What a sad little statement, makes life seem so empty, to revolve around sucking the milk from cows' udders and other forms of cowardice, brutality, abuse of innocence. Their hideous facial expressions say it all...such overblown excitement over eating. Plenty of non-animal foods are fantastic, as well as not being artery clogging. But I guess congestive heart failure etc. are worth the elitist's spoiled palate pleasures. How sad, ignorant, and empty. But the profiting medicos love it.
@1221solstice2012 I eat red meat 4-5 times a week, my cholesterol is 85/60, my triglycerides are low, and my blood pressure is 110/70. Meat does not equate to poison. We are also not strict carnivores - I dont know a single meat eater who will refuse a fresh tomato. I would argue that it's not fair to call us ignorant and empty for enjoying flesh. Plenty of plant matter is artery clogging. Spoiled palate? How smug. Some value music, I value food - it's unfair to pass judgement
@Higgins2001 Your statistics could be real, fabricated, or temporary. We have tons of wonderful non-animal foods; you CHOOSE unnecessarily to eat abused, slaughtered, innocent, helpless animals. That's your problem. Again the gluttony, it is boring. And you pass judgment on me as well, big deal, get over your "sensitivity" regarding your taste for slaughter. Many people have reversed heart disease, chronic constipation, etc., with a vegan diet, with all that "artery clogging plant matter," lol.
We developed a taste for meat long before evolution gave us a brain capable of self-awareness. Are you veggies saying that the lion should stop eating meat when it gets a bit smarter?
what a dick, but he is funny. I wish people wouldn't listen to him about vegans though, considering vegans simply try to give animals a voice, since they can not speak for themselves and suffer through torture silently in factory farms around the world. To learn about this, watch the movie 'Earthlings' or 'From Farm to Fridge' here on youtube. Go Vegan!
Intellectually, yes, humans are more advanced. But that's not what's relevant in ethics, it's suffering. If certain animals are capable of suffering, which they are, then they matter ethically. So killing an animal is still wrong, just like killing a human is wrong. By the way, it's really not hard to be a vegan or vegetarian if that's what's deterring you. It's actually cheaper than eating meat.
@Evan2718281828 Sure they suffer, but it's not like they are killed for no reason. It's to supplement human health. Good source of protein and sometimes in countries where meat is abundant its a good thing to eat. As long as its not wasteful I don't mind. Also I tried being vegetarian, leaves me unsatisfied.
Are you serious? How can you say that human health, which meat has little effect on, can justify the thousands of animals born to be weakened and killed that are used to feed a human? Imagine a scenario where some humans were bred for meat. Would you actually defend consumption of it due to the fact that it's not wasteful and is a source of protein? Concentration camps were not wasteful, because they made supplies for that Nazi army. Usefulness cannot outweigh animals being killed
So because it suffers you should stray completely from ending it's life? An ant suffers, will you go out of your way to avoid stepping on every ant? Sure, living things suffer when they are killed however that is not always the case. The physiology of the animal is known. If you kill it in the right way they feel no pain (All the meat in my home is butchered this way). If they can painlessly die to supplement human nutrition it's fine with me.
@Evan2718281828 (Cont'd) Sure the animal does not want to suffer. It does not have to suffer in order for it to die. Maybe instead of being vegetarian you should know where your food comes from. Sorry but cows do not create philosophies about the life of the cow and it's worth. It gets hungry, it wants to crap, it wants to piss, it wants to eat and it doesn't want to be tortured. The torture is the problem, not the killing.
wait you meant that as a serious criticism? You know it's just a joke, right? It's not a logical fallacy or anything to compare a sufficiently horrible situation to Nazi Germany. It's a funny observation that Nazi analogies appear often in debate, I see it all the time and it's prevalence humours me, but it's not a logical misstep by any stretch of the imagination.
@Evan2718281828 The devil is in the details, child. You just equated eating animals to eating humans and then jumped to blabber on about Nazi concentration camps. Let's see. Humans being omnivores = cannibalism = genocide. LOLWAT?
"You just equated eating animals to eating humans" -Well what difference is there? What difference is so great that it makes it ok to kill animals but not ok to kill humans? We start by not knowing the differences between these two biological cousins. You must list the differences between them that make it permissible to kill animals..
"blabber on about Nazi concentration camps." -I see, that's what you say when you don't want to directly address reductio ad absurdum arguments.
@Evan2718281828 "You must list the differences between them that make it permissible to kill animals.."
No, you ignorant swine, since the majority of human population sees a fucking difference between a NORMAL omnivore diet and fucking cannibalism, YOU are in the minority and thus YOU are in the position to prove anything. I dare you to go eat a human and try to make that case. There isn't a court of law in the civilized world that wouldn't throw your ass in jail or fry/hang/poison/shoot you.
@globalforce Nice try with the insults, but it doesn't cover up your pitiable excuse for a logical argument.
"YOU are in the minority and thus YOU are in the position to prove anything"
This is just a fallacy. You even condensed it into it's purest form for me, thank you!
Since the burden of proof always lies on the person claiming x exists (you, claiming that ethically relevant distinctions between humans and other animals exist), you have the burden of proof, not me
@Evan2718281828 No, it's not CLAIMED by me, it is in fact a common wisdom accepted by the majority of human population. A minority opinion seeking to disprove conventional wisdom needs to prove itself. That is a fallacy? How STUPID are you?
See, way back when everyone else thought smoking was good for your health, the anti-smoking people didn't just say random shit and asked people to disprove them. They disproved conventional wisdom through evidence and science.
@Evan2718281828 Anyway, since I'm such a generous person, (not really) let's think about this whole "animals feel pain and should not be eaten" thing.
See, pain is a biological "trait," an evolutionary tool that informs danger and harm and helps physical harm. Since plants can't appropriately react to pain, it is useless and thus they have not developed that trait. Also, the number of animal species that feel pain as we know it are very limited. Many species(insects and such)don't feel pain
@Evan2718281828 In other words, your "ethical" argument really is based on this peculiar trait of "pain" that is, in the end, nothing more than a biological device that serves evolutionary purpose. You are picking a group of species based on a biological trait and declaring them worthy of a special treatment.("Plants don't feel pain, so it's okay to eat, but animals do, so it's not")Well, bad news. The rest of human population is doing the exact same thing, only their criteria is "intelligence."
@Evan2718281828 There is nothing inherently moral or ethical about deciding what or what not to eat based on an arbitrary selection of particular criteria. If anything, "animal rights" is an extension of human social construct to other species and objects, which is... ridiculous. Would you accuse animals of immodesty because they expose their genitals? Would you put the mother nature on trial for crimes against humanity because of the tsunami? Can you prosecute a bear that attacks humans?
Bourdain is an accomplished chef and food writer who has traveled all around the world and knows more about different cultures than any of you could ever hope to, and he merely made a hyperbolic joke and you are all outraged.
Yes you, you conformist bunch of teenage hacks who have and never will do anything notable in your life other than being self righteous snobs who force your beliefs on others. Be proud of yourselves for insulting some guy you disagree with on the internet.
errr? who is this man? Did he just say vegans should be exterminated or kill themselves because they don't want to eat stinky cheese? I'm no vegan and certainly not a vegetarian. Mr Bourdain seems to express himself rather primitively. Intelligent people do not express themselves in this way.
@mandywhittles He's making a joke to express his opinion. He doesn't actually think they should kill themselves, he's just using obscurity to point out how ridiculous he thinks being a vegan is, and also how much he's enjoying his meal.
very, very sad that some people seem to find "good" (well, whatever that means...) food more fulfilling than finding ways to try and make the planet you live on a tiiiny bit "better" (from a non-ego perspective), as silly as this may sound. Broaden your horizon, A. "ignorant-gourmet" Bourdain! if you weren't so narrow-minded you 'd find ways to prepare a tasty vegan meal. Or at least shut up and don't claim vegans don't enjoy life - you know they do for LOVE, don't you? ;-)
@Oxydox Here's a hypothetical for you, imagine there was a scientific study that proved all plants were sentient beings that could feel pain and emotions. What would you eat then? And how would vegans/vegetarians live with yourselves knowing you ate some poor sunflower's children? Or that you orphaned an apple by torturing his parents in front of him by slowly peeling off their skin before killing them? Eating is, and has always been about consuming life to sustain your own.
What a whiney moron this Bourdain idiot is. Not everyone has the same tastes or hobbies....its a bit like saying to him "you don't play cricket?? what a boring and dull life you must lead".
Since becoming a vegetarian (and virtually a vegan now), my experiences of food has expanded and become far more interesting, basically because my tastebuds have changed, and i don't NEED meat, with a few bits of token veg, as a meal.
It's all well and good to be good stewards of the land, but you over sensitive take to the comedic stage level need to just worry about yourselves and let everyone else burn in their tasty meat devouring hell.
i hope anthony bourdain never comes to india if he does his whole theory will go out of context.. Veg food is not for the elite , Veg food can be tasty and No one thinks of themselves as morally superior to others just because of food habits...there is more to it than it just being food...
@7j8i9m the ppl who come here on trucks they do by their will and they go to an great extent of avoiding the law. no one is forcing them to come here. its not our fault that other countries money and economy is less valued than us. not every currency is strong as d american dollar.
@7j8i9m Very good points, but they do not mean we simply accept everything as it is. I can't boycott everything, but I do in fact try my best to not buy anything made in China. Yes, that's extremely difficult to do. The way they treat animals AND humans is atrocious. 1 in 7 female infants in China disappears. Their bodies are found in dumps and gutters. If I don't eat animals, I know I'm not contributing to the way they die.
@7j8i9m Just to be clear, all of that is involved in meat production, too. Not producing meat will reduce cruelty by producing less vegetables to feed the animals.
Yea so lets start lets killing people for fun, cause well life is cruel planet is cruel universe is cruel, why try to minimize the harm done by us to the environment by for example being vegan,vegetarian, animal rights activist, environmentalist. Lets just exploit and kill one another, hey life is cruel bro you can't do nothing about it.
That's a retarded reason. Who the fuck cares if meat tastes good, it's one tiny meal in our life, and it's that one animals entire life gone so we can enjoy it. At least vegans stand for something.
Hmm, maybe some of us more reasonable people should get together, corner Bourdain, and force him to eat vegan cheesecake, mock cheeses, etc.? :D
Contrary to what nut jobs like this believe, it is perfectly in keeping with living an ethical life that harms no one to consume delicious, mouth-watering, amazing food: whatever it is you want, just make it vegan. Tofu "chicken" strips. Vegan cheesecake. Vegan soy or coconut milk ice cream. Cookies. Soy or agar based cheeses. The list goes on.
@queerpriestess I've seen this recently, looks amazing! But they are on the pricey side, aren't they? Would love to get my hands on a round, though, give it a try. :D
@kimberlily1983 Honestly? I'd rather wish people learn about demanding that we have a better approach to farming (even with plants.. referencing "Dust Bowl" of the 1930a), promote better conditions for farms, learn about moderation in the consumption of food etc. Basically no matter choice we choose (vegan or not), if we can at least be able to choose the better options out there.. that should be enough lol
@sheshiechan Hmm, well to me, that's like saying, if we can eliminate the worst forms of rape, child molestation, and have only the more mild forms (whatever that would be), then we should be happy with that.
Until no one is being kept confined, used, and killed for others' trivial purposes, people will continue to defend those of us who are in those conditions, to fight for their freedom. The simplest thing to do, to be a part of this, is be vegan....
@kimberlily1983 I choose to believe that there's a world of difference between child molestation, rape and eating farm animals. The fact that you basically see it all as the same thing is a bit disturbing honestly on various levels. There's no way in any form that they are even related to be used in an argument. Passing judgement based on self-perceived moral superiority is something that you need to feel better about your food choices then have at it. I think that moderation is always key.
@sheshiechan I didn't equate rape with animal exploitation. I equated enabling and supporting rape to enabling and supporting animal exploitation. In both cases, you're causing serious harms to befall another. In the same way someone who pays for child pornography supports an industry that harms children, someone who chooses to eat animal products supports an industry that harms cattle, chickens, pigs, etc. ....
@kimberlily1983 * Crap, in my comment, I meant to say "I didn't equate rape with eating meat." The same way I wouldn't equate rape with watching (as opposed to producing) child pornography, or enjoying products that come from child exploitation vs. enjoying exploiting the children yourself. There are significant differences there, I agree. You can eat meat while distancing yourself from the pain and suffering caused by your choice, whereas it's much harder to deny that harm while raping someone.
Oh for crying out loud everyone - rape? same species molestation? Whats that got to do with eating surplus substance from a non related species udder?
Holy crap already! If you believe in the bible then you should know, god is gonna get awfully pissed if you dont eat what 'it' said explicitely was put on the planet for you.
Dairy cows have to be impregnated to give milk. It's the pure, raw, fact of the matter. This is done by man (and if you think they somehow get the bulls to do it "naturally" you need a reality check-- you would be paying $10 per gallon of milk). Man inserts his whole arm into the rectum, positions uterus from the rectum wall, inserts semen using a tool commonly referred to as a "rape rack." I shit you not, sir or madam. Can you guess if I'm vegan?
OK, now I am showing my ignorance, because that isnt how it is done where I live. There are bulls in the field. I keep forgetting about the monsato farms.
But then again, the other side, you now remind me that in youth, I had a friend who studied artificial insemination and he said it was of no consequence to the cow.
We should remind ourselves that projecting our feelings onto the species is how this becomes out of hand also.
@sheshiechan .... Observing the moral minimum of refraining from harm is what I called "fine". That means not buying child pornography and not buying animal products. Going beyond that is what I called "great", and by that I mean working on campaigns against child pornography, or animal exploitation, etc. - that sort of thing.
As for respecting others' moral codes, I'll do so when your moral code doesn't include torturing and killing others.
Then you're an unreasonable person. If you cannot have a modicum of respect then you do not deserve it. I'm sorry but unlike you I can certainly try to give you the modicum of respect that I believe that every living person inherently is born with. What that entails is that I will try to listen to all opinion (though its hard) and let people have the ability to choose for themselves their moral code, opinion and belief system and voice that opinion. I will disagree with respect.
@sheshiechan ..... If you want do more, great, if not, fine. But it's the minimum that's morally required; anything less is like torturing just a little bit, sustaining their prisons that much more, etc. I can't understand how anyone in their right mind would want to be a part of that.
@kimberlily1983 Interesting that "doing more" (in you believe is doing more) is "great" and not doing it is merely "fine" I see the moral superiority peeking out again. Shouldn't it be "whatever you do, that meets your personal moral code is great"? Because I've been pushed this "truth" by vegans and non alike and yet when push comes to shove one truth is always seen as "great" and another "fine".. Why not commend farmers who are trying to do things the right way even if the end results are not
@kimberlily1983 your end results? I mean isn't this the new belief system now days? Or is this something that people say they believe but at the end of the day isn't the case? I choose to eat healthy and I choose to eat in moderation. I try to choose the better ingredients whenever possible and that includes eating meat. If that makes me no better than a child molesting rapist (and yes in your own words "milder forms") then I suppose I will live with that label... :P
Not all vegetarians and vegans follow PETA, in fact, an extremely small percentage does. I'm a vegan myself and I believe PETA is an idiotic extremist organization. So shut the hell up before you generalize vegans and vegetarians as PETA-fanatics. Vegetarian/vegan =/= PETA.
Generalisations, by their very nature, admit to exceptions. What you are objecting to is a universalisation, a small distinct difference where instead of many people sharing a common trait, every single person shares that trait. I know, the terminology can be confusing. One is general, the other universal.
Mr Bourdain's primary objections to vegetarianism regards the contention that the position is extremely rude in a multitude of different cultures and is a First World luxury.
I don't have any complaints regarding Mr. Bourdain's views on it. He has a very good point. However, I do have a problem with people assuming everybody that doesn't eat meat or animal products is a follower of PETA.
I would agree that it is an unfair characterisation to say that all vegetarians or vegans are followers of PETA. Generally, what is meant by such remarks is not literally that vegetarians follow PETA, more that PETA members tend to be vegetarian. It is a disparaging argument nonetheless. It is equivalent of the statement "not all Republicans are idiots, but idiots tend to be Republican" since "not all vegetarians follow PETA, but PETA members tend to be vegetarian."
I gave the shortened version because we have limited character counts. A more complete understanding of Anthony Bourdain's perspective would say (if M. Bourdain would allow me to speak on his behalf): Vegetarianism, with the exception of the religious strictures of India (or any other such society), is a First World luxury.
His compliant regarding vegetarianism is about the role of meat in culture, not necessarily about meat itself.
@mastersausagemaker Well that is only a chef's perspective, and obviously one that is vehemently opposed to vegetarianism so you can only expect a shallow understanding of the practice.
Are you saying that his perspective is somehow devalued by his profession as a chef? How do you know that he is not extremely informed about the practices and impetus of vegetarianism and simply disagrees with it? He clearly allows for religious exceptions as it is a defining characteristic of the culture and its food, so it's not vegetarianism he has a problem with so much as those who actively refuse despite ample opportunity.
its like 5 secconds of flavour ant texture in your mouth.. who cares bout the cheese! yet a mother cow was forced away from her child ( whom is to become 'veil') to prduce this cheese!
Come on now vegans, you know your momma was eating a whole lot a KFC when she was pregnant lol.
Ain't some of you wondered why you have incisors for teeth? They're for tearing meat that is consumed. Humans are omnivores. So are all primates below the human even the small monkeys that have been eating bugs and things before the cavemen.
@msiterE An ignorant douche that has been to every continent and eaten with a more diverse selection of people that your veggie loving ass would ever get to. See when you go places where life is a struggle animals become a way of life. In America we live better than 95% of the globe. Vegans are the insulated product of this grotesque society. Without industrialization vegetarianism might not have occurred. Thanks to oil, beef, pork, poultry, seafood, coal, and steel, farming yields improved.
@chade1983 so because people having been doing it for years means that we need to keep doing it.... people walked for centuries should we not bike becuase without the walkers there wouldnt be any bikers... progress dude...they ate meat to survive now we have so much we suffer from obesity not starvation... how does pork improve farming yields? do you know how much food you have to feed the pigs as opposed to all the calories you could get in the form of potatoes...
@msiterE Carnosine. Do you know what carnosine is? Because of meat production farmers developed techniques to improve yields. Manure fertilizes crops. Without high demand industry doesn't progress as quickly. Eating just veggies is not evolving.You may think because you eat just veggies you are more evolved, but your not.You are the byproduct of a meat eating society. Because people bought and buy meat you get more veggies. Think long and hard about it. Your idealized perspective is not reality.
@chade1983 factory farms feed cows corn which makes their manure toxic and unuseable as fertilzer... manure is not necessary to fertilize crops... compost is made from the parts of plants that arent used and take about 2 years to decompose... manure speeds up the process to as soon as six months... as long as a human does not consume animal products you can use their poop for manure
@msiterE Manure has not always been toxic. If you are against factory farming and an advocate of organic farming then say that. Don't try to twist factory farming into the conversation like that is why you are vegetarian. Organic farming practices are becoming more highly demanded. Organic farming can still produce meat. Factory farms are not all farms. If you don't like factory farm, good for you, but to blanket the meat consumption industry into that category is foolish and irresponsible.
@msiterE You can buy hormone free grass fed beef. When people buy more of something companies change what they sell to get more people buying that product. Like beef for instance. If more people bought grass fed beef more farmers would produce grass fed beef. Look at how many different types of soda are out there. They started out with one kind sweetener and one flavor, now look at your options due to demand.
@msiterE Comparing transportation to eating is illogical. People still walk. Are you going to try to convince people walking should be outlawed? Do you protest walking? Since you consider eating meat like walking and being vegan like riding a bike would you then say that the environmental destruction caused by the production of bicycles is comparable to the effects of vegetarianism? Isn't walking better for the environment? Thus making meat eating more environmentally friendly.
@msiterE And if you would then say that walking is like vegetarianism and meat eating is like riding a bike, would that then contradict your point that vegetarianism is a step forward in the evolutionary process since we walked before we rode? So with this logic could it then be said that vegetarianism would actually bring about devolution? Do you think primates ate meat first or veggies first? Based on today's primates diet of mostly veggies, are we more evolved or less for eating more meat?
@msiterE Because people ate pork they survived. Therefore because of pork farmers were able to farm, thusly allowing others to eat pork, corn, bread, beef, and everything else. Because people eat society continues. Due to American industrial diversification we became a wealthier nation. Farming started all of that. The amount of people on this earth increased due to larger amounts of food and jobs created from an increase in industry.
@msiterE And if you believe there are too many people on this earth then you should support meat consumption because animals eat food people could eat which lowers the amount of people on the earth. Also, eating meat, you say, lowers life expectancy. So if you think there are too many people, meat consumption lowers the amount of time people are on Earth. With you being a vegetarian I am sure you worry about human overpopulation. Meat helps you kill people.
@chade1983 i never said the world was overpopulated... and you want the world to eat meat so that there are less people and they live shorter lives?... thats crazy evil dude... WOW... im done talking
@msiterE I like people and I hope more and more populate the globe. And I hope they all want meat to eat, so I can continue my diet of various meat products.
@msiterE Basically without animal consumption vegetarians would not get to exist. Kinda like the livestock we eat. Without humans participating in animal consumption, the livestock would not exist. The sub-urban and urban lifestyles that America offers are what created vegetarians. People got a little bit of money and decided they were going to eat fresh veggies everyday. It has turned into a status symbol. If you are a vegan you are above the hoards of common folk. Animals are people too, psh
@chade1983 we are not all arrogant about it... im a vegan for health reasons and im way healthier than the guy in the vid... if this guy is gonna say that our lifestyles are just cheating ourselves from the pleasures of eating around the world, well im not doing that and i find my health much more satisfying than anything this guys can cook up... so much more too life than food... he can do whatever he wants but if hes gonna say that than fuck him
@msiterE When you turn down food from people who struggle to survive you're insulting them. You live in a protective bubble. In that bubble you cannot reason what life outside of it would be like because you will not venture outside of it. You are being snobbish and don't even realize it. To say otherwise when you are explicit about your stance is quite arrogant. You imply you are right due to your inflated ego. You don't eat meat so you are superior to those who do.
@chade1983 when did i say im better than anyone... i have a healthy lifestyle that i love and this arrogant closed minded douche says i should drop dead and i am the scum of society... and so are you... people need to eat and by all means thats more important... thanks to globalization i can buy fruit that come from south america in the winter and i dont need to eat meat...im not saying everyone needs to stop eating it but dont judge me or say i should drop dead cuz you dont know me man
@msiterE By limiting your consumption of goods you are limiting your exposure to life. That is is message. If you say you won't eat meat then you won't meet a more diverse selection of people. Your interactions will be limited. If you travel and want to experience diverse cultures you will not experience them fully if you are shut off from regional customs. Consuming meat is a large part of a lot of regional customs. I am not saying you should die, I am saying you are in a bubble.
@msiterE The vast majority of people that cannot imagine going out of their protective bubble will not travel the world. Those of us who are unafraid of new experiences and feeling uncomfortable will. If you do travel and you limit what you are willing to experience you will miss out on what may be the best moments of your life.
@msiterE Think about this for a moment. How would you react if you invited someone into your home for dinner and you spent all day making a vegetarian 5 course meal, and after your guest arrived they said, "Oh, well I only eat meat." How would you react? Would you just get over it right away? No. You would be upset? Yes. Now what if that person was from another country where they only eat meat? It is offensive to not eat what someone cooked for you, or offers to share. It is bad manners.
@chade1983 if i was going to invite someone over to my house for dinner i would know them better than that... besides that person should make it very clear that he only eats meat before i cook the veggies... im not that strict... ill eat a little for my gramma on thanksgiving but never buy or prepare meat for myself...its reallly hard with every one around you ya know
@chade1983 Anthony Bourdain is one of the most open minded person ever. He is being harsh here but he is also being brutally honest from a perspective of a chef, of somebody who travel the world, experiences and admire many customs and cultures. The American food industry (and whatever bad things associate with it) is just something small in the sand of time and the world beyond.
@LoveKingArthur Wow, I never looked at it like that, fuck other cultures and new experiences. You know I hope everywhere turns into America so everywhere I go is just like home and no matter where I am it feels like I never left. Wow, what a stupid fucking concept. I am glad YOU thought of it and not me, because if I did I would have to kick my own ass.
Some of us have empathy and compassion. Some of us aren't so nearsighted as to only derive pleasure from food. Vegans have a tremendous strength of character. I'd much rather play with domesticated animals or observe wild animals in their natural habitat than eat food which necessitates their destruction.
Vegans are like vampires that don't drink human blood, lol. I'm sure if a higher lifeform started slaughtering humans for meat, we'd object (and if they were like us, they wouldn't listen).
I gave up arguing ignorant wankers about vege/vegan stuff 10 years ago and just went on with being it,because there's only so many brick walls you can bash your head against for years and years. But man could I crush this arrogant bitches skull and hammer kick his eye sockets into his brain. We get it already you don't like veg*ism and you bash it, I don't particulary like you or how you talk about it, so I will bash you MF. Suede OUT!
Give that cheese to poor non-vegans Mr. Bourdain, that will never experience that food in your nice little restaurants. You're just flaunting your gluttonous tendencies, social status and insensitivity, you are the spokesman for the general non-vegan population.
@fryzor And you, with your Holier-than-thou attitude and willingness to instantly judge EVERYONE who isn't a part of your little club makes YOU the spokesman for the "Vegans are better than everyone else" population. Why don't you and Onision go blow each other and leave everyone else alone.
@wendighoul What exactly is holier than thou about calling someone out for douchebaggery towards a certain group ? The entire statement of his is laced with asinine views towards someone having a plant based diet (either for moral, ecological or HEALTH reasons even). "they are the source of all that's evil and they should be hunted down" ..."they should just kill themselves now". Yeah, I'm a total pretentious prick for all I've said, your last comment just shows what level YOUR maturity is. :)
@MannyIsMyHero You love eating the most acidic lowest nutrient food on the planet that isn't designed for the human digestive system? Are you brain damaged by chance?
Vegans are fine but the people that protest this stuff usually live like everyone else, like consuming slave goods from third world countries but yet protest killing animals? Which other wise would infest the globe and we'd be forced to kill them anyways.
@piffpete420 That last phrase is a gross underestimation of nature! Ecosystems balance themselves, except when there's negative human intervention, like, for example, raising the numbers of chickens that are born and killed each year to over 50 billions. You think that's natural? It's what we've got, and along with the breeding of the other billions of exploited animals for human consumption, it's the main cause of global environmental degradation. Why do you say things you know nothing about?
the problem is buddy that nowadays you don't know where your food and your ingredients are coming from.Before, people weren't lazy assholes like you, they worked and owned their own animals and produced their own food, so the animals were not stuck in dirty cages shitting on themselves and suffering like in most meat factories nowadays.You might not care about anything other than yourself, but no everyone is as selfish, childish, careless and self absorbed as you!
So, vegans are "the enemy of all things decent and good"...presumably this makes meateaters supporting an industry of mass cruelty and senseless slaughter the defenders of nobility and moral virtue? Bourdain should be sentenced to spend the rest of his life working in an abbatoir - I wonder if, after a few years of imprisoning and killing too many sad, frightened animals to count, he would feel "decent and good". I personally doubt it.
meat is an essential diet.
ahrchiez 2 days ago
What a jerk.
rskurow 2 weeks ago
What a sad little statement, makes life seem so empty, to revolve around sucking the milk from cows' udders and other forms of cowardice, brutality, abuse of innocence. Their hideous facial expressions say it all...such overblown excitement over eating. Plenty of non-animal foods are fantastic, as well as not being artery clogging. But I guess congestive heart failure etc. are worth the elitist's spoiled palate pleasures. How sad, ignorant, and empty. But the profiting medicos love it.
1221solstice2012 3 weeks ago
@1221solstice2012 I eat red meat 4-5 times a week, my cholesterol is 85/60, my triglycerides are low, and my blood pressure is 110/70. Meat does not equate to poison. We are also not strict carnivores - I dont know a single meat eater who will refuse a fresh tomato. I would argue that it's not fair to call us ignorant and empty for enjoying flesh. Plenty of plant matter is artery clogging. Spoiled palate? How smug. Some value music, I value food - it's unfair to pass judgement
Higgins2001 3 weeks ago
@Higgins2001 Your statistics could be real, fabricated, or temporary. We have tons of wonderful non-animal foods; you CHOOSE unnecessarily to eat abused, slaughtered, innocent, helpless animals. That's your problem. Again the gluttony, it is boring. And you pass judgment on me as well, big deal, get over your "sensitivity" regarding your taste for slaughter. Many people have reversed heart disease, chronic constipation, etc., with a vegan diet, with all that "artery clogging plant matter," lol.
1221solstice2012 3 weeks ago
i love eating meat, i mean i really fucking dig it. i put meat in my mouth all the time, sausage, steak, sausage, penis, lamb's leg, venison, hell.
rogerlives 1 month ago
I love all the vegans here who know their life sucks so they make bitter comments. Vegetarianism is fine, being a vegan is retarded
wubbie4 1 month ago
Yes, vegans need to be herded into concentration camps for systematic extermination.
cellomad1 1 month ago 2
Comment removed
cellomad1 1 month ago
so slim x)
preliminar 1 month ago
We developed a taste for meat long before evolution gave us a brain capable of self-awareness. Are you veggies saying that the lion should stop eating meat when it gets a bit smarter?
ukspizzaman 2 months ago
what a dick, but he is funny. I wish people wouldn't listen to him about vegans though, considering vegans simply try to give animals a voice, since they can not speak for themselves and suffer through torture silently in factory farms around the world. To learn about this, watch the movie 'Earthlings' or 'From Farm to Fridge' here on youtube. Go Vegan!
SuperAnimalDrummer 2 months ago
Comment removed
SuperAnimalDrummer 2 months ago
I wouldnt want to use the toilet after this fuck head. I hope he chokes on a ducks foot. His arteries must be clogged like fuck.
durianriders 2 months ago 2
@durianriders Go fuck yourself you dumb fuck.
12Antoniobu 1 month ago
@12Antoniobu Are you mad? There is a lot of anger in your sentence.
vicrobert 1 month ago
@vicrobert I'm not mad. I just enjoy swearing.
12Antoniobu 1 month ago
Comment removed
nitemead 2 months ago
Thank you Anthony.
bennihana123 2 months ago
I know a whole lot of vegans who are pro choice.
On that one alone, we should run them down a cliff.
hansama2011 2 months ago
WHAT a jerk
qwondoflex 2 months ago
I like to eat animals because they're delicious... and on sale at Ralphs.
grimsfield 2 months ago
Never trust a vegan.
PennyDreadfuI 4 months ago 8
Vegans, might as well kill yourself now. LOL
rducut 4 months ago
@J060191 no I am not
Kuba77 4 months ago
@J060191 Obviously you care suckaaa :) Suck it NOW!
Kuba77 4 months ago
@J060191 But isn't sperm animal protein and thus no-nos for vegans?
globalforce 4 months ago
he is cunt..zionist media balloon...
t461321c 5 months ago
Anthony Idiot Bourdain.
chicksfeisty 5 months ago
I'll give up eating meat when the predators among our animal friends do.
JMarchOHare 5 months ago
Fuck you Anthony Bourdain, you senseless sack of shit
Evan2718281828 5 months ago
well, Anthony, perhaps someone should torture you before eating you. You are a sick little man justifying cruelty.
raydeen1 5 months ago
@raydeen1 Just because you eat meat doesn't mean the animal has to be tortured.
JoshuaNassir2 5 months ago
@JoshuaNassir2
You're still killing it, aren't you? Would you eat a human?
Evan2718281828 5 months ago
@Evan2718281828
A human has more emotional and intellectual worth than any animal.
JoshuaNassir2 5 months ago
@JoshuaNassir2
Intellectually, yes, humans are more advanced. But that's not what's relevant in ethics, it's suffering. If certain animals are capable of suffering, which they are, then they matter ethically. So killing an animal is still wrong, just like killing a human is wrong. By the way, it's really not hard to be a vegan or vegetarian if that's what's deterring you. It's actually cheaper than eating meat.
Evan2718281828 5 months ago
@Evan2718281828 Sure they suffer, but it's not like they are killed for no reason. It's to supplement human health. Good source of protein and sometimes in countries where meat is abundant its a good thing to eat. As long as its not wasteful I don't mind. Also I tried being vegetarian, leaves me unsatisfied.
JoshuaNassir2 5 months ago
@JoshuaNassir2
Are you serious? How can you say that human health, which meat has little effect on, can justify the thousands of animals born to be weakened and killed that are used to feed a human? Imagine a scenario where some humans were bred for meat. Would you actually defend consumption of it due to the fact that it's not wasteful and is a source of protein? Concentration camps were not wasteful, because they made supplies for that Nazi army. Usefulness cannot outweigh animals being killed
Evan2718281828 5 months ago
@Evan2718281828 Once again you're comparing humans to animals. Not the same.
JoshuaNassir2 5 months ago
@JoshuaNassir2
I already addressed that 4 comments up from this, and you didn't respond to those points, so you can now if you'd like.
Evan2718281828 5 months ago
@Evan2718281828
So because it suffers you should stray completely from ending it's life? An ant suffers, will you go out of your way to avoid stepping on every ant? Sure, living things suffer when they are killed however that is not always the case. The physiology of the animal is known. If you kill it in the right way they feel no pain (All the meat in my home is butchered this way). If they can painlessly die to supplement human nutrition it's fine with me.
JoshuaNassir2 5 months ago
@Evan2718281828 (Cont'd) Sure the animal does not want to suffer. It does not have to suffer in order for it to die. Maybe instead of being vegetarian you should know where your food comes from. Sorry but cows do not create philosophies about the life of the cow and it's worth. It gets hungry, it wants to crap, it wants to piss, it wants to eat and it doesn't want to be tortured. The torture is the problem, not the killing.
JoshuaNassir2 5 months ago
@Evan2718281828 Godwin's rule.
globalforce 4 months ago
@globalforce
hahaha godwins law
Evan2718281828 4 months ago
@Evan2718281828 Ya got me there. But gee golly, at least I'm not the retard who brought in Nazi concentration camp to an argument about Veganism :-)
globalforce 4 months ago
@globalforce
wait you meant that as a serious criticism? You know it's just a joke, right? It's not a logical fallacy or anything to compare a sufficiently horrible situation to Nazi Germany. It's a funny observation that Nazi analogies appear often in debate, I see it all the time and it's prevalence humours me, but it's not a logical misstep by any stretch of the imagination.
Evan2718281828 4 months ago
@Evan2718281828 The devil is in the details, child. You just equated eating animals to eating humans and then jumped to blabber on about Nazi concentration camps. Let's see. Humans being omnivores = cannibalism = genocide. LOLWAT?
globalforce 4 months ago
@globalforce
"You just equated eating animals to eating humans" -Well what difference is there? What difference is so great that it makes it ok to kill animals but not ok to kill humans? We start by not knowing the differences between these two biological cousins. You must list the differences between them that make it permissible to kill animals..
"blabber on about Nazi concentration camps." -I see, that's what you say when you don't want to directly address reductio ad absurdum arguments.
Evan2718281828 4 months ago
@Evan2718281828 "You must list the differences between them that make it permissible to kill animals.."
No, you ignorant swine, since the majority of human population sees a fucking difference between a NORMAL omnivore diet and fucking cannibalism, YOU are in the minority and thus YOU are in the position to prove anything. I dare you to go eat a human and try to make that case. There isn't a court of law in the civilized world that wouldn't throw your ass in jail or fry/hang/poison/shoot you.
globalforce 4 months ago
@globalforce Nice try with the insults, but it doesn't cover up your pitiable excuse for a logical argument.
"YOU are in the minority and thus YOU are in the position to prove anything"
This is just a fallacy. You even condensed it into it's purest form for me, thank you!
Since the burden of proof always lies on the person claiming x exists (you, claiming that ethically relevant distinctions between humans and other animals exist), you have the burden of proof, not me
Evan2718281828 4 months ago
@Evan2718281828 No, it's not CLAIMED by me, it is in fact a common wisdom accepted by the majority of human population. A minority opinion seeking to disprove conventional wisdom needs to prove itself. That is a fallacy? How STUPID are you?
See, way back when everyone else thought smoking was good for your health, the anti-smoking people didn't just say random shit and asked people to disprove them. They disproved conventional wisdom through evidence and science.
globalforce 4 months ago
@Evan2718281828 Anyway, since I'm such a generous person, (not really) let's think about this whole "animals feel pain and should not be eaten" thing.
See, pain is a biological "trait," an evolutionary tool that informs danger and harm and helps physical harm. Since plants can't appropriately react to pain, it is useless and thus they have not developed that trait. Also, the number of animal species that feel pain as we know it are very limited. Many species(insects and such)don't feel pain
globalforce 4 months ago
@Evan2718281828 In other words, your "ethical" argument really is based on this peculiar trait of "pain" that is, in the end, nothing more than a biological device that serves evolutionary purpose. You are picking a group of species based on a biological trait and declaring them worthy of a special treatment.("Plants don't feel pain, so it's okay to eat, but animals do, so it's not")Well, bad news. The rest of human population is doing the exact same thing, only their criteria is "intelligence."
globalforce 4 months ago
@Evan2718281828 There is nothing inherently moral or ethical about deciding what or what not to eat based on an arbitrary selection of particular criteria. If anything, "animal rights" is an extension of human social construct to other species and objects, which is... ridiculous. Would you accuse animals of immodesty because they expose their genitals? Would you put the mother nature on trial for crimes against humanity because of the tsunami? Can you prosecute a bear that attacks humans?
globalforce 4 months ago
Based on his the dickish arrogance he demonstrates in this vid, I don't want to see his genes passed on either.
thermoregulator 5 months ago
Bourdain is an accomplished chef and food writer who has traveled all around the world and knows more about different cultures than any of you could ever hope to, and he merely made a hyperbolic joke and you are all outraged.
Yes you, you conformist bunch of teenage hacks who have and never will do anything notable in your life other than being self righteous snobs who force your beliefs on others. Be proud of yourselves for insulting some guy you disagree with on the internet.
kingboobs20 5 months ago
Comment removed
kingboobs20 5 months ago
errr? who is this man? Did he just say vegans should be exterminated or kill themselves because they don't want to eat stinky cheese? I'm no vegan and certainly not a vegetarian. Mr Bourdain seems to express himself rather primitively. Intelligent people do not express themselves in this way.
mandywhittles 6 months ago
@mandywhittles He's making a joke to express his opinion. He doesn't actually think they should kill themselves, he's just using obscurity to point out how ridiculous he thinks being a vegan is, and also how much he's enjoying his meal.
chimpiki 6 months ago
God, he is stupid. Fucking troll.
CarlMinez 7 months ago
lol I love reading the top comments. You guys are so epic!
Beatle214 7 months ago
very, very sad that some people seem to find "good" (well, whatever that means...) food more fulfilling than finding ways to try and make the planet you live on a tiiiny bit "better" (from a non-ego perspective), as silly as this may sound. Broaden your horizon, A. "ignorant-gourmet" Bourdain! if you weren't so narrow-minded you 'd find ways to prepare a tasty vegan meal. Or at least shut up and don't claim vegans don't enjoy life - you know they do for LOVE, don't you? ;-)
kratzbuerste87 8 months ago
I cannot enjoy just a pile of stinky cheese, it must be ontop of my steak :D
Jebrone 8 months ago
@Oxydox Here's a hypothetical for you, imagine there was a scientific study that proved all plants were sentient beings that could feel pain and emotions. What would you eat then? And how would vegans/vegetarians live with yourselves knowing you ate some poor sunflower's children? Or that you orphaned an apple by torturing his parents in front of him by slowly peeling off their skin before killing them? Eating is, and has always been about consuming life to sustain your own.
Galactic123 8 months ago
I force myself to eat meat, I see it as an homage to my caveman ancestors. To not eat meat is an insult to my people and I aim to force feed meat to all vegans. I call it an enlightened act of carnivorosity©.
korvinsnerfable 9 months ago
This guy is correct lol
cominotti 10 months ago
Yea because cheese is the freaking meaning of all life.
Skyrenx 10 months ago
Hahaha, why do people eat meat? Cause it's delicious :)
12815923 11 months ago
What a whiney moron this Bourdain idiot is. Not everyone has the same tastes or hobbies....its a bit like saying to him "you don't play cricket?? what a boring and dull life you must lead".
Since becoming a vegetarian (and virtually a vegan now), my experiences of food has expanded and become far more interesting, basically because my tastebuds have changed, and i don't NEED meat, with a few bits of token veg, as a meal.
CompassionateChap 11 months ago
idiot.
daphy8 1 year ago
It's all well and good to be good stewards of the land, but you over sensitive take to the comedic stage level need to just worry about yourselves and let everyone else burn in their tasty meat devouring hell.
myldmnrd 1 year ago
i hope anthony bourdain never comes to india if he does his whole theory will go out of context.. Veg food is not for the elite , Veg food can be tasty and No one thinks of themselves as morally superior to others just because of food habits...there is more to it than it just being food...
arulisms 1 year ago
@arulisms He was in India and enjoyed the vegetarian food there. Tell me. How many VEGANS are there in India?
AntiveganTV 11 months ago
@arulisms Dude he did go to India, multiple times, and enjoyed vegetarian food there. Your point is....?
ChineseinCanada 10 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@arulisms Dude he did go to India, multiple times, and enjoyed vegetarian food there. Your point is....?
ChineseinCanada 10 months ago
Your vegetables are picked by migrant workers who get trucked in and treated like cattle.
Heck, your vegetables might be coming from overseas where human rights are often worse. You only eat what's seasonal and local, right?
Or that farm equipment was manufactured in China, in a sweat shop, or some quasi-legal Foxcon type operation that's not much better.
Your "fair trade" plate was made by a 5-year-old in Africa who gets paid $.05 a day...
Eating is cruelty. Take your pick.
7j8i9m 1 year ago 34
@7j8i9m This is largely the way I feel about the entire anti-meat movement. I can't help but be insulted.
roofsup 1 year ago
@roofsup i feel like this 7j8i9m's comment goes to everyone a like though. lol
frdrcksncn 6 months ago
@7j8i9m the ppl who come here on trucks they do by their will and they go to an great extent of avoiding the law. no one is forcing them to come here. its not our fault that other countries money and economy is less valued than us. not every currency is strong as d american dollar.
fardisghomeshi 11 months ago
@7j8i9m Sounds like you are personally insulted by veganism- which means you have some serious insecurities about the way you live your life........
magicalhearingman 10 months ago
@7j8i9m So what as the human population gets bigger it will only get worst.
CapChronic 9 months ago
@7j8i9m Very good points, but they do not mean we simply accept everything as it is. I can't boycott everything, but I do in fact try my best to not buy anything made in China. Yes, that's extremely difficult to do. The way they treat animals AND humans is atrocious. 1 in 7 female infants in China disappears. Their bodies are found in dumps and gutters. If I don't eat animals, I know I'm not contributing to the way they die.
notefromself 7 months ago
@7j8i9m "We must not refuse with our eyes what they endure with their bodies." Gretchen Wyler
notefromself 7 months ago
@7j8i9m you're an idiot.
Bayeb 7 months ago
@7j8i9m Just to be clear, all of that is involved in meat production, too. Not producing meat will reduce cruelty by producing less vegetables to feed the animals.
TheFelzix 6 months ago 8
@7j8i9m
Yea so lets start lets killing people for fun, cause well life is cruel planet is cruel universe is cruel, why try to minimize the harm done by us to the environment by for example being vegan,vegetarian, animal rights activist, environmentalist. Lets just exploit and kill one another, hey life is cruel bro you can't do nothing about it.
MichaelPZeitgeist 5 months ago
@7j8i9m
You do realize that factory farmed animals have it much worse right? At least killing isn't an unavoidable part of harvesting plants.
Evan2718281828 5 months ago
That's a retarded reason. Who the fuck cares if meat tastes good, it's one tiny meal in our life, and it's that one animals entire life gone so we can enjoy it. At least vegans stand for something.
blingdaleks 1 year ago
i weep for people whose greatest imaginable joy is the taste of some cheese... :D
fishbrot 1 year ago 2
@fishbrot
Weep away thanks for the tears - me - I'll take the cheese
PS What are you doing here?
jmarcv666 1 year ago 2
This guy can kill himself now
MegaCRuffy 1 year ago
Hmm, maybe some of us more reasonable people should get together, corner Bourdain, and force him to eat vegan cheesecake, mock cheeses, etc.? :D
Contrary to what nut jobs like this believe, it is perfectly in keeping with living an ethical life that harms no one to consume delicious, mouth-watering, amazing food: whatever it is you want, just make it vegan. Tofu "chicken" strips. Vegan cheesecake. Vegan soy or coconut milk ice cream. Cookies. Soy or agar based cheeses. The list goes on.
kimberlily1983 1 year ago
@kimberlily1983
Don't forget Dr. Cow's gourmet nut-based cheeses! The list really DOES go on and on!
:D
queerpriestess 1 year ago
@queerpriestess I've seen this recently, looks amazing! But they are on the pricey side, aren't they? Would love to get my hands on a round, though, give it a try. :D
kimberlily1983 1 year ago
@kimberlily1983 Honestly? I'd rather wish people learn about demanding that we have a better approach to farming (even with plants.. referencing "Dust Bowl" of the 1930a), promote better conditions for farms, learn about moderation in the consumption of food etc. Basically no matter choice we choose (vegan or not), if we can at least be able to choose the better options out there.. that should be enough lol
sheshiechan 1 year ago
@sheshiechan Hmm, well to me, that's like saying, if we can eliminate the worst forms of rape, child molestation, and have only the more mild forms (whatever that would be), then we should be happy with that.
Until no one is being kept confined, used, and killed for others' trivial purposes, people will continue to defend those of us who are in those conditions, to fight for their freedom. The simplest thing to do, to be a part of this, is be vegan....
kimberlily1983 1 year ago
@kimberlily1983 I choose to believe that there's a world of difference between child molestation, rape and eating farm animals. The fact that you basically see it all as the same thing is a bit disturbing honestly on various levels. There's no way in any form that they are even related to be used in an argument. Passing judgement based on self-perceived moral superiority is something that you need to feel better about your food choices then have at it. I think that moderation is always key.
sheshiechan 1 year ago
@sheshiechan I didn't equate rape with animal exploitation. I equated enabling and supporting rape to enabling and supporting animal exploitation. In both cases, you're causing serious harms to befall another. In the same way someone who pays for child pornography supports an industry that harms children, someone who chooses to eat animal products supports an industry that harms cattle, chickens, pigs, etc. ....
kimberlily1983 1 year ago
@kimberlily1983 * Crap, in my comment, I meant to say "I didn't equate rape with eating meat." The same way I wouldn't equate rape with watching (as opposed to producing) child pornography, or enjoying products that come from child exploitation vs. enjoying exploiting the children yourself. There are significant differences there, I agree. You can eat meat while distancing yourself from the pain and suffering caused by your choice, whereas it's much harder to deny that harm while raping someone.
kimberlily1983 1 year ago
Oh for crying out loud everyone - rape? same species molestation? Whats that got to do with eating surplus substance from a non related species udder?
Holy crap already! If you believe in the bible then you should know, god is gonna get awfully pissed if you dont eat what 'it' said explicitely was put on the planet for you.
jmarcv666 1 year ago
@jmarcv666 I just want you to think on this...
Dairy cows have to be impregnated to give milk. It's the pure, raw, fact of the matter. This is done by man (and if you think they somehow get the bulls to do it "naturally" you need a reality check-- you would be paying $10 per gallon of milk). Man inserts his whole arm into the rectum, positions uterus from the rectum wall, inserts semen using a tool commonly referred to as a "rape rack." I shit you not, sir or madam. Can you guess if I'm vegan?
edthehead83 1 year ago
@edthehead83
> just want you to think on this...
OK, now I am showing my ignorance, because that isnt how it is done where I live. There are bulls in the field. I keep forgetting about the monsato farms.
But then again, the other side, you now remind me that in youth, I had a friend who studied artificial insemination and he said it was of no consequence to the cow.
We should remind ourselves that projecting our feelings onto the species is how this becomes out of hand also.
jmarcv666 1 year ago
@edthehead83 I guess you are a faggot.
masterhalco 1 year ago
@sheshiechan .... Observing the moral minimum of refraining from harm is what I called "fine". That means not buying child pornography and not buying animal products. Going beyond that is what I called "great", and by that I mean working on campaigns against child pornography, or animal exploitation, etc. - that sort of thing.
As for respecting others' moral codes, I'll do so when your moral code doesn't include torturing and killing others.
kimberlily1983 1 year ago
Comment removed
sheshiechan 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Then you're an unreasonable person. If you cannot have a modicum of respect then you do not deserve it. I'm sorry but unlike you I can certainly try to give you the modicum of respect that I believe that every living person inherently is born with. What that entails is that I will try to listen to all opinion (though its hard) and let people have the ability to choose for themselves their moral code, opinion and belief system and voice that opinion. I will disagree with respect.
sheshiechan 1 year ago
@sheshiechan ..... If you want do more, great, if not, fine. But it's the minimum that's morally required; anything less is like torturing just a little bit, sustaining their prisons that much more, etc. I can't understand how anyone in their right mind would want to be a part of that.
kimberlily1983 1 year ago
@kimberlily1983 Interesting that "doing more" (in you believe is doing more) is "great" and not doing it is merely "fine" I see the moral superiority peeking out again. Shouldn't it be "whatever you do, that meets your personal moral code is great"? Because I've been pushed this "truth" by vegans and non alike and yet when push comes to shove one truth is always seen as "great" and another "fine".. Why not commend farmers who are trying to do things the right way even if the end results are not
sheshiechan 1 year ago
@kimberlily1983 your end results? I mean isn't this the new belief system now days? Or is this something that people say they believe but at the end of the day isn't the case? I choose to eat healthy and I choose to eat in moderation. I try to choose the better ingredients whenever possible and that includes eating meat. If that makes me no better than a child molesting rapist (and yes in your own words "milder forms") then I suppose I will live with that label... :P
sheshiechan 1 year ago
@kimberlily1983 I've tried tofu "chicken" and soy cheese. I still agree with Mr Bourdain.
FrankCostanzasLawyer 1 year ago
ahhahaha anthony i do love you
martiniforlunch92 1 year ago
FUCK PETA
porter128 1 year ago
@porter128
Not all vegetarians and vegans follow PETA, in fact, an extremely small percentage does. I'm a vegan myself and I believe PETA is an idiotic extremist organization. So shut the hell up before you generalize vegans and vegetarians as PETA-fanatics. Vegetarian/vegan =/= PETA.
MewHikaru 1 year ago
@MewHikaru
Generalisations, by their very nature, admit to exceptions. What you are objecting to is a universalisation, a small distinct difference where instead of many people sharing a common trait, every single person shares that trait. I know, the terminology can be confusing. One is general, the other universal.
Mr Bourdain's primary objections to vegetarianism regards the contention that the position is extremely rude in a multitude of different cultures and is a First World luxury.
mastersausagemaker 1 year ago
@mastersausagemaker
I don't have any complaints regarding Mr. Bourdain's views on it. He has a very good point. However, I do have a problem with people assuming everybody that doesn't eat meat or animal products is a follower of PETA.
MewHikaru 1 year ago
@MewHikaru
I would agree that it is an unfair characterisation to say that all vegetarians or vegans are followers of PETA. Generally, what is meant by such remarks is not literally that vegetarians follow PETA, more that PETA members tend to be vegetarian. It is a disparaging argument nonetheless. It is equivalent of the statement "not all Republicans are idiots, but idiots tend to be Republican" since "not all vegetarians follow PETA, but PETA members tend to be vegetarian."
mastersausagemaker 1 year ago
@mastersausagemaker 42% of the population of India is vegetarian, how is that a first world luxury?
broughtskin 1 year ago
@broughtskin
I gave the shortened version because we have limited character counts. A more complete understanding of Anthony Bourdain's perspective would say (if M. Bourdain would allow me to speak on his behalf): Vegetarianism, with the exception of the religious strictures of India (or any other such society), is a First World luxury.
His compliant regarding vegetarianism is about the role of meat in culture, not necessarily about meat itself.
Obviously not all places have India's climate.
mastersausagemaker 1 year ago
@mastersausagemaker Well that is only a chef's perspective, and obviously one that is vehemently opposed to vegetarianism so you can only expect a shallow understanding of the practice.
broughtskin 1 year ago
@broughtskin
Are you saying that his perspective is somehow devalued by his profession as a chef? How do you know that he is not extremely informed about the practices and impetus of vegetarianism and simply disagrees with it? He clearly allows for religious exceptions as it is a defining characteristic of the culture and its food, so it's not vegetarianism he has a problem with so much as those who actively refuse despite ample opportunity.
mastersausagemaker 1 year ago
its like 5 secconds of flavour ant texture in your mouth.. who cares bout the cheese! yet a mother cow was forced away from her child ( whom is to become 'veil') to prduce this cheese!
eddyotube 1 year ago
Come on now vegans, you know your momma was eating a whole lot a KFC when she was pregnant lol.
Ain't some of you wondered why you have incisors for teeth? They're for tearing meat that is consumed. Humans are omnivores. So are all primates below the human even the small monkeys that have been eating bugs and things before the cavemen.
683tahwilz4 1 year ago
Such angry vegans here. What are you gonna do, throw eggplants at us?
Mengele4444 1 year ago
@Mengele4444 cuz the guy in the vid is an ignorant duoche who has a sense over superiority for eating meat
msiterE 1 year ago
@msiterE An ignorant douche that has been to every continent and eaten with a more diverse selection of people that your veggie loving ass would ever get to. See when you go places where life is a struggle animals become a way of life. In America we live better than 95% of the globe. Vegans are the insulated product of this grotesque society. Without industrialization vegetarianism might not have occurred. Thanks to oil, beef, pork, poultry, seafood, coal, and steel, farming yields improved.
chade1983 1 year ago
@chade1983 so because people having been doing it for years means that we need to keep doing it.... people walked for centuries should we not bike becuase without the walkers there wouldnt be any bikers... progress dude...they ate meat to survive now we have so much we suffer from obesity not starvation... how does pork improve farming yields? do you know how much food you have to feed the pigs as opposed to all the calories you could get in the form of potatoes...
msiterE 1 year ago
@msiterE Carnosine. Do you know what carnosine is? Because of meat production farmers developed techniques to improve yields. Manure fertilizes crops. Without high demand industry doesn't progress as quickly. Eating just veggies is not evolving.You may think because you eat just veggies you are more evolved, but your not.You are the byproduct of a meat eating society. Because people bought and buy meat you get more veggies. Think long and hard about it. Your idealized perspective is not reality.
chade1983 1 year ago
@chade1983 factory farms feed cows corn which makes their manure toxic and unuseable as fertilzer... manure is not necessary to fertilize crops... compost is made from the parts of plants that arent used and take about 2 years to decompose... manure speeds up the process to as soon as six months... as long as a human does not consume animal products you can use their poop for manure
msiterE 1 year ago
@msiterE Manure has not always been toxic. If you are against factory farming and an advocate of organic farming then say that. Don't try to twist factory farming into the conversation like that is why you are vegetarian. Organic farming practices are becoming more highly demanded. Organic farming can still produce meat. Factory farms are not all farms. If you don't like factory farm, good for you, but to blanket the meat consumption industry into that category is foolish and irresponsible.
chade1983 1 year ago
@msiterE You can buy hormone free grass fed beef. When people buy more of something companies change what they sell to get more people buying that product. Like beef for instance. If more people bought grass fed beef more farmers would produce grass fed beef. Look at how many different types of soda are out there. They started out with one kind sweetener and one flavor, now look at your options due to demand.
chade1983 1 year ago
@chade1983 thats what i say... just decided not to go with the grass- fed, free range and just go vegan
msiterE 1 year ago
@msiterE Comparing transportation to eating is illogical. People still walk. Are you going to try to convince people walking should be outlawed? Do you protest walking? Since you consider eating meat like walking and being vegan like riding a bike would you then say that the environmental destruction caused by the production of bicycles is comparable to the effects of vegetarianism? Isn't walking better for the environment? Thus making meat eating more environmentally friendly.
chade1983 1 year ago
@msiterE And if you would then say that walking is like vegetarianism and meat eating is like riding a bike, would that then contradict your point that vegetarianism is a step forward in the evolutionary process since we walked before we rode? So with this logic could it then be said that vegetarianism would actually bring about devolution? Do you think primates ate meat first or veggies first? Based on today's primates diet of mostly veggies, are we more evolved or less for eating more meat?
chade1983 1 year ago
@msiterE Because people ate pork they survived. Therefore because of pork farmers were able to farm, thusly allowing others to eat pork, corn, bread, beef, and everything else. Because people eat society continues. Due to American industrial diversification we became a wealthier nation. Farming started all of that. The amount of people on this earth increased due to larger amounts of food and jobs created from an increase in industry.
chade1983 1 year ago
@msiterE And if you believe there are too many people on this earth then you should support meat consumption because animals eat food people could eat which lowers the amount of people on the earth. Also, eating meat, you say, lowers life expectancy. So if you think there are too many people, meat consumption lowers the amount of time people are on Earth. With you being a vegetarian I am sure you worry about human overpopulation. Meat helps you kill people.
chade1983 1 year ago
@chade1983 i never said the world was overpopulated... and you want the world to eat meat so that there are less people and they live shorter lives?... thats crazy evil dude... WOW... im done talking
msiterE 1 year ago
@msiterE I like people and I hope more and more populate the globe. And I hope they all want meat to eat, so I can continue my diet of various meat products.
chade1983 1 year ago
@msiterE Basically without animal consumption vegetarians would not get to exist. Kinda like the livestock we eat. Without humans participating in animal consumption, the livestock would not exist. The sub-urban and urban lifestyles that America offers are what created vegetarians. People got a little bit of money and decided they were going to eat fresh veggies everyday. It has turned into a status symbol. If you are a vegan you are above the hoards of common folk. Animals are people too, psh
chade1983 1 year ago
@chade1983 we are not all arrogant about it... im a vegan for health reasons and im way healthier than the guy in the vid... if this guy is gonna say that our lifestyles are just cheating ourselves from the pleasures of eating around the world, well im not doing that and i find my health much more satisfying than anything this guys can cook up... so much more too life than food... he can do whatever he wants but if hes gonna say that than fuck him
msiterE 1 year ago
@msiterE When you turn down food from people who struggle to survive you're insulting them. You live in a protective bubble. In that bubble you cannot reason what life outside of it would be like because you will not venture outside of it. You are being snobbish and don't even realize it. To say otherwise when you are explicit about your stance is quite arrogant. You imply you are right due to your inflated ego. You don't eat meat so you are superior to those who do.
chade1983 1 year ago
@chade1983 when did i say im better than anyone... i have a healthy lifestyle that i love and this arrogant closed minded douche says i should drop dead and i am the scum of society... and so are you... people need to eat and by all means thats more important... thanks to globalization i can buy fruit that come from south america in the winter and i dont need to eat meat...im not saying everyone needs to stop eating it but dont judge me or say i should drop dead cuz you dont know me man
msiterE 1 year ago
@msiterE By limiting your consumption of goods you are limiting your exposure to life. That is is message. If you say you won't eat meat then you won't meet a more diverse selection of people. Your interactions will be limited. If you travel and want to experience diverse cultures you will not experience them fully if you are shut off from regional customs. Consuming meat is a large part of a lot of regional customs. I am not saying you should die, I am saying you are in a bubble.
chade1983 1 year ago
@chade1983 the vast majority of us wont travel the world... that doesnt bother me
msiterE 1 year ago
@msiterE The vast majority of people that cannot imagine going out of their protective bubble will not travel the world. Those of us who are unafraid of new experiences and feeling uncomfortable will. If you do travel and you limit what you are willing to experience you will miss out on what may be the best moments of your life.
chade1983 1 year ago
@msiterE Think about this for a moment. How would you react if you invited someone into your home for dinner and you spent all day making a vegetarian 5 course meal, and after your guest arrived they said, "Oh, well I only eat meat." How would you react? Would you just get over it right away? No. You would be upset? Yes. Now what if that person was from another country where they only eat meat? It is offensive to not eat what someone cooked for you, or offers to share. It is bad manners.
chade1983 1 year ago
@chade1983 if i was going to invite someone over to my house for dinner i would know them better than that... besides that person should make it very clear that he only eats meat before i cook the veggies... im not that strict... ill eat a little for my gramma on thanksgiving but never buy or prepare meat for myself...its reallly hard with every one around you ya know
msiterE 1 year ago
@msiterE You say from inside your bubble.
chade1983 1 year ago
Comment removed
chade1983 1 year ago
@msiterE But good. You should be open minded and respectful.
chade1983 1 year ago
@chade1983 that exactly what im saying... you should be open minded... this guy in the vid isnt
msiterE 1 year ago
@chade1983 Anthony Bourdain is one of the most open minded person ever. He is being harsh here but he is also being brutally honest from a perspective of a chef, of somebody who travel the world, experiences and admire many customs and cultures. The American food industry (and whatever bad things associate with it) is just something small in the sand of time and the world beyond.
sinnerandprejudice 1 year ago
@sinnerandprejudice my bad i meant to reply to misterE
sinnerandprejudice 1 year ago
@chade1983 fuck tradition being used as an excuse
LoveKingArthur 1 year ago
@LoveKingArthur Wow, I never looked at it like that, fuck other cultures and new experiences. You know I hope everywhere turns into America so everywhere I go is just like home and no matter where I am it feels like I never left. Wow, what a stupid fucking concept. I am glad YOU thought of it and not me, because if I did I would have to kick my own ass.
chade1983 1 year ago
There's no way Kobe Bryant is going to beat MJ's records, its like comparing tofu to animal protein.
Leafeatery 1 year ago
Some of us have empathy and compassion. Some of us aren't so nearsighted as to only derive pleasure from food. Vegans have a tremendous strength of character. I'd much rather play with domesticated animals or observe wild animals in their natural habitat than eat food which necessitates their destruction.
Vegans are like vampires that don't drink human blood, lol. I'm sure if a higher lifeform started slaughtering humans for meat, we'd object (and if they were like us, they wouldn't listen).
LukeShetler 1 year ago
@LukeShetler Well the human race deserves to be consumed. Survival of the fittest. Go choke on granola hippy.
whitetrashoutlaw 1 year ago
I gave up arguing ignorant wankers about vege/vegan stuff 10 years ago and just went on with being it,because there's only so many brick walls you can bash your head against for years and years. But man could I crush this arrogant bitches skull and hammer kick his eye sockets into his brain. We get it already you don't like veg*ism and you bash it, I don't particulary like you or how you talk about it, so I will bash you MF. Suede OUT!
TheJameySuede 1 year ago
Give that cheese to poor non-vegans Mr. Bourdain, that will never experience that food in your nice little restaurants. You're just flaunting your gluttonous tendencies, social status and insensitivity, you are the spokesman for the general non-vegan population.
fryzor 1 year ago 2
@fryzor And you, with your Holier-than-thou attitude and willingness to instantly judge EVERYONE who isn't a part of your little club makes YOU the spokesman for the "Vegans are better than everyone else" population. Why don't you and Onision go blow each other and leave everyone else alone.
wendighoul 11 months ago
@wendighoul What exactly is holier than thou about calling someone out for douchebaggery towards a certain group ? The entire statement of his is laced with asinine views towards someone having a plant based diet (either for moral, ecological or HEALTH reasons even). "they are the source of all that's evil and they should be hunted down" ..."they should just kill themselves now". Yeah, I'm a total pretentious prick for all I've said, your last comment just shows what level YOUR maturity is. :)
fryzor 11 months ago
i love meat in my mouth yum yum cows
MannyIsMyHero 1 year ago
@MannyIsMyHero You love eating the most acidic lowest nutrient food on the planet that isn't designed for the human digestive system? Are you brain damaged by chance?
777TylerJB 1 year ago
Vegans are fine but the people that protest this stuff usually live like everyone else, like consuming slave goods from third world countries but yet protest killing animals? Which other wise would infest the globe and we'd be forced to kill them anyways.
piffpete420 1 year ago
@piffpete420 That last phrase is a gross underestimation of nature! Ecosystems balance themselves, except when there's negative human intervention, like, for example, raising the numbers of chickens that are born and killed each year to over 50 billions. You think that's natural? It's what we've got, and along with the breeding of the other billions of exploited animals for human consumption, it's the main cause of global environmental degradation. Why do you say things you know nothing about?
RicardoPetinga 1 year ago
He's doesn't get it
kaleislembas 1 year ago
the problem is buddy that nowadays you don't know where your food and your ingredients are coming from.Before, people weren't lazy assholes like you, they worked and owned their own animals and produced their own food, so the animals were not stuck in dirty cages shitting on themselves and suffering like in most meat factories nowadays.You might not care about anything other than yourself, but no everyone is as selfish, childish, careless and self absorbed as you!
crykylindala 1 year ago 3
@crykylindala Shut up! it's better than livivng in the wild
LEFT4BASS 1 year ago
So, vegans are "the enemy of all things decent and good"...presumably this makes meateaters supporting an industry of mass cruelty and senseless slaughter the defenders of nobility and moral virtue? Bourdain should be sentenced to spend the rest of his life working in an abbatoir - I wonder if, after a few years of imprisoning and killing too many sad, frightened animals to count, he would feel "decent and good". I personally doubt it.
garethac81 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Vegens don't seem to realize that plants are living things aswell
dogstyle2222 1 year ago
Vegens don't seem to realize plants are living hints too...
dogstyle2222 1 year ago