WEELL : Taken Hume's Bundle Theory, that things are just defined because of their attributes and combined with Descarte's Ontological Arguement which states that the describtion of objects necessitate the existance of these object, one could logically conclude that an ORANGE: is orange due to the axiom that is given by it's name: ORANGE!!!!
This is so fucking stupid, I have seen plenty of pure orange that is definitely orange in colour and even if they are wrong and the juice in question is yellow in colour, it is not a philosophical exercise.
Really? Wow, i didn't know that, but I do enjoy Orangina. Mainly because the first time I bought it was for laughs because it had "gina" in it. But then I started to like it.
I live in Canada, and it is a US product so I only get it when I'm in the US.
Very interesting that consumers would react in such a "placebo effect" kinda way to an alternate stimuli . . . if that makes sense.
I've seen orange juice of many different shades, depending on the brand, the amount of pulp, etc. You'd need to draw a line and make a clear-cut distinction between the color orange and the color yellow, and then find the average shade of a large sampling of different types of orange juice. Then, you compare the average orange juice color to your color scale.
umm... is it bad that I immediately jumped to the argument that color doesn't exactly exist, and its merely a perception based on wavelength of light reflected off of an object (making it a property of the light, not the object itself); but the idea of just saying its yellow, not orange didn't cross my mind until you said it? Do I still qualify as a philosopher? lol
i guess you could go further into the question of " why is it called ORANGE juice in the first place" because it comes from oranges. not because its orange lol
how annoying i just wrote a huge comment then accidentally didn't post it grr.
Anyway, the gist of it was that i find it funny that all your very interesting vids about religious philosophy get about 2/3 stars then a little random one about orange juice gets 5.
And i think your videos are really cool! It's like I don't have to sit around pondering stuff,I can just listen to your ideas then think about them myself and skip the hard bits! haha
Don't let all the thinking drive you mad though! :)
(But i suppose it's hard for someone to strongly object to your ideas about orange juice, unlike the touchy subject of religion... hence the higher rating. Plus, it's a pretty cool realisation that it's yellow. )
that is what conventional wisdom says! Do you know for a fact that color is a property of light? Can you see in the dark? I think not. Yea, what about that!? haha
but we DO know for a fact that color is a property of light. Specifically, the frequency. You can change the color of something by changing the frequency of the
The term "color" is defined by the frequency of the light. If you want to say that "color" refers to something else, you're just using the term wrong!
It's like asking "how happy is a rock when it's sunny out"
Your point is moot. While colors do in fact change in different light frequencies, you cannot see in the dark, therefore you do not know the color of the item. Say, for example, you have a red shirt on. In a room lighted with flouresent bulbs it would appear red, but, in a room lighted with black lights, it would appear differently. Now, say you are wearing that same red shirt in a room with no light. What color is it now? You have no way of answering that because you cannot see in the dark.
First of all... The reason there's no way of answering that is because "color" refers only to those wavelengths of light that are in the visible spectrum. There are none, so there is no color. The item does not have a color if the electrons inside it don't produce e/m radiation in the frequency range of normal light.
They DO produce photons, but they aren't energetic enough for our eyes to see... that is to have color. All adding light does is energize electrons.
Well, i figured it out. We will never agree on this issue because we are going about it very differently. You are speaking from a scientific view, and I am speaking from a philosophical view. While i do not agree with the comment i am replying to, I do respect your reasoning. It seems I have found a worthy opponent on YouTube! Finally! BTW, If I was basing this arguement on scientific facts, I would be forced to agree with you, but, I am not, so..... I don't.
Fine fine, i'll go about it the "fair" way. With no trump card of science.
And that method would be completely semantically:
Define precisely what you mean by "color" -- When you say something is "red" are you referring to what you believe to be a property of the thing's essence, or are you referring to a property of how you see it?
Well then i say to you: The standard definition doesn't address this distinction. Your answer suggests that you consider "color" to be a property of the object itself rather than merely your perception of the object.
If that's so, would you say that it's still yellow in a room full of blue light (such that the orange juice looks blue)?
Ooh. Nice! I believe we all may have different perceptions of color. I see red, you see red, we all see red, but, What is red? There is no way of arguing color because, we may in fact all perseve it differently, but it still is red to me, red to you. This is actually blowing my mind right now! Now, try to explain color to a person who was born blind! It is impossible, well, I think it is. Any views on this one mrbluesky. BTW mr blue sky is a great song, but my fave ELO song would be Showdown!
WELL actually, to dip back into the well of science-- they have devices now that people can put on their tongue and deliver visual information. The person can eventually learn to see using the device, and that includes color.... but that's getting away from the real question. Which i agree it's impossible to describe to someone who's never seen anything.
I'm not sure what the device is called (google it maybe)... but it's essentially just a camera and a series of wires that delivers a different signal depending on the visual data picked up by the camera.
Haha i doubt a blind person would see anything. The poor suckers. (good thing they can't read this).
"Haha i doubt a blind person would see anything. The poor suckers. (good thing they can't read this) " - mrbluesky323
We have screen readers, you insensitive clod!
Nah j/k lol, my eyesight is crap but present; the only time I'd use TTS on a youtube page is for the delighted amusement of having inane misspelt comments read out to me in a lazy british drawl (if you put the speed to about 40% he totally sounds like a window-licking, shortbus-riding mong, it's fantastic)
Heh, for some reason "making videos blind-accessible" made me think of a scene in some movie where someone is describing a Marmaduke cartoon frame by frame to someone over the phone and taking ages because they keep laughing even though that comic is of course wrist-slittingly mundane :P
Random...
While we're on the subject, though - some quality comics:
wait second ... 'philosophy' has it's eytmological roots in the classical greek as "lover (or one who loves) knowledge". not a f**king thing about orange juice, never mind fluctuations in the reflective nature of light.
or maybe it means "lover (or one who loves) young boys".
WOAH.... I've been living my life thinking orange juice is orange...shit. Amazing isn't it how the name of something influences our perception of it.I'm so showing my philosophy teacher this.=D You made my day.
simply in the interests of being the fly in the ointment, the question could couched in the terms of 'aesthetics' ... or even 'epistemology' (how do we 'know' that there is actually is an objective quality known as 'color' & that it can be differentiated in terms of 'yellow' & 'orange').
jeez ... i miss grad school & all those endless, pointless arguments about ... nothing in particular.
I totally agree, I just did an exam on philosophy because I'm doing it as a subject at school, I thought he was about to talk about Descartes and epistemology aswell.
spark - paddy's heart in is the right place & that's really all that matters to this old, former academic fart.
'ontologically' speaking, paddy's on fairly solid footing. me, i just felt like busting his balls.
btw, you all need a 12 step program ... immediately. don't hesitate -- turn your will & lives over to god as you understand him. s**t - now we're on to the subject of 'disambibuation' ... maybe even 'epistemology'.
WEELL : Taken Hume's Bundle Theory, that things are just defined because of their attributes and combined with Descarte's Ontological Arguement which states that the describtion of objects necessitate the existance of these object, one could logically conclude that an ORANGE: is orange due to the axiom that is given by it's name: ORANGE!!!!
OppositionX99 3 months ago
omg, worst video ever, nice VGA canera, by the end of the video I counted all the pixels. keep making them!
fajeris 5 months ago
gtf off the meth.
KingMishming 1 year ago
you´re hilarious!!
IstalkBananas 1 year ago
Very nice video, man
MarkComrade 1 year ago
°_°
DeeKey666 1 year ago
im colour blind! There both yellow!
xxxtigerxxx4 1 year ago
This is so fucking stupid, I have seen plenty of pure orange that is definitely orange in colour and even if they are wrong and the juice in question is yellow in colour, it is not a philosophical exercise.
It is a word association trick.
shamanglynn 1 year ago
its yellow and orange asshole.
thramagen 2 years ago
Yes but there are also blood oranges so it can also be Red correct me if this is just usual Wikipedia bullshit
TheSickness14 2 years ago
Well i was wondering what song did you use for the video?
24Rhett42 2 years ago
a) some orange juice is more orange and some is more yellow.
b) I'm colorblind.
ethervagabond 2 years ago
to me, orange juice doesn't look completely yellow, nor completely orange, but a yellow-orange.
mrphilly727 2 years ago
Really? Wow, i didn't know that, but I do enjoy Orangina. Mainly because the first time I bought it was for laughs because it had "gina" in it. But then I started to like it.
I live in Canada, and it is a US product so I only get it when I'm in the US.
Very interesting that consumers would react in such a "placebo effect" kinda way to an alternate stimuli . . . if that makes sense.
R4WRG4SM 2 years ago
Yay, I was right!
MxC1337MxCsh43d 2 years ago
not bad. i said yellow though so i guess im not a complete idiot.
TehDuct 2 years ago
does it still work if I'm color blind?
runeflame16 2 years ago 2
I say who cares about the color and just drink the damn juice.
axlman5 2 years ago
I've seen orange juice of many different shades, depending on the brand, the amount of pulp, etc. You'd need to draw a line and make a clear-cut distinction between the color orange and the color yellow, and then find the average shade of a large sampling of different types of orange juice. Then, you compare the average orange juice color to your color scale.
shelbycobra131 2 years ago
Love it!
LogicalSanity 2 years ago
Let's get married and have little babies.
itsambolina 2 years ago
umm... is it bad that I immediately jumped to the argument that color doesn't exactly exist, and its merely a perception based on wavelength of light reflected off of an object (making it a property of the light, not the object itself); but the idea of just saying its yellow, not orange didn't cross my mind until you said it? Do I still qualify as a philosopher? lol
metaphilosophy 2 years ago
your a metaphysicist. you make the knife sharp so us guys can cut. :P
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
@PaddyCuinne sometimes it's orange and sometimes it's yellow
TheSickness14 1 year ago
lol to chey. :D
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
Your sooo awsomee (:
Keep making videos
Amber xX
xXxAmberxXx136 2 years ago
Thanks :D
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
DOCTOR OCTAGANAPUS! BLAAAAARGH!
TheTheifInYourHead 2 years ago
It is orange lol !!!!!
lunarain19 2 years ago
Haha, thats awesome. Makes me laugh :D
Love your point of view.
TheCaptainRandy 2 years ago
haha, i like this.
p.s. this is kelli.
how've you been?
xkelli23 2 years ago
up n' down. urself? btw just a question. where do you hang out day to day?
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
also up and down actually.
uhh.
it depends on the day.
most of the time im at school.
clubs and class and things like that.
sometimes my house.
sometimes friends.
sometimes the movies.
xkelli23 2 years ago
sounds good like. i'm just bored at the moment. al my friends are at school..
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
that sucks. im actually applying for college as i write this.
xkelli23 2 years ago
i guess you could go further into the question of " why is it called ORANGE juice in the first place" because it comes from oranges. not because its orange lol
evilresidence4 2 years ago
witgenstien would love you :P
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
how annoying i just wrote a huge comment then accidentally didn't post it grr.
Anyway, the gist of it was that i find it funny that all your very interesting vids about religious philosophy get about 2/3 stars then a little random one about orange juice gets 5.
And i think your videos are really cool! It's like I don't have to sit around pondering stuff,I can just listen to your ideas then think about them myself and skip the hard bits! haha
Don't let all the thinking drive you mad though! :)
emmamma123 2 years ago
(But i suppose it's hard for someone to strongly object to your ideas about orange juice, unlike the touchy subject of religion... hence the higher rating. Plus, it's a pretty cool realisation that it's yellow. )
emmamma123 2 years ago
i like purple drank
RRV85 2 years ago
lol wtf my man?
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
Damn it paddy it's orange!!!!!
fatbutjustfat 2 years ago
PaddyCuinne,
My favorite question what is the color of an orange? Orange? Good job and thanks for sharing.
Captain C & Crew
ClipCritics 2 years ago
Dude... Take the time you have as granted! You don't know what happens tomorrow, do you?
med1367 2 years ago
i said yellow! but the real question is... What color is it in the dark?
psychedelnick1 2 years ago
how dark? lol
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
color is a property of light. no light - no color :p
xerc1 2 years ago
that is what conventional wisdom says! Do you know for a fact that color is a property of light? Can you see in the dark? I think not. Yea, what about that!? haha
psychedelnick1 2 years ago
Damn you! You've checkmated my scientific aproach. Curses!
xerc1 2 years ago
woo. now i feel smart!! lol
psychedelnick1 2 years ago
but we DO know for a fact that color is a property of light. Specifically, the frequency. You can change the color of something by changing the frequency of the
The term "color" is defined by the frequency of the light. If you want to say that "color" refers to something else, you're just using the term wrong!
It's like asking "how happy is a rock when it's sunny out"
mrbluesky323 2 years ago
Your point is moot. While colors do in fact change in different light frequencies, you cannot see in the dark, therefore you do not know the color of the item. Say, for example, you have a red shirt on. In a room lighted with flouresent bulbs it would appear red, but, in a room lighted with black lights, it would appear differently. Now, say you are wearing that same red shirt in a room with no light. What color is it now? You have no way of answering that because you cannot see in the dark.
psychedelnick1 2 years ago
Wrong, sir!
First of all... The reason there's no way of answering that is because "color" refers only to those wavelengths of light that are in the visible spectrum. There are none, so there is no color. The item does not have a color if the electrons inside it don't produce e/m radiation in the frequency range of normal light.
They DO produce photons, but they aren't energetic enough for our eyes to see... that is to have color. All adding light does is energize electrons.
mrbluesky323 2 years ago
Well, i figured it out. We will never agree on this issue because we are going about it very differently. You are speaking from a scientific view, and I am speaking from a philosophical view. While i do not agree with the comment i am replying to, I do respect your reasoning. It seems I have found a worthy opponent on YouTube! Finally! BTW, If I was basing this arguement on scientific facts, I would be forced to agree with you, but, I am not, so..... I don't.
psychedelnick1 2 years ago
Fine fine, i'll go about it the "fair" way. With no trump card of science.
And that method would be completely semantically:
Define precisely what you mean by "color" -- When you say something is "red" are you referring to what you believe to be a property of the thing's essence, or are you referring to a property of how you see it?
mrbluesky323 2 years ago
It is yellow by the standard definition of the word yellow. so its yellow lol. simple as that
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
I was responding to psychedelnick. "What color is it if there's no light present?"
mrbluesky323 2 years ago
still wanted in on the action lol
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
Well then i say to you: The standard definition doesn't address this distinction. Your answer suggests that you consider "color" to be a property of the object itself rather than merely your perception of the object.
If that's so, would you say that it's still yellow in a room full of blue light (such that the orange juice looks blue)?
mrbluesky323 2 years ago
Ooh. Nice! I believe we all may have different perceptions of color. I see red, you see red, we all see red, but, What is red? There is no way of arguing color because, we may in fact all perseve it differently, but it still is red to me, red to you. This is actually blowing my mind right now! Now, try to explain color to a person who was born blind! It is impossible, well, I think it is. Any views on this one mrbluesky. BTW mr blue sky is a great song, but my fave ELO song would be Showdown!
psychedelnick1 2 years ago
WELL actually, to dip back into the well of science-- they have devices now that people can put on their tongue and deliver visual information. The person can eventually learn to see using the device, and that includes color.... but that's getting away from the real question. Which i agree it's impossible to describe to someone who's never seen anything.
Yea i like showdown too.
mrbluesky323 2 years ago
that is awesome! what is the thing they put on the tongue?
off subject, just a curious question.
What would a blind person see if he/she took LSD?
psychedelnick1 2 years ago
I'm not sure what the device is called (google it maybe)... but it's essentially just a camera and a series of wires that delivers a different signal depending on the visual data picked up by the camera.
Haha i doubt a blind person would see anything. The poor suckers. (good thing they can't read this).
mrbluesky323 2 years ago
"Haha i doubt a blind person would see anything. The poor suckers. (good thing they can't read this) " - mrbluesky323
We have screen readers, you insensitive clod!
Nah j/k lol, my eyesight is crap but present; the only time I'd use TTS on a youtube page is for the delighted amusement of having inane misspelt comments read out to me in a lazy british drawl (if you put the speed to about 40% he totally sounds like a window-licking, shortbus-riding mong, it's fantastic)
Btw, great vid Paddy :P
Gliktch 2 years ago
thanks lol. as long as the point got across. il make my videos more blind accesable in future :P
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
Heh, for some reason "making videos blind-accessible" made me think of a scene in some movie where someone is describing a Marmaduke cartoon frame by frame to someone over the phone and taking ages because they keep laughing even though that comic is of course wrist-slittingly mundane :P
Random...
While we're on the subject, though - some quality comics:
xkcdDOTcom
gocomicsDOTcom/nonsequitur
GarfieldMinusGarfieldDOTnet
Some great stuff there ;)
Btw, that was a quick sub, thanks! :)
Gliktch 2 years ago
:O brain explodes.
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
HAHA! This is why i love your vids, because they make me think in different ways. keep em coming. : )
psychedelnick1 2 years ago
thanks man. will do
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
this is messing with even me lol
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
but we all call that wavelength red even if we experience it differently. sweet convo
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
Colours standard definition is how something is viewed in standard light.(i think :P)
it can look different colours but in standard light its yellow. lol.
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
haha thats true. doesnt change it thought
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
lol that was cute and accurate :P
asked the question i instantly went yellow....
and i lightly confused myself on why i said yellow XD
but i was right :P
InuyashaVsLoveless 2 years ago
wait second ... 'philosophy' has it's eytmological roots in the classical greek as "lover (or one who loves) knowledge". not a f**king thing about orange juice, never mind fluctuations in the reflective nature of light.
or maybe it means "lover (or one who loves) young boys".
oh, crap. my classical greek is a little rusty.
carry on ... .
notspeedy0314 2 years ago
It means the love of wisdom.
But an integral part of philosophy is doubt... even of orange juice
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
WOAH.... I've been living my life thinking orange juice is orange...shit. Amazing isn't it how the name of something influences our perception of it.I'm so showing my philosophy teacher this.=D You made my day.
TheStarSpark 2 years ago
Sweet.
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
Dude you got me!! I always thought it was orange until you made me think about it just now. ha ha
superextremelaser 2 years ago
Wierd isn't it. Now think in the same way about government. its not orange either.
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
simply in the interests of being the fly in the ointment, the question could couched in the terms of 'aesthetics' ... or even 'epistemology' (how do we 'know' that there is actually is an objective quality known as 'color' & that it can be differentiated in terms of 'yellow' & 'orange').
jeez ... i miss grad school & all those endless, pointless arguments about ... nothing in particular.
notspeedy0314 2 years ago
I totally agree, I just did an exam on philosophy because I'm doing it as a subject at school, I thought he was about to talk about Descartes and epistemology aswell.
TheStarSpark 2 years ago
spark - paddy's heart in is the right place & that's really all that matters to this old, former academic fart.
'ontologically' speaking, paddy's on fairly solid footing. me, i just felt like busting his balls.
btw, you all need a 12 step program ... immediately. don't hesitate -- turn your will & lives over to god as you understand him. s**t - now we're on to the subject of 'disambibuation' ... maybe even 'epistemology'.
dog dammit!
notspeedy0314 2 years ago
that should read 'disambiguation', btw.
notspeedy0314 2 years ago
Haha. i love how all this came from "is orange juice yellow"
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
i would totally ditch descartes if i were you. mind/body dualism & mathematical proofs of a 'first cause' ... boring!
go with lacan or jean genet. very bdsm & homoerotic. and none too shabby on the quasi-intellectual blah blah blah, neither!
notspeedy0314 2 years ago
haha. Thatl help me pass..
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
Tis great
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
Your videos are better without music.
deathstarcafe 2 years ago
really? can anyone who sees this tell me your opinions. i thought they were more interesting.
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
Haha, awesome Paddy. Go on BlogTV!
RoomOfMusic 2 years ago
what time's this blog tv thing at? I would like to watch :)
niallcushnahan 2 years ago
if you go on to blog tv and find me and sub itl tell you when im on mate
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
made me lol. good vid man.
schitzokid 2 years ago
cheers:D
PaddyCuinne 2 years ago
I've never gotten why they called it an orange when it was yellow, but whatever. Right?
Cash4Words 2 years ago
still looks orange to me?!?
banandababa 2 years ago
The juice was photoshopped before they put it in the orange.
KevinSolway 2 years ago
lol yep its yellow
Tigermania08 2 years ago
haha great video paddy...
i would like some orange juice nao xD
saralikesdaisies 2 years ago
another fine vid. Good job.
Hrubjub 2 years ago