Dubai is a bad idea - a debate

[xjohnnyxriverra]

dam now they trying to break down uae....just like they did to iraq...

[CarCriticAssessor]

Of course, too, this sort of thing goes un-reported in New York, Los Angeles and other US and, too, European cities: this kind of garbage means that the Sheik should be made to drudge for 90 days ... to get a feel for it all: USER-DOOM; sick demented filth; utterly, criminal behavior against God's ultimate creation -- if you will -- humanity. Dubai dude says he thinks they have fostered a problem WTF; by the way, those being used are mostly of Indian origin -- not a gene pool to under-estimate!

[Arabioso]

tim sebastian is hilarious! one of the greatest to host a show!

[mmary952]

@TheHEADonWHEELS How stupid you are. Why don't you shut your mouth, sore loser. You are more stupid than you think. So debate with you is waste of time. LOL

[mmary952]

@TheHEADonWHEELS That's the point. You were here! huh but you were kicked out hahahah, that is why you are so bitter! you should tell me at the beginning!! ofcourse Dubai is not a place for idiot and jealous people. Sit in your Europe and suck your finger cause there is no job for you there and high cost, no luxury. People usually get what they deserve!!!!!!!!!!!!! hurray

[mmary952]

@TheHEADonWHEELS Again I repeat. No where specially london , paris ,NY has the luxury and comfortable and great life as Dubai. So don't argue with me cause nothing absolutely nothing you can say to convince otherwise.

And I told you earlier, I am Iranian not Arab. An Iranian who had been almost all over the world and felt bored! and couldn't wait to get back to Dubai, U.A.E

[mmary952]

@TheHEADonWHEELS HAHA, Believe me swear you made me laugh deeply, tnx. I think those people who think the love for a city or country is ridiculous are very wrong and they themselves are fool to have such an idea, hahaha. No problem you stick to your london and I stick to my Dubai. For your information you can not compare the economy of Dubai with london. If you had good economy your people wouldn't compete to come to Dubai! and if your economy was good then why you had the recent disaster?!

[mmary952]

@TheHEADonWHEELS My friend, you made my day by making me laugh from the bottom of my heart. I haven't been laughing for a long time. tnx. Unfortunately I have to travel to your london next month for business purpose, I really don't want to go there as I feel sad the moment they gave me visa. I was hoping my visa to be rejected that at least have an excuse not to go. Meanwhile all five fingers are not the same; you love london and I love Dubai. So what?!!

[mmary952]

@TheHEADonWHEELS That is your opinion. As I mentioned earlier , I had been in many places around the world specially the places which you have mentioned. That is why I said Dubai is the best comparing to other part of the world. The life style, the safety, the luxuries, kindness, humanity. If you see Dubai as a ghost town !!! then I really don't know what to say!. London specially recently with all the troubles inside+ cold city, jobless, boring. non-friendly and as well as 2 other places

[thedudefromthehood]

This should not be debated on. History proved that Capitalism works great at the beginning, becomes even greater and better after some time, but then when any economical crisis strikes it, it fails badly, and in an ugly way. Capitalism does not work, end of story.

[nowhit10]

LACK OF TRANSPARENCY.....ie, SHUT UP...

[karlsmith00]

WHY DOES THIS HOST CONSTANTLY INTERRUPT THE PANEL MEMBERS WHEN THEY ARE TRYING TO ANSWER?

if you ask a question, let them respond. what a dumb bald bitch.

[Thebeastcalledmydong]

God the proposition consists of such a bunch of douches... taking everything personally and out of proportion.

[amirzubairmughal]

@MrGaySpartan ,,they also have gold mines ,, for next turn

[arrowhead9000]

@MrGaySpartan

"ARABS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO HANDLE MONEY,PERIOD" ... says the guy from Greece lol

PS: Note how your country is burning down while neighbor/nemesis Turkey is the fastest growing economy with territory in Europe?

[karlsmith00]

@arrowhead9000 turkey is in asia minor. it's not a european country, and it never will be. and if that's true, tell the turks in germany to go back there.

[arrowhead9000]

@karlsmith00 I said "fastest growing economy with territory in Europe" which includes Turkey, Russia, and even Kazakhstan. And you can tell the Turks over there whatever you want loser, I live in New England USA

[karlsmith00]

@arrowhead9000 TURKEY ISN'T IN EUROPEAN TERRITORY, DUMB BITCH. IT'S IN ASIA MINOR. can you read?

and kazahkstan doesn't have any territory in europe either. it's in central asia. get a fucking map and pull your head out of your ass. you should go live in turkey if you think it's so great.

[mmary952]

@arrowhead9000 My friend if Turkey is booming today please do not forget that the amount of 18.5 billion dollar were seized from Iranian government who stole from it's nation to pass it to terrorist (hassan nasrola). Turkey asked world monetory for 10billion dollar as a loan with interest and now they have 18.5 billion without interest. Pls don't get me wrong here I don't blame Turkey as this is their country and most of the government worldwide think of their people and country except IRAN!!

[mmary952]

Madame Shahla shame on you. Definitely you are not originally Emarati. I am Iranian and have been living in U.A.E for the last 20 years. I have been traveling all over the world I should say Dubai is one of the best with a lot of safety. Rulers really truely are patriots and do their best for their country vice-versa to some other countries. Look to Iran. See how the rulers destroy such a beautiful country and make Iran and the whole world unsafe!! Lady, open your eyes.

[mmary952]

SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE! Starting with the british man. If Dubai is finished, why british compete and raced to be in Dubai by all means?!! you as british are sucking people's blood and do what? Today the whole world knows about your policies. Now you lady. Don't you feel shame?

Dubai is open border; whoever don't like can leave. Why stay and criticise. I am Iranian hv been here for 20 years. You should live in Iran to understand the meaning of ruler's lies! cruelity, lack of freedom.

[MUDSWAT]

Don't worry Just like all great Civilizations this one too will Fall.... The Oil will run out and you'll all go Broke.... I suggest taking your "Oil Money" and spending it on Oil Alternatives Development !! Not crazy Hotels and Tourist Attractions... If your a big Dubai Oil Trader or Building Investor and your reading this Trust Me and Heed the warnings I give... Take your money and invest in Oil Alternatives !! You need way's to employ the little people not more places the Rich can hang.

[Ayoobmarafie]

@MrGaySpartan I smell envy

[blackstars56]

@MrGaySpartan I agree that Dubai lacks culture, it looks very reminiscent of the typical Western country. However your assertion that Arabs(as if they're all confined inDubai) have nol culture is just ridiculous and absurd.

[SuperVash01]

ive been in dubai for 2 years trust me the local of dubai wch is 98% is crazy!

[agolakchub]

Dubai before 2005 boom was HEAVEN. Post real-estate boom, it lost its soul to money and ego. It seems that they have learned this important lesson and will keep going.

[Knight222able]

Those damn arab leaders make non westerns ( inculding local citizens) to get paid WAY less than Western workers.

[Dgrainboy]

09:46

How about israel as an exaple of making everithing from nothing in the middle east!

[mrgimp420]

As an American used to braindead puppet debates....I am SHOCKED to see a moderator ask hard questions and rail against EVERY guest. lol!!!  In the states they coddle every one and act like no one is ever lying or incompetent.

[ibenzawla]

@mrgimp420 Those of us that are used to listening to BBC World Service are familiar with this kind of questioning. Journalism here in the US is a shame

[neverfearchrisishere]

@ibenzawla Agreed.  After living in the US for a year I've learned that the only thing that journalism over here is good at is making me want to repeatedly bang my head against a brick wall. US mainstream journalism is invariably biased and has been dumbed down to the point where it lacks any intellectual content.

[SultanAD1]

one of the most debates i enjoyed. Kanoo knows his stuff and moderator is one of the best i have seen

[sewagedweller]

No industry , no future  ,end of story .

[whitemagick4]

the founder of the first initiative for human rights in Dubai is an American? that says a lot about the UAE..

[Blueformdesign]

There seems to be a serious lack of empathy in the world these days. Why can't we all agree on the basic premise that we protect at least the woman and children from the predators of the world? I'm tired of hearing about the abuse of woman in the world and yet nothing is ever done by those that could. This guy just talk right through this woman, very disrespectful. I think she held her composure well. The host comes off as very pompous and arrogant.

[aniketranade]

Lol...I love the stupid american bitch who calls UAE 'my country'.....all arab men over there must be lookin at each other goin...'Is this white bitch high??'....LMAO!

[dalson00]

Arab beduins don't know how to talk to civilized people

[DarkReapersGrim]

Awesome debate. Mishal Kanoo, had some good arguments, even though I disagreed with him on the issue of passing on the human rights responsibility to corporations. There were some good arguments raised by him, including the environmental issue 44:45, that was entertaining.

[youngbuck189]

Financial economies are false economies, built on tricking people into believing in money, and then finding any way possible to invent more money for the few to squabble over. Dubai I am not impressed.

[eleven451]

AT 36:00 she was refering to the eastern european hoes in and around the city not the locals, the questioner and the other arab guy are thinking that the locals are made into sex slaves which is completely untrue.

[eleven451]

What is this how come i see the host questioning UAE's political system when Qatar has got an identical system and how is show airing, i mean how does the government allow such a show to run. W

What is happening in Qatar ?

[eleven451]

what where are the comments

[ed291]

You see when Simon Jenkins finished his introduction, those who clapped seem to be non Arabs lol

[kayesti]

Duh-Bye, you got what you wanted !!!

[n8dogg3000]

Death To Nilo723! Long Live America!

[2Benzene2]

Down Dubai.

[ayman2b]

Dubai should take a break

[ZilverGalacticon]

Don't want to say that It was all arranged, nor do I want to say that the structure of this debate sucked.

What I want to say is... The two dudes supporting this bubble kept comparing it with other country's in the middle east.

But what was THEIR model???

It was something like this.

Lets wait for a visionary guy who will aim to improve our city and then follow him blindly.

thats what I understand.

[mahyarmohaghegh]

the moderator is really good, I like him

[DubWoodcock]

The woman on the panel makes herself look kind of dumb here, by ranting and getting all worked up. People will never evolve socially as fast the economy, epically with the business boom that was/is present in Dubai. The idea that human rights laws would change as fast as the buildings being put up by western companies who exploit these laws is ridiculous.

[Almutairi999]

dubai is gay, saudi arabia is better, we aint that abitious and we still have the biggest economy in the arab world and we get more tourist than egypt does and dubai combined thats funny considering how conserative saudi culture is.

[yunaas101]

@Almutairi999 well hajj is their isn't all muslim want to visit because of medina and mecca if it wasnt that i dont think you will get money people and egypt is growing very fast it will pass you soon cause it is huge population i dont know per capital but definitely gdp

[Almutairi999]

saudi has higher gdp and gnp than egypt

[yunaas101]

@Almutairi999 yes it does but egypt is growing very fast and they are more higly educated phd than saudi egyptians are smarter than khaleji arabs but again it is not about egypt vs saudi they are all arab muslim

[Almutairi999]

egyptians are smarter khaleji arabs? maybe u need to get educated dumb prick who said khaleeji arabs i said saudi, and your trying to say all egyptians are albert einstein compared to all saudis....your generallising everybody and you need to be shot in the back of the head with a 20 gauge for that.

[sircesare]

this is a stupid debate no reason to debate such a thing which one ruler will make the decisions...

[fahaddozer]

i dont think dubai is a bad idea but i think the Prostitution in dubai is ruin the country ...and the gov sould act

[cruzdt]

off topic, 8:19 wins

[raffles70]

if your a woman dont go here you get treated like shit you have no rights so be very aware

[unorthodoxcs1]

Why is dubai's econimic plan, value, and worth agruing? Are there not more important issues that convey themselves across the world? Is dubia a threatining country? Regardless of its sink or float i must be indifferent. None the less i find this debate interesting.

[egolayer13]

I turned this off when the British chap said, "I'm a passionate and devoted Capitalist. . . all these things ought to go without saying."

[shurednichso]

Im quite impressed by the moderation.

[magnoid]

all things being equal, look at the panelists. A foreigner and an arab expatriate woman on one side, and two arab men on the other. Who would the arab audience vote for just on those attributes alone?

[AndroidPolitician]

Yay lets praise capitalist dictatorships like China or Pinochet-era Chile I mean they "worked" as a free-market which is the only thing the moderator seems to care about.

[SiouxSyndicate]

DUBAI is a boring place without graffiti..cause they hate life hehe.

Fkked up shit

[danbagheri]

So the motion determined that Dubai was in fact a good idea.

[carrsguide]

I would prefer to live in an imaginative and 'can do' environment like Dubai. Than in this miserable open door to immigration and freeloading nonsense of a country I do now,

[Sotocron]

so dubei has some kinks to work out so what. so did America when it started out. we had civil right issues and labor problems but it still prospered. I think the real problem is that no one wants to see a MUSLIM COUNTRY develope instead wed all love to see the successful arab country just wither in the wind and die out. I for one hope they succeed and prosper but I would love to see these countries work on a lot of anti terrorist issues and human rights.

[jotunobsidianeyes]

Had?

[sinekonata]

@Sotocron

USA is not a country I'd like to live in anyways I don't call it prosper.

And we'd love to see all arab countries have awesome education, health, durable green economy for EVERYONE but certainly not the frantic capitalist jungle that Dubai is now where only the "fittest" can climb to the top and where the rest can only "dream" of it and shut up about it...

[henchman696]

One more thing aren't debate moderators supposed to be neutral.He goes in attacks both sides but mostly that pro-Dubai side. What a douche.

[henchman696]

Moderator is an idiot. "Its wonderous" what a dick.What Dubai is is subsidized.the U.A.E had to bail it out in Feb 2009 at a cost of 10 billion.And just few months later (Dec. 2009) Abu Dhabi had again as it as done many times before prop up Dubai.They are even naming the new tower after the Abu Dhabi's leader as appreciation for saving their ass once again.

[lordblazer]

the moderator was out of line the entire debate. His questions shouldn't hold bias... I dunno he failed. This debate is a farsh.

[jak1428]

dubai is a nasty shit hole build on slavery and debt...

[kmarinas86]

31:00 - 32:25

Wow, this guy does not care at all what this woman says!

[mikfax]

This guy needs an Oscar for being the most annoying moderator in the world. I have never wanted to shoot someone before, but this stupid pommy is making it hard for me.

[jak1428]

@mikfax

well, you'd better kill those ragheads first...

[charlessmyth]

Dubai simply demonstrates that markets never fail to weed out those acting on poor judgement and/or hubris. Albert Speer Jr. is cited as saying (Der Spiegel) that many of Dubai's buildings, post-2003, will have to be demolished within ten years because they are poorly constructed and have no purpose. As per George Gilder's 'The Israel Test', Dubai has concentrated on the wrong underpinnings to build up wealth in the UAE, for when the oil and gas run out.

[Ijustasking]

The moderator is annoying he talks TOO MUCH. He should step back a let the panel talk instead of interupting them every 10 seconds!!

[CaptainBluebear08]

DEFEAT THE GREED, DELETE THE ELITE.

[hamidious]

Dubai is a bad idea. It is not a beacon of hope, it's just a city where the already wealthy in the world can get richer.

With all it's excesses, it is a place for the rich to be happy and the poor to work hard to meet ends meet. It hasn't contributed to the betterment of Emarati's as well, all the development and experience is made without much involvement from the Emaratis or the Arabs.

[mundo77]

UFC un Dubai in April 2010.

They are doing it right.

Suck it haters!

[BrutusAlbion]

This debate is pointless.

It has been debated countless times before in history. It is a historical fact that kapitalism run free, runs amock and crashes pitifully. It demands some form of market regulation because the system has the inherent problem of overextending itself. Dubai is a concept which works quite well, the problem is that they overextended themselves too fast and too much, add a crisis and ur boned.

[Fukkutah]

Dubai is a bad idea for it was inevitable for Russian money laundering which found a hub in Dubai to drive in Russian mafia, with its obvious connections to Israel and Mossad, and eventually things like murder and assassination as well as fatal hits to the economy will take place so that Jewish bankers could then move in and buy that economy for cents on the dollar as history showed us in post Waterloo battle and the great depression in the united states.

[Xzibillion]

Dubai is a bad idea for it was inevitable for Russian money laundering which found a hub in Dubai to drive in Russian mafia, with its obvious connections to Israel and Mossad, and eventually things like murder and assassination as well as fatal hits to the economy will take place so that Jewish bankers could then move in and buy that economy for cents on the dollar as history showed us in post Waterloo battle and the great depression in the united states.

[ZilverGalacticon]

@Xzibillion

WOW!!!, seems like somebody been searching around ;-)

[uziel187]

The city is responsible for the company, as the company has an obligation for the city, to maintain the city. Cities should be on top to make sure, that a better health and benefit of the people is required.

[taxisgay12]

I thought the term "camel jockey" was just a figurative ignorant insult not an actual degrading practice.People,if you can call them that,with excessive power seem to be degenerate accross the board.

[unorthodoxcs1]

i think that woman is just about as dumb as a door nail. There is injustice anywhere you go. It will always be so.

[boysdontcry17]

43:15

good point, i thought the question the lady asked was offensive in its ignorance

[sinekonata]

The dude making "the point" said himself that people in SUVs in Dubai are "the Europeans"... Which Europeans are you talking about?... Furthermore you could ask which "companies" which "workers" and on and on.

That was actually the same as saying "shut up, a foreigner woman has no say in this"

And yeah that woman was an idiot but his answer was just populist garbage made for people to applaud and agree...

[unorthodoxcs1]

that girl against dubi shouldnt be on the pannal. i just want to here the brit and the arab on the right talk lol

[Raddaaee]

Take away her citzenship & send her back to Tehran to fight for human rights long nosed bitch

[asperin]

It is absurd to have a monolithic institution like the State regulating such a complex network like the market.

What greater democracy than a free market, where everyone has a vote. Everyone chooses where to work and buy.

Does the State promotes responsibility or dependence?

The answer is clear.

If Dubai's private sector fails it would have to reform itself.

[eternallord]

Did you miss the part about human trafficking and human rights abuses that can't even be kept up with regulations?

Market economies encourage growth, but the idea of an unregulated Free Market is pretty sadistic.

[asperin]

@eternallord

A lot don't like slave labor but they go on vacation to places like Dubai and buy products made by exploited workers.

It is the CONSUMERS who are responsible for these unfortunate events in the market.

The State is people.

All they can do is attempt to regulate with force and intimidation to have people like you depend on them for market stability instead of teaching others about the importance of the democracy of the market and the real causes of exploitation.

[eternallord]

All you've managed to do is explain why millions of people have to suffer, die, and be exploited for the Free Market to ever be the guiding light of the world.

You're essentially saying that people who run businesses have no responsibility for their actions, and that it's up to the people who are bombarded with propaganda to make decisions.

The Free Market doesn't account for it's victims.. It's a mindless expanding system with no moral restrictions or limitations.

[asperin]

@eternallord

No. All I did is say where does the problem originates, what causes it.

People who run business seek to address the demand and if the demand is to provide exploited labor they will do it.

The providers cares as much as the consumer does, both are human.

A free market is a market without central regulation.

Central regulation is composed of people who can be the same who exploit people, and this is what happens today.

The market is regulated and people are exploited.

[asperin]

@eternallord

You contradict yourself because you want democracy but want to put the regulation of a market in the hands of a central planning agency instead on the hands of everyone who regulate such market with the way they spend their money.

The State offers limited democracy, limited to the biggest percentage of voters and a group of politicians who are easy to bribe, under an institution like the State, that is easy to infiltrate and have a corporatist system take over like we have today.

[eternallord]

I contradict myself? Let's say we strike away all regulations in the United States tomorrow. What do you think walmart workers would look like in a year? What do you illegal immigrant workers would look like? The evidence only leads anyone to believe that they'd be turned into cattle underneath competing enterprises.

The state offers barely any democracy, and has been historically terrible, but currently the alternative is the rule of private institutions.

[asperin]

@eternallord

I'm not saying remove all regulations within one day. That is an absurd misinterpretation by closeminded collectivists who fear the quasi-natural regulation of the market.

I propose a transition, not magic.

It is a sad thing that you need a monolithic entity with a monopoly on violence like the State to deal with people instead of people taking up some responsibility for their actions.

-Cont-

[eternallord]

The problem with "transitioning" is you have to believe that those with power will be willing to let it go, and it's going quite in the opposite direction. The ironic thing is that if anyone wants to change our system, they'll have to take a collectivist stance.

You sound like an Anarcho-Capitalist with your disdain for the state, but love of the Free Market. Would that be an accurate description?

[asperin]

@eternallord

"Those with power" have power thanks to our ignorance and fear.

Yes, they're trying to centralize power but their reputation is decreasing and our collective knowledge is growing.

People are finding out that State intervention in the market causes the problems, not deregulation. With the economy getting worse people will realize this even more.

The transitioning is happening and I'm trying to speed it up.

(What is "our system"?)

Yes, your guess is correct about what I sound like.

[eternallord]

The United States government is in bed with our private sector, and has been for a long time. This is not a Free Market economy, and regulations come and go with what we have.

But again, let's say you strike the regulations away; Then you simply have a private sector with enormous capital backed by the most powerful state on the planet that have no restrictions on them at all.

In reality, this will lead to disaster, and not democracy.

[asperin]

@eternallord

Private institutions are private, not of the State, what you are talking about is CORPORATIONS.

Big difference.

Corporations are companies that were given immunity and privileges over other companies, this is not private, this is the State forming market entities.

This is one of the major mistakes you people make and it causes you to blame Capitalism.

You say corporatism(State-private merging) is not free market. I agree!

This is not what I propose.

-Cont-

[eternallord]

Thanks for pointing it out, but that hardly absolves businesses of responsibility.

Also, do you really think the consumer desires exploited labor? Exploited labor seems more of a result of competing businesses for time, efficiency, and cost. They'd use outright slavery if they could.

Also, I think that was my initial point - Even with regulations in place, people are still trampled over. I doubt much good would change without them.

[asperin]

@eternallord

If you remove regulations you remove ANY involvement of the State in the market, if not there is not deregulation.

So there can't be any private sector being backed by the State.

Again, I do not propose this.

Observe your words.

"Also, do you really think the consumer desires exploited labor?"

If this is the case and DEMAND is NOT a result of exploited labor then WHY in the heck would you fear that DEMAND will cause exploitation.

-Cont-

[asperin]

@eternallord

If you do not understand Supply and Demand, confuse "Capitalism" with "Corporatism", what I say will always sound weird to you.

You are opposing something you do not understand. If you did understand you will be on my side.

[usergently]

Fuck Dubai!

[Renegen1]

@usergently Informative and eloquent, rare these days.

[kakaze]

that woman is a bit full of herself and missing the point of the debate...

[azharaliahmed]

stupid dubai

[jordler]

thats a pretty good video . Dubai buble will brust they jsut keep buying more and more. They just beat the world record for tallest building and they already started bulding a even taller one .

[TheArabSultan]

this woman is an iranian. enough is said.

(look up the history between iran and the Arab Gulf states and you know whats up... thats just a taste...)

[Alexander021]

Stop being another mainstream sheep. The Iranian PEOPLE and the Arab PEOPLE have nothing against eachother. Just the governments. And since you are old enough to watch this you should also be old enough to know that NO government in the world represents people. Stop the hate.

[joshv89]

Great video,but I dunno why the video was cut off @ 8:42,that guy was making a very important point........

[hightmz30]

ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh shut up!!!

[gringodeltoro1]

WAAAAAAASSSSSSSSUP !