The church early in history was established in Rome, there is where Peter was located. Even many early christian church writers empasized the importance of church in Rome.
@Timesearch Truely the nature of Protestantism, unfortunately. You can be a light to the world by teaching the truth in light of all of the misconceptions that exist out there in the world. The world desperately needs the truth right now!
@Timesearch And this pastor will mislead everyone who watches this video unfortunately who may not have a good backing in Christian history. Hopefully the educated will recognize his error whether intentional or not.
Luther didn't change the word catholic to christian...it is clearly stated in the bible the very first time the word christian was used was during the apostolic era when paul and peter were still alive, btw catholic is nowhere to be found in the bible: Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
The word Catholic is a specific designation for The Church. It is Catholic because it is a VISIBLE Catholic Church. Rome was the ONLY central authority for The Catholic Church. There has never been a term for Roman Catholic Church. You confuse the matter more by making it a big deal. It is not just chilean Christians. It is Catholic. BTW. Christian does not mean Universal hence the church's name CATHOLIC. Catholic Chilean Church, Catholic Iraquian Church, Catholic German Church, etc....
Where did I just read Irenaues in 180 A.D. just say the "ORGANIZATION" of The Church is to have as It's ORIGIN? "ROME"? Really? Ok... And who has to agree with EVERYTHING THIS "ROMAN" Church Teaches? Ohhhhhh..... "ALL THE FAITHFUL EVERYWHERE".....I gotcha!!! Got it! Your right Pastor, The Catholic Church is not "ROMAN"... to you. Not to Irenaues I'd say about ohhhh...ummmm... 1940 years before YOU and ehhhh......maybe 1480 years before Martin Luther and the rest of the Protestant Crew.
,that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles.
"With this church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree—that is, all the faithful in the whole world—and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition" (ibid., 3:3:1–2).
"But since it would be too long to number in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all,founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul,
Irenaues Definition Of "CATHOLIC". Does it fit yours? I will need to spread it in several posts to fit everything for your reading understanding. This is now, from Irenaues of Lyons writing about 180 A.D. Luther was not around then. There were others like him for sure. See the next 3 posts.
So Folks, what your listening to in these sesssions given by the good Pastor is mere opinions of men. That's all. Every single truth defined in any talks can be cross referenced to the contrary be it in Christian Patristics, Nature of the Church or mere Logic in Faith. Iteresting that when The Pastor quotes a scripture verse from the bible, it's as if it Is God. But, when someone as I present a view of Ambrosian Teaching on The Eucharist, he brushes it off requiring "CONTEXT, ERA, etc...."
From Columbia University's definition (No friend of Roman Catholics, I assure you) says thusly, Pastor Lassman:
"Roman Catholic" is a 19th-century British coinage and merely serves to distinguish that church from other churches that are "Catholic" (see catholic church). The term "Roman Church," when used officially, means only the archdiocese of Rome. Roman Catholics may be simply defined as Christians in communion with the pope.
The Church is called Catholic because It's Nature is to be present in all parts of the World based on Christ's Universal Commission in Mark 16:15. Ignatius of Antioch writing in about 108 A.D. called this Church he belonged to as "CATHOLIC". It was called "ROMAN CATHOLIC", Pastor Lassman, when your Lutheran Church decided to call it Roman Catholic to designate yourselves from It. Be honest with the folks! Folks, go into any reference material online and google ROMAN CATHOLIC. ;-)
The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ and that was The same Church Luther split with. You want to call it "ROMAN CATHOLIC" to ease your sad history. Plenty of other Fathers, both before and after him, say the same thing. And there's no serious question how the Fathers view the Eucharist, for example. I've compiled some applicable writings from Church Fathers on the Eucharist: prior to 200 A.D., from 200-300 A.D., and from 300-400 A.D. Universally, they believe it's actually Jesus.
@nschaub The only thing unfortunate is your misguided efforts to change history. It is very easy to solve this. If The Roman Catholic Was INVENTED by someone, what is their NAME?? Come on, not all at one time... You call it "ROME, ROME..." It is rightly called Catholic as it was always called Catholic. You changed the name to suit your Doctrinal footing. You stop calling it "Catholic" in this video when referring to other countries. Why are you afraid to do so? Confusion? Too True.
@nschaub Your wrong. The Catholic Church was always the same. You and Protestants invented the Term "Roman Catholic". That was never It's Name!
The first of these three objections crumbles when you start to read history. In 180 A.D., Irenaeus' Against Heresies describes the Mass in explicit detail, talks about Peter and Paul founding the Church at Rome, and it being the Church with which all other churches must agree.
You seem to have a pet peeve about Roman Catholics by the way you emphasized the fact that catholic is not the same as Roman Catholic. Just an observation.
How are protestant churches Apostolic? if they have just been around for some 500 yrs? Catholic was used by St. Ignatius of Antioch to distinguish the true Church of good from the heretics. So Catholic means Roman Catholic or was Ignatius not a bishop in the church?
How are protestant churches Apostolic? if they have just been around for some 500 yrs? Catholic was used by St. Ignatius of Antioch to distinguish the true Church of good from the heretics. So Catholic means Roman Catholic or was Ignatius not a bishop in the church?
Actually, we Lutherans use "Catholic" officially in the Latin versions of our Symbols, and "Christian" in the German/English versions to equally mean the "Orthodox Universal Christian Faith". "Catholic" means "Christian", and vice versa, in Orthodox Lutheran usage.
The Roman Catholic Church actually preceded the word "Catholic" because the RCC created all of this stuff. The Protestants define themselves as rebels against Roman Catholicism.
@JonWRowe Hi.......well...not exactly........read any standard history of the Christian Church and you will see that you are wrong.....about "Roman" Catholic preceeding "Catholic"........of course it is true that the Lutherans and other Protestants disagree with R.C. C....but then most of the things that were objectionable in the R.C.C. are not found in the Scriptures or the early church.......
I have read the standard history books of the early church and no I don't see that I am wrong. The "Roman" Catholic Church traces its apostolic authority to the early Church and YOUR church doesn't.
@JonWRowe You are correct that the true church built by Christ does exist in union with the one rock. Anyone outside of the Roman church, while faithful and obediant to Christ as they may be, are outside of the fullness of truth because they dont have valid sacraments. Church history is a very interesting topic, so we share that in common.
@nschaub There are many things in Lutheranism NOT found in The Early Ancient Churches either. I could name simply 5 Teachings of the 1st 3 centuries. Respectfully, Rob.
@JonWRowe That's not true. Protestantantism invented the term (RCC). The Catholic Church was never called "Roman Catholic" ever. You believe that. You severed yourselves from The Catholic Church which was always Catholic and Roman. Read Irenaues in 180 A.D. preceding to this note.
wow, thank you for this explanation! i have always wondered about it.
one time, i brought a ELCA girl with me to my parents AALC church and there was much concern and even disappointment after we said the apostle's creed.
she was like, "i can't believe it... i can't believe that you say 'Holy Christian Church' instead of 'Holy Catholic Church." i was like, "oh it's no big deal."
needless to say she quit calling me to hang-out with her after that. shucks.
@nschaub Outside of Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy (whereby I usually refer to as the "Catholic side" of Christianity), the only Protestants (the other side of Christianity) whereby the Priests use the Collar would be the Lutherans and Anglicans (which includes the Episcopalians). It is also acceptable with the Methodists and Presbyterians although certainly not required.
Anglicans and/or Episcopalians, Lutherans, some Presbyterians, some Methodists, and some Moravians all wear clerical collars; and all of them are considered "Protestant." I am a practicing Anglican myself and love the mixture of Protestant doctrine along the lines of John Wesley along with a very high church "catholic like" liturgy. A British Jewish friend of mine humorously referred to my love of catholic like liturgy and overt Protestant doctrine as "low fat religion." That was funny...
Hi....yes but in the orginal German Luther has "christliche Kirche"..christian church....so, I don't know how the "Catholic" got in the Swedish version...Pastor Lassman
Pastor, the answer, I am almost sure, is that the Creed did never change in Sweden in the Swedish language so it was the same both before and after the reformation: allmännelig or catholic.
Hi..well you know that history better than me! But in Martin Luther's catechism it is Christian...not that I object to "catholic"..that's not my point..just what did Luther write in the Catechism...how about the Swedish translation of the Catechism in the Book of Concord??
I think that the Church wanted to emphazise the contiunuity with the Church of the Apostles, that it was still the same church. That is: The Church of Sweden is (was) the Church of Christ in Sweden. (Bishop Bo Giertz writes about this) in his book Church of Christ). In the Catechism the word 'allmännelig' is used, not kristen (christian).
@nschaub Actually, was I wrote before was not entirely correct; it states: Jag tror på den Helige Ande, en helig KRISTLIG kyrka, de heligas samfund, syndernas förlåtelse, köttets uppståndelse och ett evigt liv.
But the Church of Sweden - as all other Christian denominations today - did never change the word and I do not think Martin Luther did intend that either...
Christianus mihi nomen est, catholicus cognomen. It is impossible to be Christian without being catholic in a the broad sence. Pastor Lassman it is incorrect that the word catholic was changed to christian in the Apostle's creed during the reformation: the lutheran churches of Scandinavia has always used the word allmännelig, which is another word for catholic.
I admit when hearing the word Catholic for the last 15 years of so since going to a Catholic high school, I thought of "Roman Catholic", the definition you're telling me now sounds good and as a Christian I am all for a universal church which is taught to us in the bible.
the definition roman catholic only came after the protestant movement. if you live in north america like myself, you know that catholic is a minority denomination. most christians are from lutheran lineage
a quote by Professor Peter Flint (scholar, non-catholic who translated the dead sea scrolls into english) said "Without the Catholic Church you have no Bible, just a bunch of books and letters. With the Church you have the Bible!"
yes we could. And some of our literature does refer to the Catholic Church (not meaning Roman Catholic..but the universal church) The one reason we still use the phrase Christian Church in many thing is because even to this day (unfortunately) many people still think of the Roman Catholic Church instead of the Universal Church. Good question. Pastor Lassman
No. Because even if the original intent of the word Catholic was supposed to mean universal by whoever came up with it (I don't believe that it was God...don't let the devil fool you.) Catholic nowadays means a denomination that does indeed worship Mary although they will deny up and down that they do...at least a lot of them will. Some don't consider what they do worship. My church is big on music, because it is part of our worship. So they don't see some of the things that they do as worship?
Do you ever ask a friend to pray for you? The word 'pray' simply means 'to ask.' We Catholics (I am NOT Roman Catholic, btw), pray to Mary. We do not worship her. She is the mother of God. She deserves respect, and we give it. It is not worship.
Your comparison to music makes no sense. Your music is to worship God. Your music is to remember Christ. Our practice in relation to Mary has nothing to do with worship. We simply ask her to pray for us, to God, just as you would ask a friend.
ok, in the few months since I wrote my original I realized that the whole Mary worship thing isn't as wide spread as I thought. But......it is happening a lot. Have you ever heard of people decorating a statue of Mary at certain holidays with things like gold crowns then and bowing down to it? That's basically a couple of no nos wrapped up into one. And the high school i went to focused WAY more on Mary. They made more of a point to get us through a few hail Mary's than anything else.
Its important to remember that no devotion to Mary is lead to a dead end channel that stops at her. All devotion to Mary leads to her Son - Christ accepted the call from the Father to become man & accept moral law such as the 10 Cmdts & to Honor the mother/father. The original Hebrew word for honor is kaboda which is to glorify. Christ fulfilled that law
more perfectly than any human by bestowing His glory upon His heavenly
Father & taking His own divine glory & honoring His Mother with it.
As Christians we are called to imitate Christ & honor His Mother with His own glory. I know that you pray the Hail Mary from your previous post, but also feel that decorations are overdoing it. I think this is all perspective. What about the treatment of the American flag? Do you feel that Americans worship that material? Really all a statue is, is a visible sign of the invisible reality that exists. Our lives are full of things that represent something else - just something to think about....
I left the Roman Church for many reasons. Papal Infallibility was a big one. Hypocrisy was another. I am now Old Catholic, and I am expecting to be ordained to the priesthood in less than a year.
Our Church doesn't do the whole big organ or anything. The Word of God is powerful enough on its own. We strive for smaller communities.
I believe in the veneration of Mary, just as any other saint, because of her extraordinary faith and strength. Veneration is simply respect, nothing more.
Well Jesus did give the keys to Peter and the authority to bind on earth... Hipocirsy exists in every organized religion unfortunately and exists big time in any protestant religion or anything that goes against Roman Catholic teaching. Since you say that you reject the pope, who or what is your ultimate authority? Do you believe in sola scriptura and sola fide?
I said council of Bishops, not priests. It is a council, which means there is a group of Bishops, just like Vatican I and Vatican II, and all other ecumenical councils that decides on matters.
It is voted upon, similarly to the Roman Conclave and the election of a Pope. When a consensus is found, it is determined that that is the truth, as the Holy Spirit has spoken through the council.
Priests are also awarded more of a voice in our Church. While the hierarchy exists, we are all brethren.
Just out of curiosity, if you are a former Roman Catholic, what church did you convert to? Is the reason you left the church bc of Marian doctrine? There are many churches out there that have elaborate decorations that really in a sense can be considered the same thing when you refer to decorations. To clarify, what about those churches that have extravagent organs with huge pipes? This is a decoration to draw attention but really its just man-made material, similar to a statue.
The word "catholic" to me is ultimately the essence of the Christian church. The Body of Christ is all believers, not just one physical institution as you so well put it.
it is AN ORGANIZATION they are the only people who combine church and state!!!!I see WORD christian in the KING JAMES BIBLE NOT CATHOLIC. READ THE KING JAMES BIBLE AND LEARN THE TRUTH!!!
The church early in history was established in Rome, there is where Peter was located. Even many early christian church writers empasized the importance of church in Rome.
inlight001 4 months ago
these are all about protestant view. am not suppose to be here.
lovencare62 5 months ago
Oh this is wrong teaching, where did this guy get his education its full of misleading history and misleading information.
Timesearch 7 months ago
@Timesearch Truely the nature of Protestantism, unfortunately. You can be a light to the world by teaching the truth in light of all of the misconceptions that exist out there in the world. The world desperately needs the truth right now!
catchzz 2 months ago
hmmm long befor the Catholic Church was established he says.......I'm pretty sure he errored on that statement.
Timesearch 7 months ago
@Timesearch And this pastor will mislead everyone who watches this video unfortunately who may not have a good backing in Christian history. Hopefully the educated will recognize his error whether intentional or not.
catchzz 7 months ago
Luther didn't change the word catholic to christian...it is clearly stated in the bible the very first time the word christian was used was during the apostolic era when paul and peter were still alive, btw catholic is nowhere to be found in the bible: Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
tario26 8 months ago
The word Catholic is a specific designation for The Church. It is Catholic because it is a VISIBLE Catholic Church. Rome was the ONLY central authority for The Catholic Church. There has never been a term for Roman Catholic Church. You confuse the matter more by making it a big deal. It is not just chilean Christians. It is Catholic. BTW. Christian does not mean Universal hence the church's name CATHOLIC. Catholic Chilean Church, Catholic Iraquian Church, Catholic German Church, etc....
JDNWF66 8 months ago
Where did I just read Irenaues in 180 A.D. just say the "ORGANIZATION" of The Church is to have as It's ORIGIN? "ROME"? Really? Ok... And who has to agree with EVERYTHING THIS "ROMAN" Church Teaches? Ohhhhhh..... "ALL THE FAITHFUL EVERYWHERE".....I gotcha!!! Got it! Your right Pastor, The Catholic Church is not "ROMAN"... to you. Not to Irenaues I'd say about ohhhh...ummmm... 1940 years before YOU and ehhhh......maybe 1480 years before Martin Luther and the rest of the Protestant Crew.
JDNWF66 8 months ago
2) Irenaues 180 A.D.
,that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles.
"With this church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree—that is, all the faithful in the whole world—and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition" (ibid., 3:3:1–2).
JDNWF66 8 months ago
1) Irenaues 180 A.D.
"But since it would be too long to number in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all,founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul,
JDNWF66 8 months ago
Irenaues Definition Of "CATHOLIC". Does it fit yours? I will need to spread it in several posts to fit everything for your reading understanding. This is now, from Irenaues of Lyons writing about 180 A.D. Luther was not around then. There were others like him for sure. See the next 3 posts.
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JDNWF66 8 months ago
So Folks, what your listening to in these sesssions given by the good Pastor is mere opinions of men. That's all. Every single truth defined in any talks can be cross referenced to the contrary be it in Christian Patristics, Nature of the Church or mere Logic in Faith. Iteresting that when The Pastor quotes a scripture verse from the bible, it's as if it Is God. But, when someone as I present a view of Ambrosian Teaching on The Eucharist, he brushes it off requiring "CONTEXT, ERA, etc...."
JDNWF66 8 months ago
From Columbia University's definition (No friend of Roman Catholics, I assure you) says thusly, Pastor Lassman:
"Roman Catholic" is a 19th-century British coinage and merely serves to distinguish that church from other churches that are "Catholic" (see catholic church). The term "Roman Church," when used officially, means only the archdiocese of Rome. Roman Catholics may be simply defined as Christians in communion with the pope.
JDNWF66 8 months ago
The Church is called Catholic because It's Nature is to be present in all parts of the World based on Christ's Universal Commission in Mark 16:15. Ignatius of Antioch writing in about 108 A.D. called this Church he belonged to as "CATHOLIC". It was called "ROMAN CATHOLIC", Pastor Lassman, when your Lutheran Church decided to call it Roman Catholic to designate yourselves from It. Be honest with the folks! Folks, go into any reference material online and google ROMAN CATHOLIC. ;-)
JDNWF66 8 months ago
The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ and that was The same Church Luther split with. You want to call it "ROMAN CATHOLIC" to ease your sad history. Plenty of other Fathers, both before and after him, say the same thing. And there's no serious question how the Fathers view the Eucharist, for example. I've compiled some applicable writings from Church Fathers on the Eucharist: prior to 200 A.D., from 200-300 A.D., and from 300-400 A.D. Universally, they believe it's actually Jesus.
JDNWF66 8 months ago
@nschaub The only thing unfortunate is your misguided efforts to change history. It is very easy to solve this. If The Roman Catholic Was INVENTED by someone, what is their NAME?? Come on, not all at one time... You call it "ROME, ROME..." It is rightly called Catholic as it was always called Catholic. You changed the name to suit your Doctrinal footing. You stop calling it "Catholic" in this video when referring to other countries. Why are you afraid to do so? Confusion? Too True.
JDNWF66 8 months ago
@nschaub Your wrong. The Catholic Church was always the same. You and Protestants invented the Term "Roman Catholic". That was never It's Name!
The first of these three objections crumbles when you start to read history. In 180 A.D., Irenaeus' Against Heresies describes the Mass in explicit detail, talks about Peter and Paul founding the Church at Rome, and it being the Church with which all other churches must agree.
JDNWF66 8 months ago
You seem to have a pet peeve about Roman Catholics by the way you emphasized the fact that catholic is not the same as Roman Catholic. Just an observation.
benzkars 10 months ago
How are protestant churches Apostolic? if they have just been around for some 500 yrs? Catholic was used by St. Ignatius of Antioch to distinguish the true Church of good from the heretics. So Catholic means Roman Catholic or was Ignatius not a bishop in the church?
14alonso88 1 year ago
How are protestant churches Apostolic? if they have just been around for some 500 yrs? Catholic was used by St. Ignatius of Antioch to distinguish the true Church of good from the heretics. So Catholic means Roman Catholic or was Ignatius not a bishop in the church?
14alonso88 1 year ago
The term "Roman Catholic" was invented by Martin Luther.
flameboy1236 1 year ago
you wish you were roman catholic
3Michael82 1 year ago
Actually, we Lutherans use "Catholic" officially in the Latin versions of our Symbols, and "Christian" in the German/English versions to equally mean the "Orthodox Universal Christian Faith". "Catholic" means "Christian", and vice versa, in Orthodox Lutheran usage.
USAsoldier1955 1 year ago
The Roman Catholic Church actually preceded the word "Catholic" because the RCC created all of this stuff. The Protestants define themselves as rebels against Roman Catholicism.
JonWRowe 1 year ago
@JonWRowe Hi.......well...not exactly........read any standard history of the Christian Church and you will see that you are wrong.....about "Roman" Catholic preceeding "Catholic"........of course it is true that the Lutherans and other Protestants disagree with R.C. C....but then most of the things that were objectionable in the R.C.C. are not found in the Scriptures or the early church.......
nschaub 1 year ago
I have read the standard history books of the early church and no I don't see that I am wrong. The "Roman" Catholic Church traces its apostolic authority to the early Church and YOUR church doesn't.
JonWRowe 1 year ago
@JonWRowe You are correct that the true church built by Christ does exist in union with the one rock. Anyone outside of the Roman church, while faithful and obediant to Christ as they may be, are outside of the fullness of truth because they dont have valid sacraments. Church history is a very interesting topic, so we share that in common.
catchzz 1 year ago
@JonWRowe i've heard that too
AnimeLuver70 1 year ago
@nschaub There are many things in Lutheranism NOT found in The Early Ancient Churches either. I could name simply 5 Teachings of the 1st 3 centuries. Respectfully, Rob.
JDNWF66 11 months ago
@JonWRowe That's not true. Protestantantism invented the term (RCC). The Catholic Church was never called "Roman Catholic" ever. You believe that. You severed yourselves from The Catholic Church which was always Catholic and Roman. Read Irenaues in 180 A.D. preceding to this note.
JDNWF66 8 months ago
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This guy talks so much about catholics, I beginning to wonder!
cmiketopp 1 year ago
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This guy talks so much about catholics, I beginning to wonder!
cmiketopp 1 year ago
This guy talks so much about catholics, I beginning to wonder!
cmiketopp 1 year ago
wow, thank you for this explanation! i have always wondered about it.
one time, i brought a ELCA girl with me to my parents AALC church and there was much concern and even disappointment after we said the apostle's creed.
she was like, "i can't believe it... i can't believe that you say 'Holy Christian Church' instead of 'Holy Catholic Church." i was like, "oh it's no big deal."
needless to say she quit calling me to hang-out with her after that. shucks.
...it's not easy being Lutheran.
jonasbjarki 2 years ago
Well it is indeed important to say the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church, the girl was right about that.
karpov89 2 years ago
This is confusing, cause your dressed like a RC Priest.
Timesearch 2 years ago
Hi..I am a Lutheran and many Lutherans and other Christians wear the collar besides Roman Catholics..
nschaub 2 years ago
@nschaub Outside of Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy (whereby I usually refer to as the "Catholic side" of Christianity), the only Protestants (the other side of Christianity) whereby the Priests use the Collar would be the Lutherans and Anglicans (which includes the Episcopalians). It is also acceptable with the Methodists and Presbyterians although certainly not required.
PsychoPunk1965 1 year ago
Pastor Lassman is right about that.
karpov89 2 years ago
Anglicans and/or Episcopalians, Lutherans, some Presbyterians, some Methodists, and some Moravians all wear clerical collars; and all of them are considered "Protestant." I am a practicing Anglican myself and love the mixture of Protestant doctrine along the lines of John Wesley along with a very high church "catholic like" liturgy. A British Jewish friend of mine humorously referred to my love of catholic like liturgy and overt Protestant doctrine as "low fat religion." That was funny...
PsychoPunk1965 1 year ago
@Timesearch I understand that other religions wear "the collar" too besides Catholics, but I know it can be confusing.
ChaseTerrier 10 months ago
@Timesearch Yeah, I had the same confusion.
cashernandes1 7 months ago
Thanx i learned sumthing new from this video
MEEDDIE4 2 years ago
Great,,thanks for your comments..Pastor Lassman
nschaub 2 years ago
wait is this guy catholic
MEEDDIE4 2 years ago
HI..no, I am a pastor in the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod
nschaub 2 years ago
Hi....yes but in the orginal German Luther has "christliche Kirche"..christian church....so, I don't know how the "Catholic" got in the Swedish version...Pastor Lassman
nschaub 2 years ago
Pastor, the answer, I am almost sure, is that the Creed did never change in Sweden in the Swedish language so it was the same both before and after the reformation: allmännelig or catholic.
karpov89 2 years ago
Hi..well you know that history better than me! But in Martin Luther's catechism it is Christian...not that I object to "catholic"..that's not my point..just what did Luther write in the Catechism...how about the Swedish translation of the Catechism in the Book of Concord??
nschaub 2 years ago
I think that the Church wanted to emphazise the contiunuity with the Church of the Apostles, that it was still the same church. That is: The Church of Sweden is (was) the Church of Christ in Sweden. (Bishop Bo Giertz writes about this) in his book Church of Christ). In the Catechism the word 'allmännelig' is used, not kristen (christian).
karpov89 2 years ago
@nschaub Actually, was I wrote before was not entirely correct; it states: Jag tror på den Helige Ande, en helig KRISTLIG kyrka, de heligas samfund, syndernas förlåtelse, köttets uppståndelse och ett evigt liv.
But the Church of Sweden - as all other Christian denominations today - did never change the word and I do not think Martin Luther did intend that either...
karpov89 1 year ago
Pastor Lassman, this is what the Small Catechism is saying about the third article of the creed:
5] Tredje trosartikeln om den helige Ande och helgelsen
Jag tror på den Helige Ande, en helig, allmännelig kyrka, de heligas samfund, syndernas förlåtelse, kroppens uppståndelse och ett evigt liv.
That was in Swedish...so it says allmännelig=catholic, not kristen=christian, christlich. In Sweden we use the same word as before the Reformation.
karpov89 2 years ago
Look at Martin Luther's Small Catechism and the third Article of the Creed. Does it say "christian church" or "catholic church"..Pastor Lassman
nschaub 2 years ago
Christianus mihi nomen est, catholicus cognomen. It is impossible to be Christian without being catholic in a the broad sence. Pastor Lassman it is incorrect that the word catholic was changed to christian in the Apostle's creed during the reformation: the lutheran churches of Scandinavia has always used the word allmännelig, which is another word for catholic.
karpov89 2 years ago
:) makes me wonder why christian denominations don't seek the original church
gerryboy101 2 years ago
I admit when hearing the word Catholic for the last 15 years of so since going to a Catholic high school, I thought of "Roman Catholic", the definition you're telling me now sounds good and as a Christian I am all for a universal church which is taught to us in the bible.
siamus 2 years ago
the definition roman catholic only came after the protestant movement. if you live in north america like myself, you know that catholic is a minority denomination. most christians are from lutheran lineage
gerryboy101 2 years ago
a quote by Professor Peter Flint (scholar, non-catholic who translated the dead sea scrolls into english) said "Without the Catholic Church you have no Bible, just a bunch of books and letters. With the Church you have the Bible!"
gerryboy101 2 years ago
How completely true that is. Thanks!
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rafaelbiomed 3 years ago
IF Martin Luther changed the creed at that time from catholic to Christian--shouldn't the Lutheran Community CHANGE IT BACK OFFICIALLY.
tomata182 4 years ago
yes we could. And some of our literature does refer to the Catholic Church (not meaning Roman Catholic..but the universal church) The one reason we still use the phrase Christian Church in many thing is because even to this day (unfortunately) many people still think of the Roman Catholic Church instead of the Universal Church. Good question. Pastor Lassman
nschaub 4 years ago
No. Because even if the original intent of the word Catholic was supposed to mean universal by whoever came up with it (I don't believe that it was God...don't let the devil fool you.) Catholic nowadays means a denomination that does indeed worship Mary although they will deny up and down that they do...at least a lot of them will. Some don't consider what they do worship. My church is big on music, because it is part of our worship. So they don't see some of the things that they do as worship?
siamus 2 years ago
Do you ever ask a friend to pray for you? The word 'pray' simply means 'to ask.' We Catholics (I am NOT Roman Catholic, btw), pray to Mary. We do not worship her. She is the mother of God. She deserves respect, and we give it. It is not worship.
Your comparison to music makes no sense. Your music is to worship God. Your music is to remember Christ. Our practice in relation to Mary has nothing to do with worship. We simply ask her to pray for us, to God, just as you would ask a friend.
2008805 2 years ago
ok, in the few months since I wrote my original I realized that the whole Mary worship thing isn't as wide spread as I thought. But......it is happening a lot. Have you ever heard of people decorating a statue of Mary at certain holidays with things like gold crowns then and bowing down to it? That's basically a couple of no nos wrapped up into one. And the high school i went to focused WAY more on Mary. They made more of a point to get us through a few hail Mary's than anything else.
siamus 2 years ago
Hail Mary's are not bad. They simply ask Mary to pray for us. Prayers of saints can been seen in several places in scripture, including Revelation.
I do, however, disagree with decorations of Mary and her placement above Jesus by some Catholics. Jesus is God. Not Mary. Some people forget that.
2008805 2 years ago
Its important to remember that no devotion to Mary is lead to a dead end channel that stops at her. All devotion to Mary leads to her Son - Christ accepted the call from the Father to become man & accept moral law such as the 10 Cmdts & to Honor the mother/father. The original Hebrew word for honor is kaboda which is to glorify. Christ fulfilled that law
more perfectly than any human by bestowing His glory upon His heavenly
Father & taking His own divine glory & honoring His Mother with it.
catchzz 2 years ago
As Christians we are called to imitate Christ & honor His Mother with His own glory. I know that you pray the Hail Mary from your previous post, but also feel that decorations are overdoing it. I think this is all perspective. What about the treatment of the American flag? Do you feel that Americans worship that material? Really all a statue is, is a visible sign of the invisible reality that exists. Our lives are full of things that represent something else - just something to think about....
catchzz 2 years ago
I left the Roman Church for many reasons. Papal Infallibility was a big one. Hypocrisy was another. I am now Old Catholic, and I am expecting to be ordained to the priesthood in less than a year.
Our Church doesn't do the whole big organ or anything. The Word of God is powerful enough on its own. We strive for smaller communities.
I believe in the veneration of Mary, just as any other saint, because of her extraordinary faith and strength. Veneration is simply respect, nothing more.
2008805 2 years ago
Well Jesus did give the keys to Peter and the authority to bind on earth... Hipocirsy exists in every organized religion unfortunately and exists big time in any protestant religion or anything that goes against Roman Catholic teaching. Since you say that you reject the pope, who or what is your ultimate authority? Do you believe in sola scriptura and sola fide?
catchzz 2 years ago
Our sole authority is the council of Bishops like the early Church. We are Catholic, not Protestant.
And Christ established in Peter a representative of the Church, just as all priests are, not a sole authority.
2008805 2 years ago
What happens when two priests have disagreements over doctrine? Who is right and who is wrong?
catchzz 2 years ago
I said council of Bishops, not priests. It is a council, which means there is a group of Bishops, just like Vatican I and Vatican II, and all other ecumenical councils that decides on matters.
It is voted upon, similarly to the Roman Conclave and the election of a Pope. When a consensus is found, it is determined that that is the truth, as the Holy Spirit has spoken through the council.
Priests are also awarded more of a voice in our Church. While the hierarchy exists, we are all brethren.
2008805 2 years ago
Sorry my answers are so bland. These YouTube comments have a horribly short character count.
2008805 2 years ago
I hear you on that one - cant really ever get the point across on youtube.
catchzz 2 years ago
Just out of curiosity, if you are a former Roman Catholic, what church did you convert to? Is the reason you left the church bc of Marian doctrine? There are many churches out there that have elaborate decorations that really in a sense can be considered the same thing when you refer to decorations. To clarify, what about those churches that have extravagent organs with huge pipes? This is a decoration to draw attention but really its just man-made material, similar to a statue.
catchzz 2 years ago
The word "catholic" to me is ultimately the essence of the Christian church. The Body of Christ is all believers, not just one physical institution as you so well put it.
AnHonestChristian 4 years ago
Absolutely! Thanks...........Pastor Lassman
nschaub 4 years ago
it is AN ORGANIZATION they are the only people who combine church and state!!!!I see WORD christian in the KING JAMES BIBLE NOT CATHOLIC. READ THE KING JAMES BIBLE AND LEARN THE TRUTH!!!
LADYTIRE3 4 years ago