@gymnasticsloverxoxo what she did, she did virtually perfectly. there are no deductions for execution here. but the difficulty, although technically enough to satisfy the rules, did not compare favorably to the routines of her competitors and the judges marked her down for that lack of difficulty
Everyone talks of favoritism here. But before this competition, it was a factor that had hurt American gymnasts more times than it had helped. If Kim benefited from a little home court advantage, it's hard to slam her on it. Event-for-event in '91, an argument can be made either way that Kim OR Svet should of/could of won. But, Kim made her dominance emphatic only months later in Paris at the '92 Worlds, where she won half the gold. (Svet went goldless.) Fluke? Paris isn't Indianapolis.
@lonzoroch "Everyone talks of favoritism here." Seriously. What a bunch of ****ing whiners. Whinewhinewhine. My girlcrush didn't win, call the wahhhhmbulance. Kim won here, she earned it, suck it up. Bogi won numerous other places, she's awesome and deserved all those other places. This wasn't her time. No one gymnast was overscored (all of them them were, welcome to the late '70s through the early '90s.) Appreciate the greatness, instead of constantly whining.
@NYCBlonde how did she earn it with a crappy bar routine, mediocre floor tumbling (compared to others) and a cookie cutter beam routine? I love kim zemeskal but if the gymnasts (who acually preformed great, but weren't as popular) where scored fairly, she so wouldn't of won
@moopoo66 You could say that about ANY meet. I really get tired of the whining. It's time for gymnastics fans to appreciate the greatness instead of constantly arguing over imagined under- and overscoring...and if we're being honest, no one suffered more from bias than the Americans in the '80s/early '90s. But the results stand. The champions are who they are. Zmeskal was not overscored, any more than Bogi was the numerous times she won. LET IT GO. Both Bogi and Zmeskal were fantastic.
@moopoo66 wasn't referring to Indianapolis when i said "fluke"--was talking about Paris '92 Worlds, where, relatively speaking, Kim cleaned house again to quite obviously no home court advantage. . . my point on '91 worlds was that, though Kim may have received some marginal benefit from a contest in the US (supposing, i guess, the panel of interntl judges just weren't very strong willed but easily swayed by roaring crowds), u.s. gymnasts had been judged with negative bias at times in the past
Even Kathy Johnson hints at the subjectivity, nationalism and biased judging that helped an undeserving Kim Zmeskal win in the US! Deja Vu...Mary Lou Retton at the Los Angeles Olympics where she "won" over a superior Ecaterina Szabo.
@elamantebilingue i agree COMPLETLEY, this competion was based on favoritism! kim zemskal DID NOT DISERVE TO WIN THIS MEET! it could of easily gone to bogi if they judges didnt perfer zemeskal.
I love how she did a split at the top instead of just a handstand. She has such an elegant style. The Swan was the perfect name for her, it's fitting
cj222100 4 days ago
It shocks me how little difficulty was in this routine.
gymnasticsloverxoxo 1 year ago
@gymnasticsloverxoxo what she did, she did virtually perfectly. there are no deductions for execution here. but the difficulty, although technically enough to satisfy the rules, did not compare favorably to the routines of her competitors and the judges marked her down for that lack of difficulty
indiatree 5 months ago
Everyone talks of favoritism here. But before this competition, it was a factor that had hurt American gymnasts more times than it had helped. If Kim benefited from a little home court advantage, it's hard to slam her on it. Event-for-event in '91, an argument can be made either way that Kim OR Svet should of/could of won. But, Kim made her dominance emphatic only months later in Paris at the '92 Worlds, where she won half the gold. (Svet went goldless.) Fluke? Paris isn't Indianapolis.
lonzoroch 1 year ago
@lonzoroch "Everyone talks of favoritism here." Seriously. What a bunch of ****ing whiners. Whinewhinewhine. My girlcrush didn't win, call the wahhhhmbulance. Kim won here, she earned it, suck it up. Bogi won numerous other places, she's awesome and deserved all those other places. This wasn't her time. No one gymnast was overscored (all of them them were, welcome to the late '70s through the early '90s.) Appreciate the greatness, instead of constantly whining.
NYCBlonde 1 year ago
@NYCBlonde how did she earn it with a crappy bar routine, mediocre floor tumbling (compared to others) and a cookie cutter beam routine? I love kim zemeskal but if the gymnasts (who acually preformed great, but weren't as popular) where scored fairly, she so wouldn't of won
moopoo66 1 year ago
@moopoo66 You could say that about ANY meet. I really get tired of the whining. It's time for gymnastics fans to appreciate the greatness instead of constantly arguing over imagined under- and overscoring...and if we're being honest, no one suffered more from bias than the Americans in the '80s/early '90s. But the results stand. The champions are who they are. Zmeskal was not overscored, any more than Bogi was the numerous times she won. LET IT GO. Both Bogi and Zmeskal were fantastic.
NYCBlonde 1 year ago 3
@lonzoroch it acually was a fluke, if kim would of scored fairly on all the events someone else would of won
moopoo66 1 year ago
@moopoo66 wasn't referring to Indianapolis when i said "fluke"--was talking about Paris '92 Worlds, where, relatively speaking, Kim cleaned house again to quite obviously no home court advantage. . . my point on '91 worlds was that, though Kim may have received some marginal benefit from a contest in the US (supposing, i guess, the panel of interntl judges just weren't very strong willed but easily swayed by roaring crowds), u.s. gymnasts had been judged with negative bias at times in the past
lonzoroch 1 year ago
Kathy Johnson is American...What are you talking about?
rfillangi 4 years ago 4
LOL
KarenLovesGymnastics 3 years ago
*shakes head* I don't know what they're talking about either.
TuesdayPillow 3 years ago
Even Kathy Johnson hints at the subjectivity, nationalism and biased judging that helped an undeserving Kim Zmeskal win in the US! Deja Vu...Mary Lou Retton at the Los Angeles Olympics where she "won" over a superior Ecaterina Szabo.
elamantebilingue 5 years ago
@elamantebilingue i agree COMPLETLEY, this competion was based on favoritism! kim zemskal DID NOT DISERVE TO WIN THIS MEET! it could of easily gone to bogi if they judges didnt perfer zemeskal.
luv4cookie1 2 years ago
@luv4cookie1 You right, but the power of Karoly's name did that.You are really right!!
lilyia1 1 year ago