Elgaar: Hridaynath Mangeshkar: ushahkaal hotaa hotaa

[rohinijanwadkar]

‘’आम्‍हीच राहावे, नवीन येऊ नये’’ अशा प्रकारची विचारधारा स्‍वच्‍छ, स्‍वस्‍थ आणि व्‍यवस्थित समाजाच्‍या अभियांत्रिकीय रचना आणि विकासासाठी अतिशय घातक आहे. सामाजिक संस्‍कृती ज्‍यांत मानवता, सच्‍चाई, प्रेम, संवेदनशीलता, सहानुभूती आणि माणुसकीचा समावेश आहे तीच सदैव जिवंत व टिकून राहाते, असे मार्गदर्शन महान चिंतक आणि ग़ज़लग़ो श्रद्धेय श्री सुरेश भटांनी अनेकदा आपल्‍या रचने मार्फत मार्गदर्शन केले होते.

[yashox]

hi bipolbo.. thanku very much for uploading this beautiful song by HM. can u pls give me the line.."kasa surya andharachya... on 5:53 onwards...???

wat is the ending word in that line ? can u pls tell me with meaning ?? i will be grateful to u. thankyou.

[SJisBack]

@yashox कसा सूर्य अंधाराच्या वाहतो पखाली !

पखाली =Pakhal means bag ,sack or pouch

I am not sure but "Pakhal" was used to carry water (not for drinking). It was probably made out of animal (cattle) stomach. I have no ideal how it fits in the poem.

[gumnaamsur]

@SJisBack , पखाली वाहाणे, is a proverb, meaning "to be a slave to", coz in earlier days, to transport water in those leather bags (पाखाल) was considered a very demeaning job reserved for slaves.

So in this context, the sun has now become the slave of the darkness, very aptly fitting in to the mood of the song.

[Deeperzone]

Marathi listners are one of the most outdated listeners..The world has gone ahead at least 100 years in terms of sound but we are still in the premitive stages..keep it up

[jabasong]

Can you elaborate/clarify about your 'ahead atleast 100 years' and how Marathi listeners are outdated?

[nvilas]

AJOBA "DEEPERZONE" tumhi 100 varsha purvi hota ka??? tya kalli kay sangit hota te aikayla?? lololol

what exactly u mean? can u explain? what do u want to listen us ??

we have/had the singers in marathi who can sing upto the "shruti" clearly. what do you mean by " sound"

[Deeperzone]

Do you know how many shrutis are there in Indian music???Please tell me.You may not be matured enough to understand the differance and meaning of the word 'sound' cause it requires international exposure of music.Please be happy in your PREHISTORIC conventional and repetetive music.The day you understand that its not anything to do with these great masters like Hridaynathji,its about the progress of Marathi music..but keep on doing this.

[bipolbo]

I would sincerely like to know your point of view since I could not understand what you are trying to say.

[shoonnya]

i vaguely get what you are saying and as far as i get it, i tend to agree...I even would go one step further and say that Hridaynath was an only attempt to take it a little forward (Jait Re Jait/ Nivdunga/Meera/Ghalib were all experiments) but then ppl like Shridhar Phadke, Salil Kulkarni have taken it back in terms of "sound"..one example is that NO "JUDGE" ADVISES ON SRGMP LIKE PROGS TO LISTEN TO MAKEBA, NAT KING COLE OR ANY GREATS FROM THE WORLD.. they are so narrow and happy in themselves.

[bipolbo]

@shoonnya. I understand what you are saying, but do remember that most of HM's tunes are a. based on rAgdArI or folk music, b. rehashes of his father's tunes. I don't quite see how or where he has 'taken things forward'. It's just that the Phadkes have stayed more true to the classical music. But longevity of music should determine its quality, not necessarily a different sound. Hard to say 'rap' has taken music forward!

[shoonnya]

I am sorry but I beg to differ. A lot of HM's music was original and it was his genius that made it sound folk etc..His contribn to Marathi music is unparalleled in my opinion. songs like Ti Yete were unique (a poem in "MuktaChhanda").. lesser known ones in Jait Re Jait were unique and choice of poetry was even more remarkable. HM single handedly made poets like Grace/Mahanor accessible to "Junta"..And his take on the "Santa Kaawya" was unique..even if now it has become too well known..

[amogh27]

I think you are an idiot Deeperzone. Listener's are never technical; we just listen to what soothes our ears. And let me tell you Marathi songs (until 80's) are the most difficult songs to emulate as compared to even Hindi songs from the same era as most of them need classical background experience.

[patmahi]

ushahkaal hotaa hotaa - maja nahi aali. something is missing.

[dayaldesh]

breath control is missing at an age of 72 - if you would say that.

But I still find Hridaynath Mangeshkar's voice amazing

[bipolbo]

This is a rebroadcast of an older program, telecast soon after Suresh Bhat's demise. Note how young everyone looks, esp the musicians. HM's hair is longer and he is bigger in size too.

[dayaldesh]

Yes that could be.

But, the original song had Asha and a chorus which Hridaynath is trying to achieve all by himself. He was losing his breath, as a result.

[shoonnya]

@dayaldesh yes!! Hridaynath has a uniquely sweet yet masculine voice...along with a typical "Mangeshkar" type "zhaalaa-like" tonal quality which is common and pronounced in Lata, Usha and Hridayanath and slightly less in Asha. His is one of the most pleasing voice in male singers that i have heard...

[JagtapD]

Bipalbo, manal buwa aaplyala. Zee TV chi swari faate kelyavar aapan morcha aata ETV kade valavlaat. Gud hai... :)