Judaism, Christianity or Islam: Which is the True Legacy of Abraham? ( 2nd Rebuttal - 4 of 5 )

[auzer1000]

Where is the Qur'an with 111 surahs? LMFAO !!! hahaha

[CDX89treme]

/watch?v=Txp8LhL56rU&feature=f­eedu

[MHMDNAZEL]

there is only 1 Quran.. no different versions.. total 114 chapters.. dont know wherethe christian speaker 111 or 116..

fear factor in Quran is a warning to the unheedful . GOD is not helpless against them

[EternalGreen2012]

the messiah, didnt come to controll and posess us, and make us into Robots, Shmuley has a backwards idea of it. Why would the messiah come and be just a evil and controlling as the dictators of history! I beleive that the messiah will return when humanity, is mature enough to evolve and no longer kill anyone!

[Curiousquest2]

Rabi is confused and does not have ground to argue on the debats.

[ogilby5]

The word muslim literarily means submission to god, all prophets were submitters to the will of god , so they all were muslims,

[herself311]

@ogilby5 no it doesn't. It means violence-proven fact.

[herself311]

Islam turns humans into Monsters!!!

[Pieishman]

@herself311 Judaism and Islam are basicly the same thing

[herself311]

@Pieishman You can't mean Jews stone people for adultry, have only male witnesses for a woman, chop off their believers and others heads off... Jews progressed, muslims have not.

[kingofheartsxyz]

@herself311

and i will turn ur mouth into asshole

[herself311]

@kingofheartsxyz Please, tell us how you are violently going to do that to me on youtube?  I would like to make preparation. You should stop sitting on your face, first.

[tryingtobegood1]

@herself311 lol you just told Peishman, that the reason why Jews have left the practice of stoning behind is because they are more progressive? what does being progressive mean to you? to DENY the word of your lord? my god, are you seriously that silly, do you think you cna just pick and chose things form the bible and torah? no wonder christianity has so many innovations in it. ANY REAL JEW or CHRISTIAN or MUSLIM will stand by word for word what his scripture tells them.

[tryingtobegood1]

@tryingtobegood1 let me break it down for you, you seem a bit lost 1. what makes a Jew a Jew? Torah 2. What makes a Christian a Christian? Bible 3. Whats makes a Muslim a Muslim? Qur'an 4. where do they get their beliefs from? their respective scriptures 5. in each religion what is an innovator? one who makes things up 6. what is an apostate in these 3 FAITHS? one who blasphemes, one who leaves the relgion 7. who are you (herself311)? an apostate/blasphemer/innovator according to your own

[tryingtobegood1]

by the way herself311, what makes you think i deny Islam? if Islam says apostates should be put to the death then i BELIEVE IT, you know why? because i am not confused, i believe in my religion. i am a true believer, i can not deny Allah, my love. so please try that nonsense "you cant deny it because its in the quran"nonsense somewhere else, nobody over here is denying the qur'an.

[tryingtobegood1]

so if you want to call muslims violent for believing in their book, then you will also have to call christians and jews lost and confused for claiming to be christians and jews yet denying their scriptures. and if you do not want to call christians and jews lost and confused then you have to admit according to your own beliefs and standards the jews and christians are just as violent as muslims because their scriptures call for the same thing as Islam.

[tryingtobegood1]

but you know what Islam is not a violent religion? Islam is the most peaceful relgion, like i said i gave you a CHALLENGE which you have ignored, i asked you to bring me a single verse from the Quran where it inforces violence unjustly, you have failed to do so, i guess when i told you not to take anyting out of context(in terms of text and historically) it threw you off, you couldnt get to pull that old trick Islam haters do by pulling out verses from their context. my challenge is still open!

[sailor4991]

@tryingtobegood1 u talking to yourself

[tryingtobegood1]

@herself311 hats quiet an imagination, the same that would make a human being believe that 1+1+1= 1, the same that would make a human being believe their is no god at all.

may i see examples of this from the qur'an? i warn you, dont take any verses out of their context, i know how to bring tricksters into line. do not bring a verse without reading what is before it or after, nor bring in any verse without studying its historical context.

so bring me a example from the beautiful Qur'an.

[herself311]

@tryingtobegood1  Tell you what, No Jew, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist and so on, will chop off your head if for leaving their religion. Pretty nice? Well not for muslims/islam means violence and it's in the koran-fact. You know it and we all know it. You do know, you have to fight us all and we out number you 100 fold. Muslims carry on with killing each other. Allah akbar

[tryingtobegood1]

@herself311 no please DO NOT tell me anything...i reapeat DO NOT tell me anything, it is very evident you are ignorant.

the punishment for blaspheming in JUDAISM IS THE DEATH PENALTY....sotning to DEATH....you might as well disapear now that you have been proven ignorant lol. in CHristianity apostates were killed during the middle ages, but i know what your resposnse will be..oh "we dont do that now"....but why not? why does your relgiion change with every decade?

[MrDuano100]

All of us have sinned and Jesus is the answer. Jesus is mentioned both in the koran and has alot of references in the torah. JESUS is the son of the living God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Hes not the God of the Jews only because Adam was not a Jew and we all come from Adam and Eve. God chose Israel to be his people and to be a light to the world at that time...however they didnt do a good job and Jesus came to die for us and to be that great light for our example to follow.

[Pieishman]

@MrDuano100 Jesus has no refferance in the Torah whatsoever.

[ABYARE]

U don't read ur bible? Jesus himself says i was sent to the 12 tribes of israel not to the genetiles or sumaritans. ok . bible says " O CHILDREN OF ISREAL? NOT " O MANKIND? LIKE THE QUR'AN?

[b2bb55]

@ABYARE thats so damn true lol ..but christians are jews wannabes LOL ..the idiot will always be an idiot no matter what ..ISLAM wins !!!

[alsananick]

this arrogance of jews puts me of..they claim they have the true legacy, but they dont invite anyone.the legacy belongs to them we are all gentiles.

[ABYARE]

Hey, Rabi. u are talking of condemning violance by muslims how a bout Jews burrying palestenian kids with buldozers? Actually palestenians were the brothers who welcomed U after Hitler expelled u from German, and now they are ur slaves in there on land. U don't feel ashamed of ur self talking a bout violance?

[Pieishman]

@ABYARE wow, you obviously dont know much about history

[thetrigger100]

@ABYARE palestinians never welcomed jews... NEVER!!! idiot

[saulboyjt]

@ABYARE

The muslims have a history of death and violence and destruction they have brought on humanity.

The Jews on the other hand are defending themselves from vicious muslim attackers who have more land then anyone in this world.

So stop with this shitty and disgusting unfounded comparisons, youre not making any sense.

There was never a palestine, but Israel is the most famous nation in the whole world.

[DrXoz]

@saulboyjt I suggest you to take a look at the first part or the second where the Rabbi himself said Muslims and the Jews were living as brothers in the past.

Second you are forgetting the Old Testament which should take the price for the violent book ever!

[dustinortega]

No Jews will not be burned eternally Christians are Jews the same can probably be said about Islam. I'm a Christian and I love everybody it doesn't matter and I'm sure if you understood life it shouldn't matter. We're all created equally and we all deserve a little more respect from each other.

[metalic699]

one two punch from Rabbi Shmuly haha

[s6jjy123]

romans created christianity so christians tried to kill jesus ...now they say he died for they're sins ...lol

[786jjjjjj786]

hahah

[Thecooldude303]

i think shabir won this round

[Essincy]

Rabbi was on point, he laid a smack down

[vaea46]

not to be sad, this Rabbi, doesnt no much - and tries to hide it, but telling jokes. there is another Rabbi, that should be up here- Rabbi Yozzi Mizrachi, hes the man

[truthhitmanisback]

Isaiah chapter 53 says that "he will see his seed." This means his children.

[PikeBeth]

Islam speaks only of its own ego

[fopower]

@PikeBeth what the hell?

[shaby83]

very simple to understand who is the last prophet and you ll find the answer is there any more prophets after muhamed AS just ask yourself clearly and you ll find the answer

thank you

aselamu alejkum

[zaak2008]

i swear the god created heaven and earth .........ISLAM legacy of abraham..... and last religion who wanna take islam to be his or her religion or not  is up to you people........asalamu allekum

[funkasation]

ill make a deal with you... i find 5 mistakes in ure quran u convert u find 1 mistake in my torah i convert

[jaycrazyman]

@funkasation heres one no can just convert to Judaism,

[Pieishman]

@zaak2008 Judaism, Islam and Christianity are basicly the same thing

[EliasCrowe]

These videos are awesome.

I heard a rumor that if we "break down the walls between faiths" the world will end.

[bravenstrong18]

The Hell fire is only for Devil and His demons. The judgement of God for mankind including the church will be the Great Tribulation. Crazy how they have fake or should I say converted Jewish people representing Judaism. Hebrews are African.

[AriaAzeri]

I wonder why in this conference there was not other religions representatives! i.e. Zartosht, Buddha, Bahais etc None of you believe in each others religion so please don't tell me because you don't believe in them they are true religions.

[dragonlordx1]

Ummm, maybe its because Buddhism and Hinduism are not Abrahamic faiths. This debate was about the 3 Abrahamic Faiths. Judaism-Christianity-Islam.

[crawlersilverwind]

These 3 faiths have there own common ground. I think these 3 different faiths shares the legacy of Abraham.

The problem is Evil infiltrate these faiths that's why they have division now.

SATAN wants us to fight each other to mislead to confuse so we will be his slaves.

All FAITH must unite. Go back where, what, how, when, satan infiltration happend.

We are all in one faith.

[leporidus]

If we all suddenly became devout satanists, we'd be all in one faith, indeed. Then, what else would there be for Satan to do? Sounds like a plan, no?

Or we could... oh right: accept that all religion is man-made and at least become agnostics or "weak" atheists. This is the path I've chosen.

[Pieishman]

@crawlersilverwind agreed

[Theysee35]

The LORD JESUS is the TRUE LIVING GOD..I have EXPERIENCED HIM ALIVE PERSONALLY.Although most be UNbeleiving because they have NOT EXPERIENCE GOD PERSONALLY.But that will change once you have that Supernatural Experience that people of Ancient times experienced themselves.You can play DENIAL & RATIONALIZATIONS Games but that will make your seeking time longer.Just Pray and ask personally you want the REAL TRUTH NOT cheap imitations.Seek GOD with a Clean heart & motives(Divine Requirements).

[stabby321]

if its by experience and not logic then thats not very fair is it. God gave us a brain that uses logic for us to through that away and just believe even tho it doesnt make sense then y did god give us a brain in the first place. if its by experience then some may/not experience it then that too isnt fair.

[Ghassan3052006]

1.Jesus taught the oneness of God (Mark 12:29-30, Matthew 22:37 and Luke 10:27), as conveyed in the first commandment (Exodus 20:3). Nowhere did he declare the Trinity.

[Ghassan3052006]

2.Jesus declared himself a man and a prophet of God (see above), and nowhere claimed divinity or divine sonship. Which creed are the above points more consistent with—the Trinitarian formula or the absolute monotheism of Islam?

[stabby321]

y r u telling me that o_O

[ranger1360]

thats not in there holy books.

[almao2006]

I Dont unt´derstand SHABIR

Why did he not give Example of the atrocity barbarian Killing of civil Palestinien since 60 Year by the the ISREALIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hassan691987]

GOD is your Lord. Jesus (peace be upon him) was His messenger

[jaed123]

Mashallah Brother Shabir is amazing..what is the different btw mentioning it 1 time or 100 times the bottom point is according to the christians we are going to hell if we are not christians doesnt matter if u mention is 1 or 10000000 times ..so much for the christian guy's argument that the quran mentioned fire or hell more than the NT.

[hassan691987]

they are supported by the US. and some are even secular, except saudi arabia of coarse, and iran which is not supported by the US but under the shah it sure was. lets see theres egypt, morocco, iraq under saddam in the 80s, turkey, i could go on forever but dont suscribe politics of muslim nations to our core belief system and islam as a whole, because 9 out of 10 of the times u are wrong

[hassan691987]

so all this talk about judaism not glorifying men or specific tribes cannot be true.

i dont think i have to "rebutt" the christian since my brother Shabir Ally and the jewish rabbi done it well enough, except obviously the jew's remarks about Jesus (pbuh), like him not being the Messiah. but here is one thing:

1. christian man, true alot of muslim nations have repressive and corrupt leaders, but who are most of them supported by?

[hassan691987]

6. if "judaism" is the real legacy of Abraham (pbuh) why wasnt he a Jew? his religion was Islam so in that case Islam WAS on the scene, just not in its complete form as it became with Muhammed (peace and blessings be upon him). since judaism gets its name from "a man" how can it be God's religion, especially when Abraham (pbuh) was praying to God before Judah came around.

[SubZero7th]

Jews believe that Abraham (pbuh) was a Noaḥide while Muslims believe that he was a Ḥanīf. Essentially, they both agree that he was a strict monotheist who spoke against polytheism and idolatry. Judaism is a term that came much later.

[tongueincheek81]

poor argument dude. if you can say islam "was on the scene, just not in its complete form," then jews can equally say "judaism was on the scene, just not in its complete form." both statements would be equally vapid and unpersuasive. you can't redefine islam for each period in each culture as it suits you. you're not going to win by semantics.

[hassan691987]

u obviously dont get what ISLAM means. ISLAM is the natural way for all of God's creation. everything in nature submits to God's will. as are muslims, so yea in fact abraham WAS a muslim, who couldnt have been a jew or a christian. these names were given by man, where as ALLAH Allmighty gave us the name ISLAM as the proper name for His religion. religion belongs to GOD not man

[tongueincheek81]

good job contradicting yourself. "ISLAM is the natural way for all of God's creation. everything in nature submits to God's will." Therefore...Jews and Christians and pagans are all Muslims, according to your definition. Which only shows the absurdity of the definition in the first place.

[almao2006]

Rape and Baby Killing (Isaiah 13:15)

Kill All of Babylon(Jeremiah 50:21-22)

Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.(Deuteronomy 22:23-24)

Death(stoning) to the Rape Victim(Deuteronomy 22:23-24

[tongueincheek81]

why is this a response to me?

[Ghassan3052006]

4.Jesus made pilgrimage for the purpose of worship, as all Orthodox Jews aspire to do. The Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca is well known, and is alluded to in the Bible (see The First and Final Commandment).

[tongueincheek81]

Jesus never made a pilgrimage to Mecca. Mecca is never alluded to in the Bible

[Ghassan3052006]

3.Jesus fasted for more than a month at a time (Matthew 4:2 and Luke 4:2), as did the pious before him (Exodus 34:28, I Kings 19:8), and as do Muslims in the annual fast of the month of Ramadan.

[tongueincheek81]

Muslims don't fast for 40 days and 40 nights. And many religions have periods of fasting. Was Jesus a Bahai or Buddhist? Poor argument for proving Jesus was a Muslim

[Pieishman]

@tongueincheek81 how could Jesus possibly be Muslim if it wasnt created until 700 years after his death?

[Pieishman]

@hassan691987 How was Abraham Muslim if it didnt start until 3000 years after his death?

[tryingtobegood1]

@Pieishman tell me how abraham was Jewish when the word dint exist then? and then look up what "muslim" means. now tell me what Abraham would say if at the time a man asked him what he is? Abrahams response would be that he is one who submits fully to the will of the ONE god, so Abraham was a muslim NOT "Jewish", this is not even  real word, this is an innovation.

[hassan691987]

4. the muslims wouldnt mind Israel, if its existence wasnt at the expense of another people whose right to exist is denied, not to mention them being slaughtered on a daily basis.

5. if judaism is so great why doesnt it allow converts? a true religion of God must be universal.

[SubZero7th]

Actually, Judaism does allow converts, but Jews believe that non-Jews are not obligated to convert. I would check out the user omedyashar, a Jew who used to be a Christian. According to Jewish belief, the Noahide Laws are assigned to the non-Jews. From what I understand, Islam is considered by some Jews to be a "Noahide religion".

[hassan691987]

3. The united states spreading democracy? Chomsky 101, the US has NEVER been a force for democracy, rather its opposing force when its interests were challenged, and what are its interests? no different than that of the romans, or the nazis for that matter, u talk about the romans being a brutal occupation force, what about ISRAEL? which is basically a US military satellite in the middle east. i wont go on about the US record of violence and intervention, too long.

[hassan691987]

i agree with the jewish guy EXCEPT:

1. God has no religion. if He didnt have a religion what was the point of His Word and Laws and Worship? for mankind to worship and submit to Him with no partners is His religion, i.e. Islam

2. True actions are great and important but they are by no means the only criteria for when one will be judged. a faith in 1 God is essential. where christians go on the other extreme, judaism goes to the other.

[hassan691987]

talkin crap about palestinians..like theyre not tortured right