Protect Your Assets Now, Pt.1:McAlvany Seminar 2008

[mikeysback70]

Redistribution of wealth is taking from the haves and have nots and giving to the corporate class ...not giving it to the have nots !

[giantrobot0987]

man i watched this bullshit for 3 minutes before i heard the word god and stopped watching, i was hoping to get legitimate information on the financial crisis not just some bullshit about how the decline in spirituality is the cause of the financial crisis.

[Sunclief]

A nation that has forgotten GOD he could say the same about England!

[swamimans]

this is racist bullshit. europeans never had a God

[singletreefilms]

Swami! Your back! And your awesome cheerful spirit with it I see! I hate to point it out but You are wrong on both counts... Where do you get racist out of this? Definitely a stretch. And How can you say Europeans never had a god? Have you ever read history? I am guessing not... or maybe you ate some bad sushi and are hallucinating... I can call 911 for you if you want. Just say the word.

[quiplet]

OK thanks for that last word there! I'm persuaded now!

[quiplet]

No, god isn't lobbying because there is no such being...but the God botherers who are causing so much trouble in the States are certainly lobbying. I assume you are being wilfully dogmatic being a follower of dogma!

[singletreefilms]

As are the botherers of many systems. And you know what happens when you assume... you make an ass out of you and you alone. Ever notice that dogma backwards is amgod? Funny. Of course if I am being willfully dogmatic then you are too it seems. Dogma is not limited to people you consider wrong my friend. And though you may think God does not exist, His existence is not contingent on your belief or mine.

[JiveDadson]

I didn't know McAlvany was a Bible-thumper. He's on top of the financial situation, but ... He should know that people use their morals to design their religion. It's not the other way around. Hasn't he noticed that all sides in the political debate claim their position is the moral one?

[thefaceunveiled]

It is terribly difficult to ontologically divorce morals from a transcendent source. Given the fact that morals are, by definition, immutable, there must an equally immutable source of morals that ontologically transcends the flux of time and space. Such a source would qualify as "God."

So, your assertion that morals precede the formulation of religious doctrines is tantamount to placing the cart before the horse.

[JiveDadson]

It's easy to see that morals precede religion. Observe which parts of the "good books" people promote and which parts they ignore. They use only the parts that jibe with their morals and beliefs. Much of the New Testament is about Jesus going about doing magic tricks. One seldom reads about those.  The bits about loving your enemies, turning the other cheek, and forgiveness get short-shrift also. And it's not just Christians. Muslims choose between words of peace and jihad, depending.

[thefaceunveiled]

You are citing the misconduct of a few adherents, which is hardly a reliable barometer for assessing the value of a belief system itself.

Moreover, you have still not addressed the ontological disjunction that your previous assertion created between immutable moral absolutes and an immutable source of moral absolutes.

[JiveDadson]

Morals are memes. Memes mutate constantly. As for addressing the mumbo jumbo about "ontological disjunction," well, it's hard to get a handle on it. You begin with defining morality contrary to the general understanding of the word, giving it a supernatural property. Re-write your argument. Substitute "immortal unicorn" for "morality." Substitute "flying spaghetti monster" for "God." Try to argue against it. Not easy in 500 words. Too absurd. And not worth your time. Nor mine.

[thefaceunveiled]

Ontology is not "mumbo jumbo." I take it that you are not familiar with philosophy. So, you're correct. This is not a discussion worth having. Not unless you are familiar with the material.

Moreover, the knife cuts both ways. Your invocation of the term "memes" could be equally dismissed as "mumbo jumbo." And, yes, I am familiar with Dawkins' vernacular, which you invoke liberally.

[JiveDadson]

I was bloviating about ontology before your daddy could buy beer. I got over it.

I will agree with you however that this conversation is not worth having. Stay moral. :-)

[thefaceunveiled]

Glad to see that civility in discourse is alive and well. Stay hubristic.

[JiveDadson]

It's not "a few." It's all. No one buys into the whole package. It's impossible because there are glaring contradictions in the texts. But that's not the reason True Believers cherry pick. They cherry pick the bits that are consistent with their morals and beliefs. Religions and sects come and go as societal and group norms vary with conditions.

[thefaceunveiled]

Even if your blanket accusation concerning the selective criterion applied by adherents were true, it would merely constitute an indictment of the adherents themselves. It does not effectively indict the sacred texts themselves. Again, using the misconduct of adherents is not a reliable barometer. Bear in mind, I extend that same courtesy to atheists.

[singletreefilms]

Jive... as Face proved... your arguments , like Dawkins, are emotional and lack substance.

[quiplet]

Well yeah, social political decline but entirely down to democratic defecit. The money has been taken from the have nots and given to the haves on Wall Street (thanks Paulson). And I notice God is doing a lot of lobbying against free health care for the poor lately.

[singletreefilms]

Where are you noticing God lobbying against free health care for the poor? God isn't into lobbying.

[superchink28]

Oh yeah. How about the so many European countries who are not as Bible thumping as USA is. They are doing much better than US.

As people, you don't need an imaginary friend in order to prosper.

[singletreefilms]

Actually no... I suggest you check your assumptions.

[retrocareermelted]

damn, i was on to him till he dropped the G word

[singletreefilms]

Wisdom comes from outside our own understanding...

[cftTURN]

His incorporation of the Scriptures was very very appropriate and on time and truthful. Its not bible-toting, its plain truth to life.

[ksbudks]

Seems there are many lost sheep who haven't found their way Home, yet, in this discussion.

As well, there are many goats who will never be sheep and will never have a clue.

Thus is the Sovereignty of God!

[truthtribe]

Additionally, if you buy gold or silver using federal reserve notes or American issued credit ie; Visa, MC, AMEX........you don't own the gold or silver either since it was exchanged using a debt based currency. Your labor is your only property and since everyone has a SSN# you are automatically the property of U.S.A inc. which makes it impossible for you to own anything outright........ALL 100% TRUE.

[truthtribe]

All of our possessions were bought using gov't issued notes and/or credit. All of those said notes and credit were borrowed by the gov't from an international bank at interest. Therefore, everything you "own"...your assets...are actually owned by the gov't which in turn is owed back to the int. bank.

Basically the only thing they don't own is all the food and drink you have consumed that you have ultimately flushed down the toilet.

So, singletreefilms, people don't have a choice except to run.

[singletreefilms]

As our forefathers founded this country they made this statement that I invoke today... and it will carry us to returning this country to what it should be... "Don't Tread On Me!"

[alanckaye]

tuzmor hit the nail on the head!

[mouelafrica]

bull !!socialism right

[fox20012]

I probably learnt 1 thing from Youtube that i didn't know, Americans come across as extremely religious

[filmtress]

You claim that the leaders want to 'take from the 'haves' and give to the have nots' particularly the ones who don't pay taxes?

The ones who don't pay taxes aren't included (poor) aren't included in "Middle America". Also, the poor haven't forgotten God, it's you rich 'turn coats'. YOU'VE FORGOTTEN GOD! Poor/middle people have to still depend on him/her, just to survive. We're the ones with the faith. Further, how can you be a good example when we all see your corruption? Your God is MONEY!

[ilovemingers]

How can someone make sound and reasoned deductions about finances when they look at all earthly impirical evidence and deduce that the bible is right?

[oopoopeedoop]

Please comment on what impirical evidence you are talking about? I am curious what you see that apparently, I do not.

[kkalayaan]

I tend to agree with the below statement

[TAXMAN1978]

religious nut. I wish you religious folks would just get out a pen and paper and summarize the key points of your belief. Then, on another piece of paper, write the words "I don't believe any of that nonsense." Then, pretending you had not been indoctrinated in the belief, ask yourself which is the rational and correct way of thinking. This method works for lots of things, say, if you believed in flying reindeer or giant invisible teapots in the sky. Just step back and think about it.

[singletreefilms]

Well non-religious all-knowing nut, Before making my choice, I actually did step back and think about it. I have investigated all belief systems of consequence and have found that Jesus is the rational and correct way. Have you? Somehow I doubt you would have the fortitude to, though I can hope. I have also found that God has the answers to the issues we face today. Are you intellectually honest enough to risk investigation? Happy to continue to discuss rationally with you

[TAXMAN1978]

I'm afraid a rational discussion would be quite impossible. I don't believe in holy ghosts, mortal sons of dieties, Zeus, flying reindeer, virgin births, walking on water, streets of gold in celestial palaces, 72 virgins, garden fairies or even his Sauciness, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You, apparently after some serious thought, have decided that you do believe in some of these things to the exclusion of other, equally ridiculous beliefs. Such thought processes escape my comprehension.

[TAXMAN1978]

cont... I mean, whatever floats your boat is cool, but it doesn't make it correct, and certainly not rational, of all things. So, when you start talking economics or whatever other scholarly topic you feel knowledgeable about, and then you attribute our economic condition to religion, for instance, then please understand that you immediately lose all credibility in the eyes of a good many of your audience.

[krayzgerman]

I liked these videos, but this guys zealousness in god, just ruined it for me. Religion has more to do with the cause for this crisis than lack of religion.. if religion or lack thereof has anything to do with it at all.

[singletreefilms]

Your argument holds no water. The cause, without room to lay out a full argument, is really based on man's core predilection to selfishness. Most religions actually move a person to selflessness and looking out for others. Clearly this mess would not have happened if greed and selfishness weren't at the center of it, built into laws and loopholes. The God of Christians is very clear about that, even if some of His followers don't give up self economy for His economy.

[krayzgerman]

Just keep your religion to yourself, please.

[singletreefilms]

I am ... this is my page so I will gladly post what I want. Thats a constitutional thing... you know, the one written by those Christians and Deists? Always happy to have you here and viewing things. If you can't be intellectually honest with yourself and realize that everything has something to do with religion, even the absolute commitment to anti-religion being a religion of its own, then you sure don't have to watch the information put out here. Merry Christmas... seriously.

[krayzgerman]

Blah blah blah, and a ho ho ho.

[singletreefilms]

Good to know you like to make statements that are inflammatory but are unwilling to engage in some sort of real dialogue on the issues. May your life be long and blessed and may you recognize truth when you are facing it. Ho, ho, ho, bruh!

[krayzgerman]

Arguing theology (or anything related) is like driving in circles in a coldisack. I dont want to waste anymore time of my life venturing fruitless quests. This conversation is now dead to me.

[JurkoffJay]

Fuck Christianity. God is the spiritaul force that combines all. It's Nature. We're in this shit because the world destroys nature. We seperated oursleves from Nature/God for money. That's the problem. Christianity gives the story that we are above Nature, animals, and inturn gives Christians the dispensation to do what they please to it. So fuck Christianity!

[singletreefilms]

Jurkoff, I have a couple of requirements for posting you may not be aware of... 1st- If you have to use expletives to get your point across then you don't have a valid point. 2nd - If you are rude in your response it is the same result. Both will get you blocked. I will be glad to have your comments but please respect my desires on these things. Not much to ask.

As to your comments, far more Christians have fought for stewardship of the planet over the centuries than most others. More...

[JurkoffJay]

1st, expletives just gives my shit some spice. It's doesn't make it less valid.

2nd, Blocking someone for expressing themselve isn't justified. No No on your part.

As for your responce to my comment, You proved my point. What gives Christains the right to kill for "stewardship" (Control) over everything? Everything they get thier hands on get destroyed anyways.

[singletreefilms]

My response:

1st.- while you think that using expletives spices up your commentary, it really only makes it stink. A point loses validity when someone, for instance, shouts in someone's face angrily.

2nd - If someone does not respect the terms of using that persons things, then they will suffer the consequences. Clearly justified.

As to your point: Please clarify... Where did killing come into this? Ours is a responsibility to protect and care for all God made, despite those who don't.

[JurkoffJay]

How many war where in the name of Christianity? How many "witches" where burned in the name of Christianity?

You know what! Just forget it. I should know better to get in a agrument with a religous man.

Game over. The end. And I don't give a shit if you block me. I'll block you instead.

[singletreefilms]

I am not offended by what you are saying. Please don't get frustrated about the issue before you have a reason to. You are correct in regards to human beings who have mis- construed or twisted God's design since Jesus came to achieve their own ends. I think that is a travesty and not the way that a believer should be. Certainly there are times when protection of loved ones was necessary but many acts were taken too far historically. So have many other systems taken things too far...

[dhimmicarter]

you stoned or what ?

communism's killed millions upon millions.---now tell US how many wars in the name of Christ and how many witches.....

[JurkoffJay]

w/e dude. It's all bullshit anyways. Wars where fought in the name of chritianity, and Wars where fought over communism. They're both bad.

[blewvelvet]

I agree..there is no evidence of a god..in fact,there was a time before time where people did not even know of a god until someone made it up and pushed it via fear mongering and power control.

If anyone rents the DVD "SICKO" should really look at the EXTRAS on the DVD and how we've been lied to by FOX and conservative news about how other socialist countries have worse-off health care and quality of living.Turns out it's BETTER health care and their money goes back to the people! Not into wars

[singletreefilms]

??? Please back that statement up with fact. There is no factual premise for that. There is, in fact, evidence of a Creator. While you may not agree with that and emotionally feel there is no God you cannot base those feelings on anything substantial. While many religions have been made up, many belief systems do not begin as fear mongering and power control... those are often interjected by the corrupted leaders of those systems... Get some facts and bring 'em on down, bruh!

[TAXMAN1978]

I'm thinking of a book.... 1984.

[andyeza]

I'm tired of this God bullshit. Folks, there is no God, period!

[singletreefilms]

First, regardless of what you believe, don't use expletives here or I will block you. Second, your brilliant evidence for the non-existence of God has convinced me... oh wait... no, that was heartburn. So if you want to actually engage in some actual intelligent discussion of the issue (like something outside of your opinion), send me your email and we can dialogue. Have a great day on the planet God created enjoying the sun He created and sleeping under the glorious stars He created.

[andyeza]

Your video post is very informative but the God/Religion aspect of it is wrong; you can block me if you like. Does the truth make you uncomfortable? And for the record, I don't discuss with close-minded people. There is NO God.

[singletreefilms]

Thank you for the compliment on the video. You may suggest the God premise is wrong but no evidence to prove that. I don't want to block you. I like the discourse. Truth clearly doesn't make me uncomfortable but I think it does you since you are frustrated by the mention of it. I am not close minded but by your statement you seem to be since you won't engage with someone you define as "close-minded" when no true dialogue has begun. So lets have some fun discussing... and There IS a God.

[tacotony24]

"protestant ethic" is a joke - the anglo-saxons became wealthy only by looting other people's land and exploiting other people's labor. Confronted by powerful economies such as China and Japan, their supposedly impregnable walls came tumbling down.

[singletreefilms]

I would recommend you revisit your history. Any looting and exploiting of one people was usually in response to having the same perpetuated on them by another people group. Its our base human Nature... the reason we need a God who loves us and a moral structure based on absolutes so we can't do whatever we want. By the way, China isn't as powerful an economy as it appears and Japan is what it is because we put it back together encouraged it to become what it is.

[tacotony24]

Rationalizing looting and exploiting as "base human Nature" is fallacious reasoning. It's an illogical premise - not to mention the deaths and destruction these inflicted upon the victims.

Regarding your history, it's fascinating that your current president sounded sanctimonious by invoking a loving God during the invasion of Iraq. After thousands of death, destruction, billions wasted, an untamed insurgency, and a few cronies becoming wealthy, are you restricted by any moral absolute?

[JollyRoger446]

No one like Obama or McCain, and there's no real difference between what they'll do as president. Why don't you vote libertarian intead of staying home? Check out Chuck Baldwin and the libertarian party.

[VINNYMOR]

No one discusses Ron Paul anymore. I intend to write in his name on the ballot. I believe Ron is the only man driven to save this county.

Please, I urge all to WRITE IN RON PAUL.

[CadeMcNown1]

the simple fact is.......voting fot the socialist barack obama IS GOING to make things worse. this is going to be the first time in my life that i am not going to vote. because i do not like mccain either

[nokilt1]

i see god is mentioned in many comments

a quick look into the basic premise of sociology will tell you why

as one stabilizing factor in society declines, it forces a rise in another

belief in god is just one of the seven stabilizing factors in society

loss of the family unit, and bad government will both tend to push god forward as a stabilizing factor

it only makes sense people will"lean" more on a belief in god in these times

[Kalvin00]

I love hearing you talk about economics, but please, for the love of all the Gods that do not exist, leave your fake religion fairies out of it.

[stock2newhighs]

It is no coincidence that athiest cultures are all ruled by brutal dictatorships and with untold human oppresion. Will Christian cultures are democracies.

[stock2newhighs]

While

[richardaj230]

all ruled by brutal dictatorships

atheism isnt communism. Your ignorance is stinky

Christian cultures are democracies.

No they're not, and have not always been.

[singletreefilms]

I am afraid this all or none approach to both sides doesn't work here. There are clear instances of both but also instances of the opposite on both sides of the fence. Please do your research before making inflammatory statements. Just so you know, I am a Christian but I expect for discourse here to be intelligent. Thanks and do engage with us more.

[singletreefilms]

Kalvin00

Economics discussed here are based on this God you think doesn't exist so you will have to enter into the full discourse or choose to pass on what you do agree with. Happy to discuss any ideas though.

[Marduk1968]

He is right. We are no longer the same nation we were a couple of generations ago. We have forgotten God and Christianity is quickly spreading in China. This next decade will be remembered for the decline of the West and the rise of the east. It is sad to think about it because America for most of its history (although the record is far from perfect) has been mostly a force for good in this world.

[cybersphere]

You don't need to bring religion into the argument. Greed, rampant materialism, envy, irrational exhuberance, sloth, deception and plain stupidity are some of the causative factors.

[stock2newhighs]

Belief in God is the only way man can control all those evils which you have mentioned.

[Twinaces22]

The collapse of the American Empire

[mrzack888]

NOOOOOOOO!! I don't believe you. America is Good!! Never go down. always number 1 !!!! Why do you hate America??

[codematrix]

You're kinding right?

[singletreefilms]

There is absolutely no hating the United States of America here. I am a proud constitutional patriot. However, due to many poor decisions and votes by power hungry congress's and administrations over the years, we, the people, are suffering much loss of freedom and economic policies that cannot hold up under the pressures put against them. The idea here is to get back the freedoms that we were created to have and to give those freedoms to the world.