French Horn Jazz bebop scale

[cutiepup2478]

I'm a newbie at the French Horn and I'm the only one in my whole school to play it (there are over 1000 people), so as you may imagine it is pretty hard. But I love the sound and everything it brings to the band!

[Thunderbird093]

This is so knuckin' COOL

[jimmyjamjar10101]

Same scale as the family guy theme song bass line :D

[lilpinky0880]

Is that a single horn? Why do you play your below the staff D first and third trigger?

[Marsuvees1298]

@lilpinky0880 It is a descant horn, not a standard double. A descant is in the key of Bb without the trigger, and high F with the trigger, Whereas a double is low F without, and Bb with the trigger.

[curlygirl96]

Awesome!

[continentalb737800]

Anyone think what would happen if you play the French horn in any country except France?

[JTSHHS]

Mike Rowe plays french horn?

[rootbeerazor]

That sounded pretty nice. Do you ever march drumcorp or just did you do jazz ensembles?

[smiles0015]

Thanks alot guys!!

[space917023]

Fantabulous!! Piece of cake, had found the entire album for free download at DownloadMusic/./im, take away the slashes and you are to good to go..

[DoomsdayVivi]

Lol they're amazing I think.

[DoomsdayVivi]

:D And have you ever heard a Clarinet Jazz player? Search Jelly Roll Morton Black Bottom Stomp, amazing Jazz Clarinetist (If that's the correct term for one who plays the clarinet lol)

[DoomsdayVivi]

It's to make things so versatile. I think playing an instrument that can only be played in an orchestra is so boring. Even though Orchestra's play a variety of things it's not that fun. It's like a flautist playing flute for x amount of years in an orchestra, they may want to do things outside of that orchestra if they are musical. Don't get me wrong I'm not too sure how much time an orchestra would take up but I do assume it wouldn't be all year around. :)

[Roxxee010]

Actually a long time ago, Horn was a jazz instrument. Jazz writers just stopped putting it in after a while. Kind of like Horn vibrato and jazz Clarinet. Just not as popular, but not impossible to find =]

[Alkemedis23]

@epikownage im sorry to dissapoint you but they are.look up adam unsworth's excerpt this! cd and come back and talk to me

[trumpsaxbob]

this cat is kiliin!!! i love it

[CheesyDude101]

after seeing this video i actually am going to practice my horn .... great job.

[smiles0015]

wow that was cool! ill really have to take ur advise! wonder if my band director will let me play fhorn in jazz band? guess ill find out! :)

[resojoe]

Glad you liked it. ask your jazz band director to play a trombone part. That is a great way to get started and the transposition is easy, your director should be able to help you.

reso

[heresmycardjoker]

@smiles0015- many times, glenn miller used a french horn in his band, usually in the trombone section. i have also seen footage with a horn in the trumpet section

[starfall9167]

@smiles0015 I was thinking the same my school also have a jazz band .

[ana3diaz]

ive been playin french horn for three years and i love it

[Storm438]

nice playing joe nice tone....hmm for somereason very few judges at contests dont like my tone ... i wonder y....i guess everyone plays the horn diffrently

[resojoe]

Thanks! Most people like the big dark french horn tone but I prefer it to be lighter and brighter which is one reason I play a descant horn.

[mmmmmmmmmmhmmmmm]

Wow!!!! I got my french horn yesterday and I can barely do anything plus I'm the smallest in my class and I got one of the heaviest instruments!! I really didn't wan to play the french horn but I found this clip and it's given me more hope !! thanks!! p.s. you were great!! :P

[resojoe]

Thanks! The horn was really big for me when I started out as well. You'll have a lifetime of fun playing the french horn! Best of luck to you!

Reso

[pianopeeps]

wooooah that was really cool~! I just started playing french horn last year in grade 9 music, so obviously I need a looot more practice if i want to get any better :P

[resojoe]

Thanks for watching! Practice is the key!

[pianopeeps]

ooh for sure. I'm heading into grade 9 piano this September and I definitely know that practice is essential if you want to get any better.

[teejay09]

beautiful tone

[PROIMZ]

wat kind of horn is that?

[resojoe]

Thanks, it's a Paxman model 40 descant. I've had it about 20 years.

[PROIMZ]

wow that's so cool

[superrater]

cool! could u do more stuff like that? I play horn, and after a while, normal classical music gets borrring.

[resojoe]

I would like to. Hopefully get a couple completed soon. Thanks for watching!

[superrater]

Okey Dokey

[skoalman666]

What made you decide to get a descant?

[resojoe]

It's the sound I want to hear from horn. I've been playing this as my main horn since 1988. It blends with a section just fine. I do occasionally play an 8D when I need the real dark sound or lot's of volume.

[brooklynwegohard45]

i play the french horn but imma play the flute nxt year

[snoopy0822]

Awesome dude. I'm going to add that to my blues scale, then I can just play those 2 things over anything!!!! Ya jazz.

[resojoe]

Thanks, glad you liked it!

[slacker3442]

Playing jazz on french horn is stupid. That completely defeats the purpose of the french horn. Pick up a trumpet or trombone if you want to play jazz.

[JazzLOCO]

Wow... such ignorance...

It's like saying the same of the piano in the prior periods of classical... not to mention that Bach was proficient improvising... Mozart, Beethoven, Liszt, Chopin, etc... they all improvised... there was no "jazz" as a macrogenre, but the concept was there, man...

[teddystone510]

method for d: start on d , to f to g to g sharp to a to c to d . it sounds ultimately bluesy

thanks!

[gamecube6]

im in a nith grade band and i played for 5 months and i dont know any notes below D or higher than C

[resojoe]

keep on practicing, it'll come in time.

[deemerch]

thanks bro, sounding good

[preppygirl987]

WOW YOU ARE GOOD... I am in 8 grade band and the number one french horn player in 3 schools and i'm not going to lie but the french horn is one of the hardest insturments to play....

[manhattan6896]

i am pretty sure it was named hardest instrument of 2008 i think it was not completely sure but pretty sure i play bassoon :D

[Sharpmie2]

I play, 1st seat, also 8th grade band. It is a very hard instrument to play, mainly due to the fact that there are multiple notes you could reach with any given fingering, and they could still happen even with the right embouchure. It is hard to sound professional on at a young age, but practice makes you sound awesome.

[AC5GH]

Yeah, I am an 8th grade Trumpet player, one of the best in the band, and I recently switched to French horn so I could learn another instrument before high school, and it practice really is key to sounding great

[shib340]

First seat? You have "first seats" in 8th grade? I'm sorry but who do you think you are? In 8th grade, many kids, including myself, didn't even practice and still got wound up as first horn every piece.

[mynamisdan]

haha david baker jazz lick

[likeduh14]

that was cool! jazz horn, i like it! one question though: i'm curious as to your fingerings of D and E on the first scale you do. you finger them 1&3 and 1&2. normally they are fingered 1 and open on the F side of the horn. Is there any special reason for the different fingerings?

[resojoe]

Good eye! My figerings are a little different because I play a descant horn Bb/hif. I'm playing this on the hif side and my middle register has the same fingerings as the low register on a regular double horn.

[resojoe]

Actually, yes. I'm playing a Bb/hif descant horn. My fingerings are similar to the low register of the standard double horn.

Good eye!

[tomvarner]

Thanks Joe! See people, you CAN play jazz on Fr horn.  Also, this scale can be thought of as a dominant 7th scale with a passing-tone major 7th note. Standard vocabulary in 40s 50s 60s jazz. For more on jazz fr horn, google John Clark, Vincent Chancey, and me-- Tom Varner --best to all--

[tomvarner]

sorry for repeat--new at this--tom v

[resojoe]

Thanks Tom! Your records Tom Varner, Motion/Stillness and Covert Action got me started. Love those pedal tones!

[collin15110]

say what?

[tomvarner]

Thanks Joe! You can also think of this scale as a dominant 7th scale with a passing-tone major 7th note added. See people, you CAN play jazz on fr horn. It is great for jazz. For more info, check out John Clark, Vincent Chancey, and me--Tom Varner --best to all--

[collin15110]

uh...my name isnt joe

[LinnDamnit]

sounds like a saxophone..

[thisisntagoodname]

saxes and horns have completely different sounds. Horn sounds mellow and warm while alto sax is more reedy and sharp in texture.

[rysoke24]

Also generic alto's are a halfstep away from horn's pitch, if thats making you think it sounds like a sax at all

[bagnewauckland]

Alto Saxes are in Eb, Horns are in F. That's a whole step.

[autry2]

Iv been playing for about 15 years and thats realy cool how you did that with the tone of the horn it give the music the extra mellow jazzy sound! Great job!

[sk8rzrole17]

I can play that scale but I'm having a harder time on both the lower and higher octave. I have that problem with like... the Eb, Bb, E Major, and the F scale lol

[oblio1000]

Dress up next time.

More horn, slower, with feeling.

[99funkygirl99]

cant hear you

[kareljuwet]

turn up your sound then

[99funkygirl99]

no i mean his voice is grumbly

[kareljuwet]

ok sorry

[TunnerLacy]

I can hear him fine

[jambii1993]

whhaaaatt diidd u saayyyy!!!!???

[Lupi1234]

what did he say?

[jambii1993]

lol i have no idea what he said... i couldnt hear him

[Moonmatt2]

Imma french horn player too, thanks man. your a baller

[dag62emailvccsedu]

good information! thanks!

[stephenjacobsl]

wow

i have a conn 8d

solid horn

[fireproof1212]

me too!

[likeduh14]

ditto!! gotta love em...

[stephenjacobsl]

what horn is that

i know its a double

but looks like a paxman

or just and old yamaha

[resojoe]

I'm playing a Paxman model 40 descant. it's un laquered so it looks older than it is.

[Marcu5r0xs0x]

how do you "ghost" the way you do? i know on saxophone it is done with the tounge laying on the reed, obviously this is not the case with french horn. also, how do you get your bends and scoops to sound so smooth?

[resojoe]

thanks Marcus, In a nutshell,I grew up listening to Miles Davis. I picked up the "ghost" notes from his recordings and they just became part of my playing. Also check out Kenny Dorham and Clifford Brown for articulations.

[p0ndu5]

I just picked up Jerry Bergonzi's book on Bebop Scales, and he also states that the bebop scale is based on 1 2 3 4 5 6b 6 7 8. The whole book is built around that basic premise. The reason why is that a chord tone will always land on a beat when played in this manner, which is why it works over certain chords.  So, after watching this video I'm confused... what gives?

[Marcu5r0xs0x]

I have the abersold book "How to play jazz and improvise" and it also states that the bebop scale is based on 1 2 3 4 5 6 7b 7 8.

[blacklinefish]

I think the scale shown here is often called the Dominant 7th Bebop scale. It has the flat seventh.

The major scale with the flat-6th added is often called the Major Bebop scale.

Oh, and there is a minor Bebop as well (1 2 b3 3 4 5 6 b7 8).

[resojoe]

yea, there are different names for the scale and lot's of variations on it. this is just one variation that I like to use. thanks.

[resojoe]

I learned the way I do it from a David baker book I think about 20 years ago. There is more than one way to play it. a flat 6 and

Maj7. would sound odd against a Dom7th chord.

I remember hearing J. Bergonzi in the 80's around Boston. He's a monster player and composer.

[armeska]

i like it!!

i need jazz on the horn ;)

more explanation please...

more tecnics,,, or something...

grettings from mexico :D

[105516]

Hi or Hola

Whatever you say :D

[armeska]

hola :D hahahahaha

[catandpiddle]

Bravo. I learned something, thank you.

BTW could you record at a little higher volume, please?

Pretty hard to hear this one.

[resojoe]

Thanks, glad you liked it. Yea, the volume turned out a little low. I'll fix it for the next one.

[Fingernail101]

Jazz french horn for the win! Cudos.

[karpopper]

Right you are, I was confusing a bebop with a major bebop and a blues.Thanks for the help

[karpopper]

isn't that a blues scale bebop scale is somthin else flat or sharp between the 5-6 for a major bebop ?

[resojoe]

What I'm describing is the bebop scale which is 1,2,3,4,5,6,b7,7,1.

The blues scale is spelled 1,b3,4,b5,5,b7,1

Jam On!

[sjn2bjn2]

excellent, thanks

[ezebra222]

Thanks for the tip on the bebop flatted 7th, Joe!!! Going to apply that to mandolin. Never had the chance to see you play the french horn until now. Cool! QUESTIONS: What kind of horn is it? Couldn't hear what you said. Got a website where we can get more music tips from you? THANKS! Keep Posting!