@sam77755 They are required for Commercial Pilot license in US. I haven't flown in about 6 months. can't wait to get back in the seat. I'm gonna go for Commercial license
Are they fun? That is probably my only question. Are they Fun>
Spins are tons of fun... When done safely of course (just in case transport Canada sees this post I will add the safety bit). An accelerated flat spin would be interesting.
In some fighters like the F-4 Phantom,recovering from a spin is very difficult.Because sometimes,if you get into a spin with a fighter the engines also stall.They cant suck air into the combustion engine.And that means you cant add more thrust any more.It happened a few times and mostly they crashed.But with a Cessna it is quite easy.
I also took a few lessons and we made it a few times=)
I was a required for PPL in Canada in '80s. Now, it's only for Commercial; the pilot has to do a regular spin and it's also possible to have to get out of one while the instrument section of the same flight test.
i'd like to be a pilot but reddit taught me that its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than being in the air and wishing you were back on the ground
I have recently started flight training at the age of 51. And am slowly working toward my private license.
I served four years of my life on the flight deck of a carrier, many years ago. I also have a PhD in Physics. What I see in this video, is a very "outstanding pilot" (possibly a well trained fighter pilot) showing what it takes to really "spin" a Cessna 172. He first pulls out carb heat, then sets mixture to rich, checks for flaps "up", and then puts his hand on throttle.
@barsoapdish He then checks for "clear space below" by rocking his wings.
Then he puts this airplane into a "spin", fatser than I have ever seen. He also continues the spin FAR MORE turns than most pilots would be comfortable. Then perfectly "recovers" from the spin.
Dude that would be scary as shit, imagine if you are in a plane with you best friend who is flying the pilot and all of a sudden he does this!!!!!!!!!!
Please be advised that Airworthiness Directive 2009-10-09R1 prohibits intentional spins in Cessna Models 150F through 150M and all 152s unless a rudder stop modification kit is installed! The FAA is watching Youtube!
Lol you might want to edit the description people might get the wrong idea and think you actually turned the engine off. As well you don't experiance any 0 G. It's a 1 G maneuver until you pull out of the dive.
No mate,the n° of spins or turn around the axle is not important. The way you recover it is way more important in terms of metal stress,because the wings have a lot of stress to manage due to the G forces.
when the plane dropped, what should we do with the aileron, leave it steady or move it to any direction, and should it be shallow or steep turns when nose down to spin..??
Neutralize ailerons immediately and don't touch them until full recovery will be established. Don't roll the plane, if you don't want to aggravate your stall.
When your nose is down, there are no turns, but corkscrew rotation only.
@TESTASPEEDER That's correct, but you do want some down elevator to help you break your spin, in that case you'd need to push the yoke forward slightly
The difference is that a spin is not "flying" pattern, one wing is stalled, the other isn't.
A spiraldive is a flowing patern, both wings have lift and you flying in a fast down spiral, this is also dangerous because if the speed is to high the aircraft can overstress
@biggestMetallicAfan In a sense your both correct. Yes both wings are stalled however the reason the spin occurs is because there is a difference between the stalled state of the two wings meaning one is "more stalled" than the other in simple terms. This can be caused by rudder input which in a sense "hides" one wing from any remaining airflow this causes that wing to drop dramatically.
@biggestMetallicAfan But the very cause of a spin is the fact that one wing stalls before the other... Even though they'll both be stalled pretty quickly, it wouldn't be a spin if it wasn't for the moment where they are not both stalled... I'm fresh out of ground school, so this stuff is still fresh in my mind. =P
@zeph0shade That's pretty good man, you studied a lot I can see.
I will say it this way, more understandable to a fresh aviator mind. In a spin, one or both wings are in a stalled condition, if both are stalled one wing will be in a deeper stall condition than the other. This causes the aircraft to autorotate towards the deeper-stalled wing due to its higher drag. That is indeed a spin stall, and this is also how a sober person would explain it, unlike my last post lol.
@zeph0shade or you were taught wrong, no offense. There are a lot of bad instructors out there who will just say something to avoid telling you that they dont know.
Also, an airplane CANNOT spin unless BOTH WINGS ARE STALLED, so if your stall is coordinated both should stall at the same time and the only real recognition of a stall would be a descent on the VSI and ALT. I disagree that an airplane spins due to the timing of each wings stall. Im a CFII and I teach spins, just saying...
@RandySRT Well, maybe I was just misinterpreting... I'll have to bring it up with my instructor on my next lesson. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about though, he's got quite a lot of years dedicated to aviation.
If they are talking about CFI training then the FAA does in fact require spinning, I'm guessing the poster is not the pilot and may have confused the certificate sought.
If you knew what you were talking about you would know that spins aren't required for any other certificate other than your CFI. If your not doing spins for the purpose of becoming a CFI then you need a parachute. As I can clearly see you both don't have one on, you are breaking a FAR. Second, i'm guessing that you are in a Normal Category aircraft, which has been tested to withstand 1 rotation, you did several, so congratulations, you are a new Test Pilot! Without a parachute!
If you knew what you were talking about you would know that spins aren't required for any other certificate other than your CFI. If your not doing spins for the purpose of becoming a CFI then you need a parachute. As I can clearly see you both don't have one on, you are breaking a FAR. Second, i'm guessing that you are in a Normal Category aircraft, which has been tested to withstand 1 rotation, you did several, so congratulations, you are a new Test Pilot! Without a parachute!
@gsamvelian What country requires the performance of spins for any rating other than the initial SE CFI? I'm a flight instructor in the US and we don't require this for any pilot ratings; only instructor. There is a section in the PTS for spin awareness but it does not require you to perform them.
Robert CF11, You mention spin training is part of the commercial syllabus, which commercial syllabus are you referring to as its certainly not in the FAA commercial training practical test standards??
sigh....a fairly recent AD brought on by a few accidents has made the maneuver prohibited without getting mods to the rudder travel stop assembly...Seems as though if you push too hard on the rudder during the recovery process it can become jammed and also restrict elevator movement...
Crazy xD my question is what about the cg's force? in a 152 more of 3 turns u'll have 3 cg and? wouldn't make impossible to recover the spin? i mean to break the spiral dive...the video show me that it can do but wouldnt a risk for the desing or the structer? thanks =)
A Spin and a Spiral Dive are two very different things. And what do you mean CG's force? If you mean G Force, they can vary, but its normally -1 to just under 1 G.
@theflyingkid1 It used to be required for PPL, but now its only required for commercial pilots.
That doesn't mean the instructor won't cover it at all. If he/she is worth a damn as an instructor, at the every minimum they will make sure you know what to do if you enter a spin.
@theflyingkid1 in the us, spin training is only required for cfi students. but although the training is only required for cfi, anyone who pilots an airplane should be aware of how they develop and what to do to prevent them or exit them.
@snoopyloopy it is only required by a CFI if they want to teach spins in an aircraft, otherwise you do not need it, though i highly recommend doing a few spins during private training, as you said. But you do not actually need to spin to be a CFI. If you do, you will receive an endorsement stating that you can teach them.
you dont need a engine going to recover from the spin, as in the case with some aircraft that are carburetor, the lateral 'g' of the spin will cause the engine to flood or stop. which then an air start is required other wise your just a heavy glider
Because as a certified flight instructor I would consider it mal-practice to shut off an engine in flight. I'm sure the FAA would agree too; suspending the instructor certificate of any instructor who tried such foolishness.
I've spun a lot of planes but I've never had one stop running during the spin. Maybe some do but that's different from shutting the engine down.
In anycase, the video description is totally incorrect and does not reflect the PTS for a commercial certificate
They do not shut down the engine, they reduce the throttle which is normal practce for any power off stall maneuvres. I hope this helps you to understand.
The description for this video is completely wrong. The correct definition of a spin is:
"A spin is an aggravated stall, in which one wing is more stalled than the other, resulting in a descending autorotation about a vertical axis, in the direction of the more-stalled wing"
Also, I hope the 'passenger' was a flight instructor. If he was not an instructor, then the maneuver was illegal since parachutes are required UNLESS the spin was done as instruction for a certificate which requires it.
Thanks for clarifying this, now I know to never do a spin for a passenger. I never go up with parachutes, don't do aerobatic maneauvers. Other than practice stalls and steep turns that are within FAA requirements no more than +/-30 degrees attitude and bank no more than 60 Degrees.
In the info box for this video it says the engine is turned off... that is both wrong and would be very stupid. Engine is brought to idle as roll exceeds 90° and it remains at idle until recovery.
in canada, spins (incipient) and spiral dives are part of private pilot training; i had mine a few months back - it is very interesting; you do it over and over and over until you get it right ;)
WHy did you pull carb heat? My guess is that it was because you went to a low power setting? I am in training now, but have not stalled or spun.. thanks.
That's right! Allways when setting low power settings (out of green RPM arc) carb heat is used for safety. When you practice stalls or engine failures you will also use carb heat.
By the way if you have Canadian Commercial License you can get the equivalence from FAA and vise-versa because both contries have very similar training programs.
There is no such thing as a 'certified' flight instructor. The correct term is 'Certificated' Flight Instructor (as in, one who holds a 'certificate').
For that matter, there is no such thing as a 'pilot's license' in the US. The FAA uses the term 'certificate' instead of 'license'.
Lazy eights arn't required and we actually never practice it, il looks simple as excercise but I've heard it's not that easy to perform, I'd like to try once. Neither are chandells:)
Really? when I got my PPL and Gliders in 99 and 98 we had to do a full spin and recover after 3 revolutions, and had to demonstrate a recovery from a spiral
nah, spin is nothing dangerous if you have well trained instructor. believe me, spins in blahnik are litlle bit scary but there is no reason to be afraid. there are very small forces in spin to make an aircraft unsafe to fly
Agreed. Spins look alot worse than they really are. And very safe as long as they are done correctly. Cessna 152's will almost recover themselves if you just let go of the controls too. Don't have to be terribly proactive on the controls to get out of it.
Wow, you could NOT pay me to do that! It makes me queezy just to know when I start my commercial I'll have to actually do spins, stalls are bad enough! You have balls in my book.
The standard procedure is to bring engine to idle if it's not on idle, apply complete apposite radder, pull the yok completely back and keep the elerons neutral. The aircraft stopps spinning, and raises the nose (pith up). The last step to recover is apply enough power (usally full throttle) when the speed is not to high, and finally level up. Basically this is it:)
Generally, the standard technique for recovery is PARE: Power to idle; Ailerons to neutral; Rudder, full opposite; Elevator, forward to break the stall. It's important to do it in the proper order. Once you've done this, gently pull out of the dive and add power to get back to a normal cruise configuration.
@daverichards115, also not that in most a/c elevator neutral will be sufficient, you dont want to be in an unrecognised inverted spin and check forward, it will confuse u and you WILL crash
if there was youd most likely find it on the pre flight insepction, spins do not cause heavy g loads so they are not that dangerous if preformed properly, just make sure you stay out of a spirall dive
was that ur friend last part? I started laughting by looking at his face lol. I have another question for you. During Maneuver if the engine fails, would you able to return back level flight? in my view, I reckon the plane wont gain more claim lol
hahah. You know my head starting spining here after finised watching this video and dont know how I will feel in real lol. Goodluck with further piloting
wowo, nice man. I am starting PPL next year. Now you ready scared me by loooking at ur spin video lol. And could you give me how it feels being a pilot and feelings u had when u starting ur training? also learning to fly complicated. Thanks in advance
He mentioned that the engine was turned off. No it was brought to an idle. Not turned off.
Hawk6DM 3 months ago
They don't require spins for private pilot certificate only awareness of what causes them.
James7206 4 months ago
@James7206 Here in Canada Spins are required for PPL.
sam77755 2 weeks ago
@sam77755 They are required for Commercial Pilot license in US. I haven't flown in about 6 months. can't wait to get back in the seat. I'm gonna go for Commercial license
Are they fun? That is probably my only question. Are they Fun>
James7206 2 weeks ago
whats the chances of the wings breaking off when doing this maneuver ?
TheFlightLog 4 months ago
@TheFlightLog None, the wings are mostly stalled, therefore there is no wing loading. Therefore no chance of them breaking
Hawk6DM 3 months ago
Spins are tons of fun... When done safely of course (just in case transport Canada sees this post I will add the safety bit). An accelerated flat spin would be interesting.
rayraychapman 4 months ago
Impressive!
fortress1133 6 months ago
nicely done
snorkle111 7 months ago
im amazed it didnt spin to the right with that passenger lol
najuad 7 months ago
1hr dual to get up to 7000 feet, 30 secs to get back down !
najuad 7 months ago
I thought you'd never recover from that spin.
rodrigogalindez 8 months ago
@rodrigogalindez
In some fighters like the F-4 Phantom,recovering from a spin is very difficult.Because sometimes,if you get into a spin with a fighter the engines also stall.They cant suck air into the combustion engine.And that means you cant add more thrust any more.It happened a few times and mostly they crashed.But with a Cessna it is quite easy.
I also took a few lessons and we made it a few times=)
BlackFoxFalcon 7 months ago
Pretty Violent spin
BlazingPuppies 8 months ago
@BlazingPuppies You should see a Katana spin. Those really get wound up tight.
da40flyer1 6 months ago
I can't wait but at the same time dread to have to do this
neillypilot 8 months ago
THAT'S ONE HELL OF A SPIN! How did you make it spin that fast?
kylemontanaro 8 months ago
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zeph0shade 9 months ago
I was a required for PPL in Canada in '80s. Now, it's only for Commercial; the pilot has to do a regular spin and it's also possible to have to get out of one while the instrument section of the same flight test.
Marieflyver 10 months ago
hm, pretty high rotation rate! did that cause a lot of g at the seat? - soaring pilot here, no experience on stinky planes ;-)
Fnordicus 1 year ago
i'd like to be a pilot but reddit taught me that its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than being in the air and wishing you were back on the ground
frostytheaussie 1 year ago
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Pikamander2 1 year ago
Today I learned that my childhood dream of flying will forever remain that: a dream.
perdici0n 1 year ago
@perdici0n why?
cen0322 1 year ago
CFI - Certificated Flight Instructor...Look it up!!
jbmerrel 1 year ago
lol jesus man how did u not exceed the VA, you spun about 10 times
rumpastumpa 1 year ago
Omg weren't u scared? So if I want to become an airline pilot, im gona have to do that!!??
SJ9495 1 year ago
I have recently started flight training at the age of 51. And am slowly working toward my private license.
I served four years of my life on the flight deck of a carrier, many years ago. I also have a PhD in Physics. What I see in this video, is a very "outstanding pilot" (possibly a well trained fighter pilot) showing what it takes to really "spin" a Cessna 172. He first pulls out carb heat, then sets mixture to rich, checks for flaps "up", and then puts his hand on throttle.
barsoapdish 1 year ago
@barsoapdish He then checks for "clear space below" by rocking his wings.
Then he puts this airplane into a "spin", fatser than I have ever seen. He also continues the spin FAR MORE turns than most pilots would be comfortable. Then perfectly "recovers" from the spin.
barsoapdish 1 year ago
hey i start my PPL in january , what do you learn while you make the PPL, i passed the theory , but why you fly , you train emergency's?
cus i heard here in germany you have to land in an small town on an street and takeoff again from that street, to train engienfail , or emergencyhelp
kenan49 1 year ago
Why did it take so long to recover???
POPJack1717 1 year ago
informative video.thanx
sid77777 1 year ago
Thats alot of fucking spins man!!! Usually for training we do either just an incipient or no more than 3! Looks like you did 10!
Chrisbattel 1 year ago
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Ricardoafa 1 year ago
Fix your description, it's incredibly inaccurate and sounds retarded.
jon4594 1 year ago
Dude that would be scary as shit, imagine if you are in a plane with you best friend who is flying the pilot and all of a sudden he does this!!!!!!!!!!
bronsdog 1 year ago
Awesome he really let that one spin for a while and no one said that was cool or anything after they pulled out
f14enthusiast 1 year ago
haha...... wheeeeeee
mrdistraction 1 year ago
Daaaaamnnnn...That was a no-kidding spin. Well done.
HHSFHarry 1 year ago
Please be advised that Airworthiness Directive 2009-10-09R1 prohibits intentional spins in Cessna Models 150F through 150M and all 152s unless a rudder stop modification kit is installed! The FAA is watching Youtube!
daytenmillion 1 year ago
@daytenmillion
It's a Canadian pilot and aircraft.
555reasons 1 year ago
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daytenmillion 1 year ago
spins... easy... kick opposite rudder and pull out of the dive when you stop rotating... next...
MysticKnight38 1 year ago
@MysticKnight38 Wrong...
jon4594 1 year ago
@MysticKnight38 then accelerated stall lmfao
gilz16 1 year ago
@MysticKnight38 opposite rudder throttle idle aileron neutral and elevators forward
andriHv 1 year ago
good spin and recovery dude.
shivrajvishnu 1 year ago
Insane!! What was your rate of decent??
Twoangrymen 1 year ago
Haha ok good to know that others notice that he put engine turned off. He definitely means idle.
Warhawk666 1 year ago
Lol you might want to edit the description people might get the wrong idea and think you actually turned the engine off. As well you don't experiance any 0 G. It's a 1 G maneuver until you pull out of the dive.
FlyC152 1 year ago
I counted 7,5 revolutions during this spin. It's too much for this type of plane, isn't it?
Gogona74 2 years ago
@Gogona74 nope.
navyocs 2 years ago
No mate,the n° of spins or turn around the axle is not important. The way you recover it is way more important in terms of metal stress,because the wings have a lot of stress to manage due to the G forces.
TESTASPEEDER 1 year ago
when the plane dropped, what should we do with the aileron, leave it steady or move it to any direction, and should it be shallow or steep turns when nose down to spin..??
maulelo 2 years ago
Neutralize ailerons immediately and don't touch them until full recovery will be established. Don't roll the plane, if you don't want to aggravate your stall.
When your nose is down, there are no turns, but corkscrew rotation only.
Gogona74 2 years ago
@maulelo Stick forward to break the stall, ailerons neutral and opposite rudder.
The rudder is the key surface to recovery and why it is so crucial to properly load your aircraft .
tylerb59 2 years ago
Never touch the flight yoke in a spin,always recover with the rudder,never with the ailerons.
TESTASPEEDER 1 year ago
@TESTASPEEDER That's correct, but you do want some down elevator to help you break your spin, in that case you'd need to push the yoke forward slightly
jkiang 1 year ago
that was cool
meburk2 2 years ago
Wicked spin dude!!
Fuhrer101 2 years ago
Freaken aye! And the camera man held the cam surprisingly stable too! :D Wicked vid bud, nice spin and recovery too.
KiwiIngenuity1 2 years ago
@dj1993aero :
The difference is that a spin is not "flying" pattern, one wing is stalled, the other isn't.
A spiraldive is a flowing patern, both wings have lift and you flying in a fast down spiral, this is also dangerous because if the speed is to high the aircraft can overstress
michielspaan 2 years ago
No...wrong, in a spin BOTH wings are stalled, not just one, and to even achieve a spin the whole plane must be stalled.
biggestMetallicAfan 2 years ago 15
@biggestMetallicAfan In a sense your both correct. Yes both wings are stalled however the reason the spin occurs is because there is a difference between the stalled state of the two wings meaning one is "more stalled" than the other in simple terms. This can be caused by rudder input which in a sense "hides" one wing from any remaining airflow this causes that wing to drop dramatically.
PhantomBadass 2 years ago
Yes that's exactly were i was going.
biggestMetallicAfan 2 years ago
@biggestMetallicAfan Are you even a pilot? Because that doesn't make much sense to me at all...
zeph0shade 9 months ago
@zeph0shade In my defense i was drinking when posted this, so it's expected to not be understandable.
And second anyone who has their license would know what I am trying to say.
biggestMetallicAfan 9 months ago
@biggestMetallicAfan But the very cause of a spin is the fact that one wing stalls before the other... Even though they'll both be stalled pretty quickly, it wouldn't be a spin if it wasn't for the moment where they are not both stalled... I'm fresh out of ground school, so this stuff is still fresh in my mind. =P
zeph0shade 9 months ago
@zeph0shade That's pretty good man, you studied a lot I can see.
I will say it this way, more understandable to a fresh aviator mind. In a spin, one or both wings are in a stalled condition, if both are stalled one wing will be in a deeper stall condition than the other. This causes the aircraft to autorotate towards the deeper-stalled wing due to its higher drag. That is indeed a spin stall, and this is also how a sober person would explain it, unlike my last post lol.
biggestMetallicAfan 9 months ago
@zeph0shade or you were taught wrong, no offense. There are a lot of bad instructors out there who will just say something to avoid telling you that they dont know.
Also, an airplane CANNOT spin unless BOTH WINGS ARE STALLED, so if your stall is coordinated both should stall at the same time and the only real recognition of a stall would be a descent on the VSI and ALT. I disagree that an airplane spins due to the timing of each wings stall. Im a CFII and I teach spins, just saying...
RandySRT 9 months ago
@RandySRT Well, maybe I was just misinterpreting... I'll have to bring it up with my instructor on my next lesson. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about though, he's got quite a lot of years dedicated to aviation.
zeph0shade 9 months ago
@zeph0shade No problem, this is a very common misunderstanding. I would definitely ask your main instructor for a good explanation.
RandySRT 9 months ago
@zeph0shade He's correct. Both wings are stalled in a spin.
CincoSnare76 9 months ago
Damn fine spin son.
3593893 2 years ago
Sick spin man. Nice work
fxdwings 2 years ago
uff. that was scary, isnt it?
furbyunicejafisher 2 years ago
can you plz explain what a spin is
I still don't get the difference between a spin and a spiral dive, you're going down straight in both events aren't you?
plz reply
thanks
dj1993aero 2 years ago
Have to spin for a Canadian private and commercial license.
maverick812254 2 years ago
If they are talking about CFI training then the FAA does in fact require spinning, I'm guessing the poster is not the pilot and may have confused the certificate sought.
111jollyroger111 2 years ago 2
The poster is the pilot actually ;) this is me!
this is for commercial license.
gsamvelian 2 years ago
If you knew what you were talking about you would know that spins aren't required for any other certificate other than your CFI. If your not doing spins for the purpose of becoming a CFI then you need a parachute. As I can clearly see you both don't have one on, you are breaking a FAR. Second, i'm guessing that you are in a Normal Category aircraft, which has been tested to withstand 1 rotation, you did several, so congratulations, you are a new Test Pilot! Without a parachute!
brandongarrett100 1 year ago
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If you knew what you were talking about you would know that spins aren't required for any other certificate other than your CFI. If your not doing spins for the purpose of becoming a CFI then you need a parachute. As I can clearly see you both don't have one on, you are breaking a FAR. Second, i'm guessing that you are in a Normal Category aircraft, which has been tested to withstand 1 rotation, you did several, so congratulations, you are a new Test Pilot! Without a parachute!
brandongarrett100 1 year ago
@gsamvelian What country requires the performance of spins for any rating other than the initial SE CFI? I'm a flight instructor in the US and we don't require this for any pilot ratings; only instructor. There is a section in the PTS for spin awareness but it does not require you to perform them.
RobertGary1 1 year ago
@RobertGary1 Check out your northern neighbour, In Canada Private Pilot required spins.
I spent quite a few hours doing them in a C-152 during my training in the 80's
MichaelPMc 1 year ago
@RobertGary1 Check out your northern neighbour, In Canada Private Pilot required spins.
I spent quite a few hours doing them in a C-152 during my training in the 80's
Good training and lots of fun, after a few you learn to recognize the start of them and how to stop or avoid them
MichaelPMc 1 year ago
Spin is not necessary
KristupitOo 6 months ago
Robert CF11, You mention spin training is part of the commercial syllabus, which commercial syllabus are you referring to as its certainly not in the FAA commercial training practical test standards??
debiassi 2 years ago
canada
movitmovit 2 years ago
this is aerobat? how many hourses have?
Hankzumi 2 years ago
sigh....a fairly recent AD brought on by a few accidents has made the maneuver prohibited without getting mods to the rudder travel stop assembly...Seems as though if you push too hard on the rudder during the recovery process it can become jammed and also restrict elevator movement...
masterchiefgtx 2 years ago
hello good spin mi good comercial pilot yu are very good
navajo414 2 years ago
i love spins! great video. soft landings
fcita 2 years ago
its for the CFI, not commercial, and its a cessna 152, and the engine is not turned off
iflyc77 2 years ago
Crazy xD my question is what about the cg's force? in a 152 more of 3 turns u'll have 3 cg and? wouldn't make impossible to recover the spin? i mean to break the spiral dive...the video show me that it can do but wouldnt a risk for the desing or the structer? thanks =)
8832684 2 years ago
A Spin and a Spiral Dive are two very different things. And what do you mean CG's force? If you mean G Force, they can vary, but its normally -1 to just under 1 G.
Dooobs 2 years ago
that was nice!!!!!
I'm student Pilot, I want an instructor like you. I wll try to make this spin whith engines off and overwheght for utility category.
efrainfortiz 2 years ago
Do you have to do spins during PPL training?
theflyingkid1 2 years ago 2
As far as I remember spin wasn't required when I was doing my commercial flight test but it was required for the private!
But if you spin the poor airplane that many times the instructor will rather kill you lol
gsamvelian 2 years ago 3
Spins are only required for the instructor certificate. Private pilots must be taugh "spin awareness".
-Robert, CFII
RobertGary1 2 years ago
@RobertGary1
Yup, that is what the Flight School just told me.
Apparently a lot of the accidents caused by going to into a spin were occurring during spin training.
jizzmonger 1 year ago
@theflyingkid1 It used to be required for PPL, but now its only required for commercial pilots.
That doesn't mean the instructor won't cover it at all. If he/she is worth a damn as an instructor, at the every minimum they will make sure you know what to do if you enter a spin.
rubber314chicken 1 year ago
@theflyingkid1
Hi, Im doing mine at the moment. It is not mandatory to do spin training for a PPL but you can opt to do it if you so wish!
crossessolonely 9 months ago
@theflyingkid1 in the us, spin training is only required for cfi students. but although the training is only required for cfi, anyone who pilots an airplane should be aware of how they develop and what to do to prevent them or exit them.
snoopyloopy 9 months ago
@snoopyloopy it is only required by a CFI if they want to teach spins in an aircraft, otherwise you do not need it, though i highly recommend doing a few spins during private training, as you said. But you do not actually need to spin to be a CFI. If you do, you will receive an endorsement stating that you can teach them.
RandySRT 9 months ago
Why does the description say the engine is turned off? What idiot would shut down the engine in a spin?
-Robert, CFII
RobertGary1 2 years ago
I think he meant to say "powered off". Only Bob Hoover gets away with actually turning off the engines.
Theriomalstrom 2 years ago
you dont need a engine going to recover from the spin, as in the case with some aircraft that are carburetor, the lateral 'g' of the spin will cause the engine to flood or stop. which then an air start is required other wise your just a heavy glider
cra1gpe 2 years ago
Because as a certified flight instructor I would consider it mal-practice to shut off an engine in flight. I'm sure the FAA would agree too; suspending the instructor certificate of any instructor who tried such foolishness.
I've spun a lot of planes but I've never had one stop running during the spin. Maybe some do but that's different from shutting the engine down.
In anycase, the video description is totally incorrect and does not reflect the PTS for a commercial certificate
-Robert, CFII
RobertGary1 2 years ago
what about gliders doing aerobatics and spinning.... is that foolishness
cra1gpe 2 years ago
They do not shut down the engine, they reduce the throttle which is normal practce for any power off stall maneuvres. I hope this helps you to understand.
debiassi 2 years ago
Huh?
-Robert, CFII
RobertGary1 2 years ago
@RobertGary1 maybe he means idled?
THExGOODxLIFE307 1 year ago
@RobertGary1 Haha my thoughts exactly. "You're doing it wrong."
SGadd87 1 year ago
The description for this video is completely wrong. The correct definition of a spin is:
"A spin is an aggravated stall, in which one wing is more stalled than the other, resulting in a descending autorotation about a vertical axis, in the direction of the more-stalled wing"
Also, I hope the 'passenger' was a flight instructor. If he was not an instructor, then the maneuver was illegal since parachutes are required UNLESS the spin was done as instruction for a certificate which requires it.
llaughridge 2 years ago
Thanks for clarifying this, now I know to never do a spin for a passenger. I never go up with parachutes, don't do aerobatic maneauvers. Other than practice stalls and steep turns that are within FAA requirements no more than +/-30 degrees attitude and bank no more than 60 Degrees.
jmitterii2 2 years ago
In the info box for this video it says the engine is turned off... that is both wrong and would be very stupid. Engine is brought to idle as roll exceeds 90° and it remains at idle until recovery.
cplandrew 2 years ago
you devil you
Vcast0912 2 years ago
Very nicely done!
gatorflight 2 years ago
3G nice! Good maneuver
CJ27 3 years ago
in canada, spins (incipient) and spiral dives are part of private pilot training; i had mine a few months back - it is very interesting; you do it over and over and over until you get it right ;)
catchMe72 3 years ago
okay recovery
Spanduer90 3 years ago
can you do a better one?
olsonr 2 years ago
you bet
Spanduer90 2 years ago
Well then, tell him how you'd improve it.
olsonr 2 years ago
it's about the feel of the plane, you gotta feel it. but here i dont know if he rolled so many times on porpuse or not... he did ok though
Spanduer90 2 years ago
WHy did you pull carb heat? My guess is that it was because you went to a low power setting? I am in training now, but have not stalled or spun.. thanks.
mopar92 3 years ago 2
That's right! Allways when setting low power settings (out of green RPM arc) carb heat is used for safety. When you practice stalls or engine failures you will also use carb heat.
DreamboyCAT 3 years ago 2
In USA stall/spin including abrupt and accelerated stalls are a required endorsement for the CFI rating as per 14CFR 61.183(i)(1)
Robabob1342 3 years ago
What is CFI ? is it Commercial License?
By the way if you have Canadian Commercial License you can get the equivalence from FAA and vise-versa because both contries have very similar training programs.
gsamvelian 3 years ago
CFI stands for Certified Flight Instructor
aviador1982 3 years ago
And ive met some where u would think it meant Complete Fucking Idiot....
thezorba1 2 years ago 6
There is no such thing as a 'certified' flight instructor. The correct term is 'Certificated' Flight Instructor (as in, one who holds a 'certificate').
For that matter, there is no such thing as a 'pilot's license' in the US. The FAA uses the term 'certificate' instead of 'license'.
llaughridge 2 years ago
@gsamvelian CFI is your certified instructor rating, we have them in Canada and it's a really good way to get hours before you join a commuter.
CA477544 1 year ago
@gsamvelian CFI stands for certified flight instructor
angryprometeus 1 year ago
@gsamvelian CFI = Certified Flight Instructor.
hyegolfer 1 year ago
They are not required in the US. Do you have to fly lazy eights and chandells?
jettaj 3 years ago
Lazy eights arn't required and we actually never practice it, il looks simple as excercise but I've heard it's not that easy to perform, I'd like to try once. Neither are chandells:)
gsamvelian 3 years ago
Spin are not part of Commercial Pilot Training.
jettaj 3 years ago
YES they ARE, at least in Canada! I just passed my commercial flight test and I was required to put the a/c in spin!
Spirals are not mandatory though.
gsamvelian 3 years ago
Really? when I got my PPL and Gliders in 99 and 98 we had to do a full spin and recover after 3 revolutions, and had to demonstrate a recovery from a spiral
seaniam81 2 years ago
nah, spin is nothing dangerous if you have well trained instructor. believe me, spins in blahnik are litlle bit scary but there is no reason to be afraid. there are very small forces in spin to make an aircraft unsafe to fly
A319CROATIA 3 years ago
Agreed. Spins look alot worse than they really are. And very safe as long as they are done correctly. Cessna 152's will almost recover themselves if you just let go of the controls too. Don't have to be terribly proactive on the controls to get out of it.
da40flyer 3 years ago
yes that is correct. spins are important in training to get any pilot licence. im sailplane pilot and i have more than 30 spins.
A319CROATIA 3 years ago
i have to do this for my PPL! and in my next flight too. I wasnt nervous until now
mastication 3 years ago
did u have ti do spins for a private pilot?
campagnolo2005 3 years ago
YEEAHH THAT'S A FUCKING SPIN BRO.....
MAXSOL69 3 years ago 2
Wow, you could NOT pay me to do that! It makes me queezy just to know when I start my commercial I'll have to actually do spins, stalls are bad enough! You have balls in my book.
ChasenSFO 3 years ago
Awesome!!! I am still working on my first license so it will be a while before I do spin training. But I love watching these videos.
bigkat07 3 years ago
hehe seems such spinning action doesn't impress the bored pilot at all .... wondering what he's doing if the cam is out ?! ;)
thompsonsworld 3 years ago
im in a commercial pilot program right now and have to do stalls and spins quite soon should be fun from the looks of it
TML931728 3 years ago
boll@cks to that! lol
matthewk25 3 years ago
so how do you get out of the spin???
steveital 3 years ago
Four step. Power idle, opposite rudder, ailerons neutral, and release back pressure on the yoke. Really simple.
Sccratlanta 3 years ago
The standard procedure is to bring engine to idle if it's not on idle, apply complete apposite radder, pull the yok completely back and keep the elerons neutral. The aircraft stopps spinning, and raises the nose (pith up). The last step to recover is apply enough power (usally full throttle) when the speed is not to high, and finally level up. Basically this is it:)
gsamvelian 3 years ago
Generally, the standard technique for recovery is PARE: Power to idle; Ailerons to neutral; Rudder, full opposite; Elevator, forward to break the stall. It's important to do it in the proper order. Once you've done this, gently pull out of the dive and add power to get back to a normal cruise configuration.
daverichards115 2 years ago
@daverichards115, also not that in most a/c elevator neutral will be sufficient, you dont want to be in an unrecognised inverted spin and check forward, it will confuse u and you WILL crash
cra1gpe 1 year ago
Damn..Imagine if there were stress cracks on the wing roots..Snaaap.AAh shit.
motokid032 3 years ago 2
if there was youd most likely find it on the pre flight insepction, spins do not cause heavy g loads so they are not that dangerous if preformed properly, just make sure you stay out of a spirall dive
keeevan 3 years ago
LOL YES
neper1982 3 years ago
great vid!!
Baconrobocop 3 years ago
what happened to that guys eyes!!! did the spin do that the centrifugal force made his eye turn like that!!! is he ok?
comcfi 3 years ago
are u an idiot?
mike97112006 3 years ago 7
el gordo creo que se cago en los pantalones
markotubex 3 years ago 2
YO TAMBIEN CREO LO MISMO JAJAJA
neper1982 3 years ago
I wish I could do that in my Piper Warrior
TonyAirlines 3 years ago
when me and my insture did that the vaccum cut out and hasd to land in a rice field here in arkansas
rxtrix505 3 years ago
I hope you're not saying you made an emergency landing because of a vacuum pump failure?
Seehawks4life 3 years ago
That was intense sweet spinning! the end was also hilarious the crosseyes hahaha
sannie08 4 years ago
nice spin demo, cool video
N786GR 4 years ago
was that ur friend last part? I started laughting by looking at his face lol. I have another question for you. During Maneuver if the engine fails, would you able to return back level flight? in my view, I reckon the plane wont gain more claim lol
xoxoguy007 4 years ago
hahah. You know my head starting spining here after finised watching this video and dont know how I will feel in real lol. Goodluck with further piloting
xoxoguy007 4 years ago
wowo, nice man. I am starting PPL next year. Now you ready scared me by loooking at ur spin video lol. And could you give me how it feels being a pilot and feelings u had when u starting ur training? also learning to fly complicated. Thanks in advance
xoxoguy007 4 years ago
Nice! I counted 8 turns I think. LOL @ your instructor... Watching this stuff makes me want to get back in the air so bad!