para los que no saben waldner ha jugado 25 torneos europeos y solo gano un individual(1996) y de 25 torneos nacionales suecos gano 6...xq sera,jajjaja jjajaja
el mejor de todos los tiempos es Waldner sin duda, pero la legion tenismesistica de China aumento de fuerza y campeonatos desde que Liu Guoliang es su entrenador... asi que creo que ambos tienen merito... pero eso si Waldner hizo que comiera tierra en este partido¡¡¡ D: XD
Ambos son buenos.. yo soy lapicero y uso el estilo mariposa de revés y el tradicional para bloqueo y contraataque .. y gran parte de la faceta ofensiva moderna del lapicero moderno fue impuesta por Liu ... Y Waldner que decir .. creo que ya todo a sido dicho ... 2 de los mejores tenismesistas de todos los tiempos ... es mejor deleitarse con sus juegos que discutir quien es mejor... Lo único cierto es que jamás (o muy poco probable) se verá un jugador como Waldner...
buen video lei un tipo que decia quien es liu guoliang....cuando se es ignorante es mejor no opinar,esta demas decir quien es el que sabe de tenis de mesa lo tiene clarisimo y por si queda alguna duda hace poco en holanda dirigio a todos los jugadores chinos por que es el actual tecnico de la seleccion china,el mensaje es claro al tipo del video le gsuta mas guoliang y eso tambien esta demas decir quien es waldner.
yo si entiendo al que hizo este video... por ejemplo:
federer vs roddick en tennis
federer puede ser el mejor de la historia pero me quedo con roddick :)! aunque me gusta mucho federer, pero como este es tennis de mesa, me quedo con ambos :)!
At age 44 , Jan ove Waldner the king won his 9th Gold medal in the Swedish Champion ships in tabe tennis.. Thats what i call love to the sport.. He has so much money so he doesnt need to play anymore.. But he still plays because he loves it.. And he win at age 44.. Thats what i call amazing.. I even heard hes going to try to play in next OS its sick :D..
@J0kerofHearts Actually no, they reinvented Penhold, they made a Ma Lin, then they made a Wang Hao, and table tennis has never been the same. liu guoliang sucked but at least he knew more about Penhold than most, that's why he's the coach.
Con respecto a los comentarios sobre la descripción de darkblue84, es una opinión basada en una preferencia, por lo tanto hay que respetarla. Yo juego en un circuito y las 2 veces que me tocó jugar contra "lapiceros" los perdí xD. Son dificiles en el hecho de que son pocos y cuando te tocan te cambian el esquema, hay que adaptarse muy rápido siendo el partido a 3 sets muy corto
jan ove waldner is going crazy in the background xD as soon as he wins a point he jumps up shooting his hands with him but I still feel quite disappointed because I bet if liu guiliang hadn't loose to waldner 4 times in a row he would have continued playing table tennis not coaching but its all cool people could get his skills :]
No entiendo el comentario que hizo el que subió este video, dice que se queda con el juego de Liu, sabiendo de que Jan Ove es el mejor de la historia xD
no tiene nada que ver que waldner sea el mas talentoso de todos los tiempos (cosa totalmente indiscutida), con que a alguien, en este caso a mi, no me guste el estilo agresivo (servicio y 1° ataque) de guoliang.
Además, yo juego lapicero y hay que congeniar con la raza en extincion jajajaja ya que somos pocos los que quedamos, saludos
amigo ya esta demostrado que el estilo asiatico o lapicero tiene debilidades y el estilo tradicional es el mejor estilo por las ventajas que ofrece, tambien soy jugador y conozco del tema y eso es indiscutible...
amigo ya esta demostrado que el estilo asiático o lapicero tiene debilidades y el estilo tradicional es el mejor estilo por las ventajas que ofrece, también soy jugador y conozco del tema y eso es indiscutible...
@darkblue84 es cosa de gustos simplemente , a mi eno lo personal me gusta más como juega ma long que waldner pero es cosa de gustos , lo cual no quiere decir que no reconozca a waldner como un genio y una leyenda del tenis de mesa
@cesarsignovital La cosa no es que Jan sea el mejor de la historia cosa que es totalmente cierta, la cosa es la paliza que le pega a Liu Guoliang xDD y el último punto es de museo muy típico de Jan
no offense...but i think Liu was kinda nervous facing the greatest of them all...he couldn't keep his nerves....he was a bit lost and couldn't react properly.....who could blame him... he was playing against Waldner...Simply the Best...anyways..peace yah all !
@apun94 he was not in his prime,he had hes peak 3 years earlier so in this he was on his way down,BUT he was still the best player in the world anyway.
esta claro q waldner es el mas talentoso de la historia del tenis de mesa, pero me quedo con liu x un asunto de preferencias personales, yo juego lapicero, prefiero buscar el 1° ataque, etc...y si ves el historial de triunfos de guoliang no esta tan alejado de los de waldner...
x otro lado, el ultimo punto es obvio q lo gana waldner, no tiene nada q ver con quien me guste mas, se llama apreciar el buen tenis de mesa...
@SuperChessboy en realidad odio eso ajajajaja, pero esa es la idea de ser lapicero. La reinvención del lapicero la partió Liu, añadiendo el estilo mariposa y potenciado al máximo por wang hao. En la actualidad wang hao posee un reves igual o incluso más potente que la mayoría de los clásicos. Obvio que por la mecánica del revés clásico hay jugadores que le pegan con una fuerza increíble, por mencionar algunos que me gustan esta Kreanga (obvio xDD) y el alemán Bastian Steger. Saludos!
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In this 2nd set, Waldner owned Liu simply because he was able to play Liu's odd style. Liu is the type of player who discourages people from playing table tennis, especially at the amateur level where many players choose to use odd rubber to help them with their game. You have to be really good to beat someone half as good as you are when they use odd rubber. Perhaps the ITTF should standardize the rubber and have everyone use the same type.
dont get confuse by this "odd rubber' you r saying.. comparison = inverted rubber requires at least 5 years of training to master it whilst in the other hand the short pip requires an extra of 2 years to master it.. its really poor thing to have people like you to standardize the rubber.. with various type of rubber for tt will ensure that the sport remain interesting and attractive for people to enjoy the fast game.. that is tt dude
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No, people will enjoy the game more if everyone uses smooth rubber. People want to see rallies, not errors caused by some odd rubber. Moreover, if one mastered the odd rubber, he would be much harder to beat than if he had mastered the smooth rubber b/c you have no equipment issue to deal with. You seem to be the kind with very limited tt skills and use non-smooth rubber. If using odd rubber isn't an advantage, Liu wouldn't use it to throw people off every now and then.
Liu, Kong, & Waldner are the all-time best, with Waldner ranking a slight notch above the other two. Waldner is like a combination of Liu and Kong. Like Liu, he not only has the hardest service to return in history, but also he has Kong's attacking ability, only better because besides his powerful backhand loop, he also has a curvy forehand loop that Kong doesn't have. Unlike Kong & Waldner, Liu's game relies greatly on his service, ball displacement, & pip rumble, forcing errors upon opponents.
The male one favored Liu over Waldner, obviously. Though it was understandable to support the compatriot player, it was unpleasant to depreciate Waldner that he was NOT the winner of Grand Slam. The female commentator also questioned his VERY view.
the male commentator was Jiang Ja Lian, 2 time WTTC champion and one of Waldner's major rivals.
i understand where Jiang's coming from with respect to Waldner's grand slam comments, even though i didn't quite like the depreciative tone in his voice.
WAU le primer genio que descubre que los resultados no importan, quememos los libros de estadistica entonces la pòtencia deportiva no es USA los resultados no importan entonces sera barbados la potencia olimpica y brasil tampoco es potencia en futbol pq los resultados no cuentan obvio ser tricampeon mundial no importa.. cuando tengas un argumento solido y hagas una matematica en que 2 es mayor a 3 me avisas ya? bye fan boi no es blasfemia tu heroe ya fue hace rato,no vivas en el pasado
Estoy de acuerdo! Un jugador es mas que resultados!! Mejor dicho, haré de cuenta que no he leído nunca estas blasfemias en contra del Fenómeno del Tenis de Mesa.
hablar de talento es algo subjetivo y no cuenta para este tipo de comparacion, solo se que nadia comaneci ha logrado tomar el oro en su primer torneo.
john como explicas kong campeona en su primer mundial 1995 y walnder empieza en 1983 y gana en el 1989
las 2 medallas de oro olimpicas de liu y kong no cuentan?? cuantos oros olimpicos tiene waldner, el se demoro 9 años en tener gran slam liu 4 años y kong 5 como explicas eso?? yo no discuto con fans sino con personas razonables
Waldner es el mayor genio de la historia de este deporte, no entiendo como alguien puede atreverse a discutir lo contrario. Por otra parte China es casi el monopolio historico y ni que hablar actual del tenis de mesa, por lo que es mas magico que el mas grande sea de otro pais (nadie lo prefiere por ser europeo, es absurdo), su elegancia su tecnica, su talento es algo jamas visto me animaria a decir en casi ninguna disciplina.
Como ya dije antes los chinos son los dueños de este deporte, no creo que lo adoren de casualidad.
Aun si quieres ser resultadista, gano dos mundiales en singles pero perfectamente podria haber ganado 4 (dos finales), 2 finales olimpicas en sinlgles (record), 11 finales del mundo!!!. Nada que decir
wang liquin 3 times world campion, the fact many people love walnder playing doesnt nake him the best..how many 3 times world champion? if he is that good, he s been 6 times national champion and he s playing like 20 years..the career of liu is flaweless, every wttc and every OG at least one medal
That may be true too, but you see, it's not the awards that a player gets that makes him a good player. It's how he plays, and his overall feel and touch. Waldner has outstanding technique, has beat nearly all the chinese from generation to generation and even at 39, got to the semifinals at the Olympics and is a gentleman on the court too.
wang liquin es tricampeon mundial, y waldner bicampeon, osea 2 es mayor que 3???....osea ser tricampeon mundial es menos que ser bicampeon mundial
Bueno que chinos dicen eso, wadlner sera el mas popular pero no el mejor es loq ue muchos confunden ademas lo dicen pq es europeo ,la mayor parte tira para europa
completely different eras. besides, dont look only at world titles. look at the entire career, and im sure waldner prevails. anyway, his game was brilliant
por algo liu le gano desde que tenia 16 años..lo saco a waldner en el mundial del 95 cuando liu tenia18 deahi le Gano COMO 4 VECES MAS..justifiquen como liu ha sido su pappy como 7 años
todos los grandes deportistas han tenido su némesis, pero eso no mengua la grandeza deportiva de Jan Ove Waldner, quien, sin lugar a ninguna duda, es el mejor tenimesista de todos los tiempos, o somételo a consideración de todos, esto es aceptado por los mismos chinos.
Como no le pudo ganar desde 1992 cuando liu era un niño,liu solo necesito 4 años para ganar TODO!!!
SI WALDNER ES TAN GRANDE PQ NO LLEGO A LA FINAL EN LA PRIMER VEZ???.
NO SABEN QUE WALDNER PERDIO
11-2,11-0,11-7 CON KORBEL EN LA LIGA ALEMANA....Q GRANDEZA SEGURO KORBEL LO RESPETA MUCHO. CONTRA CHINA EN EL 2006 WALNDER NO DIO LA CARA,SIENDO EL 1 DE SUECIA QUE EJEMPLO SEÑORES!!
que ignorancia... es la primera persona en el mundo que habla mal de Waldner. Todos tenemos malos días!! Que me dices de la final del 92 contra Francia, en la que Waldner fijo marcadores de 3 a 0 contra todos?... Como se atreve a hablar mal de una leyenda del Tenis de Mesa? Todos ansiaríamos jugar como el, de hecho, quién eres para hablar así?... acaso eres Ma Long escribiendo en español?... jaja.
muchas variables... no puedes guiarte por q guoliang gano de primera y waldner no.... entran a jugar los rivales, estado de animo...incluso el clima... hay q ser mas objetivo al dar comentarios. en todo caso a mi parecer el mejor de todos los tiempos es wang liqin ...le falta oro olimpico, pero como dije .. entran a jugar otras cosas.
liu guoliang comparado con waldner es malisimo, te gusta mas liu por 1 punto? Y los tantos que le mete Waldner que? Como se nota que no tienes ni zorra idea
I'm just an average table tennis player. Watching the Great Waldner play makes me want to practice even more techniques. He is just so..."AMAZING and INSPIRING"..My HERO...Waldner!
Lui is a legend also. He has the most trick serves I have ever seen. This was back then were you can hide your serve. He introduce the RPG (reverse penhold grip) to counter the fast attacking shakehand players. Waldners placements of the ball is a good example to counter the penhold grip players. When they change to 40mm it gave a the RPG one hell of an advantage because they can attack on both sides and gives them more agle of attack. The game is slower compared to the 38mm ball back then.
silverstrak you obvisiously don't know alot about table tennis. Waldner was beaten many times compared to the "crap chinese guy". He had and still has extremely good serves, on par with Waldner's serves which were the best of their day, if not all time. Liu is the player who invented the RPG and coaches Ma Lin and the rest of the chinese national team. Liu is a legend in table tennis so just shut up. Liu didn't play well and Waldner was probably at his best. So shut up you idiot.
yo all u fukers can shut the hell up, waldner beat liu straight up and down, plus i hav a national ranking........u pricks dnt know nothing. hiding the serve is full of shit as wel........good players wil show u their service. look at how many ppl hav problems returning timo boll serves. also wud being chinese myself put down anuda chinese player, u dumb fuks, wang liqin is the king of tt.
You never make any sense. Waldner lost to Liu several times. And so what if you have a national ranking, doesn't mean you know everything about table tennis. You used to be allowed to hide your serves. Waldner used to hide his serves with his arm.
Now players have to show the contact between the bat and the ball. Liu coaches Wang Liqin and Ma Lin now. Liu taught Ma Lin the reverse pen hold backhand that he invented more or less. When Liu was at his best he was near unbeatable like Waldner was.
i know yrs bk they were allowed to hide their service.......like any1 dnt know that? anyway u tryna say waldner didnt outplay liu in this vid and made him look silly? liu is a good player, but r u stil tryna argue wid me bout the fact dat waldner didnt make him look silly in this vid?
7:00 .....crack
marcoswaldner 3 weeks ago
Won the set like a baws
HaZeEurope91 1 month ago
That last point...is really one of my all-time favourites :)))
broodingdark 1 month ago
para los que no saben waldner ha jugado 25 torneos europeos y solo gano un individual(1996) y de 25 torneos nacionales suecos gano 6...xq sera,jajjaja jjajaja
wu999b 1 month ago
donde esta el tercer set??
Jeteso2009 2 months ago
thats fredie roach on JO's corner!
msmuzikera13 3 months ago
last action was be the best
albionx64 4 months ago
they are both the master of table tennis.
MultiOlimac 4 months ago
el mejor de todos los tiempos es Waldner sin duda, pero la legion tenismesistica de China aumento de fuerza y campeonatos desde que Liu Guoliang es su entrenador... asi que creo que ambos tienen merito... pero eso si Waldner hizo que comiera tierra en este partido¡¡¡ D: XD
MEGAJESUSRICARDO 4 months ago 2
Why do some people think it is funny to click dislike?
HerrlingensTTcrack 6 months ago 2
If they didn't hange the serving rule, Waldner would still dominant the sport until today.
dankaren95 6 months ago
3:30 Adolf hitler XD
TheRoslundable 6 months ago
@TheRoslundable sin bigote, without moustache
Jeteso2009 2 months ago
@Jeteso2009 Nono in grey/green costume in the crowd
TheRoslundable 2 months ago
@Jeteso2009 oh ok i see him...
Jeteso2009 2 months ago
Ambos son buenos.. yo soy lapicero y uso el estilo mariposa de revés y el tradicional para bloqueo y contraataque .. y gran parte de la faceta ofensiva moderna del lapicero moderno fue impuesta por Liu ... Y Waldner que decir .. creo que ya todo a sido dicho ... 2 de los mejores tenismesistas de todos los tiempos ... es mejor deleitarse con sus juegos que discutir quien es mejor... Lo único cierto es que jamás (o muy poco probable) se verá un jugador como Waldner...
hectp11 7 months ago
buen video lei un tipo que decia quien es liu guoliang....cuando se es ignorante es mejor no opinar,esta demas decir quien es el que sabe de tenis de mesa lo tiene clarisimo y por si queda alguna duda hace poco en holanda dirigio a todos los jugadores chinos por que es el actual tecnico de la seleccion china,el mensaje es claro al tipo del video le gsuta mas guoliang y eso tambien esta demas decir quien es waldner.
agmasibe 7 months ago
7.02 one of the hardest shot to play just got blocked by waldner like a piece of cake. LOL
JaxAkaJT 8 months ago
Wow, both players have O.M.G serves...
mingcheng123 8 months ago
yo si entiendo al que hizo este video... por ejemplo:
federer vs roddick en tennis
federer puede ser el mejor de la historia pero me quedo con roddick :)! aunque me gusta mucho federer, pero como este es tennis de mesa, me quedo con ambos :)!
Nigogu1 10 months ago
everybody that agree with me that waldner is the best table tennis player ever do a thumb up for me
waldner97 11 months ago
jan ove waldner el mejor jugador de tenis de mesa de todos los tiempos......larga vida al rey
calichinlovenicole 1 year ago
At age 44 , Jan ove Waldner the king won his 9th Gold medal in the Swedish Champion ships in tabe tennis.. Thats what i call love to the sport.. He has so much money so he doesnt need to play anymore.. But he still plays because he loves it.. And he win at age 44.. Thats what i call amazing.. I even heard hes going to try to play in next OS its sick :D..
SwedenArise 1 year ago
le bol qui l'a waldner^^
bieberdu21 1 year ago
ever since these, china has trained more shakehands than penholds. penhold is too reliant on spin.
J0kerofHearts 1 year ago
@J0kerofHearts Actually no, they reinvented Penhold, they made a Ma Lin, then they made a Wang Hao, and table tennis has never been the same. liu guoliang sucked but at least he knew more about Penhold than most, that's why he's the coach.
PreppyPoser1 1 year ago
7:02 ... Owned :D
finder85 1 year ago 4
It looks like whether that the rallies are much slower than now and shorter.
SimpelTV 1 year ago
@SimpelTV
the short rallies are likely because jo and liu had the best serves/3rd ball attacks in the hidden serve era.
albchu 1 year ago
da gingen die sätze ja noch bis 21 xD
bloboobolb 1 year ago
amazing waldner
billalphonso79 1 year ago
解说这个傻D这他妈垃圾！
paul8813 1 year ago
7:03 Oo
WianekJumper 1 year ago
love that last point, waldner's so composed
klu501 1 year ago
@klu501 i know! its freakin awesome!! almost arrogant :P
MorrisWales 1 year ago
I want to play like this Waldner!
ezlrockwell82 1 year ago
Menuda palizaaa
willynastic 1 year ago
i think what made waldner the best is, he's so relax. His composure is soooo cool...
criticaltinker 1 year ago 2
Que final por Dios o.o
guillosss 1 year ago
Con respecto a los comentarios sobre la descripción de darkblue84, es una opinión basada en una preferencia, por lo tanto hay que respetarla. Yo juego en un circuito y las 2 veces que me tocó jugar contra "lapiceros" los perdí xD. Son dificiles en el hecho de que son pocos y cuando te tocan te cambian el esquema, hay que adaptarse muy rápido siendo el partido a 3 sets muy corto
Cuervo0808 1 year ago
jan ove waldner is going crazy in the background xD as soon as he wins a point he jumps up shooting his hands with him but I still feel quite disappointed because I bet if liu guiliang hadn't loose to waldner 4 times in a row he would have continued playing table tennis not coaching but its all cool people could get his skills :]
RagnarokForsaken015 1 year ago
this was more like an extremely boring psychological game than an actual ping pong game.
DaKrazedKyubizt 1 year ago
q groso
callzones 1 year ago
Cuándo era esto juegue?
ZeDuBreju 1 year ago
thats waldner...
MattisTheGhost 1 year ago
wang li qin at 4:47 haha...he was once a partner of liu guo liang but now...haha
nicksai2 1 year ago
han ove 4life
kwiekje 1 year ago
This is the 38mm ball right? The game was too short, and players hardly reacted to killerballs.
situchamcom 1 year ago
It's much funner to watch now with the new cool tables.
Compantino 1 year ago
LOL Love Waldner's final Epic block. Epic Fail by liu
By the way did liu use short pimples at that time?
sdnet12 1 year ago
No entiendo el comentario que hizo el que subió este video, dice que se queda con el juego de Liu, sabiendo de que Jan Ove es el mejor de la historia xD
cesarsignovital 1 year ago 14
@cesarsignovital
es solo cosa de gustos...
no tiene nada que ver que waldner sea el mas talentoso de todos los tiempos (cosa totalmente indiscutida), con que a alguien, en este caso a mi, no me guste el estilo agresivo (servicio y 1° ataque) de guoliang.
Además, yo juego lapicero y hay que congeniar con la raza en extincion jajajaja ya que somos pocos los que quedamos, saludos
darkblue84 1 year ago 5
mas weon
soadslipknotful 1 year ago
amigo ya esta demostrado que el estilo asiatico o lapicero tiene debilidades y el estilo tradicional es el mejor estilo por las ventajas que ofrece, tambien soy jugador y conozco del tema y eso es indiscutible...
ddrtpp 1 year ago
amigo ya esta demostrado que el estilo asiático o lapicero tiene debilidades y el estilo tradicional es el mejor estilo por las ventajas que ofrece, también soy jugador y conozco del tema y eso es indiscutible...
ddrtpp 1 year ago
@darkblue84 es cosa de gustos simplemente , a mi eno lo personal me gusta más como juega ma long que waldner pero es cosa de gustos , lo cual no quiere decir que no reconozca a waldner como un genio y una leyenda del tenis de mesa
cxxdx1 1 month ago
@cesarsignovital La cosa no es que Jan sea el mejor de la historia cosa que es totalmente cierta, la cosa es la paliza que le pega a Liu Guoliang xDD y el último punto es de museo muy típico de Jan
saludos
timoboll85 1 year ago
siii mas weona
soadslipknotful 1 year ago
@cesarsignovital has visto a Ma Long?
zedzulzorander 3 weeks ago
OVE sparkar rov
solarpanels3 1 year ago 3
no offense...but i think Liu was kinda nervous facing the greatest of them all...he couldn't keep his nerves....he was a bit lost and couldn't react properly.....who could blame him... he was playing against Waldner...Simply the Best...anyways..peace yah all !
PrinceArt77 1 year ago
Waldner's backhand is one of the world's best and most accurate and effective. Waldner the Best..the Greatest of all Times...anyways peace yah all !
PrinceArt77 1 year ago
damn waldner is born for ping pong
milotist 1 year ago 2
Jan Owe - my hero !!
ThomasMotter88 1 year ago
Why does he keep spitting on his hand?
Re1Mu2R3 1 year ago
最後すごい
danngoda 2 years ago
well, he kind of does. it's called OWNAGE! :P Hahahaha.
phaikia13 2 years ago
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waldner is arrogant, think he owns the show
xXxTonkzxXx 2 years ago
@xXxTonkzxXx he does own the show.
michaelmcguire93 2 years ago 10
劉國梁的背就是被Waldner打駝的
ChuYenHua 2 years ago
Nice finish XD
bollkoll 2 years ago
i love watching this video over and over again.... that last point really is damn wicked... Waldner really is the best ever.... peace yah all !
PrinceArt77 2 years ago
das letzte ding war ja wohl derbe :D:D
TheDu6e 2 years ago
is this the WTTC '97? anybody knows...thanks! peace yah all !
PrinceArt77 2 years ago
This is the wttc team final from 2000.
Galimah 1 year ago 2
i think this is 2000
michaelmcguire93 1 year ago
waldner is in his prime. liu guoliang is no match for JO
apun94 2 years ago
@apun94 he was not in his prime,he had hes peak 3 years earlier so in this he was on his way down,BUT he was still the best player in the world anyway.
backsmoker 1 year ago
Liu Guoliang is fat yet fast..
Re1Mu2R3 2 years ago
this in my opinion is the top level of Waldner's play, or close to it anyways
mikeirvng 2 years ago
Liu has one cunning serve.
TTHurricane 2 years ago 5
@TTHurricane So does Waldner. Both of these guys were the best servers in the world at the time.
QuantumStates 1 year ago
ambos maestros, aunque me quedo con liu, extraordinario su juego... pd: notese el ultimo punto
no podi quedarte con liu si lo humillo waldner es el legendario liu quien es? XD
pd: waldner es el de azul y el ultimo pnto lo hizo el XD
donxflip 2 years ago
esta claro q waldner es el mas talentoso de la historia del tenis de mesa, pero me quedo con liu x un asunto de preferencias personales, yo juego lapicero, prefiero buscar el 1° ataque, etc...y si ves el historial de triunfos de guoliang no esta tan alejado de los de waldner...
x otro lado, el ultimo punto es obvio q lo gana waldner, no tiene nada q ver con quien me guste mas, se llama apreciar el buen tenis de mesa...
saludos
darkblue84 2 years ago 2
@darkblue84
bueno, el lapicero ya no es moderno. Te gusta correr por todos los reveses wue te echan? Pues a mi no :-)
SuperChessboy 1 year ago
@SuperChessboy en realidad odio eso ajajajaja, pero esa es la idea de ser lapicero. La reinvención del lapicero la partió Liu, añadiendo el estilo mariposa y potenciado al máximo por wang hao. En la actualidad wang hao posee un reves igual o incluso más potente que la mayoría de los clásicos. Obvio que por la mecánica del revés clásico hay jugadores que le pegan con una fuerza increíble, por mencionar algunos que me gustan esta Kreanga (obvio xDD) y el alemán Bastian Steger. Saludos!
darkblue84 1 year ago
liu ... jajaj liu es el entrenador principal de el equipo chino y una gran leyenda ....
sin duda me kedo con waldner pero si sabes algo de este deporte no preguntas kien es lui ..
:P
manuelwolf012 1 year ago
igual waldner le saco la chucha XD wahjahjajhha
donxflip 1 year ago
@donxflip si = ajajaj
manuelwolf012 1 year ago
wicked return on the last part...Waldner makes it look so damn easy returning a difficult stroke from liu...Waldner the Best,,,peace!
PrinceArt77 2 years ago
erm, wads the meaning of ball displacement? can tell me? thx! xD 5 stars *****
mingcheng123 2 years ago
correction: rumble = rubber
dankaren95 2 years ago
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In this 2nd set, Waldner owned Liu simply because he was able to play Liu's odd style. Liu is the type of player who discourages people from playing table tennis, especially at the amateur level where many players choose to use odd rubber to help them with their game. You have to be really good to beat someone half as good as you are when they use odd rubber. Perhaps the ITTF should standardize the rubber and have everyone use the same type.
dankaren95 2 years ago
dont get confuse by this "odd rubber' you r saying.. comparison = inverted rubber requires at least 5 years of training to master it whilst in the other hand the short pip requires an extra of 2 years to master it.. its really poor thing to have people like you to standardize the rubber.. with various type of rubber for tt will ensure that the sport remain interesting and attractive for people to enjoy the fast game.. that is tt dude
shaarol 2 years ago 2
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No, people will enjoy the game more if everyone uses smooth rubber. People want to see rallies, not errors caused by some odd rubber. Moreover, if one mastered the odd rubber, he would be much harder to beat than if he had mastered the smooth rubber b/c you have no equipment issue to deal with. You seem to be the kind with very limited tt skills and use non-smooth rubber. If using odd rubber isn't an advantage, Liu wouldn't use it to throw people off every now and then.
dankaren95 2 years ago
Liu, Kong, & Waldner are the all-time best, with Waldner ranking a slight notch above the other two. Waldner is like a combination of Liu and Kong. Like Liu, he not only has the hardest service to return in history, but also he has Kong's attacking ability, only better because besides his powerful backhand loop, he also has a curvy forehand loop that Kong doesn't have. Unlike Kong & Waldner, Liu's game relies greatly on his service, ball displacement, & pip rumble, forcing errors upon opponents.
dankaren95 2 years ago 3
suit yourself lol
shaarol 2 years ago
thhis game is wicked.
And Waldner is a Wizard
Claire1Rogers 2 years ago
the sound of the swedish cho's is a delight to hear :)
MDSguy 2 years ago
Liu got OWNED :D 7:02 i love Waldner 5/5!
kioka2 2 years ago 3
waldner made it look so easy
rudeboitony 2 years ago
Clarito pa´ que se entienda
ferelfortin 2 years ago
7:02 is very funny^^
MarcelXD95 2 years ago
Liu got owned.
Joew0147 2 years ago 2
But he is the only ping pong player to win all the prizes in all kinds of competition.
Nobody has been as "powerful" as him.
Harry0Ron0Hermione 2 years ago
Nope, that was Kong Linghui.
He has won everything, excpeted the mixed WTTC.
Greetzzz.
Joew0147 2 years ago
waldner is god
MrInVolucraDo 2 years ago
Are they rich?
Joew0147 2 years ago
who are the commentators?
The male one favored Liu over Waldner, obviously. Though it was understandable to support the compatriot player, it was unpleasant to depreciate Waldner that he was NOT the winner of Grand Slam. The female commentator also questioned his VERY view.
zephyregrant 2 years ago
the male commentator was Jiang Ja Lian, 2 time WTTC champion and one of Waldner's major rivals.
i understand where Jiang's coming from with respect to Waldner's grand slam comments, even though i didn't quite like the depreciative tone in his voice.
howardma11 2 years ago
liu guo liang is short that time
PingMast 2 years ago
he always was and is but he is the best!
Harry0Ron0Hermione 2 years ago
6:56 J-O IS AWESOME
oscar3z 2 years ago
that last point was crazy....simply amazing...
manunited36 2 years ago 2
set 3?
what year is it? thanks
chsmstr 2 years ago
Team Finals 2000 in Kuala Lumpur...
yOGidabaer 2 years ago
Liu just got owned on 4:16
Krampefedt 2 years ago
look at the last point.....waldner is so cool!!
donvitcor 2 years ago 3
is this Malaysia? i saw Genting and Telekom,
this is my country man...
i donno Waldner have been come to my country...lol
8264393 2 years ago
what year is this?
8264393 2 years ago
in China we call waldner ''the ever-green tree of ping pong world'' , he's the best!
antVally 2 years ago 22
WAU le primer genio que descubre que los resultados no importan, quememos los libros de estadistica entonces la pòtencia deportiva no es USA los resultados no importan entonces sera barbados la potencia olimpica y brasil tampoco es potencia en futbol pq los resultados no cuentan obvio ser tricampeon mundial no importa.. cuando tengas un argumento solido y hagas una matematica en que 2 es mayor a 3 me avisas ya? bye fan boi no es blasfemia tu heroe ya fue hace rato,no vivas en el pasado
lilkat93 2 years ago
Estoy de acuerdo! Un jugador es mas que resultados!! Mejor dicho, haré de cuenta que no he leído nunca estas blasfemias en contra del Fenómeno del Tenis de Mesa.
anguerrero1 2 years ago
hablar de talento es algo subjetivo y no cuenta para este tipo de comparacion, solo se que nadia comaneci ha logrado tomar el oro en su primer torneo.
john como explicas kong campeona en su primer mundial 1995 y walnder empieza en 1983 y gana en el 1989
las 2 medallas de oro olimpicas de liu y kong no cuentan?? cuantos oros olimpicos tiene waldner, el se demoro 9 años en tener gran slam liu 4 años y kong 5 como explicas eso?? yo no discuto con fans sino con personas razonables
lilkat93 2 years ago
Yes, even the Chinese see Waldner as a God. You have to understand what he did to appreciate why he will always be #1.
imzadim 2 years ago 4
Waldner es el mayor genio de la historia de este deporte, no entiendo como alguien puede atreverse a discutir lo contrario. Por otra parte China es casi el monopolio historico y ni que hablar actual del tenis de mesa, por lo que es mas magico que el mas grande sea de otro pais (nadie lo prefiere por ser europeo, es absurdo), su elegancia su tecnica, su talento es algo jamas visto me animaria a decir en casi ninguna disciplina.
JohnLegendBeatles1 2 years ago
Como ya dije antes los chinos son los dueños de este deporte, no creo que lo adoren de casualidad.
Aun si quieres ser resultadista, gano dos mundiales en singles pero perfectamente podria haber ganado 4 (dos finales), 2 finales olimpicas en sinlgles (record), 11 finales del mundo!!!. Nada que decir
JohnLegendBeatles1 2 years ago
en el deporte solo cuentan los resultados,podria haber ganado..io podria ser venusino pero no lo soy..
podria tener en mi cama a lindsey
lilkat93 2 years ago
it was very cool in the last point !! All spins master !!
kitmanwah 2 years ago
wang liquin 3 times world campion, the fact many people love walnder playing doesnt nake him the best..how many 3 times world champion? if he is that good, he s been 6 times national champion and he s playing like 20 years..the career of liu is flaweless, every wttc and every OG at least one medal
lilkat93 2 years ago
That may be true too, but you see, it's not the awards that a player gets that makes him a good player. It's how he plays, and his overall feel and touch. Waldner has outstanding technique, has beat nearly all the chinese from generation to generation and even at 39, got to the semifinals at the Olympics and is a gentleman on the court too.
taufoofar 2 years ago
speak english
haydonlee93 2 years ago
about what??
lilkat93 2 years ago
wang liquin es tricampeon mundial, y waldner bicampeon, osea 2 es mayor que 3???....osea ser tricampeon mundial es menos que ser bicampeon mundial
Bueno que chinos dicen eso, wadlner sera el mas popular pero no el mejor es loq ue muchos confunden ademas lo dicen pq es europeo ,la mayor parte tira para europa
lilkat93 2 years ago
completely different eras. besides, dont look only at world titles. look at the entire career, and im sure waldner prevails. anyway, his game was brilliant
MeckelBot 2 years ago
por algo liu le gano desde que tenia 16 años..lo saco a waldner en el mundial del 95 cuando liu tenia18 deahi le Gano COMO 4 VECES MAS..justifiquen como liu ha sido su pappy como 7 años
lilkat93 2 years ago
todos los grandes deportistas han tenido su némesis, pero eso no mengua la grandeza deportiva de Jan Ove Waldner, quien, sin lugar a ninguna duda, es el mejor tenimesista de todos los tiempos, o somételo a consideración de todos, esto es aceptado por los mismos chinos.
tato4527 2 years ago
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Waldner won the point anyway, but Liu's last shot was illegal. The ball did not go over the net.
whateverum 2 years ago
I'm sure you definitely don't know what table tennis is.
capcomus 2 years ago 3
Wrong. The shot was legal.
gsofficial 2 years ago 4
The ITTF rules state that the ball must go above or around the net. This happens alot in table tennis, it's legal.
Swiffers 2 years ago 3
this is not volleyball, ok!
ariesmau18 2 years ago
liu guoliang comparado con Waldner es malisimo, te gusta más liu por 1 solo punto?
No se sabe ni colocar en la mesa, Waldner se lo menea a placer.
Como se nota que no tienes ni zorra idea de esto
incompetentes 2 years ago
Como no le pudo ganar desde 1992 cuando liu era un niño,liu solo necesito 4 años para ganar TODO!!!
SI WALDNER ES TAN GRANDE PQ NO LLEGO A LA FINAL EN LA PRIMER VEZ???.
NO SABEN QUE WALDNER PERDIO
11-2,11-0,11-7 CON KORBEL EN LA LIGA ALEMANA....Q GRANDEZA SEGURO KORBEL LO RESPETA MUCHO. CONTRA CHINA EN EL 2006 WALNDER NO DIO LA CARA,SIENDO EL 1 DE SUECIA QUE EJEMPLO SEÑORES!!
lilkat93 2 years ago
que ignorancia... es la primera persona en el mundo que habla mal de Waldner. Todos tenemos malos días!! Que me dices de la final del 92 contra Francia, en la que Waldner fijo marcadores de 3 a 0 contra todos?... Como se atreve a hablar mal de una leyenda del Tenis de Mesa? Todos ansiaríamos jugar como el, de hecho, quién eres para hablar así?... acaso eres Ma Long escribiendo en español?... jaja.
anguerrero1 2 years ago 4
muchas variables... no puedes guiarte por q guoliang gano de primera y waldner no.... entran a jugar los rivales, estado de animo...incluso el clima... hay q ser mas objetivo al dar comentarios. en todo caso a mi parecer el mejor de todos los tiempos es wang liqin ...le falta oro olimpico, pero como dije .. entran a jugar otras cosas.
AJBHT 2 years ago
liu guoliang comparado con waldner es malisimo, te gusta mas liu por 1 punto? Y los tantos que le mete Waldner que? Como se nota que no tienes ni zorra idea
incompetentes 2 years ago
6:58 - 7:03 Classic Waldner!
amount18 2 years ago
world class ball
wonderfall!
odiono 2 years ago
Amazing! The last shot was classic! He totally crushed Liu.
taufoofar 2 years ago
nose como te puede gustar mas liu despues de la aplastante victoria de jo
CTMSanJose 2 years ago
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waldner is overrated
destoroy4 2 years ago
Haha, he is the best player that ever has been.
kranen1 2 years ago 2
Are you retarded?
taufoofar 2 years ago
Que tales mazazos de Waldner, topspeaba a lo bestia, el mejor en esa epoca indudablemente
winston2283 2 years ago
Guoliang is a fatty today xD
kranen1 3 years ago 8
Sad, but true.....
taufoofar 2 years ago
I'm just an average table tennis player. Watching the Great Waldner play makes me want to practice even more techniques. He is just so..."AMAZING and INSPIRING"..My HERO...Waldner!
PrinceArt77 3 years ago 2
same here!!
Claire1Rogers 2 years ago
the last point is just evil, man.
raskolniki 3 years ago 5
haha he made him look like a fool xD
leoytard 3 years ago 5
I just love how Waldner just stood there, blocked it, and then gave Gouliang "that look."
LightSpeed99999 3 years ago 3
The "you're an idiot" look, I love it :)
greenfoam 2 years ago
the last match between the biggest player of all times, J.O. you are the best!!!!!!, amazing last point
Aiakhos 3 years ago
They had the Olympic semi in 2000 :P
Galimah 3 years ago
The last point--complete and utter pwnage.
xiangyik 3 years ago
not just the last point you know? =S
MeckelBot 3 years ago
the last shoot is unbelieveable.
Echschmet 3 years ago 2
Incredible J.O! That last shot was epic! He's my all time fave by a long way, sorry Timo.
drewina 3 years ago 2
BTW silverstreak, liu won the first set. NOOB
he lost the second.
wow? no, draw so far...
what a retard, know nothing about TT
idnumber002 3 years ago
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ur mum knows nothing bout tt u dikhead
silverstreaks86 3 years ago
Lui is a legend also. He has the most trick serves I have ever seen. This was back then were you can hide your serve. He introduce the RPG (reverse penhold grip) to counter the fast attacking shakehand players. Waldners placements of the ball is a good example to counter the penhold grip players. When they change to 40mm it gave a the RPG one hell of an advantage because they can attack on both sides and gives them more agle of attack. The game is slower compared to the 38mm ball back then.
quickzilver333 3 years ago
silverstrak you obvisiously don't know alot about table tennis. Waldner was beaten many times compared to the "crap chinese guy". He had and still has extremely good serves, on par with Waldner's serves which were the best of their day, if not all time. Liu is the player who invented the RPG and coaches Ma Lin and the rest of the chinese national team. Liu is a legend in table tennis so just shut up. Liu didn't play well and Waldner was probably at his best. So shut up you idiot.
rjkviegas 3 years ago
yo all u fukers can shut the hell up, waldner beat liu straight up and down, plus i hav a national ranking........u pricks dnt know nothing. hiding the serve is full of shit as wel........good players wil show u their service. look at how many ppl hav problems returning timo boll serves. also wud being chinese myself put down anuda chinese player, u dumb fuks, wang liqin is the king of tt.
silverstreaks86 3 years ago
You never make any sense. Waldner lost to Liu several times. And so what if you have a national ranking, doesn't mean you know everything about table tennis. You used to be allowed to hide your serves. Waldner used to hide his serves with his arm.
rjkviegas 3 years ago
Now players have to show the contact between the bat and the ball. Liu coaches Wang Liqin and Ma Lin now. Liu taught Ma Lin the reverse pen hold backhand that he invented more or less. When Liu was at his best he was near unbeatable like Waldner was.
rjkviegas 3 years ago
i know yrs bk they were allowed to hide their service.......like any1 dnt know that? anyway u tryna say waldner didnt outplay liu in this vid and made him look silly? liu is a good player, but r u stil tryna argue wid me bout the fact dat waldner didnt make him look silly in this vid?
silverstreaks86 3 years ago
But you called Liu crap when he is anything but you doughnut. Fix up man.
rjkviegas 3 years ago 2
guoliang liu did not invent the rpb
wtfhah 3 years ago