Re: Joshua Evans on the Deen Show: Ten Reasons, Part 1

[HuggiePacino]

Insh Allah! Great video brother! May Allah grant you much rewards for this intelligent response....ISLAM WILL RULE SOON ENOUGH! TAKBIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[daddyknows11]

You can write whatever you want in the bible but you have to step away from it and ask yourself "is this true" "does it make sense?" And I stepped back and looked at the bible and Qu'ran and I made the decision to go with the Qu'ran. To me it just makes so much sense. God is ONE, Only God deserves to have the title as God, no one else. God sent us prophets so we can know how to live this life. Worship God and do good things in this world. Be good. How can I say no to that !

[kevangreen18]

nothing in the bible that is proof HUH?

[LLiimmzz]

Islam puts God in a barrier, God cant do this God cant do that. Islam is a religion that can not handle true Christianity. Arguments are pointless with most muslims they come up with the most pathetic quotes that they Google searched and just talk rubbish about it. do you own research listening to debates and teaching help but you need to know for your self that you are following the right path and not a deviation the devil has made.

Jesus is Lord and he always was and still is lord.

[zorin85]

Your understanding of Islamic theology is typically pathetic. If your 'Christian god' is able to do anything, can he create a rock so heavy that He can't lift it? Your so-called true Christianity is the highly fabricated version introduced by Paul the Liar based on many pagan myths (read The Jesus Mysteries by Freke & Gandy). It has very little to do with the simple, pristine teachings of Jesus. Why dont you do some research on this? Jesus is Lord? Just like Abraham, David and many others.

[LLiimmzz]

@zorin85 Seems like my comment touched a nerve (3 messages wow lol) , i spoke nothing of Islamic theology so i don't no were you got "Your understanding of Islamic theology is typically pathetic".

Anyway may i ask, do you believe God can do all things?

And with the situation on Paul being a lair.. well OK what ever you say zorin85 you would known such a thing like that, because you were there to whiteness his so called lies.

[zorin85]

@LLiimmzz: I commented on your deficient knowledge of Islamic theology because you erroneously claimed that 'Islam puts God in a barrier'. No serious student of theology would make such a silly assertion. In Islam, we believe that God only does Godly things that befit His Majesty & Wisdom. He doesn't indulge in foolish antics (i.e. becoming part of His creation, etc). As for Paul being a certified liar is a fact testified by serious scholarship. Read How Jesus Became Christian by Barrie Wilson.

[LLiimmzz]

@zorin85 Another thing. To be honest with you, i don't care who converts to Islam, Hinduism, Paganism or any other religion From Christianity, i don't care even if the pope converts that is not the bases of me being in my region or changing my religion. God does Godly things in Islam wow that's a whole different argument. Your OK not to knowledgeable but OK. In the nicest way possible

[zorin85]

@LLiimmzz: What are you saying? Please be coherent. You should take note that an increasing number of priests, pastors and preachers belonging to your religion have made the conscious decision to convert to Islam (IslamTomorrow(dot)com). They are doing this without the slightest amount of coercion and compulsion coming from anyone. Why? There must be something in it that attracts them to the true religion of Jesus (i.e Islam) while repelling them from Christianity. Why not do some research here?

[LLiimmzz]

@zorin85 Your a typical Muslim arguing to defend your religion with frankly irrelevant statements. The Jesus Mysteries by Freke & Gandy denies Jesus(عيسى‎ `Īsāh) ever lived which is going against YOUR OWN RELIGION not just Christianity , So if this book by Freke & Gandy happens to be true (which it isn't. Please do research) it would refute (defeat) you own religion. This is what i get all the time, statements made by Muslims that are just so preposterous.

[zorin85]

@LLiimmzz: Once again your claim is misguided. I was not referring to that part of Freke & Gandy but the mention of pagan influence upon Christianity which is corroborated by other scholars of religion & archeology. Check out the works of Tom Harpur and Gerald Massey. Or better still, visit pocm(dot)info for further explanation. These are credible scholars and not deceitful pastors and preachers whom you typically find in your churches. Open your mind to new revelations.

[LLiimmzz]

@zorin85 So you can trust some parts of the book were it talk about pagan influence in Freke & Gandy book but you don't want to trust the part were it talks about Jesus never existing. Well that raps things up for me your argument skill are really bad man lol. And on the subject of deceitful pastors, Go Ask 5 different imams on how much of the Koran has been lost or ask them on why Mohamed and more wives the Allah permuted or on the subject of sunni and shia Corruption (Tahreef) in Quran

[zorin85]

@LLiimmzz: Yes, some parts can be trusted as it is backed by scholarly study while others need to be carefully considered as there is ample evidence to show Jesus was a historical person and not a mere myth. Unlike your fellow Christians, we don't blindly accept things. God has give us brains to be used. Your deep-seated prejudice and ignorance of Islam is once again revealed. I won't waste my time on this as it has all been answered in detail (check out the website mentioned below).

[LLiimmzz]

@zorin85 OK YOU WIN STOP MESSAGING ME NOW LOL BYE DO RESEARCH YOU NEED IT YOUR ARGUMENTS AND REBUTTAL SKILLS ARE AT A LOW STANDERS. I DON'T MEAN TO OFFEND IN ANY WAY AND IF I HAVE FORGIVE ME GOD BLESS YOU I'M OF NOW.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.

[zorin85]

@LLiimmzz: Still embarrassed to concede defeat? Or blind as a bat to see the hollowness of your misguided assertions? A little bit of both, I think. Quite typical as well. So, you think John 1:1 proves your case for a pagan Christ. Think again, honey. It's not what you've been brainwashed with by your deceitful pastors and preachers. For a coherent and logical explanation of this oft-misconstrued verse, check out Biblicalunitarian(dot)com. May the God of Jesus bless you with enlightenment.

[NisaLavigne93]

Salam

you look like brother Joshua, MashaAllah

[LLiimmzz]

There is only one GOD IN CHRISTIANITY IT IS SIMPLE IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT TOUGH. The Three in the trinity are EQUAL (one). It is basic. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. If in your mind you see this as polytheism fouls doctoring has taken over you.

[zorin85]

How could you claim that 'The Three in the trinity are EQUAL' when Jesus professed ignorance and only God is omniscient (Mark 13:32)? Jesus also claimed that the Father is greater than he (John 14:28). Does that mean equal in your language? How could Jesus be an equal to God when he actually worshipped Him (Luke 6:12). Do you worship your co-equal? Jesus also grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52) whereas God is perfect in His wisdom. The Bible refers to Jesus as God's servant (Acts 4:27) not God himself.

[LLiimmzz]

if you go to the bible go to the chapters you have quoted read them then read 3 or 2 verses to understand the context and dont just jump to conclusion. i i writing "life is so good i would never feel like killing my self" and some one just reads "feel like killing my self" does that make what he reed right. Jesus is equal with God fact Jesus is God fact.

[zorin85]

Regardless of how you read the context, there isn't a shred of evidence in the Bible to point to your erroneous conclusion that 'Jesus is equal with God, etc.' Quite to the contrary in fact. There is overwhelming proof from the pages of your holy book that Jesus was who he claimed to be - as God's annointed prophet, messenger, servant and Messiah sent to the 'lost sheep of the house of Israel' (Matt 15:24). To claim that he was God-in-the-flesh is a blatant falsehood!

[LLiimmzz]

thank for answering my question...lol

[zorin85]

@LLiimmzz: Context? What context? Your so-called context only affirms the validity of my case against your ill-informed thesis. It is you Christians who are quite adept in twisting meaning out of context to justify your pagan-inspired creed called Christianity. Your readings of context attribute man-made doctrines to Jesus and his followers while making a mockery of his true teachings (i.e. Islam). Jesus is NEVER God and NEVER claimed to be so. Period.

[LLiimmzz]

can i ask you something i have always wondered why Mohamed had more wife than the quran allows please answer if you can. use the koran for the answer please because i dont really care what any other person except from what you think is the word of God says. thank you

[LLiimmzz]

@zorin85 read the bible and stop taking quotes out of it... it just childish to take 2 sentences and define a persons belief on that.

[zorin85]

Honey, it's not just a matter of couple of verses from your Bible but chunks of them that prove the validity and credibility of Islam's case against your pagan-influenced Christianity. Furthermore, not every Christian agrees with your demented and misguided reasoning. In fact, an increasing number have began to cast aside their corrupted faith and return to the true religion of Jesus, i.e Islam. They include priests, pastors & preachers. Explore their online testimony at the Deen Show website.

[LLiimmzz]

@zorin85 Isn'Jesus(عيسى‎ `Īsāh) mentioned in the Koran? may not be in the same context as the Bible but he is still mentioned. Bringing up The Jesus Mysteries by Freke & Gandy not a smart move. NEXT. Christians believe in the one TRUE GOD(ONE). I think you should do a little research on Mohamed and the satanic verses, if you want to find something about Paganism (a little hint about your religion).

[zorin85]

@LLiimmzz Isa is certainly mentioned in the Qur'an as the historical Jesus but this Jesus is not the same as the Christ portrayed in mainstream Christianity. That Christ is derived from the pagan cults of Mithra, Osiris and Dionysus and was made popular by misguided Christians like Paul the Liar to win over the pagan Greeks and Roman. That is why the Jews until today are never impressed by the Christian Jesus and they still reject him. Freke & Gandy informs on the origins of your pagan Christ.

[LLiimmzz]

@zorin85 When you mention Freke & Gandy it funny because you just show me how much of a dunce you are lol and i wont even tell you why. I'll give you a tip Freke & Gandy write that name in Google click search and don't click on just the first few links go up to the second page of link do research on people before mentioning their names. lol @zorin85 your a funny person you remind me of a LESS knowledgeable Adnana ( Muslim debater)

[zorin85]

@LLiimmzz: You're forced to say these as you are running out of coherent argument. Just feeling too proud to throw in the towel. Another typical Christian trait. Did I claim to be an ardent fan of those authors? I only accept those part of their arguments which are backed by solid research. Not simply everything. God has given us the intellect to distinguish fact from fiction. Learn to use it. The pagan influence upon Christianity is widely admitted by scholars of religion and history.

[zorin85]

@LLiimmzz: To claim that you believe in the One True God is equally misleading. Your concept of God is a pagan Triune deity and not the One God worshiped by Jesus and his immediate followers. And incidentally, if Jesus is God, then to whom was he praying to? Himself? Jesus never preached the Trinity and he never believed in it. This is yet another proof of pagan influence that has corrupted your faith. Your knowledge of the so-called satanic verses is equally pathetic. Why not broaden your mind?

[LLiimmzz]

@zorin85 When i said go ask 5 different imams so it at you own risk lol i dont want you to get disowned by family for being to inquisitive. But see how meny different answers you will get. I can guarantee my knowledge satanic verses are superior to yours. A tip for the future find a different word you use "pathetic" to much and for no reason. I hope i have given you something to think about i can truly say you haven't. God Bless you. Jesus Is LORD whether you like it or not.

[zorin85]

@LLiimmzz: As an ex-Christian, why should I worry about being disowned as my whole family (including the pastor in our parish) have embraced Islam? It is you who should be worried about that once you've decided to turn to the true faith of Jesus. Your knowledge of Islam is pretty shallow which is quite typical of Christians but you're too proud to admit it. Not a very Christian character, is it? Just another blind, mindless follower. Tragic. Since you ARE pathetic, that word fits you real nice.

[LLiimmzz]

@zorin85 from the bottom of my heart i am not aloud to swear on to Gods name but let me yes be a yes and my no be a no when you said you were an ex- christian i sincerely felt sorry for you. And i pray that the Lord will return you to the right path. I do this debating thing for fun but the main reason is to save souls. And with all the argument i hope we can put differences aside. if you do have any sincere questions you can message me and I'll try my best with wisdom from God to answer. :)

[zorin85]

@LLiimmzz: Sorry for me? How deeply touching. Rather, I'd prefer you be sorry for your misguided soul and your fellow co-worshipers who continue to believe in a pagan myth rather than the true teachings of Jesus which you've neglected. You may debate for fun but for me it is serious business. I would appreciate your gesture but I find it hard to believe in your God-inspired wisdom as your mind is so badly corrupted by prejudice, ignorance and typical stereotype on Islam. How r u gonna help me?

[minute1981]

:)

IT IS polytheism.

[anbulj82]

O.K i get what are you saying BUT why are you attacking those people ARN'T they good role models for others. They are famouse people who made alot of people thinking "Why did they go into that path?" they may be the first step to others road towards ALHAQ Islam. Aslam Alekom

[AlRasuwl]

To believe the Quran is the word of God you have to ignore obvious errors. Typically I find that if you have to "imagine" an answer to a question to make the problem go away then you are just deluding yourself, and yet it seems that this happens quite a lot in Islam.

[ouse80]

salma alykom bro

I agree with you, God bless you

[falcon02012]

[30] The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Al-Masih the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

[SalamaNafisa23]

I don't get It Are you Against Joshua evans or for Him-or you just think he need to do more research--cause personaally i think joshua evans is doing a fine job with his teaching of islam

[MoShow3000]

good video brother.

alot of haters will "TRY" to disprove islam but never will

it is impossible to disprove Allah/Gods Words.

Brother ignore the haters, there will always be hater.

at the end of the day you, me, everyone will answer to the creator ALLAH/GOD NO ONE ELSE!!

PEACE TO ALL

[mmod9301]

i may love you... thank you for clarifying many of dr oakley's misconceptions...

[redman4853]

Trinity concept is ALL OVER the OT! Look at Gen 19:24 for example. U can get the Hebrew or any other Jews writings! IT IS THERE. Here we have proof that God can be in more than one place at one time. This is proof that it is not taken from Jewish or CHristian doctrine, but HEBREW!

[Ousias1]

Yes, for a good article on Genesis 19 and the Trinity, see here: answering-islam(dot)org/author­s/rogers/genesis_19_24_trinita­rian(dot)html

Of course you have to replace the "(dot)", both times it appears, with a "."

[Ousias1]

You also have to remove some of the spaces between some of the words.

[redman4853]

The Host seems to be frighten! Sad day for muslims

[SUSTAIN22]

once again they are going by history and not by what is written in books which are their own books, why because Christianity contradicts itself. Stop putting words in Jesus mouth he never said I am God or son of God, period.

[FccB24]

But you leave the other things aside? Why did He forgive sin and why did people worship Him? I think Jacob worshiped an angel and the angel told him not to do so.. then why did people worship Jesus? And, who did Abraham eat with in Genesis 18?

[lahridon2000]

The proof Jesus is God is simple - he resurrected himself from the dead. This has alway been the simple claim of Christianity which subsequently makes it the easiest of Worldviews to disprove - produce the bones/body of Jesus of Nazareth - the pharisees and Romans anticipated this claim of resurection even before they sent him to his death - they guarded the tomb with Roman soldiers to stop anyone from stealing the body - where is it ? I will tell you - HE LIVES thus you will not find it

[FccB24]

Idolizing I suppose? Jesus is God, there is no OTHER part.. 1 Timothy 3:16? Christianity is Monotheism. The difference is My LORD actually made himself known and gave proof that He forgave OUR sins. Remember, the price of sin is death, ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SIN, JESUS MY LORD AND SAVIOR! Ahh so simple and pure. Repent! There is a prophecy Islam fulfills (srry i forgot da verse) but it says that people give Jesus another position. REPENT OR SUFFER! GOD LOVES YOU!

[Phil2daJohnson]

Surah 5:116 and so on.

Funny how Islam takes a Catholic View?

[5:116] GOD will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside GOD?' " He will say, "Be You glorified. I could not utter what was not right. Had I said it, You already would have known it. You know my thoughts, and I do not know Your thoughts. You know all the secrets.

[mohamed1234657]

thes verses explain exactly how the infant are created. and u know very well that is also wat sience says, this has been shown by god in quran 1500 years ago where people knew nothing about these modern scitific facts. SO IF U TELL ME NOW QURAN IS NOT FROM GOD. I CAN GIVE U MORE THERE ARE THOUSAND OF EXAMPLES. PLS GO READ THE QURAN. :)

[FccB24]

God can make a mistake in the quran can he now?

[mohamed1234657]

haha my dear freind go read scientific books or just pick up the phone and ask your doctor wat is created first bones or flesh. 2 people did not have that knowlege 1500 years ago if u have any historical prove of that than please let me know.3 the prophet mohamed did not go to school and wasn t a scientist so he could not know these thinks except from god. so u can try again but still Quran is from God. and u have to belive what god says about christians and his prophet Jesus.

[FccB24]

It's obvious you did not read Daniel or Isaiah. Jesus died to collect all the OT saints from paradise to bring them to Heaven and start the Kingdom in Heaven and die for our sins. Now the Kingdom will be on Earth. That verse is wrong in every way. God's covenant was PROMISED to ISAAC, Abraham's only REAL son in God's eyes.

[mohamed1234657]

sory but which verse are u talking about?

[FccB24]

The birth. It doesn't matter if there was no knowledge 1500 + years ago... doesn't get you to Heaven. Prophecies that Jesus fulfilled are impossible to fulfill in a 1000000000000000+ years.

[mohamed1234657]

Hey u missed the point, i didn t say that it will get u to heaven. it just prooves that Quran is from God, and u say the verse is wrong tha u need to study more about biology. 2nd We as muslim that Jesus had no prophecies we love Jesus as one of gods prophets but not as GOD.

[mohamed1234657]

2nd We as muslims don t say that Jesus has no prophecies, he did have like other prophets did too, but that doesn t make them GOD

[FccB24]

It does. That's the reason he died on the cross. HE CLAIMED TO BE GOD. lol. His whole purpose was to save sinners and to collect the OT saints in Paradise.

[mohamed1234657]

1st show me 1 verse from the bible where Jesus said I AM YOUR GOD WORSHIP ME.

2, the quran is right. the bones(primitive SKELETON) are developed

[FccB24]

Tell me why people worshiped Jesus and why Jesus forgave sin? Jesus death is a historic fact.

[FccB24]

My point is you claim that your book is perfect but just from that verse it isn't. Embryology specifically points out that the fetus creates the flesh first than the bones grow inside it. It is fact that there were Greek physicians that taught in Mohammed's era, not surprising. To support the Bible, thousands of the NT text have been found in Greek and have been compared to todays text, 99.5% the same.. differences are that words like "thee" etc. were added (old english).

[mohamed1234657]

before the flesh(musle mass). watch this video: fetal development now if u don t belive it than u have a problem with science not with quran

[FccB24]

One video doesn't help, doesn't fix fact. Jesus doesn't ask for worship but his believers worship him but Jesus always compares himself to God. John 14:9 (King James Version) 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

[FccB24]

John 10:33 says, " The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, Makest Thyself God."

[FccB24]

1 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version) 16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

[FccB24]

"Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him." -Matthew 20:20

"And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him." -Matthew 28:9

[mohamed1234657]

as long as Jesus him self did not say I am God Worship me it doen t matter if people did worship him he did not ask them to do so.

Allah is not a stone and not a moon, you references are wrong

[FccB24]

John 14:9 is clear enough Jesus reffered to himself as the Father, meaning worship is demanded. Just because he doesn't meet your needs lol. How about the promise to Abraham about Isaac? How he PROMISED his covenant through him, huh? God doesn't lie.

[FccB24]

There is waay more verses like these but I want to here what you think of these first. Believe me on this.. before Islam Mohammed area worshiped a black stone moon God named Allah... funny how Islam has a black stone and a God named Allah. Pagan Arabs? Of course!

[mohamed1234657]

One video doesn't help: lol so how many video s and books and scientists u need to belive science????? regardig the verses I m sory to disapoint u but it proves nothing

[FccB24]

You look at the ratio... and it proves your so called Holy book is corrupt. There were Greek physicians in Mohammed's time with similar or exact knowledge.

[mohamed1234657]

Yes it is true that Arabs worshiped Stones which were in KABAA the name of there Gods were ALATY, ALOZA and HOBAL not ALLAH and Mohamed destryed them all. u are looking in christian references which are total lies

[FccB24]

My exact point, you need the facts. There I learned something but the chances of having nearly the same traditions are amazing.

[mohamed1234657]

u want an other proof here u go:

Quran.[21:30] Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe? .

doesnt it remind u something? YES THE BIG BANG. JUST LET ME KNO IF YOU WANT MORE QURAN IS FULL OF THESE THINGS. ALLAHO AKBAR

[mohamed1234657]

[51:47] We constructed the sky with our hands, and we will continue to expand it.

DOESN T IT REMIND U SOMETHING ? YEST THE EXPANTION OF THE UNIVERS. CONCLUSION QURAN PROVED THAT IT IS FROM GOD SO WHATEVER IT SAYS IS FROM GOD ALL OF US SHOULD BELIVE IT, EXCEPT IF U DON T  BELIVE IN GOD, ITS UP TO U.

[FccB24]

Genesis is just more spectacular... Actually talks about beings before humans which ties into todays stories about the illuminati etc. Once again islam is a copy of judaism with more logic, less life saving doctrine.

[mohamed1234657]

23:12] We created the human being from a certain kind of mud.

[23:13] Subsequently, we reproduced him from a tiny drop, that is placed into a well protected repository.

[23:14] Then we developed the drop into a hanging (embryo), then developed the hanging (embryo) into a bite-size (fetus), then created the bite-size (fetus) into bones, then covered the bones with flesh. We thus produce a new creature. Most blessed is GOD, the best Creator.

[mohamed1234657]

no my dear i am not ignoring it

i just don t belive it. I would say Jesus came to earth and ate. Jesus claimed to be King of Jews. well the world king as per i know doesn mean GOD in the disctionary.

u say there is no proof that quran is from God well i will give u proof and there are too many

[FccB24]

King of the Jews? It's not a blasphemy to say your a King... but it's a blasphemy to claim that your God, the reason why Jesus was crucified. HAHAHA 23:14 has a BIG problem... the flesh doesn't grow over the bones,bones develop after like 3 weeks of the fetus. Oh well for that proof from God because IT'S FALSE!!! Keep in mind the time of when the quran was written, there was obviously people with knowledge. The Bible talks about the earth being a sphere in the OLD TESTAMENT, :)Job 26:10

[mohamed1234657]

bones develop after like 3 weeks of the fetus. oh YES ABSULTLY RIGHT, READ QURAN.: ..then developed the hanging (embryo) into a bite-size (fetus), then created the bite-size (fetus) into bones.

where is the problem?

[FccB24]

First of all the fetus develops the flesh and organs than bones, spine specifically. So that verse is wrong meaning there's an error in the quran meaning it is not perfect. Secondly, all your verses can be logically found easily in Genesis -.- The error of birth already corrupts the quran since it isnt perfect. Let me tell you why Gods manifestation had to die. God forgave our sins right, just like how I would forgive you if you didnt pay something you owe me. Continued..

[FccB24]

Thing is sombody has to pay the price of sin which is death. God will not sacrifice a child to benefit others and will not accept any other blood sacrfice befause its dirty to his eyes and a killer can go to heaven in that case. So God sent himself in flesh to pay the price of sin for us because he forgives us and his blood is pure and sinless not forgetting he defeats sin. See, Gods so graceful and loving that he is willing to give us another chance into heaven. Continued..

[FccB24]

Now, whoever doesnt accept Jesus as Lord and Savior is hell worthy because God only died for those who accepted this gift. Think about it, God forgives you but you dont accept it, pretty stupid. See with Allah there is no atonement, meaning you go to heaven by doing deeds. That is wrong doctrine, God accepts those who have faith in him and those who accepts his gift, no extra work needed.the whole point of God dying is that he payed the price instead of you paying it. Allah isnt loving like JC.

[mohamed1234657]

Once again islam is a copy of judaism with more logic. I must agree witj you on this THANKS GOD! ISLAM came to confirm Judaisn and Christianity, correct them and give them MORE LOGIC, as . u said it yourself thank you:)

[FccB24]

Todays Judaism is satanic.... AND you totally ignored the fact that a verse you provided was incorrect. Christianity is what Judaism is supposed to be, how can Islam correct Christianity then? Islam is moving two steps back. Your God is not as graceful as my God, If your God did not die in the flesh, that means he either is disobeying his law or not forgiving your sin lol.

[FccB24]

I hope your able to still reply.

[FccB24]

hi?

[mohamed1234657]

now if u tell me that this is wrong. i would supose that u belive that GOd is wrong or quran is writen by man. in the scond case it will be very easy to prove that it can not be writen by man. so don t try ;)

[FccB24]

PLUS your still ignoring the fact in Gen. 18 GOD came to earth and ate!!!!

[mohamed1234657]

..as well as those who did not, "Would you submit?" If they submit, then they have been guided, but if they turn away, your sole mission is to deliver this message. GOD is Seer of all people.

[3:21] Those who have rejected GOD's revelations, and killed the prophets unjustly, and killed those who advocated justice among the people, promise them a painful retribution.

[mohamed1234657]

Quran:3:19] The only religion approved by GOD is "Submission". Ironically, those who have received the scripture are the ones who dispute this fact, despite the knowledge they have received, due to jealousy. For such rejectors of GOD's revelations, GOD is most strict in reckoning.

[3:20] If they argue with you, then say, "I have simply submitted myself to GOD; I and those who follow me." You shall proclaim to those who received the scripture,...

[Here4Yeshua]

OK removing my hands from my eyes, Let me look...yep its Historical fact Jesus died on the cross.

Your right its simple...

You call upon the infinite nature of God to argue against Christians. You say, you cant explain God, therefore your wrong I'm right.

I say, As soon as someone says they understand the nature of God you know they don't have the real one.

I'll go back to worshiping Jesus now thank you...

Good Job showing people Allah can fit into the finite mind of man.

[MBI3030]

Jesus is not the Father. He is the Son. Therefore just by that statement only refutes Islam. Why? Jesus calls Himself the FINAL revelation of God as His SON.

[MBI3030]

the whole Mohmmad Ali is just pointing out fallacies in certain arguments. He did not say all muslims do this.

[MBI3030]

I am a former muslim.

[FccB24]

Sorry for the double post... but the funny thing is that Muslims tell what God can do. Your saying God can listen to billions of prayers at once but can't manifest himself into the flesh?

[FccB24]

lol Islam is a copy of Judaism that bashes itself. Muslims say they look at the OT for guidance but they bas many laws. The Savior in the OT is Jesus and He finished God's job! Sorry Islam is a cult created by the Illuminati. 1 Timothy 3:16 is very clear Jesus is God!

[mohamed1234657]

1 Timothy 3:16 is very clear Jesus is god.

sory but it proves nothing. i can get u many verses from the

Quran that says he is not god and it is clear too. so where is the prove that Timothy is right and the bible was not changed by cristians? it is a question of what u belive there are no proves

[FccB24]

Um, same thing in Hebrew. Get yourself a study Bible and then talk... prove that it was changed by Christians lol. Plus to make my point stronger... Jesus forgave sin and people including his 12 disciples worshiped him... you can't worship angels. Plus in Islam your prophets are perfect... LOL Moses and all major prophets were robbers, murderers, and sinners in general. Jesus finished God's work and the law of sacrificing is abolished, YOU NEED JESUS!!!

[mohamed1234657]

1.Jesus finished God's work : u see now u r saying that Jesus is not god .

2. Moses and all major prophets were robbers; u have no prove of that the prophets never been like that.

[FccB24]

PLUS!! Read Genesis 18... Abraham fed the LORD!! Praise the Lord, His word is so clear! Meaning the Lord (in manifestation straight from Heaven) was also MAN!

[FccB24]

Plus, God chose ISAAC not ISHMAEL to lead the religion... meaning Gods religion came from the Jews!!! Problem is the Jews did not follow the Christ and now they're a satanic cult. The OT talks about a coming Christ to save us, that's Jesus. You know Jesus was special but he's just a prophet to you, sad. Islam is just an Arabic version Judaism, copy cats.

[mohamed1234657]

wrong! islam came to complete the right judaism and christianism and correct the wrong thinks. muslims belives in all prophets including Jesus and come to suport what they broth to humanity cause at the end god is one for all of us but the problem is that Jews and Christians did not follow there own religion as it should be they have changed it and interpreted it the way they wanted it to be not how god wants it,

[FccB24]

You mean just the Jews because Christians are doing the right thing lol. I don't think you understand Christianity, it's as simple as believing Jesus is God, nothing more. Christianity is the true Judaism. Jesus finished God's work... nothing to be deleted or ADDED to the Bible meaning the quran's a no no. Islam and any other source that rejects Jesus is known as Anti-Christ lol. Thing is your savior is my anti-Christ. Jesus comes after that savior figure, think about it, makes total sense.

[mohamed1234657]

I don t think u understand islam either. u keep saying that Jesus finished God s work. do u know wat it means? it means simply that Jesus is not God. anti-christ lol if islam was anti-christ as u say. why god will order muslims to belive in Jesus?

[FccB24]

That's the problem with muslims... Jesus is God's MANIFESTATION lol.

John 10:33 (King James Version) The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Jesus was stoned because He gave himself the title of GOD!!!!

Your last sentence is not clear... but here's my answer: denying Jesus as God is anti-Christ. Thats what your doing. We all deserve to go to hell right now, but God defeated that so that we..

[FccB24]

Do research on what your upcoming savior does on earth and compare it to what the Bible has to say... now it's more like Christianity correcting Islam because your savior follows alot of what the Bibles anti-Christ does. The Bible says more people will go to hell and Islam's going to be the biggest religion... what else is there to say? lol

[mohamed1234657]

you keep on telling me wat bible says. and can tell u wat quran says about that ;) ah ok u will say that quran means nothing because it is not from god. and I can prove u that it is from god. since quran is the last book sent by God I conclude that the humaity should folow the latest orders from God not the old ones which have been misinterpreted by man

[FccB24]

can go to Heaven. Jesus also died for US so that we can go to Heaven not based on our deeds/ religion but our faith in him. The quran is already wrong by fact since the prophets were perfect LMAO!!! Look at their lives and how they came to be..

[FccB24]

Prove it!!! The mouth talks but where's the facts? I know for a fact the Bible's slowly being changed to worship falsely.. but God is graceful and there's still the Hebrew Bible. You can't use the quran for fact because the Bible out dates it by more than 2 thousand years. It's like using the book of mormon to disprove Jesus LOOL. AND from what your saying... the Mormons should be the right ones since their book only came out a hundred years ago or so.

[FccB24]

Prove your point HISTORICALLY!!!! not with the quran.. that's just silly beyond belief.

[mohamed1234657]

yes exactly u said it your self the mouth talks but there are no facts. can you prove your case without the bible? ofcaurse not. the Mormons cant prove that their book is from God. but I can prove that quran is from GOD 200% wich lead to the fact that we have to belive that what ever it says is true including Jesus is not GOD

[FccB24]

lol It's historical fact Jesus claimed to be the King of the Jews.. meaning GOD, hello!!! That was blasphemy to the Jews. Your contradicting your point of RECENT LAWS from God etc. It's funny how your giving verses... no proof from God. My God came down to earth to finish, confirm, spread His Word to the people. Submission? John 3:16? lol? Christianity is also submitting to God. Christianity is not a religion.. for works can't get you to Heaven but a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP!

[FccB24]

AND your ignoring the fact the Lord walked on earth, Genesis 18... Old Testament. AND that God blessed Isaac NOT Ishmael (Arabs). God doesn't make mistakes.

[FccB24]

lol Islam is a copy of Judaism that bashes itself. Muslims say they look at the OT for guidance but they bas many laws. The Savior in the OT is Jesus and He finished God's job! Sorry Islam is a cult created by the Illuminati. 1 Timothy 3:16 is very clear Jesus is God! Amen!

[greykode]

To Murlixin

Christians are the last ones to argue about blind faith.

[haqseeker]

waalikom alsalam bro

beautiful dude

peace

[Murlixin]

rofl more lies from islam hindus believe in MILLIONS OF GODS YOU LIAR. you will answer to the true god some day.

[Murlixin]

jesus is god in mark and matthew

[Murlixin]

the quran being preserved is pure blind faith

[zizo1407777]

salamo alekom....if jesus was god as u claim..then who was he praying to???would god pray to himself???just wondering ^o)