Jeremy Paxman interviews Ed Miliband (29Sept10)

[Samgurney88]

He's actually quite likeable here. What on earth happenned?

[MilibandDavid]

Jeremy is a tough nut to crack but we get on even if I can't have sex with him.

[JupiterReturnz]

ILLUMINATI.

[VengeanceIsMineBitch]

i'm amazed this rubber faced pussy has the balls to father a child.

[VengeanceIsMineBitch]

he grew up in a new labour/conservative household.

[nationalistactivist]

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[SeanOBriain]

He shouldn't have to even explain why he doesn't believe in God. He seemed almost embarrassed to say it.

[324wilson]

"teenage chess champion" LOL

Jeremy Paxman, we need more journalists like you!

[MrGrogs901]

i dont support Labour, but i would have much rather see David than Ed as leader of the Labour party. If the next government turns out to be Labour I don't think Ed has the cojones..

[peter92305]

The sad thing for the labour party was that elder brother David saved the best speech of his life until after he had lost the leadership election. I think the party and the labour M.P.'s in particular will rue the day that the unions saddled them with young brother Ed.

[dezboss]

I'm not a lover of Cameron or the Conservatives, or Clegg or the Lib Dems, but I think Ed Milliband is an absolute left-wing waste of space. And I DESPISE Labour with such a passion.

If they win the next election I will emigrate

[TheKenfig]

@dezboss You'll be stuck here in the gutter by then

[dezboss]

@TheKenfig The tragic thing is that I think you're right, we seem to be on our way back to the dark age.

[TheKenfig]

@dezboss Sorry to sound so bleak, but I say to that, you ain't seen nothin' yet

[dezboss]

@TheKenfig I have to admit, I am slowly trying to divorce myself from the UK early enough for me to remain on good terms with the country. I'm only 23, but if I stay here much longer I will start to hate it.

If I leave early enough, my memories will not be too tainted.

[TheKenfig]

@dezboss I hate what it has become, with so much elitism in charge, so much corruption at the top, an elitist system which still ensures the best and most powerful careers for privately educated wealthy people and a system which corruptly and blindly encourages higher education when there is little demand for even degrees unless they're from certain Universities. This has been caused by making GCES too easy and in a changing world we need more trade skills jobs, not Unis

[ridewave444]

Seems too smart to be an American politician.

[excatholics]

Another immoral man. Btw, "atheists" don't exist. It's all in the mind!

[nemesis700]

he gave some good answers. paxman gave him an easy ride tho

[jazzx251]

@nemesis700

He gave him an easy ride because Ed actually answered the questions!

Paxman only goes after those who try to evade the questions.

[Redcarpet01]

@jazzx251 Yes, this is probably the smoothest interview I've seen Pax give. Really enjoyed it.

[apollosmurphy]

god, climb out of your own arse anyfekinnamewilldo. The state provides vital services which are the backbone our society(police, education,healthcare)most of us cant afford to go private.If you dont understand the consequences both socially and economically of putting a million people on the dole when the economy is as frail as it is, you never will do. give me an example of the private sector sinking at the moment because of the public sector?

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy But it's not just police, teachers & nurses but layers upon layers of pointless bureaucracy. I bet uv never bothered asking yourself WHY it is so expensive to go private? Who the fuck r u anyway. I work 12 hr days to feed my family only to see the state pillage half of my income. Local schools r terrible. Waiting lists att hospitals r ridiculous, every time I've used the police they'vebeen absolutely rubbish & the army r used as to invade foreign countries which r no threat 2 us.

[SuperFX1001]

@anyfekinnamewilldo 12 hour days lol! i bet you sit on your arse wishing you had more money then your next door neighbour. All services should be public e.g. owned by everyone!

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@SuperFX1001 Listen you mouthy little cunt, I'd knock your teeth out of your head if you said that to my face. Get a job and actually try contributing to society instead of whining like a baby. You're the one who looks at your neighbour with a nice car wishing you could steal the fruit of their labour, not me. Now piss off and post your pathetic comments elsewhere.

[SuperFX1001]

@anyfekinnamewilldo oooo scary! i do work and i actually enjoy what i do, i do it coz i enjoy it not coz it pays. At least you have made a sensible point in "contribute to society" its douch bags like you throwing their weight around (no doubt coz you eat pie all day sat in your bedroom playing president) why we have this divide in wealth!

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@SuperFX1001 Blar blar blar, I couldn't give a shit if you think all wealth should be shared out equally. All that proves is your utter stupidity, total lack of understanding of ethics, morality, economics and human nature. Go worship Obama or whatever socialist demagogue floats your boat and stop communicating with me. I'm not fucking interested.

[SuperFX1001]

@anyfekinnamewilldo "utter stupidity, total lack of understanding of ethics, morality, economics and human nature" are you insane?! your understanding of how the world should function is based on 2,000 odd years old thinking! we are not in Roman times anymore my ignorant friend. what is ethical, and moral about a world where people are judged by their money, where people are starving, where half the world is depressed? Economics is bullshit thought up to divide people by some turd like you!

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@SuperFX1001 "Not in Roman times anymore???" But it is you who advocates theft, coersion and the law of the jungle. All free market people want is voluntary free trade.

People are not judged by money. Money is just a means of exchange. I'm not Deplying to your inane bullshit anymore. "Debating" with you is like trying to teach a monkey to use chop sticks, completely pointless, a waste of effort.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy Who r u? Do u work or is ur daddy a politician? Ur channel is a troll channel, ur obviously connected with the Labour Party.

[apollosmurphy]

I think your away with the fairies. we have a budget deficit because of the recession, tax receits dried up. making millions unemployed wont help the deficit. My family were immigrants to this country fleeing from nazi europe and ireland during the depression. If you dont do your best to keep people in employment you end up with dire consequences, that would be the real tyranny.

[liarpoliticians]

@apollosmurphy Paying managers in a council £30k + protected pension is NOT good value, it is far cheaper for the PRIVATE sector that pays the public sectors wages for that person to be on the dole. The private sector is sinking BECAUSE OF the public sector being so bloody large and out of control.

The public sector paying taxes is only recycling money from gov to worker to gov, round and round. We need private sector to generate wealth for the UK economy, public sector cannot do that.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy Derrr the deficit has a lot to do with the size of the gargantuan, ever expanding bureaucratic nightmare called the British state, not just dwinderling tax receipts. You've obviously never run a business!

[apollosmurphy]

vociferously,nice word.haha.No it didnt, it raised taxes but we didnt have a budget deficit.We have debt, but as you know thats not the same as a deficit.Most of it is 14+ years old so we were never going to default on it. Alot of it was paid back from the early 90's recession.When the productive sector is on its knee's the worst thing to do is make a million unemployed, these bureacrats(teachers nurses,people cleaning your bin)are keeping the productive sector afloat. thanks for the kind words.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy Wow so you are actually saying Gordon Brown didn't run up a budget deficit. Ur away with the fairies.

They taxed, borrowed & spent this country (& our unborn children) into the poor house yet still u pathologically make excuses 4 them. I've some sympathy 4 traditional Labour voters who lost faith with champaign socialism but ur of a different ilk altogether. U must be related to or in some way connected with the regime. U r an apologist of TYRANNY.

[apollosmurphy]

derr spend not tax thats the point. run up a deficit intil you have stable growth. paying back the deficit is dependant on growth. growth is dependant on consumer confidence/spending. consumer spending is dependant on employment/employment prospects.ie. not wise to put a million people out of work. not hard to grasp. your argument is like a guy standing in a bucket with no handle looking even more stupid!

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy But the Labour regime you so vociferously support raised taxes AND ran up an enormous deficit. You can't sustain the legions of bureaucrats without damaging the productive sector. You can't keep borrowing in the hope of stimulating aggregate demand. You just don't understand the absolute fundamentals of economics. Go back to your m8's on the Labour Party fan club channel and hail your great leaders.

Loser.

[liarpoliticians]

@apollosmurphy There would be more consumer confidence if there was a proper "normal" recession, the feckless with bad money are run into the ground. Instead, the savers are having their savings and pensions stolen from to prop up the feckless, and the stupid house price asset bubble is still climbing.

The coalition is as bad as Labour in propping up the feckless. The UK is fucked.

The UK needs a proper recession to drive out bad money.

[VanityQuimRot]

What on earth is wrong with Ed's voice? It sounds like has severe sinus problems or is extremely clogged full of mucus.

[apollosmurphy]

odd guy. what do you mean owning me?? whats that?

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy Tell u what's fucking odd, being a member of the Labour Party & leader worshiping the likes of Milliband & Gordon Brown.

It's odd thinking the same corrupt, incompetent socialists who helped create the mess can tax & spend the economy back to health. It is like a guy standing in a bucket & trying to lift himself up by the handle.

[apollosmurphy]

haha. get over yourself, good luck with your rage. 

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy Pleasure owning you ;-)

[apollosmurphy]

yes thats the point. im not arguing for more borrowing long term, but short term its vital. There's new markets for manufacturers today, the start up cost's can be covered by government help and long term incentives? its the biggest barrier to sustainable growth. look you may dissagree with the state but its a vital part of a sustainable economy. i know you dissagree, but im gonna leave it there. good debate.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy How can u say state predation is a vital part of a sustainable economy, given what has happened over the last half century.? Look out of the window. It's not working, fiat money, central banking, national debt going through the roof, endless taxation, cost of living skyrocketing, the pointless war on drugs, state surveillance, endless foreign wars, failure of the welfare state, constant boom & bust & debasement of currency.

I've got nothing else to say to you.

[apollosmurphy]

Yes its not sustainable in the long term, but its needed to get growth short term. Investment in manufacturing now for a broader long term economy is vital. The problem is we do need economic management from the top, because as is being proved we had an economy built on the head of a pin when it needed to have broader foundations. having to run up deficits is the consequence of a narrow economic base. but its the only way out.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy BS. Y is it so hard 2 start a manufactoring company in UK? Red tape, high start up costs in terms of payroll tax, health & saftey.The risk/reward ratios aren't worth it. Biggest difference between us & Germany is tax treatment of the mittlestand ( roughly the middle layer) engineering & manufacuring businesses. Corporate tax is not levied on profits reinvested in the business. Germany has finance companies who invest in start up businesses & pay no corporation or capital gains.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy This country used to have a similar base of small to medium sized engineering and manufacturing companies. Especially in the midlands and north west. These were rubbished by government, big business and big unions in the 1960's and early 70's.

We need less state intervention not higher taxes & borrowing.

[apollosmurphy]

weak*



[apollosmurphy]

look noone wants huge taxes, and i agree for a week economy it would be suicide. but what you dont do is become obsessed woth the deficit, loose millions of tax receits and blunt consumer power when you need it most.

[apollosmurphy]

oh GOD yes im the one brainwashed. most people need the state and i can assure you it aint the 'ruling class'. anyway lets just agree to dissagree!

[apollosmurphy]

but the point is, taxes if TOO high discourage investment but my arguements not about the tax and spend balance, keep taxes lower AND spend more and run up A DEFICIT you can spend more and keep people in employment and run a deficit until growth is stable, im not arguing for higher taxes but against the scale of the fiscal contraction. against obsession with the deficit.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy Right so tax less, spend more and borrow more i.e. burn the candle at both ends and hope for the best. You can't have sustainable growth based upon borrowing and consumption. This is basket case economics.

We don't need wise overlords to act as a macro steering wheel to manage the economy. We just need the state to keep out of our lives, and with their mindless apologists to find a tall building and....

[apollosmurphy]

Its like talking to a brick wall.debts fine as long as you can service it,its a neccesity in recessions like this,the alternative is 30% unemployment. get defecits down when theres stable growth i have no problem with that. its all dependant on our ability to grow, where does growth come from if the consumer loses their job?It will have a downwards spiral! i have no problem reducing taxation for high skilled manufacturing,but not money movers. lower taxation wont mean much if you lose your job.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy But u r ignoring the opportunity cost of the wealth that would otherwise have been generated had the state not extracted revenues from the productive sector. The reality is the state has no way of servicing these debts other than taxing future generations & there will be fewer jobs as state spending doesn't increase the long term productive capacity of the economy.

U r nothing more than a shill 4 the ruling class. You are either in their pay or completely brainwashed or both.

[apollosmurphy]

your talking rubbish, it'll take years to rebalance the economy. you could create tax incentives for high skill manufacturing companies, offer loans to business for long term investment. what will boost productive output? when its all consumer based, not making millions umemployed!

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy Offer loans to businesses? Are you kidding me? Where does the money come from, freshly printed from central banks? The government has no money. It produces nothing, all it can do is take from Peter and give it to Paul. Big deal anyone can do that. Yes if the state lowered taxes then it helps the economy. Again all the state can do to help the situation is not get involved, stop regulating,taxing,expanding & interfering with money.

Labour aren't in the tax lowering business!

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy Try following the logic of your own argument. If tax breaks encourage long term investment, then obviously state taxes discourage investment and cause economic stagnation.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy It's akin to saying "I have 20/20 vision because you don't poke me in the eye every month, so praise be to you for not poking me in the eye".

[apollosmurphy]

The state only becomes unrealistic when you dont have a diverse economy. The state is important because its democratic, as i said theres more to life than markets, i dont want freemarket education or healthcare, where u turn away the sick because they cant afford it, any civilised society, any productive society acknowledges the important role the state plays.

[apollosmurphy]

The economy had no foundation, the productive economy was too narrow so when it fell we were in trouble, people stopped spending, the economy fell again. Im not contradicting myself, we SHOULDNT have had such a consumer dependant economy which was so dependant on such a narrow productive base but thats the point, consuming is our only way out. thatchers great legacy im afraid. economic policy in last 30 years, labour aswell.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy So how exactly will Labour "expand the narrow productive base"? Printing money? Credit expansion? Borrowing from foreigners? Increase minimum wage? Increase taxation? Lower interest rates? Stimulus programs? Creating more state jobs?

None of these policies will boost productive output. They have failed in the past & will fail again. The Coalition at least may reduce the size of the state but won't address the core problem which is cheap money, fiat currency & central banking.

[apollosmurphy]

the 'productive sector' is built on the back of consumption, you cant scale back one without it affecting the other.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy No in free market conditions, increased consumption comes about through increased productivity. The elephant in the room is the state. The bottom line is state predation is not necessary to increase productive efficiency. All it hampers economic growth.

[apollosmurphy]

A redistributing state IS sustainable when the rest of the 'productive' sector is! I disagree with state intervention in mortgage markets,but the point is how did everybody think these 'assets' were fine then spliced up and traded round the world?because the regulators were not up to it!money dissapeared overnight.once again rhetoric is overtaking fact, he's not some mad marxist your making him out to be,hes making the argument for a broader based economy,which most people agree is what we need.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy But again you're only looking at effect and not the cause. Why were these assets deemed 2 be "fine"? Why do you believe the state is better able to allocate resources than the market? The Labour regime created a phony boom through allowing credit expansion via central bank monopolies, created legions of state bureaucrats in order to buy votes, pissed the tax revenues up against the wall & saddle future generations with billions £ of debt & you actually defend these people?

[apollosmurphy]

But you cant cut your way out of depression, there has to be a 'balance' haha. my point is reducing the deficit isnt just money or spending your taking out of the economy, its the consumption power of millions of people. at a time when consumer power is needed the most. labour did not run up a deficit during the boom,thats a falicy. it had debt, but per GDP nothing out of place with the rest of the developed world.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy Hang on you've just contradicted yourself, now you're saying in order to stimulate the economy the state needs to increase aggregate demand or consumption. 10 mins ago you said we can't rely on consumption but increase productivity. Well which is it? The fact that Labour and their mindless votaries still don't acknowledge they screwed up the economy is testament to the fact that none of you understand economics.

Face it Keynesianism is DEAD!

[apollosmurphy]

haha.well thats my point, in the future we cant rely on consumption! In a recession its wise to keep people in jobs through "public" works(i dont know who ur quoting) to keep people paying tax and start investing in the LONG TERM drivers of growth(production)But thats the whole point, our whole economy is at the moment built on consumption so to get growth you almost have to run up defecits.Yes regulation failed, banks lacked liquidity, the economy dried up.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy But taxation and running up huge deficits simply doesn't drive long term productivity. You can't tax your way out of depression. All it does is redistribute resources arbitrarily from the productive sector to the state. In any case the Labour government ran up deficits during the boom period which is one of the reasons the economy is in the toilet today. So I'll ask you again, how exactly is this socialist economic illiterate in charge going to help the economy?

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy You only see the symptom and not the cause. Why do you think banks lacked liquidity..not enough regulation?

[apollosmurphy]

can you read?! i dont have anything against capitalism. capitalism is the basis of entrepeneurialism. you dont have to be a anti capitalist to think that the economy need's rebalancing, it's an imature debate. But the point is you cant rely on people always consuming, it's like a castle built on sand. the economy needs a healthy balance of production and consumption.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy Stimulating consumption through "public" works and excessive borrowing was the principle policy of the regime you lend support to. Who is the one being immature here? You blamed a lack of regulation for the recession. Wrong. You think Red Ed will save the day? Wrong. How exactly is this socialist economic illiterate in charge going to help the economy, please explain.

[apollosmurphy]

A balanced economy is an economy which is not so dependant on the city of london for its wealth and income. an economy which has broader foundations so that when regulators fail it doesnt bring down the rest of the economy. germany had a strong manufacturing base which was able to withstand the worst of the recession, they could cut their budgets and rely on an export lead recovery when domestic consumption was down. basic economics.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

Like the US we have an economy based upon consumption & borrowing instead of production & saving. But 2 say the financial sector, capitalism, & lack of regulation caused the recession is bunkum. The whole thing was started by state intervention in the mortgage market in the US & further exacerbated by taxation,central banking, fiat money, government spending, bailouts & national debt. Labour will do NOTHING to put this right, and neither will the Coalition.

[MrStraight2hell]

israeli bitch

[stevenoc]

He seems very nice and charming lets see what he does in the next few months..

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@stevenoc You make my skin crawl.

[stevenoc]

@anyfekinnamewilldo If i make your skin crawl for saying that then youve got problems.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@stevenoc Your Youtube channel is a f***ing shrine to Champaign socialism. You're the one with problems Steveo.

[BloodguardGorak]

I'm a wage earner (working-class) so who else am I going to vote for?

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@BloodguardGorak They don't represent you. It's a fallacy. Don't endorse state coercion.

[hentaitrek]

He totally bagsied that Rubiks Cube, like a pro.

[apollosmurphy]

haha thanks for that anyfekinnamewilldo! yep lock up your kids, put your money under your pillow, he's out to get you. He wants a living wage for the poorest people....disgusting. He beleives the economy needs to be more balanced, not so dependent on the financial sector. He beleives there should be a more equal balance between work and family....whats marxist in that? infact its prity much what most people think.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy You don't create wealth by just increasing wages or printing money. That creates unemployment. How is he going to create a "balanced" economy. What is a "balanced" economy anyway?

What right has the state to dictate "balance" between work & family. Why are you obsessed with balancing lol

Socialism destroys wealth so of course they won't "help" the poorest people. They entrench people in poverty & pay themselves handsomely for the trouble.

[apollosmurphy]

cheers for calling me retarded anyfekinnamewilldo. just because someone disagrees with you, you think their retarded? i think there's irony in there somewhere.i'll leave it to you. No you dont have to"meet" someone to have an opinion of them, but if your calling somone VERMIN youd expect them to have a better reason than, 'he's on the telly and he disagrees with me'!

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy Maybe it isn't because "he's on telly and disagrees with me." Perhaps it could have something to do with the fact that he's another freaking Marxist in a suit who wants to take over the country, steal our money, indoctrinate kids with leftist bs, control the supply of money, control healthcare, create economic stagnation and continue to amass an enormous "public" debt and send our children the bill. MAYBE THAT'S WHY HE CALLED HIM VERMIN YOU THICK SOCIALIST FUCK.

[sinclair61]

Interesting a pleasant interview.

[apollosmurphy]

fleshious, sounds like your the vermin to be honest. if you have views like that about someone you've never met you must seriously be a nasty piece of work.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@apollosmurphy Why must you "meet" a politician in order to hold an opinion about them? That's retarded.

[Fleshious]

Left wing vermin.

[BloodguardGorak]

I like the dude, and so far he's doing well (honeymoon period). However the cynic in me knows it wont last. You can only be duped so many times before the smiles and the open body language become as meaningless as the promises. I'll end up voting for the guy; for me it's Hobson's choice, and we call this democracy...

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@BloodguardGorak So you openly acknowledge your own naivety.

FFS we will never rid ourselves of these blood suckers because of people like you.

[BloodguardGorak]

@anyfekinnamewilldo I'm working class, my beliefs and values are those of a social democrat leading to individualism. I hate neoliberals; my politics reflect that. So I'm not sure how that makes me naive?

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@BloodguardGorak What does working class actually mean in the 21st century? These are just meaningless labels bestowed upon us by our political masters to stir up division, rabble-rouse and get themselves elected. And where is the correlation between individualism and socialism, a destructive collectivist ideology that is used to justify the existence of the parasitic ruling class?

I called you naive because you said you'd actually vote for the fucker!

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@BloodguardGorak Furthermore, by voting these bastards into power you endorse the inter-generational theft they call the "budget deficit." You're stealing from my children and as such voting is an act of violence against future generations. Think about that when you're in that ballot booth comrade ;-)

[BloodguardGorak]

@anyfekinnamewilldo So you would still vote for Thatcher knowing she was destroying everyone's pensions? Those neoliberal policies aptly named Reaganomics started us down this path. What about the artificially low base rates now destroying savings? Soon the only Capital left will be what the Bank of England prints up - which comrade you on about in a collective corporate environment :P

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@BloodguardGorak Hang on, how did we get from you voting an economic illiterate Marxist into power in 2015, to me voting Thatcher in the 1980's? WTF?

I never voted for Thatcher.

What about the artificially low interest rates, the bailouts, artificial credit expansion, "national" debt? You are gonna vote in the people who created this mess. You're like an abused wife who keeps coming back for more. It's just bizarre.

[BloodguardGorak]

@anyfekinnamewilldo My comment should have read "so called laissez-fair establishment" My point; by creating a free-market in the health service for example just leads to bigger government, more regulations and tighter government control. (So I'm in agreement with you.) But I see this as a liberal problem not a socialist one.

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@BloodguardGorak Why would creating free market healthcare lead to bigger government?.

Liberal / socialist = tomAYtoes / tomatoes

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

@BloodguardGorak "laissez-faire" establishment ? That is by definition an oxymoron. We have never had anything like laissez-faire. I really don't know where to start dude! In terms of your job situation & pay you seem to view this in terms of nominal values. You see, your purchasing power is not only defined by your hourly pay rate, but the prices of goods & services which are screwed up by the fiat money system. There is simply not enough space in the comments 2 reply in full. I don't vote Tory

[anyfekinnamewilldo]

What was nothing more a friendly chit - chat.