germany gets away with Blitzkreig nightly on London and Liverpool and Manchester ec t and the brits are supposed to sit back and smile and say.. Oh thats ok Hitler. Want the Channel Islands? Sure.. have em.. Veilen Danke! Obviously and AMAZINGFUCKINGLY Germany didn't learn their fucking lesson. Jeezus Christ... That fact 4 fucking bleeding heart, Neo nazi, anti semites liked this statement is proof enough.
HuskerMoon 6 months ago
@HuskerMoon
Nice to see yet another fucked up anglo saxon retard with no education.
For the record, it was you english led by your war criminals Churchill and that slit-eyed butcher Harris who STARTED the bombing campaign against the German civilians in May 1940 and did it for THREE MONTHS straight BEFORE the Germans even started retaliating. So you fucking english swineheads not only START it all, but carry out mass murder of a million of people and then LIE about it ever since.
MrPrimeMinister01 5 months ago
@MrPrimeMinister01
"It was you english led by your war criminals Churchill and that slit-eyed butcher Harris who STARTED the bombing campaign against the German civilians in May 1940".
The Germans, of course, had a squeaky-clean record from their land and air campaigns against Britain's allies up to this time, hadn't they? It obviously hadn't occured to them that if you pull a cat's tail for long enough, sooner or later it will turn around and bite.
MSM4U2POM 5 months ago
@HuskerMoon
Learn the facts first you dirty little MOTHER FUCKING DUMBSHIT ASSHOLE.
MrPrimeMinister01 5 months ago
Good Argument. LOL. xoxo
HuskerMoon 5 months ago
@PitsaPoika fuck you cunt, you started it bombing warzaw london etc
cpj93070 1 month ago
@cpj93070 "you stated"`? Read HISTORY crybaby, when FINLAND bombard, warzaw and london? etc..!
PitsaPoika 1 month ago
@PitsaPoika what the fuck are you on about? and learn to spell you rats bollocks, when finland bombard warzaw and london? wtf you on abou?
cpj93070 1 month ago
@cpj93070 I mean, tell me when Finland bombard warzaw and london? NEVER! And i say, read history because you say "you started it bombing warzaw london etc" Are you realy so stupid?
PitsaPoika 1 month ago
@PitsaPoika i thought you were german you stupid twat not finnish.
cpj93070 1 month ago
@PitsaPoika i was just qestioning what you said about finland read the question prob you twat.
cpj93070 1 month ago
so what about the death camps or are you blind to that
skoko1945 11 months ago
@skoko1945 how about the death sentence to anyone that feeds German POWs. Allied war crimes: Canicatti slaughter, murder of civilians. Dachau Massacre, killing of German POWs. Bisacri massacre, same as Dachau Massare. To name a few, you are told by your leaders that your country didn't commit war crimes. But they did
Awesomeduud 10 months ago
@skoko1945 Are you blind to the fact that proof of death camps doesn't exist.
The808102 8 months ago
this is sad... but sieg heil my people, for yesterday weve ruled the world... come tomorrow we rise agian
let our enemys die 1,000 deaths... for they are cowards fighting for the same principals they cant even follow
nle4lyfe 11 months ago
since the begining , humanity has been in a constant battle for resources ...
when deplomacy fails, war ensues..people suffer and people die...
this is our legacy...
dangermous1968 1 year ago
Though a small child, I was there, and I watched from a hill southwest of Dresden, while the British and American bombers destroyed Dresden. First came the British "Lancaster Bombers", and while they passed over our small farmhouse south of that city, their vibration was so enormous, that a picture was bouncing uncrontollably against the walls of that farmhouse, its glass fragments then littering the floor. War is indeed hell, as I later found out in Vietnam!
wolfgangpmay 1 year ago
Hello! I am doing a huge project on WWII bombings being war crimes and I was wondering if I could use this video. It has accurate information and is well made. Please tell me if I can use it.
Thank you,
PHILpbook
PHILpbook 1 year ago
@PHILpbook Thats not a problem, by all means :)
SturmFMJ 1 year ago
@PHILpbook
Mention also Zadar (Croatia) (1943. - 1944) - you can find easily by googling it...
hotibomba 1 year ago 3
@PHILpbook Do an honest project. Start with the fact that city bombing in WW2 began with the German attack on Warsaw which killed 240,000 civilians - almost 10 X more than were killed in Dresden. Mention also that Dresden had were aircraft components factories; a poison gas factory (Chemische Fabrik Goye); an anti-aircraft gun factory; an optical goods factory (Zeiss Ikon AG); factories producing electrical and X-ray apparatus (Koch & Sterzel AG); gears and differentials (Saxoniswerke)
eddie123e 10 months ago
@PHILpbook A few words you might like to include in your project which gained notoriety during WW2. Herrenmenschen, Untermenschen, Einsfuenfundsiebziger, Belsen, Dauchau, Buchenwald, Mittlebau-Dora, Belzec, Oradour-sur-Glane, Ardeantine Caves, ' Wollt ihr den totallen Krieg', lebensraum, Auschwiz, Banjica, Bredtvet, Chelmno, Flossenberg, Herzogenbusch, Jasenovac, Maly Trostenets, Ravensbruck, Treblinka. There are many words which have changed language forever.
eddie123e 7 months ago
@PHILpbook
It looks good, Phil, but some of the 'facts' given here are utter nonsense: for instance, "More were genocided [sic] in defenceless Dresden than died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined". This claim was made by (among others) David Irving, a revisionist historian whose book about Dresden was categorised by his publisher as 'a novel'! The latest research points to between 18,000 and 35,000 deaths - quite a difference.
There's lies, there's damned lies, and there's statistics.
MSM4U2POM 5 months ago
@MSM4U2POM Those figures are Jewish propaganda lies, just like the six million figure. The 500 000 figure is not necessarily true. It is impossible though that only 18 000 died in a city of 600 000, that was completely destroyed and filled with refugees which made its population at least double.
You really show your ignorance when you say that the Germans provoked Britain. Hitler asked Churchill for peace several times before 1940 which he of course refused to accept.
Reaktionar 5 months ago
@Reaktionar
Sorry, but your personal take on what is possible and what is not doesn't wash with me, mate. The latest study says 18,000 - 25,000, and if you've got any evidence that it is wrong, this would be the place to post it.
"Hitler asked Churchill for peace several times before 1940 which he of course refused to accept" - you ARE going to post the exact wording of these 'offers' together with sources, aren't you?
I shan't be holding my breath.
MSM4U2POM 5 months ago
@MSM4U2POM A Jewish study is as worthless as you would view David Irving's book. If you don't even know basic WWII history, then please shut your stupid mouth. Hitler pursued an alliance with Britain before WWII, but as the British leaders were bought and only served their Jewish masters it was hopeless.
"No sacrifice would have been too great in order to gain England's alliance"
Adolf Hitler - 1936
"I am willing to help defend the British Empire by force if called upon"
Adolf Hitler - 1933
Reaktionar 5 months ago
@Reaktionar
"A Jewish study is as worthless as you would view David Irving's book".
ROFL!
It doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me WHO carried out the study, mate. Evidence is evidence, and your opinion does not change or threaten it. I can, however, state with confidence that Irving's work is full of manipulation, deception and outright lies, because it has been exposed as such in at least one court of law. And that's good enough for me.
MSM4U2POM 5 months ago
@MSM4U2POM I will send the rest in a PM.
Reaktionar 5 months ago
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MSM4U2POM 5 months ago
@Reaktionar
"You really show your ignorance when you say that the Germans provoked Britain. Hitler asked Churchill for peace several times before 1940 which he of course refused to accept".
Other than starting wars, in which other sport did Adolf Hitler excel, mate? I'll give you a clue: look up Count Two of the Indictment at the Nuremberg Trial. It might go a long way to explaining Churchill's intransigence.
MSM4U2POM 5 months ago
If one percent of one percent of the energy and resources spent on these thousands of air raids of German city centers was rather spent in killing Hitler and a few of his key leaders, I would think that millions of lives (on both sides) and so much of German and European culture, art and beautiful historic cities could have been spared. War is such a terrible thing. Avoid it if at all possible! When will man learn?
hdphoto 1 year ago
@hdphoto
They did managed to kill few nazi leaders but not the big bosses like Göring, Goebbels, Hitler or Himmler.
ss90ss444 1 year ago
This is a very important video. More people need to know just how bad the bombing of German civilian areas was. Completely wiping out whole cities needs to be seen in all its horror... not just something that is just flippantly commented on as "Oh, they had it coming". To the unbelievable extent that this kind of carpet bombing killing was done can only bee seen as barbaric. Why do so many think that WWII crimes were only made by the Nazi's?
hdphoto 1 year ago
And to think. Göring promised "No enemy air plane will fly over Germany. If it does I will change my name to Meyer".
ss90ss444 1 year ago
The bombing of Dresden was militarily unnecessary but continuing an unwinnable war was even more unnecessary. The price of this unnecessary stupidity was millions of unnecessary deaths on all sides including those who died so horrendously in Dresden.
eddie123e 1 year ago
great work by the raf and they also did a good job on hamburg and berlin and the mayor of dresden has the nerve to object to a memorial being built in london for the 55000 british men who died for this country and let s not forget who started the bombing of cities and started the war i await the usual abuse and bad language
nikirk101 1 year ago
@nikirk101
Bullshit! Harris wanted to target civilians. Göring did not. How many schools or churches did the Luftwaffe bomb in London. Ten? One? Two? Or how about zero.
ss90ss444 1 year ago
@ss90ss444 st james church bishopsgate london completely destroyed in the blitz coventry cathederal etc etc can you tell me what history book are you reading from and how many british civilians were killed thousands so we finished what the drug induced goering started oh and we didn t kill jews on an industrial scale
nikirk101 1 year ago
@nikirk101
They pilots bombed those churches because of a mistake. It is a well known fact that Hitler refused to use terror bombing against british civilian targets during the Blitz.
They bombed a few churches, big deal. How many civilian hospitals they bombed, uh. How many schools.
ss90ss444 1 year ago
Great video, keep up the good work!
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DemonMann412 1 year ago
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From the autumn of 1940 through to the spring of 1941, Britain was under almost constant attack from blast bombs and fire bombs dropped by the German Luftwaffe. The brave men of the RAF and their USAAF allies were well up for bringing the same to Hitler's German Reich. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
RedGoblinus 1 year ago
Why did Germany refuse to surrender?
Why should more allied lives be lost fighting this evil empire?.
peterp964 1 year ago
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RedGoblinus 1 year ago
@peterp964 Indeed Hitler's German Reich was an evil empire that enslaved and killed tens of millions. From the autumn of 1940 through to the spring of 1941, Britain was under almost constant attack from blast bombs and fire bombs dropped by the German Luftwaffe. The brave men of the RAF and their USAAF allies were well up for bringing the same to the Hitler's German Reich. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. The RAF and USAAF did more than any other Western allied services to liberate Europe.
RedGoblinus 1 year ago
@RedGoblinus
So why did they bomb places like Budapest and Sofia? Surely hungarians and bulgarians had nothing to do with what allegdly was done to british cities by the Luftwaffe.
ss90ss444 1 year ago
TheMrPangroSSlies.
What of the 19,000 Russian prisoners that died in Finnish POW camps of 'malnutrition' ? What of the 1000 Russian POW's 'executed' by Finnish camp guards. What of the innocent Russian women and children deliberately starved to death in Finnish concentration camps? What of the Finnish SS division used to further Nazi ideology sponsored by the Finnish Govmnt as a gift to Hitler?
What of your hypocracy?
LordGodofMercy 1 year ago
@LordGodofMercy "your hypocracy"
Are you really English? The correct spelling is "HYPOCRISY".
If you are an Englishman from London as you claimed earlier, you are not very smart, are you.
TheMrPangloss 1 year ago
@TheMrPangloss I'm smart enough not to be a cult member. LOL What's with this NWO cult. Seems to me to be some kind of belief to replace religion. You have to make up myths to give it validity. Ooooh mystical Illuminti are after me
LordGodofMercy 1 year ago
@LordGodofMercy Again a rant with no single source. A troll like you with 20+ clones for "herding people".
Who would you take you seriously. You give numbers with only your word supporting them. But ypou don't care to give people first-hand sources or even second-hand source.
Well, that's what one would call self righteousness or arrogance. Does your British nationality give you this "right"? Well the others can decide if it is really worth it.
TheMrPangloss 1 year ago
@TheMrPangloss What does ypou mean? Not very smart are you. Why did Stalin let the Luftwaffe train in secrecy from French and British eyes on Soviet airfields in 1930’s? This doesn’t fit in with your Britain orchestrated WW2 to depopulate Europe codswallop does it? I wonder what bullshite you’ll dream up for that one? Or what denial technique you will implement?
LordGodofMercy 1 year ago
@LordGodofMercy "What does ypou mean? "
What does this mean? LOL
Is this English?
TheMrPangloss 1 year ago
@TheMrPangloss I don't know! you wrote "What does ypou mean? " And as you are now giving spelling lessons I thought you could explain. I think it could be gibberish and you are fluent in it!
LordGodofMercy 1 year ago
About my comment oh Hitler bombing Freiburg deliberetly, to justify bombing allied "open Cities" Looked up that comment I posted earler. Found a german article. Translated it in English."Hitler needed the child murder of Freiburg, in order to justify the bomb attacks on Rotterdam, Coventry, Birmingham, Liverpool and other Western European cities than so-called “retaliation attacks..."
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 Thats intersting because the bombing of frieburg was ruled an accident. and do not change the subject to israel, do jews have a right to live in palistine? i can agree with that, does the state of israel have the right to exist? no it does not
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar Why, because you don't want it to? What gives anyone the right to say who can exist and who can't?
jrwel14 1 year ago
Before the bombing of Cologne the Germans had saturation bombed London, Moscow, Stalingrad, Manchester, Birmingham, Coventry, Bristol, Plymouth, Portsmouth etc etc. The German Government should be honest and publish the facts on how many of their Luftwaffe bomber pilots came from Cologne. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind !!!!!!!!
RedGoblinus 1 year ago
Mr Pangloss the neo Nazi propaganda machine
blockthehood 1 year ago
Notice how all these Neo-Nazis are what I call,"Born after the Berlin Wall Nazis"? Must be why their viewpoint on the war is so wrong. Must have slept through History class! They think of Hitler as the perfect angel!
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 notice how all these anti nazis born after the fall of the ussr like to pin blame of the nazis when there is no proof, a true historian on the other hand will look into the history of ww2 and not blindly accept what is taught because a crying old lady said so.
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar Whose born after the fall of the USSR? Not me? Remember bomb shelters as a kid, The cuba crisis. Also, received a comment from someone who lived in Nazi germany as a child. He agreed with me about Hitler bombing Freiburg to blame the allies. He said that his grandfathers would whisper about it. For speaking of it meant certain death."Deutsche Flieger bombardierten Freiburg 1940 - Archiv des Forums für deutsche Geschichte"
Proof? If Hiler told you that he had jews killed you would deny !
jrwel14 1 year ago 6
@jrwel14 so now we are jumping onto other subjects. this german your talking about sounds like some guilti ridden blind idiot to is too busy apologizing to any jew he meets instead of taking some pride in his nations past. now did hitler bomb this city to blame the allies? no it was a mistake made by the luftwaffe. now you wish to talk about the holocaust? btw who declared war on who?
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar Unlike you and the born after the berlin wall nazis. He ACTUALLY lived through what you people seem to dream about. He and the South Baden State Chancellery are just stating facts. Facts that those like you want to ignore. But, while you can deny or ignore history. You can't change it. No one can. Hitler didn't need to declare war on anybody. HE JUST INVADED. That's the easy way out. He blamed the allies so he could justify bombing open cities. Because at first he said he wouldn't
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 so your saying hitler did not declare war correct?
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar Whether this side declared war or that side. All Hitler had to do was INVADE whether war was declared or not.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@ssszar The question shoud be who invaded who first. Germany was the first to invade. So the allies declared war. Just like Japan attacked Pearl harbor BEFORE there was a war with the states. So, the US declared war on Japan. Germany and Japan created WW2 by their actions by attacking others.
jrwel14 1 year ago 2
@jrwel14 stop changing subjects, now as to who invaded who first, german invaded poland to cease territory stolen from german after ww1, the masionic allies then decided to no mind their own business
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar Who is changing subjects. Invading a country is more of a declaration of war than a verbal or written act. Germany invaded Poland, then what about all the other European countries, Russia , Africa.
jrwel14 1 year ago 2
@jrwel14 now we are changing the subject to russia and africa, so now that you dont want to admit that france and england were the ones who did not want to mind their own business at attacked germany for taking back land that was stolen by the allies and poland after ww1, now we are going to talk about africa, which was controlled by england, and stood in the way of germany taking the suez canal to attack russian from underneath, btw look up the free arabian korps
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar My point is obvious. You said that England declared war on Germany. And, that germany attacked Poland. I said why would germany declare war on anybody. When they could just invade the country instead. sounds like a dirty system to me. And, Poland. Germany invaded Poland to get the land back. Well, then why invade Russia, Czechosovakia, France, and every other country in Europe. Were those countries a part of germany, too. Doubt it. Germany just wanted a third reich of global domination.
jrwel14 1 year ago 2
@jrwel14 since when does a declaration of war justify a war? who has the usa declared war on that gave them the right to invade all these other nations? you do not need a declaration of war to justify military action. in the case of czechosovakia, the invasion too place because the sudetenland saught independence and an allience with nazi germany. in the case of france,france decalred war on germany. and as for russia, dont know dont care, communism is evil.
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar As in what gave Germany the right to invade all those other nations. We don't want the Nazis viewpoint. For, that is one where they think they can attack anyone. We have only mentioned a few of the European countries that Germany attacked. There's Scandinavia, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Hungary, others. Sure sounds like trying to control a large part of the world, doesn't it. I know people like you think of Hitler as a perfect angel. Maybe as the tooth fairy.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 what gave them the right was taking back land that once belonged to german or in other cases aided a fellow ally of germany. "sounds like trying to control a large part of the world" except thats not what they were doing. the fact is europe backed germany during the war because they say the evil of communism.
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar Once again, since germany attacked all of Europe, Guess Hitler felt that Europe belonged to him. And, "Europe backed Germany" So, that's why he attacked all those countries. They were his allies and he bombed their cities, attacked their armies out of friendship. You people are so hipocritical. You try to make the world conform to your way of thinking. Ask the people of many of those countries who survived the war. Ask, them if they backed Germany. Look up Oradour-Sur-Glane, Distomo.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 really when did he attack romania and spain, italy and hungary? you seem to think of ww2 as being one giant singular event and not the series of events that it was. yes the axis had volunteers from more nations on earth than the allies ever had, the fact remains it was the french and the masons in england that started this war, it was not nationalist germany.
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar You sound so neo-nazis. Hitler would be proud. Hitler started the war by invadeing countries. Also, if Hitler was so great, why did many germans want him dead? You seem to think that all of the wrongs were done by the allies. And, Germany were perfect angels with the tooth fairy as their leader!
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 no england and france decided to start the war not germany, and the same can be said about you and the allies, you seem to think they were the "perfect angels"
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar Never said that the allies were perfect. But, you and others act like the nazis were victimized by the whole world. Bomb a germn city-War Crime!Bomb an Allied city, justified. Germany bomb rotterdam, accident. Allies bomb Rotterdam, Warcrime! Never heard any one like you admit to JUST ONE item that the Germans did wrong! It's always the allies. And, you are from New Mexico. Not Germany
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 where i am from is not important right now, the fact is, it was churchhills warmongering that started ww2 not hitler taking back land that belonged to germany. did the germany do some bad things, in war ever faction does something bad, however the lies that are told about germany are pure propaganda and nonsense. its people like you who dont want to admit the allies were war criminals, but they won so i guess its ok right?
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar So, Germany taking back land that belonged to them. That's how many Mexicans feel about taking back New Mexico. So, It look s as if you feel that Mexico should do just that. Never said that any side was perfect. But, you people feel that the nazis were. That Hitler was the tooth fairy. And, the SS were the Easter Bunny. So, continue with your collecting Nazis bubble gum cards and goiing to neo-nazis bake sells.
jrwel14 1 year ago 2
@ssszar Noticed that I have been having a discssion with a born after the Berlin wall nazis! No wonder the viewpoints are so mixed up! Gets, it from playing so many war games!
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 if whats what you have to tell yourself. the fact is england and france started ww2 not germany
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar Still say that since you feel that germany had the right to invade Poland. To reclaim "Land that belonged to them" That, you feel Mexico should do the same to New Mexico!
jrwel14 1 year ago 2
@jrwel14 I still say that because it is the truth, as for my political beliefs on my homeland, those are not relevant to this topic, but i dont see new mexico has to belong to either, i dotn see why we shouldnt be our own independent nation.
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar New mexico has everything to do with your comment about Poland belonged to Germany. New Mexico was a part of Mexico at one time. So, by your standards. If, Germany could take back it's land in Poland. Then, Mexico should have the same right to reclaim New Mexico. Unless you are a typical hippocritical Nazi. The ,"Do as I say, not as I do." mentality.
jrwel14 1 year ago 2
@jrwel14 actually mexico has every right to new mexico, Idealy New Mexican culture being part unique and different from mexican cultre, should be its own nation But again new mexican-mexican-american politics and history have nothing to do with this video
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar It has EVERYTHING to do with your comment about Germany taking back their land in Poland. Throughout history, Countries lose and gain land from wars and purchases. Remember the Louisianna Purchase? A piece of land is never set in stone for one country. If, it did, the world's boundaries would have stayed the same since ancient times.
jrwel14 1 year ago 2
@jrwel14 stop changing the subject, the louisiana purchase has nothing to do with this video, which by the way was a valid land sale, unlike what happened to germany territory after ww2, the poles didnt buy the land from germany, it was given to poland by france after ww1, stop chaning the subject, the english warmongering is what caused ww2, the allies commited war crimes, deal with it
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar Who is changing the subject? You stated that Germany had the right to the land. Are you being hippocritical? What applies to this instance, doen'st apply to others. Sure sounds hippocritical to me! If, France gave the land to the Poles. France sold the land to the United States. Same thing! Germany commited warcrimes. We all know it. Except for a few bigoted neo-nazis.
jrwel14 1 year ago 4
@jrwel14 im not the one who brought up the louisiana purchase, in regards to that, that was french land they could do with what they wanted, german land did not belong to france and therefor had no right to give anything of to poland, so hilter said to hell with tht we are taking back what is ours, now drop this subject because the fact is, england and france started ww2
ssszar 1 year ago
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@ssszar But, you brought up the fact that Germany invaded Poland to take back "their" land. But, if you look at maps for several hundred years. You would, "if you had an open mind" realize that nations boundaries are always changeing. Unless you feel that only germany has rights to certain land. But, other countries are up for grabs. Still say that They declared war on Germany because Germany invaded others countries.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@ssszar But, you brought up the fact that Germany invaded Poland to "take back their land" A nations boundaries are always changeing. So maybe by your standards, only Germany has the rights to certain land. And, every other countries boundaries are up for grabs.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 yes borders do change however that does not in anyway excuse what france did after ww1, that was german land belonging to german people with german people still livign there, that land was geramnys not polands, the fact of the mattter is england and france started ww2
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar So, how did France obtain the land? By playing 7 card stud? Or, by the fortunes of war. Still say that with you stateing that germany took back their land. Then, maybe Mexico should take back New Mexico. No, am not mexican. Just useing your standards.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@ssszar Question, did germany ever give back the land of Alsace-Lorraine that Germany striped from France after the Franco- Prussian war of 1871? If, not. Then how dare the germans keep the land that belong to France!
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 first off that area has nothing to do with this video, secondly the french and geramans have been fighting over that area for centuries, before the french had it it was german, and before that it was french, so on and so on, the fact is england and france, mainly england, started ww2
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar Your commentary about Germany,"taking back the land" has nothing to do with this video, either. So, you commenting about that subject is okay. But, not mine.Sounds very familiar.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 yes it does, you said germany was evil they started the war, i said no they didnt, you said they why did they invade, and then i told you why, again what does new mexico, mexico, american polticts and the louisiana purchase have to do with this video, see my comment relates to ww2 and this video, yours do not, and the fact is germany did not start this war
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar For the 100th time! You said that Germany invaded Poland to take back land that "belonged" to them. So, I said as many Mexicans want to take back New Mexico. Then, I said that throughout history. Countries have aquired land through purchasing and the spoils of war. So, you started it, not me. Guess someone who only thinks the world is one sided, can't see it! But, from someone who thinks that invadeing a country is not starting something. It's no wonder. You think so much like a nazis.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 the invasion of poland did start something, a war between poland and germany, it was not the business of france or england, the fact is the allies declared war on germany, not the other way around, englands free masons were the ones who started that war, they are the ones responsible for these war crimes , you cannot seem to accept that. instead you bring up mexico,
ssszar 1 year ago
@jrwel14 and if i think like the nazis then good
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar Just comment how many mexicans think as you do. They want to take back what they perceive to be as "their land" There can't be one set of rules for Germany. And another set for everyone else.The Hitler Jugend was taught long before World War 2 to learn how to fight as soldiers. Guess Hitler planned for war long before it started.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 first off, mexico has every right to claim ownership of this area, secondly that has nothing to do with this video, the hitler youth was a great organization designed to raise the future leaders of germany, once you understand what a fascist society, of respect for your fellow citizen and a comradeship that is shared within the nation state. that was the purpose of the hitler youth, look at the sad state of the youth in the west today,though when you see the parents,its no suprise
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar The hitler youth were taught to turn in their parents if they made 1 comment against the Nazis goverment. JUst stated that since Hitler had the youth be trained to fight a war,. Long BEFORE World War 2. THen, maybe he wanted a war long before it even happened. Hope you start learning Spainish! You say your homeland is New Mexico. But, you sound like a 100% World war 2 Nazis in germany. Would you turn in your parents?
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 I already know spanish, there were 50,000 thousand spanish volunteers in the german military by the way/ but why would turning in their parents if there were against the government be a bad thing? wouldnt you turn in your parents if they were planning a terrorist attack against the government? And of course you would never be able to prove hitler wanted war forever. you seem to have a very american view of what national socialism is.
ssszar 1 year ago
@jrwel14 again the hitler youth was trainng for the future of german society and government, again the hitler youth has nothing to do with this video. thats a fact and what is also a fact is that hitler did not start ww2
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar So, you would turn in your parents if you had lived in Nazi germany. It figures. Just stated that since you are obessed with Hitler not starting WW2. Just made the comment that by teaching the german kids how to fight years BEFORE the war started. That, maybe Hitler wanted a World war. Why would turning in your parents not be a bad thing? It depends what kind of government they lived under. Think of WW2 Russia.Just have a worldwide view of what Nazi germany was.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 Yes, I would turn them in, if your family or friends were doing the same thing, why wouldnt you. I guess since you think the nazis were bad, and that fascism to you is bad, then its ok for terrorists to act against that bad government right? ofcourse the only way you know the nazis were bad, is becasse someone told you so, and your too lazy to research the truth of the matter. if hitler wanted a world war why didnt he declare war on england and france at the time he invaded poland?
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar You have a warped sense of the nazis. BUt, since you were born in the mid 80s It's understandable. What happened then was so far removed from your world. That, you learned very little about it. I know the nazis were bad. Know about the killing squads, the camps, etc. You learned from movies, war games and from people who have the same warped ideals as you do. Many Germans even tried to kill Hitler. They knew what he was doing to their country.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 No, everything i learned initialy about the nazis, came form american textbooks, that continued the lies that have been going on for all these years, i have no idea where your getting video games from, my knowledge of the nazis does not come from videogames any more than yours comes from tarantino films, Many germans tried to kill hitler? or was it a handful of careerists who were only interested in their own private gain?
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar why would you think that they were made up of lies? funny how some think that the comments about evil doings about the nazis are all lies. but, oh, how they believe the "evil"doings of the allies! As, if they had a predeterminded ideal before hand.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 well because there is proof of what the allies did, and there is not proof of the "holocaust"
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar Forgot to add that those who tried to kill Hitler were Germans who didn't like what he was doing to their country. Many wanted to surrender ,but he did not. Also, they didn't like the dictatorship, putting people in jail for no reason,etc, that he brought to their country. Not all germans were or wanted to be Nazis.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 yes but those that tried to kill him were very few in number, hell i think less than 100 there were other germans who were critical of him but they did not try to kill him or were thrown in jail. throwing people in jail for no reason is not evidence the nazis were evil, look at all the people who are thrown in jail for no reason, even today in this country, no not all germans wanted to be nazis or were proud to be german, but most of them left german before ww2
ssszar 1 year ago
@jrwel14 as for the hitler youth, again, nothing to do with the video, but the fact is the hitler youth was an organization to educate the future leadership of german society, the values of a national socialist state, in a fascist state societies needs come before the needs of the individual,, and the hitler youth taught service to the state, though to a capitalist that must be hard to imagine.
ssszar 1 year ago
@ssszar So, the Hitler Jugend were like similair groups in communists Russia. Amazing how 2 enemies are so much alike!
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 yes we are both socialist states, big shock there wow was a revelation.
ssszar 1 year ago