John McCain Met by Protest at San Francisco Fundraiser

[christpunchers]

This "Mark Matthews" speaks funny.... like a middle age guy trying to impersonate an old man.

[xcatalog]

NO MC BUSH!!!!!

[ProudtobeaYank]

No Obama. Liberals are anti-american and rebels to the USA. Libs are baby killers and faggots.

[FURepublicans]

As are some conservatives! As a matter of fact there are a ton of conservatives that are child molestors!

[yandiggles]

@orchmeuptom

get fucked you moron.

i love how people like you think they have the right to tell people what to do? what made you so fucken righteous? you fucking retard

[coffeefish]

Democrats are starting to creep people out. When will these strange goofballs, stop acting like dopes, and start acting like they have a spine?

[CPL337]

Man, I hope we don't get another Oil man as are president. Look what happened with bush. Why vote for someone who's been bought off by big company's.

[juan909s]

cough cough, mccain.

obama seems as if hes different but its not the president sadly. its the people in power, the real power, congress and the others. one president now adays cannot change the world. if he does the congress can just say no to what the president wants.

[whiskeypukinalchy]

thats why i love canada's government makes the prime ministers party have a liitle more power so that huge bills actually have a chance of passing. and actually i shouldent say canada's because it was the british's first but whatever

[juan909s]

yeah usa, we have alot of things to work on

[WaffleBakingStar]

FACT: Canada has more to spend because we do most of the military defense for them.

FACT: Tax bills are heavier in Canada

FACT: Higher corporate taxes is linked to lower GDP growth.

[whiskeypukinalchy]

ok lets start disproving you bullshit

Fact: you just stated three things they taught you in school

Fact: your schools feed you more bullshit then kim jong il

Fact: you gotta be a conservitave asshole to spell fact in caps

Fact: there is no way the us defends us were a peacekeeping nation thats why unlike our neighbors in the south were not the enemy of every nation that doesnt agree with us hence the fact that we havent nuked quebec

[WaffleBakingStar]

LOL. Trust me, in school, I'm liberal-washed.

"Fact: you gotta be a conservitave asshole to spell fact in caps"

Or maybe I'm emphasizing it's a fact.

"Fact: there is no way the us defends us were a peacekeeping nation thats why unlike our neighbors in the south were not the enemy of every nation that doesnt agree with us hence the fact that we havent nuked quebec"

You're not a peace-keeping nation in UN.

US isn't an enemy of every nation, we're just unpopular. HUGE difference.

[whiskeypukinalchy]

Fact: my taxes arnt that bad and i get national health care so if i accidently lop off a couple of fingers i dont gotta choose which ones i wanna keep

[WaffleBakingStar]

Neither do we. Unless you live 100 miles from a hospital in a 3rd world country, I haven't heard of a case where they don't patch up all your fingers.

Actually, I take that back, if you lost your fingers, you'd have it replaced with prosthetic fingers.

[Gesundheitsschadlich]

Europe prefers Barack Obama

If McCain is elected, Americans are plain stupid.

[fordwillkillyou]

fuck you, fuck Europe, and fuck oboma! Go mccain!

[JCLIVZ]

fordwillkillyou--Ummm I don't really think that Europeans would like to "fuck you" and I believe Barrack Obama is already married to a woman WITH children! So tell me where you learned such intelligent language when discussing politics? Did you learn this from Dick Cheney who has no problem using this language while in office? Or did you learn this from Mr. McShame? Either way I will pray for you! God Bless!

[JohnDeBunkTest]

What I wonder about is why the pols indicate a close race.

Obama has all the right ideas for a bright future, while McCain is a lying B who is clearly in the pocket of big oil.

Are Americans as dumb as Bush and McCain?

[sebaspipi]

JohnDeBunkTest you hit the spot man. They prefer a McBush no matter how dumb he is... than to have a very intelligent Black man. For the U.S that would be a kick in the nuts, straight up!

White power does not limit only to the K.K.K's you know?

[truthspeaker9]

mccain, the war mongering doddering bitter old fool is ALREADY hated and heckled wherever he goes.and hes trying to be president? LOL. what a psycho. i think his time POW screwed his head up. alot of vietnam vets went bezerk after that screwed up war (not insult to troops here, just that, that war did a number on the USA military/draftees) also I cant stand to wacth how he ignores/ walks in front/ treats his beaten down wife. ITS gross. he has her trained in a bad way.

[sebaspipi]

McBush is an idiot. Another dumb ass showing what Americans are about. Their image to the world is less than pitiful. By seeing and hearing the shit they do and say, people wonder 'If he is the president and this dude is a president wanna be, then how must the education be in the U.S?"... shame, shame! And how bad they feel that a black dude has personality and shows class and well spoken... whoa! must be a kick in the nuts for the U.S

Fucking Bush can not even say nuclear right!!

[wolfhybred]

The GOP needs a different nominee a "real" republican conservative. I can only think of one.

[JCLIVZ]

It would only work if that "real" republican conservative was a closet homosexual like the rest. The Democrats are too busy acting like "real" human beings and focusing on REALITY to worry about anything else. God Bless you sir!

[wolfhybred]

There is no reality to what Obama proposes. it ca'nt be done the funds are'nt there. it all sounds pretty. I prefer less government interference in our lives. peolpe should be able to decide how to spend the money they earn.He wants to feed the world on your dime. we need to abolish the fed and their fiat money system. I mean this in a kind way. Educate yourself. Read Ron Pauls "The Revolution" A Manifesto. Study the Federal reserve. You do know it is a private banking cartel do'nt you? $ fiat

[JCLIVZ]

"I prefer less government interference in our lives." Then WHY would you choose to support anybody but Obama? I just don't get your logic.

"He wants to feed the world on your dime." Well I certainly HOPE SO! It would save me some time from having to distribute my meager wealth to those less fortunate anyway. Also, I would much rather see my money go to a WORTHY cause, instead of oil execs, war criminals like Bush, Cheney, and people of their ilk.Please take my money and do what CHRIST would do!

[JCLIVZ]

"Educate yourself." Hmmmm. Ok I'll tell you what. I will read your bood if you promise to read the following: G.K. Chesterton's Orthodoxy, Brennon Manning "The Ragamuffin Gospel," Donald Spoto "The Reluctant Saint" and Brian McClauren & Tony Campolo's "Adventures in Missing the Point." I particularly recommend the LAST one first. Let me know what you think. God Bless you Sir!!

[FURepublicans]

It can't be done because the republicans blew through the funds on a pointless war! Did you know that being a republican is a disease of the mind? I didn't make that up! Did you know that Psychologists say conservatism is a mental illness? I didn't make that up! "A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can be explained psychologically as a set of neuroses rooted in "fear and aggression, dogmatism and the intolerance of ambiguity"." PM me for the link to the article!

[wolfhybred]

Hmmm Government funded study? Psychologist.Sounds like something the democrats would approve funding for lol bet that did'nt cost much. Then again neither do all their other mismanaged programs. I'm not any of those things you speak of neither is Ron Paul. Look him up. He's not like the neocons we have had in power for so long. What is wanting your government to decide everything for you diagnosed as? By the way I'm more of a libertarian & more anti war than Obama. Gov. Funds lot of stupid crap

[wolfhybred]

Just so you know I hate Mcinsane with a passion. I will NOT vote for him or Obama. I'm praying we can convince the delegates at the rnc to nominate Ron paul instead of Mcsame. If not I will write in Ron Paul or vote Baldwin or Barr. I do'nt want Obama but if I have to have one of those CFR elites I think Obama might be better. But I think there is too much vote fraud for it to matter who we vote for. How do you think Bush got elected twice. Diebold wins. Whoever pays them the most takes office.

[killakadafi77]

how is wind water solar related to offshore drilling, what a pawn

[winthiswar]

I am sure all the protesters were fags and niggers.

[JCLIVZ]

(winthiswar) "fags and niggers."?????? What prehistoric age did you evolve from. Were you actually born yesterday or do you choose to speak like this to express your true stipidity. Either way I will pray that you buy a clue. God Bless your ignorant self.

[WaffleBakingStar]

Don't say that, I know for a fact there were African Americans who went to McCain's fund raiser, don't be racist.

Second, there were quite a few "fags" there. I would know I went there to catch of glimpse of McCain.

BTW, EVERYONE. GOING THERE, A GUY QUIZZED ME, WHO PLOTTED 9/11, I said "Al-Qaeda" and he said that that's what Bush wants you to think, THEY(protesters) told ME that Bush wanted me to think that and it was actually the Pentagon that staged it.

^^

I'm serious

[Chiffon56]

winthiswar: My, my... I guess "evolution" never quite made it to your part of the country, 'eh numbnuts? Pitiful.

[WaffleBakingStar]

Lastly, I do believe in evolution. However, by calling others 'numbnuts,' you've proven that people are 'pitiful' if they disagree with your views. Sorry, just pointing it out...

[Chiffon56]

Sorry, Ricardo... but I have no problem referring to someone who uses the words "fags" and "niggers" as numbnuts. And it IS pitiful that in this day and age, there are still folks in this country who are so evil and backward.

[WaffleBakingStar]

I wasn't aware this is the same person.

I agree with you.

[sebaspipi]

You meant to say, smart people with balls and minds of their own fuck head. You must be a KKK motherfucker, right? Did i insulted you winthiswar? I am sorry, i did not mean to but it just makes me laugh when i come across an American. You must think that Bush is an awesome president and that global worming is a myth... YOU ARE PATHETIC!! Done talking to a retarded... I meant, a governments puppy!

[Bellita1]

If I were President, I would Nuke San Francisco and pretty much all of California.

[WaffleBakingStar]

Save Bakersfield and the valley!

Besides, they according to Gavin Newsom, they are "out of touch with the people in the coast"

[Bellita1]

Gavin Newsom should be hung. What a wacked out drunken loser of a mayor.

[WaffleBakingStar]

He calls himself Catholic but he's pro-abortion and pro-euthanasia

[coffeefish]

Why do the Democrats suck? Because they control both the House and the Senate, and the country is in a huge stinking pile.

[JCLIVZ]

"Why do the Democrats suck?" Only because they did not follow through with thier word to impeach the biggest war criminal and international terrorist in American history. Other than that, the Dems are saints in my book. George W. Bush and his idiotic administration will go down in history as the worst embarrassment to ever disgrace this country. I will continue to pray for the GOP lost sheeple. God Bless!

[WaffleBakingStar]

JCLIVZ, you never answered my question about Obama = Abortion. ALSO, calling him a war criminal for what? He can't be tried as a war criminal because he isn't. How can you talk of GOD when you want to send back HIS creations because HE placed them on women who couldn't afford it. ALSO, how can you develop so much hatred for a HUMAN BEING. What are you?

Also, it's obvious you don't care about the Iraqis who will gain true freedom for the first time from us. But it doesn't matter..

[JCLIVZ]

WaffleBakingStar--Well lets see. I did not answer your questions because you have already managed to box me in with all the other liberals that you like to judge and condemn for no reason. Unlike your president who has NO problem what so ever murdering thousands of innocent Iraqi children. I do not believe in WAR or Abortion for that matter. Next time ASK a liberal what they believe, before ASSUMING you know them. Don't worry I'm used to that kind of ignorance from arrogant people like yourself.

[WaffleBakingStar]

You called Democrats "saints" for everything other than not impeaching Bush.

Obviously, you do not find the rights and protection of powerless children far from the top of your list.

Second, I don't think Bush went to Iraq and started shooting Iraqi children.

How has HE murdered innocent Iraqi children?

Next time, please throw some solid facts, otherwise throwing non-factual opinions is also being arrogant.

[JCLIVZ]

RE: 2nd question. I am not going to waste my time pointing out the FACTS about the illegal invasion of Iraq to someone who chooses to completely ignore the TRUTH. It is painfully obvious to me by reading your other quotes that you are perfectly content living in an alternate sense of REALITY, different than the majority of Americans or the rest of the world for that matter. But don't worry. The Lord still loves you and therefore, so do I. I will continue to pray for you. Take care and God Bless!

[WaffleBakingStar]

That's pessimistic. Also, simply because I don't agree with the "majority" of Americans simply doesn't mean that I live in alternate sense of reality.  Majority of Americans supported slavery, moving Native Americans from their lands, by using metaphors about what Bush has done is simply creating propaganda.

Lastly, you also ignore facts about the Iraq War, but really, in order to take a position on this war you must downplay certain facts over others. Iraq still has people wanting to kill us.

[Chiffon56]

JCLIVZ: I have to agree with you on THAT. The Dems DO suck for not going after Bush and Cheney for their war crimes. But I also agree that, compared to the Republicans, they're saints. It's frightening to me to find young people like WaffleBaker, who have become so indoctrinated, at such an early age, with the "my country, right or wrong" mentality. When other countries spy on citizens, it's called "fascism". When we do it, it's called "protecting the homeland". What a crock of shit.

[WaffleBakingStar]

Only suspected terrorists were wiretapped.

Same mentality as making Gitmo sound so bad BECAUSE it could be done to us.

[Chiffon56]

WaffleBaker: If ONLY "suspected terrorists" have been wiretapped, why did Dubya INSIST that AT&T be given immunity from prosecution, as investigations begin to take place as to whether or not innocent citizens HAVE BEEN spied on?

[Chiffon56]

coffeefish: The country was "in a huge stinking pile" before the Dems "took control". BTW, Sparky... they only hold a ONE SEAT majority in the Senate. You can't get much done unless you have sixty seats.

[WaffleBakingStar]

Atleast 60? Republicans never controlled 60 during the Bush administration.

[Chiffon56]

WaffleBaker: Dems would need sixty votes in order to stop a filibuster by the Republicans. BTW... for eight years, the Republicans have had a Republican in The White House, rubber stamping ALL of their legislation. Bush vetoes everything the Dems throw at him. See the difference?

[WaffleBakingStar]

Hmm?

Republicans-Dems

2000: 50-50

2002: 51-48 + 1 independent

2004: 55-44 + 1 independent <- Most control

2006: 49-49 + 2 indies who caucused with Dems

Sure. Also, if both the house and the Senate approve a bill, the President can't veto it.

[lllllDIElllll]

ahahaha bunch of dick suckers we need a bigger quake ...

[Chiffon56]

DIE: You're a waste of flesh. Fuck off.

[coffeefish]

We have to get the Democrats out of the House and the Senate. Basically, they suck.

[Chiffon56]

coffeefish: Why do Democrats suck? Because they have brains? Because they're patriots? Please... elaborate... asshole.

[coffeefish]

Don't be vulgar.

[WaffleBakingStar]

Patriots? So if I oppose the war and desecrate flags while pushing away military recruiters, I'd be a patriot?

They have brains? Socialists have brains, fascists have brains, elaborate on "brains."

Or does "brains" mean that they agree with you?

[buzman1985]

If I had known which oil rig he was going to be at I would have been there to protest.

[earthmother]

McBush is a lost cause....the Rethugs must be scrambling.

[godlesspatriot]

My fellow San Franciscans don't take too kindly to Neo-Con Globalist Puppets.

If only they could wise up to OBull$hit, then we'd get somewhere.

Both Candidates are Status Quo, Liars.

[WaffleBakingStar]

If you think 50% of the bullocks coming out of Michael Moore is factual, than lol.

Also, I don't personally attack anyone, but apparently liberals are okay with attack George Bush as a person, the same way you attack me as a person.

[SaveOurSovereignty2]

thank you Michael

[Chiffon56]

McCreepy has become quite the co**sucker, hasn't he? Hell... he could work at a brothel.

[WaffleBakingStar]

or serve in Vietnam and be a POW for 5 years, 2 of those years in a torture program

[Chiffon56]

WaffleBaker: Yeh, yeh... I'm well aware that McCreepy survived as a POW. I even voted for him in the '00 primary. However, in the last eight years, he's become nothing more than an ambitious, pandering, puppet of the neocons. Even "good men" go bad... and HE'S one who HAS. I wouldn't vote for him for dog-catcher.

[WaffleBakingStar]

He's the only bipartisan running for President.

[Chiffon56]

WaffleBaker: No, Sparky... he USED TO BE bipartisan. Now he caters to the far right, and ONLY the far right. You're young. Do some research.

[WaffleBakingStar]

Before hitting me up on my age, why don't we stick to the facts.

Same sex marriage left to states? That's not right.(get it, right)

Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)

Supports federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. (May 2007)

Sure sure. He's DEFINITELY right wing.

[Chiffon56]

McCain is NOT for same-sex marriage, or for allowing gay couples to adopt. He's just not in favor of a CONSTITUTIONAL ban on gay marriage... well, at least not THIS week. And he's probably changed his mind on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research by now, but even if he hasn't... what else makes him "bipartisan"? He's made it clear that he's anti-choice. He's for tax breaks for the rich and the oil companies. It's his pandering to the right that's gotten him the nomination.

[WaffleBakingStar]

He says its immoral, which it is, but he said that states should be given the right to decide on these social policies. Now you aren't having your facts straight. He hasn't changed his mind on federal funding. Why call it anti-choice? Call it what it is, [Against Killing "embryos."]

Tax breaks for the rich? Any tax break is for the rich in that logic, every tax break is more for a person that makes 1m than one that makes 100k. Kthanks.

[Chiffon56]

WaffleBaker: McCain's position is ANTI-CHOICE. No one is PRO-ABORTION... when are you idiots going to get that straight? Nobody is FOR abortion. We're just against having the government tell us that fertilized eggs must be protected, while living, breathing, out-of-the-womb young people are asked to be killed in a senseless, stupid war. Why don't you folks ever care about people once they've left the uterus?

[WaffleBakingStar]

Those were all opinions, and no facts :]

[Chiffon56]

Now... You're young and stupid, and you're boring the shit out of me, so I'm going to leave the thread for awhile. Later...

[WaffleBakingStar]

Lol. You're stupid, and I wouldn't be surprised if you were part of:

watch?v=eudy7hy940Y

[JCLIVZ]

Chiffon56--Amen brother! You are a true American, patriot and human being. Keep fighting the good fight and speaking the TRUTH! Obama in 2008!! Take care and God Bless!

[Chiffon56]

Thanks for the kind words, JCLIVZ. You seem to be pretty cool, yourself.

[Chiffon56]

Now... your "tax break" comment makes no sense... AGAIN. Not all tax breaks are for the rich. Obama wants to give tax breaks to the middle class. McCain's only concern is to keep those huge tax breaks for the wealthy.

[WaffleBakingStar]

Those "huge tax breaks" affect the middle class tax payer. I pointed out its a bigger tax break because they have a higher income.

"You're a child who's trying to defend the Republican way of doing things."

These are adults defending the Democrat's way of doing things:

watch?v=eudy7hy940Y

[JCLIVZ]

"WaffleBakingStar" Please do us all a favor and stop smoking that GOP crack you are on! Chiffon56 just made some excellent arguments about why this current president is not only a war criminal, but a traitor to this country, as well as the Lord above. Stop defending immorally currupt and intellectually inept leaders. I will pray for you. God Bless!!

[WaffleBakingStar]

War criminal?  Don't forget to pray for all the innocent Iranians that died under Hussein. By the way, George Bush's IQ is ~130. IQ isn't a measure of how smart someone is, but I'll point out mine is 157 when I took one at age 9.

How is he a traitor to this country? Remember, he asked Sadam if we could search for WMDs, and he said he didn't have any and declined our inspections.

Lastly, I doubt the Lord above wants us to be sending back His creations if he placed them on poor women.

[Chiffon56]

How about all of the Iraqis who have died since we invaded? How about all of the young Americans who have been killed or wounded? And I DO NOT believe, for a moment, that Dubya's IQ is 130. Where did you get THAT number from? Fox News? Now... Dubya is a traitor because he was intent to go after Saddam no matter what, and he used 9-11 as a excuse to invade Iraq. He insinuated that Iraq was involved, when ALL intelligence said that Saddam had NOTHING to do with the attacks.

[WaffleBakingStar]

Hmm? Look it up yourself.

Also, those Iraqis? They would've died under Hussein.

And... those young Americans? They died for a just cause, God bless them.

That being said, you can't logically support troops without supporting what they are fighting for. My 2 cents, and unlike Chiffon, I won't attack you at the personal level.

[Chiffon56]

WaffleBaker: First of all... how do you know that the same amount of people would have died under Hussein? And those young Americans DID die serving their country, but it wasn't necessary. They mostly died so that Bush could get revenge on Saddam, and so that his friends could make tons of money through companies such as Halliburton, Raytheon, and Blackwater. And I DO support the troops. Don't you tell me that I can't support the troops without supporting the war.

[WaffleBakingStar]

More would die, let's not forget his actions in the Iraq-Iran war, he had WMDs there, how do you know someone who was evading military expection to not have held anymore?

[WaffleBakingStar]

inspection*

Also, I might add the phrase "sectarian violence."

[Chiffon56]

Because all RELIABLE intelligence said that Saddam DIDN'T have WMD. The only source who said that he DID was a drunk named "Curveball", who was a known liar... hence, the name. We went to war SOLELY on the word of an intoxicated pathological LIAR. Ever hear of The Downing Street Memo? Look it up.

[WaffleBakingStar]

reliable meaning CIA talks with HIS FOREIGN MINISTER. okay.

[Chiffon56]

As I said... all RELIABLE sources said that the WMD were gone.

[Chiffon56]

WaffleBaker: The tax breaks to the middle-class are meager compared to the tax breaks that the wealthy get. The average American saves a few hundred dollars, whereas the super-wealthy save tens of thousands of dollars each. That doesn't quite seem fair.

[WaffleBakingStar]

Play the percentage game, everything will make more sense.

1% of 10,0000 < 1% of 412 million

[Chiffon56]

So who's going to pay for our two wars, and for the veterans who return with injuries that will last a lifetime? We don't have enough income from the taxes that are paid NOW. We're borrowing from other countries. Do we just let the debt grow higher and higher? Do we put a higher tax on the poor and/or middle class? Where do we get the money from?

[WaffleBakingStar]

if you take out the tax cuts you will be putting a higher tax on the lower and middle class.

So money is more important than a better world and a safer America. Check.

[Chiffon56]

So where do we get the money from? It doesn't grow on trees. I say that the rich should pay a little more. We have to find the money from somewhere, and obviously a millionaire could afford an increase in taxes more than a poor person could. Do you have a better solution?

[WaffleBakingStar]

Yes, and it's one word: Socialism.

[Chiffon56]

You still haven't answered my question... THEN WHERE DO WE GET THE MONEY FROM??!!!!

[WaffleBakingStar]

First, by stopping Pork-Barrel spending.

Second, those debts aren't paid in a few payment over months, those are extremely low-interest loans. Lastly, we can get money by not putting it on something like the Global Poverty Act. America just needs to get surpluses and slowly pay the debts.

That's how it works.

[Chiffon56]

You can stop the "pork-barrel" spending (MOST of which the Republicans have been responsible for, for YEARS) all you want, but you're not going to save enough to make up the deficit. And Bush is the one throwing millions of dollars at AIDS programs in Africa, so don't go blaming the Dems for all of the money going toward social programs.

[WaffleBakingStar]

It's not 800billion dollars though. Also, opening up drilling doesn't cost anything.

Lastly, our only "reliable" sources PRE-INVASION were in Hussein's cabinet. KThanks.

[Chiffon56]

WaffleBaker: Is there no cost when the environment is destroyed? You're a typical Republican... live for today... fu** the grandkids. Now... AGAIN... we basically went to war with Iraq because a guy named "Curveball" LIED about Saddam's WMD program. The Bush administration "cherry picked". They chose what they wanted to push on us Americans, and ignored the rest. They were looking for any excuse to invade Iraq. Bush decided to take out Saddam the minute he got into office. It's a fact.

[WaffleBakingStar]

Environment? Save a few whales, those areas don't contain any endangered species...

A guy named Curveball? Wow. Look up the facts, even Bill Clinton will tell you at one point there WAS a point where they had WMDs. Now we don't know where it is.

Cherry picking? Like the fact that Al Gore told you everything that helps prove global warming is sped up by our CO2 emissions, without showing you the other side of the issue?

You can't read other people's minds...

[markee871]

thats right kaycem! voting for a republican anyway is a vote for disaster! John Bush Mccain. he doesnt even know geography! "the pakistani-iraq border"

[gyuri2u]

I am not McCain and not for Obama. Today's gallup poll shows McCain 49% Obama 45%. If Hillary Clinton had her RIGHTFUL nomination instead of the circus in Democratic Party, she would have double digit lead over the old man. I suspect that the repukes were behind the huge media push for Obama because they knew Obama will never beat their candidate, while Ms. Clinton would.

[kaycem]

blah blah blah... voting for anyone other than obama is voting for mccain. i supported hilary, too, but the big picture is more important.

[gyuri2u]

my problem with obama is two fold, 1st - obvious inexperience. we just had a

(p)resident in the white house who had the same problem. it killed us in the past 8 years.Of course Obama is not stupid at least. my 2nd problem is that besides inspiring speaches from Obama, I cannot recall a single policy statement i.e."'I will do this&that and I will do it such and such way"So how can one vote for a likable guy if he has got none of the qualities (experience and firm policies) of serious President.

[WaffleBakingStar]

He has an energy plan... that even economists agree is a shot in dim light, not necessarily the dark.

[Chiffon56]

WaffleBaker: What's McCain's energy plan? Drill in the wildlife reserves? We have enough places to drill NOW... the oil companies are just not drilling. Plus we don't have enough refineries. And as far as his "gas tax" holiday goes... those taxes are used to repair bridges and roads. Take away that money and you put construction workers out of work AND put citizens in danger of being victims when the infrastructure collapses. Do you really think that's a GOOD THING? McCain is just pandering.

[WaffleBakingStar]

Open up more places to drill. We do NOT have enough places to drill, most of the spots oil companies haven't drilled on don't have enough oil to effectively sell.

And to pay for Obama's Global Poverty Act.

You make it sound like take away the gas tax will basically ruin our economy. This country doesn't get all its money from one tax.

Plus don't forget, Obama is not willing to use nuclear power.

Everything else Obama is doing, McCain will also do, plus the above.

[Chiffon56]

Wafflebaker: We DO have enough places to drill. Again... do the research. I didn't say that taking away the gas tax would ruin our economy. Read what I wrote, dumbass. And Obama is open to all kinds of alternative energy sources. McCain's been lying in his ads... another reason why I detest the man.

[WaffleBakingStar]

I know what you're talking about. There are spots in the mainland that are open to drilling but oil companies don't drill there.

Oil companies don't drill there because the cost of setting up a pump > money gained from pumping the oil. That's what I said, in an easier way to read. K thanks.

". And Obama is open to all kinds of alternative energy sources." Except Nuclear power, probably one of te best alternatives

"McCain's been lying in his ads" so has Obama. Welcome to politics.

[Chiffon56]

So you're saying that the oil companies aren't making enough money right now? Jesus Christ... how much money do the fu**ers need? They're making record profits these days. Plus, they get all kinds of breaks from the government. We should all have it so rough. BTW... What has Obama lied about?

[WaffleBakingStar]

Saying we shouldn't be investing in Iraq, and that we shouldn't be helping other countries, that the money should be going to the US, but he supports the Global Poverty Act.

Remember, oil companies are a business, like why would say a porn video store franchise put up a branch right next to 7 religious organizations.

[Chiffon56]

WaffleBaker: AGAIN... What has Obama lied about? And your point about the oil companies makes no sense. But that's to be expected. You're a child who's trying to defend the Republican way of doing things. If the oil companies don't want to invest in the land they have now, WHY, in God's name, should we turn over even MORE acreage to them? Hmmmm?

[WaffleBakingStar]

It's a free country, and I already answered what he's lied about. In addition to that, let's not forget how he lied about public financing after realizing it would give him a MAJOR advantage financially.

[Chiffon56]

WaffleBaker: Sorry, Sparky, but you DIDN'T answer the question on what he lied about. And Obama DIDN'T lie about public financing. He IS getting public funding... he's just getting it in a different way... over the internet. McCain would do the same thing, but the only folks who support HIM are big corporations and lobbyists... and 'tards.

[WaffleBakingStar]

You don't know what public financing is. It's a system that both Barack and McCain AGREED to do, but Barack backs off. Barack gets money from Rezco =]

[WaffleBakingStar]

I'm sorry, you can't argue with me because you only use left-extremist propaganda. Let me arm you with some of your propaganda then:

9/11 was staged so we can go into Iraq

Those tapes from Bin Laden were scripted by Bush.

Also, George W. Bush kills Iraqi babies.

=] Helped you in your argument.

[Chiffon56]

Dubya DID use 9-11 as a reason to go into Iraq, even though Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the attacks. The bin Laden family IS close to the Bush family, and I DO believe that our president let Osama get away on purpose. BTW... Why did the Bush administration fly bin Laden's family out of the country on 9-12? Lastly... George W. Bush DOES kill Iraqi babies. He's a fu**ing murderer... as are all of those who voted the moron into office. Satisfied, junior?

[WaffleBakingStar]

Kay.

[WaffleBakingStar]

or Ralph Nader, you know he's still running

[kaycem]

oh, btw... i think a better derogatory name for republicans would be the repuds (pud as in dick, b/c they are total dickheads). ^_^

[grahamkeithtodd]

nice to see that not allamericans are brainwashed into beliving the crap that McCain come out with...

get out there and VOTE!

Obama in 2008!

[scrappy172]

Aww.. doesn't matter, they all work for the same thing. World domination.

[BigBriggsFan]

Mcsame the man with the cane. Old ass man stay your ass home in november.

[WaffleBakingStar]

Makes me LOL.

If you saw how biased they were during Obama's visit where he called Pennsylvanians bitter. They didn't make it sound like he went there for a fund raiser and ran. No.

*sigh* That's San Francisco for you. Sadly, I am only 5 minutes away from that liberal stronghold.

[nan108]

5 minutes away? I live in emeryville -- 5 minutes away from san francisco would put you either in the ocean or the bay, or under the bridge (are you a troll?) or maybe you live in Colma? if you don't like the liberal stronghold, why don't you move to burlingame?

[ngarey]

I hope he doesn't die before the convention... this is going to be a Barack blowout!