J. S. Bach - Cantata "Eine Feste Burg Ist Unser Gott" BWV 80 (1/3)

[aunibbww]

Why would you state such a thing as if you knew it? It's obviously not possible to prove such a thing without absurd definitions of words such as 'existence'. This music is great regardless of what people believed in in the 16th century.

[samthemusicguy]

that's a pretty dirty bass line hahah!!

[spanamer]

BREATHTAKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!

[takeitsaxman2012]

@kourouyann As believer, I think telling someone to "wake up" could come across as kinda pushy. I also think it defames God to debate with people about their faith, make your case and leave the rest to the Holy Spirit, because you can't save anyone, and neither can Bach.

[stauvin]

@takeitsaxman2012 the thrust of your comments seems correct brother. Alas, the Holy Spirit does lead some to preach and dare say, argue the gospel. Don't take for granted the pushy brothers who have gone before you and died defending the cause, much less commenting on YT. In the end, when the Lord hold's you accountable, I hope you have done something, albeit in love, more than sit back and rely on the Holy Spirit, which lives in you, an is urging you to action. Gal 2:20

[underwoodamy95]

@stauvin Amen. Very true.

[TheContemporarymusic]

Interesting "color" of the organ sound

[darktangent10]

My chamber choir is doing this piece this November and I got the tenor solo/duet. Now I've got something to practice with! Thanks!

[minasgekos]

O please believers, show us the path to heavenly enlightenment, for we are sheeps that lost their way into atheist oblivion... Or just shut up and let us enjoy this music.

[musoderelict]

Love this performance - you can hear the intricate, polyphonic lines very clearly. (I think its even better than Harnoncourt's!)

Sorry guys, but however beautiful music can be - it can't save your soul. Please note Matthew VII:21, "Not every one that says to me [Christ], Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father who is in heaven.", and John XVII:17, "... Your [God's] Word is truth.". By obedient faith in His Word (the Bible) we come to Christ.

[TheMajikah]

I think Satan disliked this...

[Flacutono99]

if you want a logical explanation, check out pascal's wager. the logical method is used in the secular world, so don't discount it as the ravings of a madman.

[mishugina]

Why cant we enjoy bloody music without at least a theological debate?

[MrPfund]

@mishugina This "bloody" music is the blood of Christ, my friend! sorry!

[charlesdarwin55]

@mishugina

WOLOLO WOLOLO WOLOLO!!

[EyMeng]

BEAST

[berniewa2008]

really great ! as every time with the Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra & Choir,

maybe just a little bit toooo fast ;-)

musicians seem to be nearly protestant refugees from the roman catholic troups, hurriing to reach the next castle ... okay, in this gives also an authentic impression, but I think here is more important the expression of faith, trust, and so of being calm because having the strongest power (god) on the own side - so the message

[merciflhvns]

einfach wunderschön!

[Bumfacepik2]

Sorry. I ended up using this video as a dumping ground for my musings. I don't pretend to be an authority on religion and I didn't mean to force my beliefs on anyone. Love the Bach :)

[TripleMirror]

It's like the wind, you cannot deny its existence, because you don't see it - you can see its effects.

[Bumfacepik2]

@TripleMirror On the topic of religion, how did you come to believe in yours? I've been thinking about it and I realized that even if I were to concede the existence of a god I wouldn't know what religious group to join. I don't see how Christianity is any more likely to be accurate than Judaism or Islam (or any other religion for that matter). They all present us with the same evidence and ask us to believe, how do I distinguish the one true religion from the posers?

[TripleMirror]

@Bumfacepik2 God doesn't force anybody to believe: they still have the freedom of choice even with plenty of proofs. God does not use just evidence, He also adresses to each soul in a specific and personal way, trying to impress them; that's how He uses to approach humans.

[Bumfacepik2]

@TripleMirror But even if the creator did give his life out of love to save his creatures why does that make the religion any more likely to be true? Beauty has nothing to do with truth. Do you believe in the Christian god because it's more comfortable than believing in a different god? It's not like Christianity was created from the ground up. It derives many things from other religions, did the people that created those religions just happen to have those parts right?

[TripleMirror]

@Bumfacepik2 Hi. Not the beauty of the beliefs makes me follow them, but the fact they are based on love; the Law of God is love: its principles hint at loving God and the others (like the Lord Himself did, as stated). That's different from any other set of beliefs, which are mostly focused on obeying godly entities just on your behalf or for mainting the social order. Love is God's principal attribute, and we, humans, are created in His image.

[Bumfacepik2]

@TripleMirror Whether it's love or beauty it comes to the same thing. Just because it would be wonderful if it were true doesn't mean that it is.

[TripleMirror]

@Bumfacepik2 The fact that Christianity has things in common with other beliefs shows that there IS something behind all of them: THE TRUTH, well or not so well understood.

[tasteism]

@Bumfacepik2 You are right. My philosophy is the same. Too many horrible things happen - so, how can people say there is a loving God. I prefer to believe there is no God than to think there is a very cruel God. And yes, if he exists and punishs me for not believing in him I will tell him, so, I was right, you are a monster, not a loving God.

[TripleMirror]

@tasteism It's necessary to let the child feel the consequences of his wrongs; that's the only things God does. He does not like to see his creatures in pain. All bad things around us are the consequences of the sin and God allows them happen because of His righteousness and for our own good. Can you call that cruelty? God as well felt the results of sin and moreover suffered the pain of eternal death - the final result of sin.

[tasteism]

@TripleMirror You are such a strong believer that no, however well founded, argument can make you change. What about people who are born with a krippling desease? Down syndrom, open spinal chord, blindness, without arms or legs and so on. What are they punished for? Let's end this exchange of comments, it leads to nothing. If yqu are happyu20with your%2ufaith in a%u0loving God, who am I to try to take that away from you?

[TripleMirror]

@tasteism I'm sorry if I'm bothering you, but... as I have already said God doesn't literally punish anyone! The things you mentioned are results of the fall of the human race which took place in the beginning. Unfortunately, we have to carry sometimes the consequences of others' mistakes : that's the nature of the sin.

[tasteism]

@TripleMirror You are not bothering me. But please, how can one accept that, as you write, some have to carry the consequences of others' mistakes..this is just? I rather suffer accidently and without reason than knowing that I'm a cripple because of someone elses sins. To me an unbearable thought. Please, let us stop here.

[TripleMirror]

@tasteism Suffering because of other people mistakes happens every day, too, because we humans are a community and it's not unusual for that to happen...

[kourouyann]

@TripleMirror Becasue God is/was the source of this beautiful music. Bach's faith in God is what made him write this great music. Wake up!!! We love to see you in heaven as well... One of my motivations to live a life pleasing to God, is to meet bach in heaven!!!

You can say Amen to that...

[1AdrianR]

@kourouyann Amen. Soli Deo Gloria.

[billcoop4]

@kourouyann Yes; let's argue about musical interpretation instead ! :)

[underwoodamy95]

@kourouyann Amen! He was definitely inspired by God. Although obviously we want to live a life pleasing to Him for even better reasons than meeting Bach. (But that's a great side benefit. ;)

[Bumfacepik2]

@TripleMirror But does the prevalence of religion reveal to us the truth of god, or a fundamental truth of human nature?

On a different note, what is the meaning of life according to the christian faith? Whenever I speculate about any moral issue I come back to the meaning of life and I can't truthfully say that I've come up with a satisfactory explanation. It seems to me that religion is the first logical place to look but I've never really seen it outlined simply.

[TripleMirror]

@Bumfacepik2 The Christian dogma states that God is the Highest Being, revealed to us humans through the three Persons; we are created by God in His own image (both physically and spiritually) but of course the nature of God is very different from ours for (at least) two reasons: 1. He is the Creator - we are the creatures; 2. He is perfect and holy - we have failed perfectness and are sinful. Of course, there is Christ's sacrifice that still gives us the possibility to recover.

[TripleMirror]

You are a reallly nice atheist ;)

But do not forget that God himself suffered the most...in order to make possible the end of people's suffering. OK, of course you don't have to agree with me, but I sincerely hope that you will someday accept God...

[oshidonimlop]

Is there a bass rackett playing on the cadences in the bass voice?

[saintsaens21]

Thanks Japino, I'm a fan of this version. bass has a truly beautiful voice.

[laserhawk8]

I can't shake the feeling of intense sadness I feel in hearing that you don't know the one immutable, sovereign, merciful and loving God that Bach clearly knew and is living out eternity with now. My prayer is that in listening to his music, you might be brought into a deeper understanding of who your creator is and feel the comfort of his never ending love for you.

[xACiiDTWiZZleR]

erm okay DAWG

[TripleMirror]

@bersa888

He is LOVE.

[bersa888]

Go tell that to my friend who recently lost her 3-year old son to leukemia...

[TripleMirror]

I would tell her, maybe she will feel better.

God does not make the evil, but allows it for His own reasons.

And and I really feel sory for your friend.

[bersa888]

Thank you. Don't worry. I'm happy it works for you, of course. But for me and my friend, "God" can seriously shove "His own reasons" you-know-up-where. In my "Human Book of Morality", allowing death, sufferance, grief etc. while, at the same time, having the power to stop them, is just as evil as causing them. A promise of a better afterlife is not big enough a reward for such great sufferance - and, frankly, as ridiculous as a bedtime fairy tale. But that's me.... :-) Happy New Year.

[tasteism]

@TripleMirror Can you tell me what I have from a passive love. A real loving father would not allow that his kids are harmed - he would act to protect them, not just let bad things happen. as I said, I don't need that kind of 'love'.

[tasteism]

@TripleMirror I forgot to mention that in German law (for humanitarian reason) it is even punishable if you could help someone in grave danger and you don't do it. In this respect we humans are more loving than God, aren't we?

[TripleMirror]

@tasteism SATAN is the real source of evil; God allows him to accomplish his doings, because He allows freedom of choice: Satan chose not to obey to Him. In the end he will be destroyed, but now is stil need to prove before the Universe the effects of the sin, for not being repeated. All the best! ;)

[atlantis4321]

so you believe in predestination. weak. how do you know the devil has not changed his thoughts. how do you know god has not changed his thoughts on people. if we were created in the image of him wouldnt lucifer and him be able to change their minds about their outlook supposedly written thousands of years ago. you base your life on absolute thoughts on faith. which is contradiction in itself.

[TripleMirror]

The devil surely hasn't changed his mind -just look around - and he won't never do that. And why is faith a contradiction? No reason given. I think I stated very clearly my beliefs, and they don't contradict each other.

[atlantis4321]

absolute truths= the only truth.

absolute thoughts on faith= the only truth based on faith.

That is a contradiction you cant have any truth on something such as faith. you cant be telling yourself what is real only on beliefs, let alone anyone else.

[atlantis4321]

how do you know god hasnt turned his back. There is no truth in faith or religion its obsurd that you tell people how it is. its like saying you know how to build a rocketship when you clearly dont know how.

[atlantis4321]

before you say atheist try turning people away from god. i look at it as we bring them back to reality and you try making us follow a life of imagination. just ridiculous.

[TripleMirror]

@atlantis4321 If God proved Himself before human eyes so that noone could deny His existence, He would have forced us to believe in Him. But that's not how He does things. He wants people to base their faith on the proofs they have, so that they have the absolute freedom to choose Him.

[tasteism]

@TripleMirror Please, no offense is meant, but can you give me one reason why I should pray to a God to protect me from evil if he for sure doesn't do it?! Again, no offense meant, but to me that is stupid, absolutely stupid. Let's end this fruitless dialogue. All the best to you too!

[TripleMirror]

@tasteism Of course, it's a matter of choice. The pain of this life is too short to be compared with an eternal life. Anyway, beside God is more less difficult to face it. If you are right and I believe in Him, I don't have anything to lose, but if I am right and you don't believe, I'm very sorry to say it, you will lose anything.

[Bumfacepik2]

@TripleMirror There are a lot of very reasonable and intelligent people who practice religion and to be honest I don't know nearly enough about religious beliefs to condemn them as worthless. That said, I think that following any religion without belief, only as a sort of insurance to save your soul if it's true is not only immoral and dishonest, but also completely useless. I am far from confident in my ability to deceive an almighty god and I find it hard to believe that any mortal could.

[Bumfacepik2]

@tasteism I'm an atheist myself and I don't know a great deal about religion but I would assume that if a god did exist he would allow us to suffer because he didn't want to manipulate us. It is human nature to hurt those around us and it could be that the only way such a being could put an end to our suffering would be to change us irrevocably. And wouldn't that be even more cruel? What I find hard to understand is why someone would take religion literally. It just all seems so contrived.

[tasteism]

@Bumfacepik2 You don't understand why someone takes religion literally? What else could a believer do? Pick out what he likes and ignore what he doesn't like? I don't think that would work. Discussions about religion are absolutely fruitless. It is a field where nothing can be proved and everything is up to speculation. Let the believer believe and let us atheists uselessly suffer.

[tasteism]

@Bumfacepik2 We are convinced our suffering will once have an end and we are out of any existence. That is consolation enough for me. I don't need any reward for my suffering - only everlasting nothingness, that's what I want and am sure to get.

[TripleMirror]

@tasteism Speaking about me, the reason I follow Jesus is love, and nothing else.

[tasteism]

@TripleMirror If you feel being loved by a God, good for you!