Graham Watkins vs. James Randi at Dragon*Con

[frankensteinmoneymac]

Yeah...hard to say who 'won' this little battle.....all that's posted (in this clip at least) is Watkins's claim, and a sentence or two of Randi's retort.......I could take the side of either party due to my own preconceptions of the issue, but there isn't much of a argument offered here on either side (again, only speaking of this single clip) to suggest that one man outwitted the other with their rhetorical and logical skills......I'd love to see more from both sides, actually.

[Smithpolly]

@frankensteinmoneymac Read the blurb underneath the video.

[frankensteinmoneymac]

@Smithpolly Ah, the link? Yeah I didn't notice that before...I'll check it out! Thanks.

[Stairc]

Aww... I thought this would be a James Randi vs. Graham Watkins rap battle. That would be awesome... And Randi would kick ASS!

[inkheart1198]

aw mann wheres the whole thing?? :(

[nelson1805me]

LOL Idiot got owned...

[gotnatas]

Jesus Christ that chick in the front row has sum tits

[sleepcity]

Randi wins. AWESOME!

[jwka2001]

Randi has a lush beard,,,fuck it ill say it again, LUSH!

[professorhoodoo]

Yes ... It is a SHAM as he says!

[cappastrano]

Know-nothing. The money stays with the foundation, used for education. Randi isn't even head of JREF anymore, idiot.

[cappastrano]

Amazing, you call my personal name calling with personal name calling of your own. If you had evidence of foul play, present it. But you don't, so just quit whining that Randi debunked your favorite superstition.

[ProudSikhJatt]

Hey buddy Randi is a fraud, let me ask you something why did he refuse Ranjanas acceptance in the challenge? He has no answer

[cappastrano]

Ranjanas failed to provide a proper, observable falsifiable test. No conspiracy, just a failure to comply with the rules.

[ProudSikhJatt]

His rules are meaningless, if we read the contract rules they contradict paranormal from beginning not letting the people who actually have psyhic abilities to enter in. Why are psychologists and doctors amazed by her performance? Several people have tested her, the guy is a cheat.

[cappastrano]

The JREF Rules are in place to ensure that no one cheats them out of the cash. When you apply YOU write your OWN experiment, and as long as it meets the basic scientific standards that EVERY scientist in the world uses, you can do your challenge. Ranjanas has failed to write a controlled, observable test.

[ProudSikhJatt]

Ranjana is the one who put up a challenge to Randi asking him if she is cheating then proof it, a scientist has it's own role plays here also, she puts up a challenge to anyone to show evidence that she is cheating and if she is in what way? Randi simply walked away when he was given opportunity to experiment her, also science and paranormal are 2 different things, God is beyond science. She challenged Randi and he refused. simple he backed off.

[cappastrano]

Whoah, paragraphs!

JREF doesn't accept challenges. The Million Dollar Challenge is set up in a very secure legal way, varying from those rules would invalidate the legality and security, as well as the accuracy.

God, if such a thing exists, should be provable. Is there any real difference between something that is undetectable and something that doesn't exist?

[ProudSikhJatt]

well then Ranjana offers challenge which Randi accepted before but then ran off, without a resonable explanation. If he has a challenge, so does she.

Speaking of paranormal, there are many incidents which happen in a person's life which are unexplainable, does it mean that each and every aspect needs evidence? No, since once again, Paranormal and Science do not inter-connect and they never will, so his challenge is biased. God is beyond science...

[cappastrano]

Just because YOU can't explain something doesn't mean its unexplainable. There is no 'paranormal', thats just a label the scam artists made up.

If Ranajana were offering a million dollars to disprove her, then she would have a challenge. As it is, JREF hosts the challenge, and you play by their rules(the rules of real science) or you don't play.

[ProudSikhJatt]

just because I cant explain anything? OR is it anyone WHO HAS HAD Paranormal experience who cannot explain anything? There are many things which happen in this world which are unexplainable and even scientists say themselfs they do not know. Your meaning to say ghosts, god, or things sometimes which happen they just happen naturally? It's not always artists who play. Ranajana is offering to disprove her its JREF to accept or not, and I know they won't accept since there is no way defeating her.

[ProudSikhJatt]

Also The Mayans said, "Great Birds coming towards North bringing downfall of the city on 9/11/2001" These were craved on the stones you still didn't answer how can they explain even in symbols? No one does, so does it mean it's bogus? What else could they mean of 9/11/2001? You tell me, what else did they mean? A new Ronald Mcdonalds is coming? What a joke!

[cappastrano]

No, gullible people interpreted vague markings to mean the events on 9/11, AFTER THE FACT. Try predicting something before it happens, I might be impressed.

[ProudSikhJatt]

Nope, these were actualy found on stones carved by Mayans, and if you want a predication before it happens go to India in bihar area,...

[GumbaMasta]

Wow, I did'nt know the ancient Mayans had our calendar back then.

[ProudSikhJatt]

These r smartasses man, weirdo ppl

[GumbaMasta]

I agree, those Mayans and their Peeeuuma Man can go right home.

[radioactivestd]

You do realize that the person with the extraordinary claim must provide proof. And you just made yourself look like a complete turd clot to anyone with two brain cells.

[ProudSikhJatt]

God is beyond science, and the proof here is when Randi himself did go to see this claim, Ranjana herself said this is a natural power she challenged him also to proof how she is frauding this? Lots of people know about her, why don't you email Randi and ask him why he backed off? I am so sure he will come up with excuses. God is beyond proof, why do you think sometimes unsual things occur? Doesnt mean god doesnt exist, it means he is beyond proof, beyond science itself.

[radioactivestd]

Sorry I thought I was talking to someone capable of rational thought.

[ProudSikhJatt]

"Rational Thought", or your Randi simply had no answer.....why did he back off then? none of you people have answers to this, a lost case you ppl r indeed.

[radioactivestd]

You make me laugh a lot. Thanks.

[ProudSikhJatt]

well then, "haha", even you have no answer how shes doing it, in fact no one does, poor randi he jus ran off

[DemokritosAbdera]

I can say body thetan are beyond science, beyond proof, that doenst make it more plausible (on the contraire).

Your god still is cut by a razor (Ockham), and by the history that point to man-made-gods, not the other way, sorry.

[johannine]

@DemokritosAbdera You do realize William of Ockham was a Catholic theologian and monk, right?

[firecrackerg60]

@radioactivestd "turd clot" that made me laugh. how very apt, lol

[aediasse]

Argument about what? I see no argument about anything here. Physics have never proven their abilities, all they do is decieve and beat their chest and say they can do so and so, but when you actually study the evidence, you find that there are very few, if any.

I think you need some degree of education sir.

[jamesrobertdobbs]

Randi, slayer of the bozos.

[rudenoodle]

Randi is the man! lol