Hey, you know what opened my eyes and took me out of my confusion? The video that my student C. Chin had documented at your Dojo when I gave a seminar several years ago..... You are right, YOU SHOULD "leave it here".......
In the Meibukan system, both Geki Sai kata have the 45 deg. angles in the closing movements. I like these forms much better this way, helps the younger students learn to apply angulation and extrapolation of bunkai.
That is just how the word "number," when counting things, is said in Japanese.., so you are saying Geksai One and we say Geki Sai Number One...not a big deal...and the spelling is a little off on GEKI SAI. However, is all that the really important stuff? Nope :) .
History is that Geikisai Dai Ichi is for all styles that are linear with primary long stances, closed hands techniques such as Shurei-Ryus. Gekisai Dai Ni is primary for Goju-Ryu. Grand Master Chojun Miyagi wanted to introduce Kara-Te to the school system in Okinawa and he was hoping these two Katas will do it..... Of course politics prevailed so it never happened, so it just becamed part of the stable of the original Goju-Ryu katas making in a total of 12 Original Miyagi Goju-Ryu Katas.
45 degrees is the orginal way the kata was performed before they changed it to straight line front direct angle due to space occupied by the 45 degrees.
Toguchi DID do it that way. Check his Bunkais and Kiso Kumites. You are now a Shorei-Kan expert? BTW, you can't even stand up to Urban's students. Do come to NYC and prove your worthiness. You had nothing when I knew you back then; you most likely have nothing now and you will never mount to anything in the arts except being deceitful and being a CRIPPLE.
Oh yes, do tell the world how a layman came to your Dojo and fell on your leg to make you a cripple! Speaking about wife and kids, I feel sorry for yours. I don't challenge cripples or handicappers....... And yes you are a "cripple" in body, beside in your mind and spirit and all you have managed to do in the martial art world is confuse everyone with your nonsense....
By that argument, gekkisai dai ni should have been changed to straight-line too, and Seiyunchin, Shisochin, Kururunfa, Sanseru....and those Shotokan katas with long stances etc in Japan gosh THEY must have been expensive!! Sorry, its a naf explanation.
Interesting, definitely different from how the Jundokan does it. Sanchin stance on the blocks and punches not that deep, the double punches at the end done to the front.
Goju-Kai U.S.A. players perform this in a similar fashion. Differences: 1) The first three moves progress from sanchin dachi to zenkutsu dachi to shiko dachi. 2) The second step, which is repeated to the other direction on the fifth step, the seiken-zuki goes to upper place, not middle. 3) The kiai move with the shuto uchi is done in sanchin, not renoji dachi. 4) The 45 degree moves at the end are done with fast hand movement. 5) The final move is omitted.
nice...I think this is Akihito Yagi, eldest son of Meitatsu Yagi, Grandson of Meitoku Yagi of the Meibukan school of Goju. The only thing weird about this performance is in the Meibukan style the front stance and horse stance is usually done a lot shorter than what is performed in this vid.
In my opinion, the stances in the above form were executed in an exagerated manner: this can be done for many reasons, among them to train specific strengths and/or flexion, for asthetics (non-functional...), VERY specific applications, or as a matter of personal expression. True, the butsuri would normally dictate shorter and stronger stances, but in all, very good performance.
so I'm guessing you and NMCK both train Meibukan style...was wondering if any of you have watched the instructional DVDs Meitatsu Yagi and his son Akihiro Yagi made?
Hi, Openmind, Yes, I do train in Meibukan. I really like reading your posts by the way. Anyway. I lived in Okinawa for 12 years and know all of the Meibukan family. I saw the vids on my last visit (April 07): they looked great but VERY pricy...so I did not buy yet.
oh cool, thanks a lot. I believe the price of the whole DVD set is about $150CAN, which isn't too bad, but still an considerable investment. I was just curious if the DVDs included all the Goju and Meibukan katas and how much detail went into the explanation of them.
I wish I had a good answer for you about the content, sorry. If I had more money at the time, I would have bought them. The tapes are a permanent piece of our history and--in my opinion--are worth the investment.
As for Glimmerman, He is a dear friend and respected sempai of mine. He is a member of my branch dojo of the Meibukan and we train together as much as possible. I respect what he has to say and feel he would hold up the Meibukan name at any opportunity.
This is at the Meibukan Goju Ryu Hombu (main) Dojo in Okinawa, Japan. I believe (hard to see the face clearly) that the karate-ka is a grandson of Meitoku Yagi Dai Sensei (Now Passed-On Founder of Meibukan Goju Ryu). And yes, the kata is pretty good.
Compare Heian shodan of Shotokan to this. Very different styles in my opinion but I have respect for both :D 3rd dan Shotokan.
MultiZON123 1 month ago
Has anyone heard from Goju Master Paul Okami?
He disappeared and I cannot get in touch with him?
johnlcyborg 2 years ago
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glimmerman108 3 years ago
Hey, you know what opened my eyes and took me out of my confusion? The video that my student C. Chin had documented at your Dojo when I gave a seminar several years ago..... You are right, YOU SHOULD "leave it here".......
9loon 3 years ago
Pretty good I like how you do you last two moves at an 45 degree angle, not to many people teach it this way anymore.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
In the Meibukan system, both Geki Sai kata have the 45 deg. angles in the closing movements. I like these forms much better this way, helps the younger students learn to apply angulation and extrapolation of bunkai.
NMCK69 4 years ago
What is with the word Dai? Does Meibukan have a Sho version. I am simply used to calling it Geksai Ichi/Ni.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
That is just how the word "number," when counting things, is said in Japanese.., so you are saying Geksai One and we say Geki Sai Number One...not a big deal...and the spelling is a little off on GEKI SAI. However, is all that the really important stuff? Nope :) .
NMCK69 4 years ago
Thats right it is pretty meaningless, I was just wondering because in Shotokan they have Kata like Kanku Dai and Kanku Sho.
kirokyukan 4 years ago
History is that Geikisai Dai Ichi is for all styles that are linear with primary long stances, closed hands techniques such as Shurei-Ryus. Gekisai Dai Ni is primary for Goju-Ryu. Grand Master Chojun Miyagi wanted to introduce Kara-Te to the school system in Okinawa and he was hoping these two Katas will do it..... Of course politics prevailed so it never happened, so it just becamed part of the stable of the original Goju-Ryu katas making in a total of 12 Original Miyagi Goju-Ryu Katas.
9loon 4 years ago
45 degrees is the orginal way the kata was performed before they changed it to straight line front direct angle due to space occupied by the 45 degrees.
9loon 4 years ago
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glimmerman108 3 years ago
Toguchi DID do it that way. Check his Bunkais and Kiso Kumites. You are now a Shorei-Kan expert? BTW, you can't even stand up to Urban's students. Do come to NYC and prove your worthiness. You had nothing when I knew you back then; you most likely have nothing now and you will never mount to anything in the arts except being deceitful and being a CRIPPLE.
9loon 3 years ago
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glimmerman108 3 years ago
Oh yes, do tell the world how a layman came to your Dojo and fell on your leg to make you a cripple! Speaking about wife and kids, I feel sorry for yours. I don't challenge cripples or handicappers....... And yes you are a "cripple" in body, beside in your mind and spirit and all you have managed to do in the martial art world is confuse everyone with your nonsense....
9loon 3 years ago
By that argument, gekkisai dai ni should have been changed to straight-line too, and Seiyunchin, Shisochin, Kururunfa, Sanseru....and those Shotokan katas with long stances etc in Japan gosh THEY must have been expensive!! Sorry, its a naf explanation.
Pecherin72 3 years ago
de szar nálunk nem is ilyenek a katák
marcipan91 4 years ago
ken shamrock or matt serra would probly kick his ass, big time. they really know how to take a hit he doesn't
natix66 4 years ago
Natix
That dumb comment is from a 16 year old, right?
cooks2006 4 years ago
Hope so...but the silly comments seem to go on and on. Take the good with the bad I suppose.
NMCK69 4 years ago
i got green belt in goju ryu and tat kata is what we learn when we got like yellow
sweffe96 4 years ago
That is a nice looking dojo
kirokukan 4 years ago
Interesting, definitely different from how the Jundokan does it. Sanchin stance on the blocks and punches not that deep, the double punches at the end done to the front.
chookraffle 4 years ago
IOGKF performs han zenkutsu dachi in the first 2 oi tsuki.
NewEnglandBudo 3 years ago
Goju-Kai U.S.A. players perform this in a similar fashion. Differences: 1) The first three moves progress from sanchin dachi to zenkutsu dachi to shiko dachi. 2) The second step, which is repeated to the other direction on the fifth step, the seiken-zuki goes to upper place, not middle. 3) The kiai move with the shuto uchi is done in sanchin, not renoji dachi. 4) The 45 degree moves at the end are done with fast hand movement. 5) The final move is omitted.
DaveSmeds 3 years ago
nice...I think this is Akihito Yagi, eldest son of Meitatsu Yagi, Grandson of Meitoku Yagi of the Meibukan school of Goju. The only thing weird about this performance is in the Meibukan style the front stance and horse stance is usually done a lot shorter than what is performed in this vid.
openmindedproduction 5 years ago
I was thinking the exact same thing about the stances.
NMCK69 what say you?
glimmerman108 4 years ago
In my opinion, the stances in the above form were executed in an exagerated manner: this can be done for many reasons, among them to train specific strengths and/or flexion, for asthetics (non-functional...), VERY specific applications, or as a matter of personal expression. True, the butsuri would normally dictate shorter and stronger stances, but in all, very good performance.
NMCK69 4 years ago
so I'm guessing you and NMCK both train Meibukan style...was wondering if any of you have watched the instructional DVDs Meitatsu Yagi and his son Akihiro Yagi made?
openmindedproduction 4 years ago
Hi, Openmind, Yes, I do train in Meibukan. I really like reading your posts by the way. Anyway. I lived in Okinawa for 12 years and know all of the Meibukan family. I saw the vids on my last visit (April 07): they looked great but VERY pricy...so I did not buy yet.
NMCK69 4 years ago
oh cool, thanks a lot. I believe the price of the whole DVD set is about $150CAN, which isn't too bad, but still an considerable investment. I was just curious if the DVDs included all the Goju and Meibukan katas and how much detail went into the explanation of them.
openmindedproduction 4 years ago
I wish I had a good answer for you about the content, sorry. If I had more money at the time, I would have bought them. The tapes are a permanent piece of our history and--in my opinion--are worth the investment.
NMCK69 4 years ago
As for Glimmerman, He is a dear friend and respected sempai of mine. He is a member of my branch dojo of the Meibukan and we train together as much as possible. I respect what he has to say and feel he would hold up the Meibukan name at any opportunity.
NMCK69 4 years ago
This is at the Meibukan Goju Ryu Hombu (main) Dojo in Okinawa, Japan. I believe (hard to see the face clearly) that the karate-ka is a grandson of Meitoku Yagi Dai Sensei (Now Passed-On Founder of Meibukan Goju Ryu). And yes, the kata is pretty good.
NMCK69 5 years ago
Hey Bro. Let's talk ASAP. Miss ya.
glimmerman108 5 years ago
Hey bro--See openmindedproduction comment below, and my reply. I think you'd be the best to ask, so what say you re: stances?
glimmerman108 4 years ago
Great performance. Could you tell who the karateka is and what dojo he trains in?
malasangre 5 years ago