Anton bit ov a random question but u mite know does suge talk to any ov his ex goons aka the bloods he used as body gaurds for deathrowww.. I know buntry n herion are dead n tray neckbone big rock stil livin i ask cause i cant see suge getting along with tray seein as he was the one to get tupac to hit orlando ...
what i will say though... this will fail if puffy doesnt even get brought in over what kading is saying. if that doesnt happen then that alone proves this is bullshit. when i see puffy arrested or least brought in for this then ok.
.... But she dosnt i know about her filing a lawsuit againest orlando, monk but most ppl dnt know that but part from that she doesnt say a word which leds to ppl making these daft thoerys .. Like i watched wen she went on tv n asked who killed tupac she repiled "i dnt care it wont bring him back" fair enough it wont bring him back but just like we know ppl are stil alive involoved so she doesnt care ppl involoved in murders are stil walking free...something isnt right...she lives in a box
@straighton4u...actully 2 ov the ppl in the white cad are stil alive n welll if we take kading completly accurte (keffe d,t-brown) so they shud be sent to jail for life period suprised no bloods have tryed to kill them both....the thing is about this bullshit suge knight killed tupac thoery ... I respect tupacs mam afeni but had she went on tv n said yes crips killed my son or orlando did it etc then me personally feel 80% ov fans would take that seen as its pacs mam........
It's so amazing how someone gets those pictures and video of tupac and suge in their car at the stop light but noooo pictures or video of the shooting.. wow
Its soooo ironic how the only eye witness which was a member of tupac's group riding behind him in one of the car's magically gets shot and killed days later after the incident.
The thing is... I thought u were serious for a moment, until I heard u gobble every word that Mr. Kading gave you. No offense, but black people don't believe the police. I understand u were happy 2 get the interview, but u ate it. Russell Poole was sabotaged becuz he went against his brethren police officers and exposed that they were involved. Now u believe this cop with these bogus tales similar to Chuck Phillips, but he's a cop so u think he has inside info. Were is the WMD???? No evidence
hey anton i had you as a friend on here for awhile bro. i got alot of love for ya keep doing what you do. but all im saying is no matter what kading says. i still think its kinda of funny man just my opinion, and im a stick to it untile we really find justice, and everything really comes out. and people are actually coming out admittinng stuff.
hey anton i had you as a friend on here for awhile bro. i got alot of love for ya keep doing what you do. but all im saying is no matter what kading says. i still think its kinda of funny man just my opinion, and im a stick to it untile we really find justice, and everything really comes out. and people are actually coming out admittinng stuff.
im a say this i luv pac got respect for every one, and there opinion. but im a say this its just to funny for orlando anderson. to have been in the casino by himself just after the fight. looking like he is ploting and going on with a plan. to know where excatly 2pac is going to be in that big ass casino. come on man suge know he had some to do with that. i know puff did but also suge.
Point blank!!! Mr. Greg Kading is doing everything that he can to excuse the Police dept. because of the lawsuits that would cost the city Hundreds of Millions of dollars. I've never seen a cop try so hard to discredit a witness that was present at a murder. He says that Eugene shouldn't carry any merit?? WTF??
@AntonBatey U know the evidence better then most people on earth. The only ones that know more about this stuff did the shooting. Now just think about all we know, and listen to this cop discredit everything that implicates the police. Everything!! Chuck Phillips tried to do the same thing with his tales becuz of that lawsuit. Anton man, the authorities are not telling you the full truth brother. He even stains Russel Peters. Why?? becuz he was willing 2 expose that fellow COPS were involved.
@AntonBatey Look at the 10 min security footage from the casino. They were watching his every move. He was under heavy surveillance the whole time. He was a threat in 96 rolling with Deathrow. Look at the 8 second last footage of him standing with some girls with the green tank and shorts. He was calm. Look at his last photo, he was calm and worried. Look at Suge and his demeanor, he was calm and looking st8 ahead. The only thing was maybe loud music. They werent rowdy drawing attention
That photo was taken while they were being pulled over by the police, from several accounts. I am not a mindreader, so speculating on what Suge Knight or Tupac were “reeeeally” thinking is a fruitless debate. I hear kids who think Tupac is alive play the mindreader game about that photo too, saying they look nervous because they’re about to fake a death or some childish theory.
Also, from all accounts, they were rowdy as fuck that night.
@AntonBatey The bike cops stopping them was to mark them and get the shooters in place. Suge and Pac were the being watched by the most powerful U.S. agencies!! His every move. Who had the most the gain?? They wiped out the most powerful black owned company. Took out the most influential figure of our time that came from a Panther background. Seized all property and Masters to music that is worth a fortune. And u believe they wouldn't lock up some gangbangers if they really did it?? Its Deeper
@AntonBatey I've heard u press every person you've interviewed. U knew his story about Big was weird and u left it alone and ate his story up. If u really believe that gangbangers did this and they let them go, then u believe the JFK tale. I'll say this... few alive knows the truth. But I know that whatever happened that night, the authorities were watching and saw everything. He was public enemy #1 in 96. They saw what happended to Big 2. These people were watching their every move home boy!!!
@AntonBatey Forget about bike cops, thats speculation. But think for a minute... Why did he discredit everything that would harm the city of Nevada and California??? Why did he discredit valid info from Eugene, Russell Peters?? Why did he say David Mack and Perez had no connection what so ever? Ladd never said anything as absurd as the Biggie story Kading gave. "Pouchie"?? Becuz it gets people off police officers and gets u off path to more low level gangmembers that had nothing to do with it
@AntonBatey I respect the fact that your informative and I'll continue to listen to your interviews on the matter. But your starting to get too comfortable with what the "Powers" are telling you. Your starting to close your mind and accept the stories of people that have so much to hide. You'll never see the real FBI file. If Orlando Anderson and Keffe D or whoever really did it, then their black ass would be locked up by Dec.1996 cased closed!! U don't understand.
@tommykreed Actually the reason why Orlando Anderson could not be put in jail is because he now is deceased as well. Shot and killed at a carwash shootout in Compton.
@AntonBatey No offense, but if you want to believe this white police officer from a known scandal ridden dept from Los Angles, then I guess brother. Rampart isn't no joke. He mixed facts with his own spin to vindicate his fellow boys in blue!! U know that Biggie story isn't true. And u think Puffy put a hit on Suge and Pac?? Then the crips don't care about the money when they seen Puffy and Big at the party??? He just left out the bullshit were Big gave the crips a gun at the hotel in Vegas.
@AntonBatey Sorry, I don't know why I keep calling him Russell Peters. But u know what I mean. Keep up the investigtion becuz we're getting close. Your doing more than a lot of people when it comes to digging for facts. Just don't stop. I'll be watching close and I'll be here for a good argument. Thats the only way this unsolved mystery won't die. I'm afraid that we wont know until most involved are dead and gone. And that might include ourselves. But until then, lets keep asking questions.
I don't have time to go over everything here in the text, I have went over it and refuted all the conspiracy theories the past few years. If you would like to debate the issue, leav me your contact information and we can set up a recorded debate. Take care.
Kevin Hackie confirms that the Feds/FBI were watching both the Tupac and Biggie murders. He also says that the FBI took photos and footage of the murders of Tupac and Big. Listen to the full 43 minute interview with Kevin Hackie at Bomb1st.com , The people at Bomb1st are real journalist. They bring the real and don't gobble nuts.
@AntonBatey Like I said, I've never heard anybody on this planet make such a bizarre excuse for David Mack and them. He said Mack didn't know Suge and never meet him. All evidence proofs otherwise. But Mr. Kading has to remove the police from the picture becuz of the $400 Million!!! U even said it was the weirdest part of his book. He gives this big sob story about how Ms Wallace deserves more and she has been treated less then kind, but says that she has been "chasing a lie". Why?? $400 million
@AntonBatey He discredits Eugene's eye witness account becuz it was a year or so later that he spoke about it, and he might have seen the picture somewhere. In Biggie&Tupac, Eugene clearly says its the first time he has seen that picture and that nobody questioned him. But he takes the word from a felon in jail for life that will say anything to get out!!! Bizarre stories about Puffy that is not in his character.Suge's a goon n will have somebody punch Dre at Vibe awards but no mafia hits bro
This guy is a fraud ex-cop that is trying everything he can do to distance any suspicion from the Police. Notice how he makes it a point to protect the LVPD from several mistakes (taking care of the initial crime scene and questioning Kadafi). If gang members shot 2pac then the police would have no problem locking up some young black gangbangers. But they didn't. This fraud Greg Kading is no different then Chuck Phillips. Don't believe the hype. Let me listen to the rest now. To be continued...
@AntonBatey Even Cathy Scott in the interview you did with her explained how faulty the LVPD handled the shooting. The other officers u interviewed said the same with really incriminating their brothers in blue. If u ask me, the bike cops stopping them was on purpose in order to get the shooters in place. Think man, if it was some stupid ass black gangbangers they would have no problem locking them up. Pac/Suge were watched heavily. Peep the 10min security footage from the casino.
I didn’t get the feeling that Kading was justifying the actions of the LVOD, but offering an explanation that requires you to think of things from their perspective, which I get. Also, just about all the interviews I did explain why the LVPD didn’t prosecute this “stupid ass black gangbanger”. They didn’t have the interest or evidence to secure a conviction. Mostly interest for reasons explained.
@AntonBatey He went out of his way to protect the police in every instance. You even noticed how weird his story about the Biggie shooting was!!! Now all the sudden Eugene has no merit!!! And it was some nobody named "Pouchie"??? FOH!! He needs to make sure the Police are not implicated becuz of the $400 million dollar lawsuit that bankrupt California doesn't have. All the evidence says otherwise but he does the Chuck Phillips stuff to fool us. Don't fall for it man.
He clarified Gene Deal’s statements. Regarding Fouse being a “nobody”, not sure I understand that statement. Perhaps because most of have never heard of him prior to Kading’s book? Saying that Kading is protecting police because, according to you, they’re somehow in on the murders is baseless, I think. After over a decade, I’d like to see evidence implicating police.
Kirk burrows, former bad boy president also claims that puffy paid for the killing of Tupac and Suge, so that would seem to corroborate Keefe D's story, he made the claim back in 2003.
Hearing this interview is the closest person to getting the real truth out there on who killed both biggie n pac...shame really they were caught up in something fucked up.....r.i.p
@JKNEPPER11.... Agreed crips killed tupac,bloods killed biggie...while pac n biggie were bangin on wax as some would say there was a war that was sparked between bloods n crips in the background so if you think about it tupac was killed over a damm necklace.... Biggie simpley relailtion he basically walked into gettin killed if that makes sense by coming to l.a...badboy forgot how l.a streetdudes roll they simpley dnt give a fuck, me personally think greg kading after readin his book.........
Anton and everyone else. There comes a time in your life that you have to accept the truth. No need to fight or bring up theory's. The truth has been told, and whether you accept it or not, it is not my problem.
I sincerely hope that you and others call this a case closed. (Almost)
Frank Alexander is someone who's "closely involved" in the situation and he's implicated Suge Knight, should I believe him too. Every thing corroborates retaliation as the motive for 2pac's death. The pre-existing turf war with death row, someone getting their chain snatched, Tupac jumping someone with heavy affiliation to gang violence, and then the spike in gang violence after Tupac's death. All we have is hear say for any other implications.
And he replyed "i aint that powerful yet" now if that isnt playin with fire and he was on l.a turf i dnt know wat is... Then he laughs at the crowd wen hes booed wen he says " wat up cali" as if to say fuk yall n the fact he was chillin wid pacs killers keffe d , baby lane i think all ov it was too much..biggie wasnt innnocent in that beef at all its laughable to think he was..but... I dnt agree with your comment"props to suge for takin care ov him" no need for that bro dnt disrespect the dead.
@lakewayking23....altho i agree with the part you said big had it cumin...goin to l.a far to soon if that was me id ov waited a cool 2- 4 years til shit cooled down not 6 months..plus they goin on radio shows walkin round l.a like the new dons while pac is dead,suge in jail its basically like a spit to the face for west coast g"s..plus big was playin with fire goin on radio freestlying longkissgoodnight boarder line disses to pac and sway asked if he had anything to do with pacs death.....
Your comments were ad hominem attacks. I don’t tolerate that whether its against me or anyone else. And your latest comments, claiming that I “crave attention” because I, uh, make videos on subjects (??) is just another personal attack.
With that being said, you’re not to comment any more on my videos.
I think Tupac's erratic behavior got him killed. Nobody put a hit out on him and nobody was planted or any of that nonsense. Tupac got into a scrum with the wrong people and paid the price. Anderson was alleged in another murder as well if I'm not mistaken. I'd be willing to make million dollar bet Tupac's last words weren't promote world peace, it was get those N*ggas back.
@hawkindy Pac n suge wasnt the only ones that beat his ass that night, but they were the only ones that got hit..2 birds with one stone theory..revenge and the hit
I am in agreeance with you. I loved Pac and he is still my favourite rapper/entertainer to date but he had a real chip on his shoulder. The way he carried himself probably offended a lot of people and generally when people act like they can't be touched they end up being touched.
why did suge kill big when he knew the shooter was a crip and if he some how knew the crips knew badboy then why didnt he kill p diddy instead of biggie
..and make pac look like a paraniod manic... But pac was right puffy/badboy are the shadest crew in hiphop but noone wud listen he was right all along...pac thought puffy was involved in his 94 shooting he never mentions biggie n them just puffy its in that lost vibe interview on youtube...i beleive him hes a.complete snake
@ihateurfuckinface.... You have a good point suge paying.the killer for anyreason for that matter is tasteless n disrespectful as hell to tupac.... Acordin to.greg kading they.both were.at a meeting.sumwhere with there lawyers fuk if that was me been suge n.i was in the same room as.orlando id have his head on a stick.....as for bucky sorry i mean puffy wateva he wants to call himself biggest snake in hiphop shortly folowed by suge.... I hate how docs make puff n big look like angels ...
Another thing I wanted to mention about was what Greg Kading said about Puffy. Greg said he believes Puffy's "finger was on the trigger" at the nightclub shooting in NY, but it was proving in a court of law that it wasn't on the trigger, that in fact it was Shyne who did the shooting, granted he was shooting on Puffy's behalf, but Puff never shot a gun. And that's according to the dozens of witnesses that were there. So I'm not sure why Greg thinks Puffy was shooting up the place.
I didn’t intend to put words in your mouth. Based on my experience, anyone who claimed that Suge planted Anderson at the MGM did so to claim that Anderson was hired by Suge. Sorry for strawmanning you. The rest of what you said, I agree with. Knight should be ashamed to have dealt with Anderson after the shooting. Apparently, as Kading stated, Knight put finance above morality, which shouldn’t be that surprising.
Also ,I have trouble believing Puffy was down with the Crips in California. If that were the case then how come The Crips weren't there with Biggie when he went to Cali and E-40 tried to roll on him? I would think if Puffy had a connection with Crips in Cali they would in turn hold Biggie down while he was there. But every time Biggie and Puffy were in Cali they were never seen with Crips, and that's from ppl who seen them in Cali.
Like, he paid the killer money. I don't think it matters why he paid him money, just the fact that Suge gave him money bothers me,that doesn't bother other ppl? that Suge paid off the killer? The fact that he gave him money for any reason is messed up in my opinion. Why would Orlando even need the money if according to Mr. Kading Orlando received money from Puffy for killing Pac? So at one point in time Orlando Anderson received money from Puffy ,and received money from Suge? Weird.
I mean, it seems like Suge didn't care about 2pac that much, if he's willing to do a deal with the guy who killed his friend, and all most killed him. Greg Kading said, Suge knows who killed Pac, Orlando Anderson. So I don't understand morality how Suge can then make a deal with this guy? regardless of how much time you're facing how could you make a deal with the killer? I think it disrespects the memory of Pac, and shows that maybe Suge didn't care for Tupac as much as he said he did.
I mean, this is a guy (Orlando Anderson) who essentially tried to kill Suge knight, and supposedly did kill Suge Knight's so called "best friend" 2pac. And now all of a sudden they're working together? Like at what point in the street drama that was going on between the B&C did Suge call Orlando and say "look, you killed some of my friends, I killed some of your friends, but could you do me a really big favor and testify in my defense? I'll pay you".
So essentially what Greg Kading is saying is that Suge paid Orlando to testify. Suge knight paid Orlando Anderson to do something and he did it. So why is it so believable that Suge Knight could paid Orlando Anderson to do something like testify on his behalf, but it's not so believable that Suge Knight could pay him to do something else like, I don't know, stand around a casino lobby? Just saying.
So why is Suge Knight then working, or in this instance "paying money" to the guy who killed his top earner? (2pac) Why is he "paying money" to the guy who he's supposedly beefing with in the streets of Compton days after Pac's death? They're suppose to be enemies, but now all of a sudden Orlando is on Suge's side? taking money from him?
It's my understanding that Orlando Anderson did not directly testify for the defense in Suge knight's probation violation case, in other words he wasn't called to testify by Suge knight's defense team as a witness in Suge knight's defense. He was subpoenaed to testify by the prosecution in the case, but when on the stand he gave testimony that was in favor of Suge. Now, OA either said what he did because he's not a snitch and wasn't going to help the prosecution, or maybe he was paid off by Suge
No, he testified on behalf of Suge. Also, Mr. Kading explained why Suge paid Anderson. As far as Anderson being a "plant" or something, you're getting into the ridiculous Suge Knight - killed - Tupac theories, which have been refuted to death.
@AntonBatey So are you saying he wasn't subpoenaed by the prosecution? The prosecution was basically charging Suge because of his altercation with Orlando,but they didn't figure it was pertinent to their case to subpoena him?
I never said he was a plant,please don't put words in my mouth. I think you're smart enough to understand that I was merely suggesting that ppl didn't believe that Suge could of arranged Orlando's presents in Vegas, but he could arrange his presents in court?
@AntonBatey And yes he did explained why Suge paid him, because Suge didn't want to go to jail. That's obvious even without Kading's explanation. My point is the fact that he actually paid him, not why he paid him. I just find it weird that his so called enemy,would be so quick to jump to his defense,or that Sgue would even get his so called enemy to come to his defense. I think it shows that Suge and Orlando had some kind of relationship that didn't involve banging on each other.
If this so called hit had been out, why wasn't there an attempt on Suge's like for the 5-6 months Puffy supposedly put out this hit. Not only that, Keefe D claimed he saw and talked to Suge when Suge asked him how did he know Puffy.
And has there been any response to this accusation from Puffy? I did a quick google search and found nothing. Or is Puffy not even taking this seriously?
@stevebrizzle Puffy at the time said he never hired any known crip members as security. A Few years later Jimmy Henchmn admitted that they used crips as security.
(2 of 2) But I'm sceptical. What are the odds of Tupac, not only running into his would-be assassin's nephew, but also stomping him out? They've got to be pretty low. I'm inclined to believe that the shooting was simple retaliation for the beatdown that the Death Row crew dished out to Orlando, and that Keefe D is saying this in order to somehow mitigate the charges he is facing.
@stevebrizzle Yeah, the coincidences can be a little troubling, especially at first glance, but we gotta remember Suge and these Crips are from Compton and Compton is not a big city. So, it would not be a big stretch to believe that many of these guys know each on sight and that sooner or later they're gonna run into each other. The fact that Keefee D and Eric "Zip" Martin can easily be connected to Puffy Combs is the really troubling part. I'm sorry, but I have a problem with overlooking that.
@sigurjong Oh yeah, I agree it was a chance meeting between the Blood-affiliated Death Row entourage, and Southside Crips, but it didn't happen in Compton, did it. It happened in Las Vegas, on a fight night, when the city would have been teeming with people. What are the chances of running into your own assassin, in a city that was neither man's home, not knowing it's your assassin, but jumping him anyway? Again, I would have to say the chances are pretty low.
@stevebrizzle I disagree with that. It would've been much more of a stretch if they had ran into each other on any other night. Fight night = A lot of people at the exact same spot! You do understand that right? I myself have ran into several people I know from other cities at these type of events. Also, getting murdered by somebody you just punked is usually not something that should come off as a surprise to anyone lol. I really don't know where you're going with this.
@stevebrizzle I disagree with that. It would've been much more of a stretch if they had ran into each other on any other night. Fight night = A lot of people at the exact same spot! You do understand that right? I myself have ran into several people I know from other cities at these type of events. Also, getting murdered by somebody you just punked is usually not something that should come off as a surprise to anyone lol. I really don't know where you're going with this.
@sigurjong You haven't read my post correctly. If you had read it correctly, you would understand that I believe that Tupac's shooting was retaliation for Anderson's beatdown, and, as such, someone getting shot in these circumstances is NOT surprising. What IS surprising is the claim that the man Tupac chose to sucker punch, out of all the people in Vegas that night, just happened to be the nephew of a man that had made a deal to kill Tupac. I hope you're able to understand that now.
@stevebrizzle That sounds a little better. The way you wrote it initially didn't make any sense, but I'm glad you cleared this up. You were beginning to sound so ridiculous lol. I've also addressed this fact and YES if anything is amazing it is the fact Keefee D and Puffy had a relationship. And this is a fact! This is what makes Keefee D's claim all the more believable.
@sigurjong Don't say I sound ridiculous when you're the one who failed to understand my original message. It wasn't complicated, you just misread it. And I would hesitate to say that Keefe D and Puffy having a relationship is 'fact'; we don't know that for certain yet.
@stevebrizzle We do know that they know each other. Have you read Kading's book? Wow. You sir are an idiot. Not only do you use Have Gun Will Travel as a source for your beliefs, but you don't even know how to communicate properly. We're done here.
@sigurjong Don't embarrass yourself. You've proved you're the one who can't communicate properly by getting sore and namecalling. Anyway, back to the point. As a matter of fact, I haven't read Kading's book yet - I wasn't aware of it until AB posted this interview, but ordered a copy right after listening. Nevertheless, Puffy denies any involvement with the Crips and Kading himself says that Eric 'Zip' Martin acted as a 'conduit' between Puffy and Keefe D, limiting their interaction.
@stevebrizzle Add to this that Keefe D is a career criminal, which makes the credibility of his testimony questionable, and I think it is fair to say it is far from certain 'fact' yet that Puffy and Keefe D had any kind of 'relationship'.
@stevebrizzle Why don't we just drop it. I take responsibility for the name calling and I apologize for that. Listen, we all make mistakes and I honestly don't blame you for not being able to getting your point across properly at times. This case is a very deep matter and it's not always easy to remain clear when you have to limit yourself. Forget it. We got off the wrong foot.
@sigurjong I'm confident in my communication skills. May I kindly suggest that you read comments more carefully before replying to them. I accept your apology.
@stevebrizzle I read them carefully sir. Now may I kindly ask you to at least try to put a little more effort into the bullshit you are trying to deliver. That isn't too much to ask. Thank you for accepting my apology.
@stevebrizzle Now look who's sore. You need to check your sources before you draw any conclusions because if you don't you're bound to come up with some bullshit ideas about this case. I think few people have investigated it as thoroughly as Greg Kading and Cathy Scott have. Both of them have been able to put to rest a lot of the bullshit that's out there and so in many ways they have proven themselves as relatively healthy sources. Ronin Ro is a guy who went on tv and called HIMSELF stupid.
@sigurjong Not sore my friend, just weary of you. You still can't accept that you misread my post, can you? Wow, talk about insecure. That's ok though, no skin off my nose. I'd ask you which of my ideas you believe are 'bullshit' but I really don't care what you think now. And I notice you haven't provided me with those sources that supposedly refute HGWT. Looks like you have as little credibility as you claim Ronin Ro has. As I said, we're done.
@stevebrizzle This is what you said "What are the chances of running into your own assassin, in a city that was neither man's home, not knowing it's your assassin, but jumping him anyway?". That's what I took issue with, Then later you added "What IS surprising is the claim that the man Tupac chose to sucker punch, out of all the people in Vegas that night, just happened to be the nephew of a man that had made a deal to kill Tupac." And I agree with that last point! You messed up with that..
@stevebrizzle ..first line. You need to swallow your pride brother. Ain't no shame in doing that and I myself have accepted responsibility for taking part in this immature discussion with you. If you're still interested in hearing my points regarding Ronin Ro's book then I will gladly tell you them. However, if you're gonna continue on being disrespectful and immature then I see no reason for continuing on here.
@sigurjong In my opinion, my conduct has not faltered throughout. You are the one who has proven yourself to be disrespectful and immature by resorting to namecalling and profanity on more than one occasion. Therefore, I have no interest in continuing this discussion with you. I bid you good day, sir. @AntonBatey I appreciate your intervention. Keep up the good work.
With all due respect, please learn to be respectful if you have a disagreement. I asked you not to throw immature insults. If you gentlemen want to have a respectful debate, I can moderate one. If you just want to insult, please stop posting.
@AntonBatey I agree with you Anton. It was very immature and I accept responsibility for having been a part of that. It won't happen again. Keep up the good work.
(1 of 2) If what is said about Puffy's involvement is true, it's a real bombshell. It raises a bunch of other questions like, When did Puffy take out the hit?, When was Keefe D originally planning to do it?, Was Keefe D going to carry it out himself, or was he going to enlist some of his minions to do it, perhaps even Orlando?, and was Puffy satisfied, even though Suge wasn't killed?
But they are sat chilling with pacs killer.... Anyone see my point now thats just plain disrespect.....after reading the book,listenin to this interview in my opinion is suge found out about puffys involovment with southside crips connected the dots puffy thinkin hes scott.free suge decides eye for an eye then biggie gets plugged puffy leaves l.a the next day scared shitless
I tell you what is more shocking is that biggie n junior mafia n puffy are sat with baby lane keffe d + other southside crips at the vibe party biggie was killed and am sure they watch the news that baby lane was the prime suspect in pacs death along with other southside crips.. My point is does biggie n junior mafia not think its kinda strange chillin with thm n puffy simingly tight with them it makes you.wonder biggie.n.them claim they stil had love for pac after his death...
Yall are too guilable. Puffy never put a hit on Suge. Use common sense. Keefe D and the crips did Know puffy. If Puffy put a hit on Suge why didn't they ever attempt to take it out and not wait until Orlando was jumped. Puffy would have never came back to LA now that Pac was dead and he still owed them money. Basically, they killed Pac for retialation over Orlando being jumped. Keefe D is facing 25 years for PCP charge and his only way out is trying to implicate Puffy.
I agree that the prime reason Tupac is dead is because he jumped Orlando Anderson at the MGM. According to Greg Kading, Puffy perhaps paid Eric Walker and did not give Keefe D any of the money, which would not make Puffy necessarily the problem in this scenario. Furthermore, Keefe D was making millions around this time.
@AntonBatey Besides Keefee D saying puffy put a hit what other evidence is there. He was saying it to get time off. All evidence leads to the otherwise.
He was getting money but I doubt he was getting millions, its alwasy exaggerated. Even if he was getting millions, a millionaire still going to want million.
Oh sure. I’m not disagreeing with you. I was always inclined to believe it was simple street justice. Even Greg Kading believes that the majority reason Tupac was killed was because of the scuffle at the MGM. Puffy having an existing hit out on Tupac in 1996, however, is certainly plausible and probable.
@AntonBatey Yeah, I think the main reason he was killed was revenge for what happened to Orlando. What is really bizarre about this whole thing is the connection between Puffy and these Crips, particularly Keefee D and Eric Martin. This appears to be valid and that is just amazing to me. I think anyone with sense who has followed this from the beginning has to be really questioning Puffy at this point in time.
I agree. The idea that Puffy would put a hit on Tupac is certainly, without a doubt plausible. Violence being a means to preserve Puffy’s financial empire is not only conceivable, but probable. But yes, I agree that the prime motivation behind Tupac’s killing was the beating Anderson suffered at the MGM. The preexisting hit orchestrated by Puffy was secondary, maybe even coincidental.
@urbanflavorz The way I understand it is that Keefee D didn't try to pursue that money until much later. He was rolling in dough and was in no hurry to collect. It is also important to remember Keefee D wound up going to prison for a long time about a year or two after the murder of Tupac. Now with that being said, he did eventually try to collect. At least according to Keefee D. Is this plausible? I don't think it's too far fetched. Do I believe it? I believe Orlando Anderson was involved.
The Sean Combs theory is plausible, but I don't think he can substantiate it, all he has is here say. Why not go with Ocam's reasoning. All the evidence points to a turf war with Deathrow and the Southside crips and Pac getting in the middle of it. Clown stomping a gang member in public and Pac stupidly not expecting some form of retaliation is a major gaff on Tupac's behalf. Young Men die every day over gang retaliation, Tupac being another part of it. Suge, IMO, took care of it in his own way.
Off topic but I think relevant to anyone watching this video imho; Needs more views or to be picked up by something like vladtv or WSHH-as examples only for the amount of eyeballs on them, I have no idea as to these sites affiliations, which could have conflicts with the subject matter... Maybe more mainstream sites like MTV or LA times(though they had their chance as is mentioned in the interview). CBC Radio in Canada has a great show called Q with Jian Ghomeshi be cool to see you get on...
Just finished listening, and I must thank you Anton, for an amazingly in depth exploration into this ultimately tragic subject. Fmr. Det.Greg Kading definitely deserves praise for his sheer sticktoitivness(if that isn't a real word it should be) to the facts and only the facts of this case-or several cases as it may be. The thing at the end about Mr.Combs's powerful bank account being a deciding factor in hindering possible future prosecution is really messed up if one believes he did it. FFT.
It's a little pedantic, I know, but I think it's important to point out that Det. Kading makes a slight error at 5.03 when he says Mark Antony Bell was beaten at a Christmas party in 1994; it was actually Christmas 1995. It couldn't have been 1994 because Tupac wasn't signed to Death Row then; rather, he was recovering from the shooting at Quad Recording Studios and awaiting sentencing for the sex abuse conviction. I think Ronan Ro also confirms this in Have Gun Will Travel.
@stevebrizzle I noticed that error as well, but let's not rely on Ronin Ro for anything here lol. Anyone who knows anything about this subject knows Ronin Ro's book Have Gun Will Travel is filled with errors and is not a very credible source.
@sigurjong I recently read that some of the stuff in HGWT is inaccurate. That said, I don't think we should write-off the whole book just yet - it's still a useful source.
@stevebrizzle It's not like we're talking about two or three errors that we can easily overlook. That book is filled with errors and when you have a book that flawed you can't rely on anything that's in there because you're gonna have to pick and choose what to believe. The more bullshit somebody writes the harder it gets to seek out the truth. That is why I always shake my head with a smile when somebody uses that book as a source.
@sigurjong Why are you so sure it's filled with errors? Give me a couple of examples of the most egregious errors, in your opinion, and then tell me what sources to read which will prove they are errors.
@stevebrizzle Funny you ask me for sources when Ronin Ro himself doesn't give you any of his sources lol. I'd be gad to tell you about it, but my time is limited. Tell you what, why don't you pm me before the weekend starts and I'll send you a proper report on the matter.
@sigurjong Well you seem pretty confident in your claim so I think it's fair to ask you to back it up. I've just pm'd you. Looking forward to your reply.
Great interview Anton, but I have one suggestion for you. When you're interviewing try not to lead them when you're asking a question. For example when you're asking about the conspiracy theory (which I think is bullshit btw) don't say I know this is ridiculous but i have to ask... Just ask the question straightforward and state your opinion after he answers. If you state your opinion during the question, then people are more likely to agree with you. Otherwise I enjoyed the interview.
What do you make of this Anton? Do you think it's credible that Puffy had a hit out on Pac and Suge? It just sounds weird to me that Puffy had a contract with these dudes but they didn't go to Vegas to kill Pac, they just happened to do it because of the fight.
@mhutch45 I personally never suspected Puffy, but I am certainly questioning a lot of things after hearing what this guy has presented for us. This is definitely a possibility and I wouldn't be surprised if it is true.
Fantastic interview. Listened to the whole thing right after I read his book. I like how you asked him about Eugene Deal's conversation regarding Amir Muhammad. I was always curious about that. I wonder though, was Poochie wearing a Nation of Islam suit/bowtie when (if in fact) he shot Biggie? Great work, Anton.
Diddy is the biggest snake in the hiphop industry him followed closly by suge at least suge knows hes a bad guy puffy makes out hes soo innocent it really makes you wonder even on youtube there is interviews ov puffy been asked did he know who killed both ov them he looks nervious as well wen asked as well now we know why ....
i cant hear him he is cutting off
Pimpinpark777 4 days ago
Great interview. This is for sure one of a kind interview. Keep up the great work.
The comment about so many people can sue this guy is spot on.
The comment that this guy is trying to deflect attention away from LAPD for Biggie murder is also spot on. And the saga continues.......
nath8282 1 week ago 2
Anton bit ov a random question but u mite know does suge talk to any ov his ex goons aka the bloods he used as body gaurds for deathrowww.. I know buntry n herion are dead n tray neckbone big rock stil livin i ask cause i cant see suge getting along with tray seein as he was the one to get tupac to hit orlando ...
koolio11 1 week ago
puffy's fucked lmao rip 2pac & biggie
lilnickgmc28 2 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
and so many people can sue this guy if he is slandering them. so either way something should happen.
4everliam 2 weeks ago
what i will say though... this will fail if puffy doesnt even get brought in over what kading is saying. if that doesnt happen then that alone proves this is bullshit. when i see puffy arrested or least brought in for this then ok.
4everliam 2 weeks ago
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4everliam 2 weeks ago
.... But she dosnt i know about her filing a lawsuit againest orlando, monk but most ppl dnt know that but part from that she doesnt say a word which leds to ppl making these daft thoerys .. Like i watched wen she went on tv n asked who killed tupac she repiled "i dnt care it wont bring him back" fair enough it wont bring him back but just like we know ppl are stil alive involoved so she doesnt care ppl involoved in murders are stil walking free...something isnt right...she lives in a box
koolio11 3 weeks ago
@straighton4u...actully 2 ov the ppl in the white cad are stil alive n welll if we take kading completly accurte (keffe d,t-brown) so they shud be sent to jail for life period suprised no bloods have tryed to kill them both....the thing is about this bullshit suge knight killed tupac thoery ... I respect tupacs mam afeni but had she went on tv n said yes crips killed my son or orlando did it etc then me personally feel 80% ov fans would take that seen as its pacs mam........
koolio11 3 weeks ago
It's so amazing how someone gets those pictures and video of tupac and suge in their car at the stop light but noooo pictures or video of the shooting.. wow
StraightOn4u 3 weeks ago
Its soooo ironic how the only eye witness which was a member of tupac's group riding behind him in one of the car's magically gets shot and killed days later after the incident.
StraightOn4u 3 weeks ago
If u do your own research you will find that the majority of all involved or thought to have been involved are now deceased by being gunned down.
StraightOn4u 3 weeks ago
content is good, but the audio of the guest is terrible.
PatentRob 3 weeks ago
The thing is... I thought u were serious for a moment, until I heard u gobble every word that Mr. Kading gave you. No offense, but black people don't believe the police. I understand u were happy 2 get the interview, but u ate it. Russell Poole was sabotaged becuz he went against his brethren police officers and exposed that they were involved. Now u believe this cop with these bogus tales similar to Chuck Phillips, but he's a cop so u think he has inside info. Were is the WMD???? No evidence
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
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hey anton i had you as a friend on here for awhile bro. i got alot of love for ya keep doing what you do. but all im saying is no matter what kading says. i still think its kinda of funny man just my opinion, and im a stick to it untile we really find justice, and everything really comes out. and people are actually coming out admittinng stuff.
nyniggagettinmoney 3 weeks ago
hey anton i had you as a friend on here for awhile bro. i got alot of love for ya keep doing what you do. but all im saying is no matter what kading says. i still think its kinda of funny man just my opinion, and im a stick to it untile we really find justice, and everything really comes out. and people are actually coming out admittinng stuff.
nyniggagettinmoney 3 weeks ago
im a say this i luv pac got respect for every one, and there opinion. but im a say this its just to funny for orlando anderson. to have been in the casino by himself just after the fight. looking like he is ploting and going on with a plan. to know where excatly 2pac is going to be in that big ass casino. come on man suge know he had some to do with that. i know puff did but also suge.
nyniggagettinmoney 3 weeks ago
@nyniggagettinmoney
Kading answered that already...
AntonBatey 3 weeks ago
Point blank!!! Mr. Greg Kading is doing everything that he can to excuse the Police dept. because of the lawsuits that would cost the city Hundreds of Millions of dollars. I've never seen a cop try so hard to discredit a witness that was present at a murder. He says that Eugene shouldn't carry any merit?? WTF??
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
@tommykreed
You are not presenting any actual couter-argument. Please halt the namecalling and present an alternative case.
AntonBatey 3 weeks ago
@AntonBatey U know the evidence better then most people on earth. The only ones that know more about this stuff did the shooting. Now just think about all we know, and listen to this cop discredit everything that implicates the police. Everything!! Chuck Phillips tried to do the same thing with his tales becuz of that lawsuit. Anton man, the authorities are not telling you the full truth brother. He even stains Russel Peters. Why?? becuz he was willing 2 expose that fellow COPS were involved.
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
@tommykreed
You mean Russell Poole. Not Peters.
Poole’s theories were not backed up by evidence, as the civil suit proved and even conceded.
AntonBatey 3 weeks ago
@AntonBatey Look at the 10 min security footage from the casino. They were watching his every move. He was under heavy surveillance the whole time. He was a threat in 96 rolling with Deathrow. Look at the 8 second last footage of him standing with some girls with the green tank and shorts. He was calm. Look at his last photo, he was calm and worried. Look at Suge and his demeanor, he was calm and looking st8 ahead. The only thing was maybe loud music. They werent rowdy drawing attention
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
@tommykreed
That photo was taken while they were being pulled over by the police, from several accounts. I am not a mindreader, so speculating on what Suge Knight or Tupac were “reeeeally” thinking is a fruitless debate. I hear kids who think Tupac is alive play the mindreader game about that photo too, saying they look nervous because they’re about to fake a death or some childish theory.
Also, from all accounts, they were rowdy as fuck that night.
AntonBatey 3 weeks ago
@AntonBatey The bike cops stopping them was to mark them and get the shooters in place. Suge and Pac were the being watched by the most powerful U.S. agencies!! His every move. Who had the most the gain?? They wiped out the most powerful black owned company. Took out the most influential figure of our time that came from a Panther background. Seized all property and Masters to music that is worth a fortune. And u believe they wouldn't lock up some gangbangers if they really did it?? Its Deeper
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
@tommykreed
Oh, you’re reaching and digging deep into conspiracy-land.
I thought you were remotely serious for a moment.
AntonBatey 3 weeks ago
@AntonBatey I've heard u press every person you've interviewed. U knew his story about Big was weird and u left it alone and ate his story up. If u really believe that gangbangers did this and they let them go, then u believe the JFK tale. I'll say this... few alive knows the truth. But I know that whatever happened that night, the authorities were watching and saw everything. He was public enemy #1 in 96. They saw what happended to Big 2. These people were watching their every move home boy!!!
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
@AntonBatey Forget about bike cops, thats speculation. But think for a minute... Why did he discredit everything that would harm the city of Nevada and California??? Why did he discredit valid info from Eugene, Russell Peters?? Why did he say David Mack and Perez had no connection what so ever? Ladd never said anything as absurd as the Biggie story Kading gave. "Pouchie"?? Becuz it gets people off police officers and gets u off path to more low level gangmembers that had nothing to do with it
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
@AntonBatey I respect the fact that your informative and I'll continue to listen to your interviews on the matter. But your starting to get too comfortable with what the "Powers" are telling you. Your starting to close your mind and accept the stories of people that have so much to hide. You'll never see the real FBI file. If Orlando Anderson and Keffe D or whoever really did it, then their black ass would be locked up by Dec.1996 cased closed!! U don't understand.
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
@tommykreed Actually the reason why Orlando Anderson could not be put in jail is because he now is deceased as well. Shot and killed at a carwash shootout in Compton.
StraightOn4u 3 weeks ago
@AntonBatey No offense, but if you want to believe this white police officer from a known scandal ridden dept from Los Angles, then I guess brother. Rampart isn't no joke. He mixed facts with his own spin to vindicate his fellow boys in blue!! U know that Biggie story isn't true. And u think Puffy put a hit on Suge and Pac?? Then the crips don't care about the money when they seen Puffy and Big at the party??? He just left out the bullshit were Big gave the crips a gun at the hotel in Vegas.
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
@AntonBatey Sorry, I don't know why I keep calling him Russell Peters. But u know what I mean. Keep up the investigtion becuz we're getting close. Your doing more than a lot of people when it comes to digging for facts. Just don't stop. I'll be watching close and I'll be here for a good argument. Thats the only way this unsolved mystery won't die. I'm afraid that we wont know until most involved are dead and gone. And that might include ourselves. But until then, lets keep asking questions.
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
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RealspitHiphop604 3 weeks ago
@tommykreed
I don't have time to go over everything here in the text, I have went over it and refuted all the conspiracy theories the past few years. If you would like to debate the issue, leav me your contact information and we can set up a recorded debate. Take care.
AntonBatey 3 weeks ago
@AntonBatey Listening to this interview on bomb1st.com with Kevin Hackie.
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
Kevin Hackie confirms that the Feds/FBI were watching both the Tupac and Biggie murders. He also says that the FBI took photos and footage of the murders of Tupac and Big. Listen to the full 43 minute interview with Kevin Hackie at Bomb1st.com , The people at Bomb1st are real journalist. They bring the real and don't gobble nuts.
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
@tommykreed kevin hackie is about as reliable as believing in santa claus. get a clue man. that guy stays lying.
4everliam 2 weeks ago
@AntonBatey Like I said, I've never heard anybody on this planet make such a bizarre excuse for David Mack and them. He said Mack didn't know Suge and never meet him. All evidence proofs otherwise. But Mr. Kading has to remove the police from the picture becuz of the $400 Million!!! U even said it was the weirdest part of his book. He gives this big sob story about how Ms Wallace deserves more and she has been treated less then kind, but says that she has been "chasing a lie". Why?? $400 million
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
@AntonBatey He discredits Eugene's eye witness account becuz it was a year or so later that he spoke about it, and he might have seen the picture somewhere. In Biggie&Tupac, Eugene clearly says its the first time he has seen that picture and that nobody questioned him. But he takes the word from a felon in jail for life that will say anything to get out!!! Bizarre stories about Puffy that is not in his character.Suge's a goon n will have somebody punch Dre at Vibe awards but no mafia hits bro
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
This guy is a fraud ex-cop that is trying everything he can do to distance any suspicion from the Police. Notice how he makes it a point to protect the LVPD from several mistakes (taking care of the initial crime scene and questioning Kadafi). If gang members shot 2pac then the police would have no problem locking up some young black gangbangers. But they didn't. This fraud Greg Kading is no different then Chuck Phillips. Don't believe the hype. Let me listen to the rest now. To be continued...
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
@tommykreed
He explained why the LVPD did not take this to the DA.....
AntonBatey 3 weeks ago
@AntonBatey Even Cathy Scott in the interview you did with her explained how faulty the LVPD handled the shooting. The other officers u interviewed said the same with really incriminating their brothers in blue. If u ask me, the bike cops stopping them was on purpose in order to get the shooters in place. Think man, if it was some stupid ass black gangbangers they would have no problem locking them up. Pac/Suge were watched heavily. Peep the 10min security footage from the casino.
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
@tommykreed
I didn’t get the feeling that Kading was justifying the actions of the LVOD, but offering an explanation that requires you to think of things from their perspective, which I get. Also, just about all the interviews I did explain why the LVPD didn’t prosecute this “stupid ass black gangbanger”. They didn’t have the interest or evidence to secure a conviction. Mostly interest for reasons explained.
AntonBatey 3 weeks ago
@AntonBatey He went out of his way to protect the police in every instance. You even noticed how weird his story about the Biggie shooting was!!! Now all the sudden Eugene has no merit!!! And it was some nobody named "Pouchie"??? FOH!! He needs to make sure the Police are not implicated becuz of the $400 million dollar lawsuit that bankrupt California doesn't have. All the evidence says otherwise but he does the Chuck Phillips stuff to fool us. Don't fall for it man.
tommykreed 3 weeks ago
@tommykreed
He clarified Gene Deal’s statements. Regarding Fouse being a “nobody”, not sure I understand that statement. Perhaps because most of have never heard of him prior to Kading’s book? Saying that Kading is protecting police because, according to you, they’re somehow in on the murders is baseless, I think. After over a decade, I’d like to see evidence implicating police.
AntonBatey 3 weeks ago
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thaflamereturns84 3 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
Kirk burrows, former bad boy president also claims that puffy paid for the killing of Tupac and Suge, so that would seem to corroborate Keefe D's story, he made the claim back in 2003.
junior3082 4 weeks ago
Hearing this interview is the closest person to getting the real truth out there on who killed both biggie n pac...shame really they were caught up in something fucked up.....r.i.p
koolio11 4 weeks ago
@JKNEPPER11.... Agreed crips killed tupac,bloods killed biggie...while pac n biggie were bangin on wax as some would say there was a war that was sparked between bloods n crips in the background so if you think about it tupac was killed over a damm necklace.... Biggie simpley relailtion he basically walked into gettin killed if that makes sense by coming to l.a...badboy forgot how l.a streetdudes roll they simpley dnt give a fuck, me personally think greg kading after readin his book.........
koolio11 4 weeks ago
Anton and everyone else. There comes a time in your life that you have to accept the truth. No need to fight or bring up theory's. The truth has been told, and whether you accept it or not, it is not my problem.
I sincerely hope that you and others call this a case closed. (Almost)
CRISS-CROSS X
JKNEPPER11 4 weeks ago
Wow...If you think about it there's a whole bunch of people who were involved and know about Pacs death..Shits crazy
ShadowXFX1 1 month ago
@lakewayking23
Frank Alexander is someone who's "closely involved" in the situation and he's implicated Suge Knight, should I believe him too. Every thing corroborates retaliation as the motive for 2pac's death. The pre-existing turf war with death row, someone getting their chain snatched, Tupac jumping someone with heavy affiliation to gang violence, and then the spike in gang violence after Tupac's death. All we have is hear say for any other implications.
hawkindy 1 month ago
Both pac n biggie died for stupid reasons ... Suge knight and p diddy are the real villians in this fuck both ov them ....
koolio11 1 month ago
And he replyed "i aint that powerful yet" now if that isnt playin with fire and he was on l.a turf i dnt know wat is... Then he laughs at the crowd wen hes booed wen he says " wat up cali" as if to say fuk yall n the fact he was chillin wid pacs killers keffe d , baby lane i think all ov it was too much..biggie wasnt innnocent in that beef at all its laughable to think he was..but... I dnt agree with your comment"props to suge for takin care ov him" no need for that bro dnt disrespect the dead.
koolio11 1 month ago
@lakewayking23....altho i agree with the part you said big had it cumin...goin to l.a far to soon if that was me id ov waited a cool 2- 4 years til shit cooled down not 6 months..plus they goin on radio shows walkin round l.a like the new dons while pac is dead,suge in jail its basically like a spit to the face for west coast g"s..plus big was playin with fire goin on radio freestlying longkissgoodnight boarder line disses to pac and sway asked if he had anything to do with pacs death.....
koolio11 1 month ago
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rob327c 1 month ago
@rob327c
Nope. Just don't listen if you're not interested. Simple.
AntonBatey 1 month ago
@CanvassBlack
Your comments were ad hominem attacks. I don’t tolerate that whether its against me or anyone else. And your latest comments, claiming that I “crave attention” because I, uh, make videos on subjects (??) is just another personal attack.
With that being said, you’re not to comment any more on my videos.
Take care.
AntonBatey 1 month ago
@CanvassBlack
You know absolutely NOTHING about me, so don't even go there with the ad homs.
AntonBatey 1 month ago
I think Tupac's erratic behavior got him killed. Nobody put a hit out on him and nobody was planted or any of that nonsense. Tupac got into a scrum with the wrong people and paid the price. Anderson was alleged in another murder as well if I'm not mistaken. I'd be willing to make million dollar bet Tupac's last words weren't promote world peace, it was get those N*ggas back.
hawkindy 1 month ago
@hawkindy
That's certainly what I'm inclined to believe.
AntonBatey 1 month ago
@hawkindy when the major players are saying that puff put the hit on Pac n suge. then u better believe it...
lakewayking23 1 month ago
@hawkindy Pac n suge wasnt the only ones that beat his ass that night, but they were the only ones that got hit..2 birds with one stone theory..revenge and the hit
lakewayking23 1 month ago
@hawkindy
I am in agreeance with you. I loved Pac and he is still my favourite rapper/entertainer to date but he had a real chip on his shoulder. The way he carried himself probably offended a lot of people and generally when people act like they can't be touched they end up being touched.
cmarshall2008 1 month ago
@cmarshall2008 when did Pac act like he couldnt be shot again... listen to the makaveli album one more time
lakewayking23 1 month ago
why did suge kill big when he knew the shooter was a crip and if he some how knew the crips knew badboy then why didnt he kill p diddy instead of biggie
jayd4ever 1 month ago
@jayd4ever Because since his biggest artist was taken from him.... vice-versa
StraightOn4u 3 weeks ago
@StraightOn4u so he was jelous he just went after p diddy
jayd4ever 3 weeks ago
finding it a little hard to understand kading at times
jayd4ever 1 month ago
@jayd4ever
Headphones. Turn volume all the way up. You'll be able to make it out.
AntonBatey 1 month ago
@AntonBatey i can understand him but at times i cannot
jayd4ever 1 month ago
..and make pac look like a paraniod manic... But pac was right puffy/badboy are the shadest crew in hiphop but noone wud listen he was right all along...pac thought puffy was involved in his 94 shooting he never mentions biggie n them just puffy its in that lost vibe interview on youtube...i beleive him hes a.complete snake
koolio11 1 month ago
@ihateurfuckinface.... You have a good point suge paying.the killer for anyreason for that matter is tasteless n disrespectful as hell to tupac.... Acordin to.greg kading they.both were.at a meeting.sumwhere with there lawyers fuk if that was me been suge n.i was in the same room as.orlando id have his head on a stick.....as for bucky sorry i mean puffy wateva he wants to call himself biggest snake in hiphop shortly folowed by suge.... I hate how docs make puff n big look like angels ...
koolio11 1 month ago
Another thing I wanted to mention about was what Greg Kading said about Puffy. Greg said he believes Puffy's "finger was on the trigger" at the nightclub shooting in NY, but it was proving in a court of law that it wasn't on the trigger, that in fact it was Shyne who did the shooting, granted he was shooting on Puffy's behalf, but Puff never shot a gun. And that's according to the dozens of witnesses that were there. So I'm not sure why Greg thinks Puffy was shooting up the place.
IhateUrFuckinFace 1 month ago
@IhateUrFuckinFace
I didn’t intend to put words in your mouth. Based on my experience, anyone who claimed that Suge planted Anderson at the MGM did so to claim that Anderson was hired by Suge. Sorry for strawmanning you. The rest of what you said, I agree with. Knight should be ashamed to have dealt with Anderson after the shooting. Apparently, as Kading stated, Knight put finance above morality, which shouldn’t be that surprising.
AntonBatey 1 month ago
Also ,I have trouble believing Puffy was down with the Crips in California. If that were the case then how come The Crips weren't there with Biggie when he went to Cali and E-40 tried to roll on him? I would think if Puffy had a connection with Crips in Cali they would in turn hold Biggie down while he was there. But every time Biggie and Puffy were in Cali they were never seen with Crips, and that's from ppl who seen them in Cali.
IhateUrFuckinFace 1 month ago
Like, he paid the killer money. I don't think it matters why he paid him money, just the fact that Suge gave him money bothers me,that doesn't bother other ppl? that Suge paid off the killer? The fact that he gave him money for any reason is messed up in my opinion. Why would Orlando even need the money if according to Mr. Kading Orlando received money from Puffy for killing Pac? So at one point in time Orlando Anderson received money from Puffy ,and received money from Suge? Weird.
IhateUrFuckinFace 1 month ago
I mean, it seems like Suge didn't care about 2pac that much, if he's willing to do a deal with the guy who killed his friend, and all most killed him. Greg Kading said, Suge knows who killed Pac, Orlando Anderson. So I don't understand morality how Suge can then make a deal with this guy? regardless of how much time you're facing how could you make a deal with the killer? I think it disrespects the memory of Pac, and shows that maybe Suge didn't care for Tupac as much as he said he did.
IhateUrFuckinFace 1 month ago
I mean, this is a guy (Orlando Anderson) who essentially tried to kill Suge knight, and supposedly did kill Suge Knight's so called "best friend" 2pac. And now all of a sudden they're working together? Like at what point in the street drama that was going on between the B&C did Suge call Orlando and say "look, you killed some of my friends, I killed some of your friends, but could you do me a really big favor and testify in my defense? I'll pay you".
IhateUrFuckinFace 1 month ago
So essentially what Greg Kading is saying is that Suge paid Orlando to testify. Suge knight paid Orlando Anderson to do something and he did it. So why is it so believable that Suge Knight could paid Orlando Anderson to do something like testify on his behalf, but it's not so believable that Suge Knight could pay him to do something else like, I don't know, stand around a casino lobby? Just saying.
IhateUrFuckinFace 1 month ago
So why is Suge Knight then working, or in this instance "paying money" to the guy who killed his top earner? (2pac) Why is he "paying money" to the guy who he's supposedly beefing with in the streets of Compton days after Pac's death? They're suppose to be enemies, but now all of a sudden Orlando is on Suge's side? taking money from him?
IhateUrFuckinFace 1 month ago
It's my understanding that Orlando Anderson did not directly testify for the defense in Suge knight's probation violation case, in other words he wasn't called to testify by Suge knight's defense team as a witness in Suge knight's defense. He was subpoenaed to testify by the prosecution in the case, but when on the stand he gave testimony that was in favor of Suge. Now, OA either said what he did because he's not a snitch and wasn't going to help the prosecution, or maybe he was paid off by Suge
IhateUrFuckinFace 1 month ago
@IhateUrFuckinFace
No, he testified on behalf of Suge. Also, Mr. Kading explained why Suge paid Anderson. As far as Anderson being a "plant" or something, you're getting into the ridiculous Suge Knight - killed - Tupac theories, which have been refuted to death.
AntonBatey 1 month ago
@AntonBatey So are you saying he wasn't subpoenaed by the prosecution? The prosecution was basically charging Suge because of his altercation with Orlando,but they didn't figure it was pertinent to their case to subpoena him?
I never said he was a plant,please don't put words in my mouth. I think you're smart enough to understand that I was merely suggesting that ppl didn't believe that Suge could of arranged Orlando's presents in Vegas, but he could arrange his presents in court?
IhateUrFuckinFace 1 month ago
@AntonBatey And yes he did explained why Suge paid him, because Suge didn't want to go to jail. That's obvious even without Kading's explanation. My point is the fact that he actually paid him, not why he paid him. I just find it weird that his so called enemy,would be so quick to jump to his defense,or that Sgue would even get his so called enemy to come to his defense. I think it shows that Suge and Orlando had some kind of relationship that didn't involve banging on each other.
IhateUrFuckinFace 1 month ago
If this so called hit had been out, why wasn't there an attempt on Suge's like for the 5-6 months Puffy supposedly put out this hit. Not only that, Keefe D claimed he saw and talked to Suge when Suge asked him how did he know Puffy.
urbanflavorz 1 month ago
And has there been any response to this accusation from Puffy? I did a quick google search and found nothing. Or is Puffy not even taking this seriously?
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
@stevebrizzle Puffy at the time said he never hired any known crip members as security. A Few years later Jimmy Henchmn admitted that they used crips as security.
urbanflavorz 1 month ago
(2 of 2) But I'm sceptical. What are the odds of Tupac, not only running into his would-be assassin's nephew, but also stomping him out? They've got to be pretty low. I'm inclined to believe that the shooting was simple retaliation for the beatdown that the Death Row crew dished out to Orlando, and that Keefe D is saying this in order to somehow mitigate the charges he is facing.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
@stevebrizzle Yeah, the coincidences can be a little troubling, especially at first glance, but we gotta remember Suge and these Crips are from Compton and Compton is not a big city. So, it would not be a big stretch to believe that many of these guys know each on sight and that sooner or later they're gonna run into each other. The fact that Keefee D and Eric "Zip" Martin can easily be connected to Puffy Combs is the really troubling part. I'm sorry, but I have a problem with overlooking that.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@sigurjong Oh yeah, I agree it was a chance meeting between the Blood-affiliated Death Row entourage, and Southside Crips, but it didn't happen in Compton, did it. It happened in Las Vegas, on a fight night, when the city would have been teeming with people. What are the chances of running into your own assassin, in a city that was neither man's home, not knowing it's your assassin, but jumping him anyway? Again, I would have to say the chances are pretty low.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
@stevebrizzle I disagree with that. It would've been much more of a stretch if they had ran into each other on any other night. Fight night = A lot of people at the exact same spot! You do understand that right? I myself have ran into several people I know from other cities at these type of events. Also, getting murdered by somebody you just punked is usually not something that should come off as a surprise to anyone lol. I really don't know where you're going with this.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@stevebrizzle I disagree with that. It would've been much more of a stretch if they had ran into each other on any other night. Fight night = A lot of people at the exact same spot! You do understand that right? I myself have ran into several people I know from other cities at these type of events. Also, getting murdered by somebody you just punked is usually not something that should come off as a surprise to anyone lol. I really don't know where you're going with this.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@sigurjong You haven't read my post correctly. If you had read it correctly, you would understand that I believe that Tupac's shooting was retaliation for Anderson's beatdown, and, as such, someone getting shot in these circumstances is NOT surprising. What IS surprising is the claim that the man Tupac chose to sucker punch, out of all the people in Vegas that night, just happened to be the nephew of a man that had made a deal to kill Tupac. I hope you're able to understand that now.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
@stevebrizzle That sounds a little better. The way you wrote it initially didn't make any sense, but I'm glad you cleared this up. You were beginning to sound so ridiculous lol. I've also addressed this fact and YES if anything is amazing it is the fact Keefee D and Puffy had a relationship. And this is a fact! This is what makes Keefee D's claim all the more believable.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@sigurjong Don't say I sound ridiculous when you're the one who failed to understand my original message. It wasn't complicated, you just misread it. And I would hesitate to say that Keefe D and Puffy having a relationship is 'fact'; we don't know that for certain yet.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
@stevebrizzle We do know that they know each other. Have you read Kading's book? Wow. You sir are an idiot. Not only do you use Have Gun Will Travel as a source for your beliefs, but you don't even know how to communicate properly. We're done here.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@sigurjong
Guys, let's keep it civil. There is no need for namecalling.
AntonBatey 1 month ago
@AntonBatey Well said, Anton.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
@sigurjong Don't embarrass yourself. You've proved you're the one who can't communicate properly by getting sore and namecalling. Anyway, back to the point. As a matter of fact, I haven't read Kading's book yet - I wasn't aware of it until AB posted this interview, but ordered a copy right after listening. Nevertheless, Puffy denies any involvement with the Crips and Kading himself says that Eric 'Zip' Martin acted as a 'conduit' between Puffy and Keefe D, limiting their interaction.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
@stevebrizzle Add to this that Keefe D is a career criminal, which makes the credibility of his testimony questionable, and I think it is fair to say it is far from certain 'fact' yet that Puffy and Keefe D had any kind of 'relationship'.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
@stevebrizzle Why don't we just drop it. I take responsibility for the name calling and I apologize for that. Listen, we all make mistakes and I honestly don't blame you for not being able to getting your point across properly at times. This case is a very deep matter and it's not always easy to remain clear when you have to limit yourself. Forget it. We got off the wrong foot.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@sigurjong I'm confident in my communication skills. May I kindly suggest that you read comments more carefully before replying to them. I accept your apology.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
@stevebrizzle I read them carefully sir. Now may I kindly ask you to at least try to put a little more effort into the bullshit you are trying to deliver. That isn't too much to ask. Thank you for accepting my apology.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@sigurjong *Sigh* I grow weary of you. We're done.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
@stevebrizzle Now look who's sore. You need to check your sources before you draw any conclusions because if you don't you're bound to come up with some bullshit ideas about this case. I think few people have investigated it as thoroughly as Greg Kading and Cathy Scott have. Both of them have been able to put to rest a lot of the bullshit that's out there and so in many ways they have proven themselves as relatively healthy sources. Ronin Ro is a guy who went on tv and called HIMSELF stupid.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@stevebrizzle ..And don't be mad if I tell you to work on your communication skills. I like you Steve, I want you to get better.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@sigurjong Not sore my friend, just weary of you. You still can't accept that you misread my post, can you? Wow, talk about insecure. That's ok though, no skin off my nose. I'd ask you which of my ideas you believe are 'bullshit' but I really don't care what you think now. And I notice you haven't provided me with those sources that supposedly refute HGWT. Looks like you have as little credibility as you claim Ronin Ro has. As I said, we're done.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
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@stevebrizzle This is what you said "What are the chances of running into your own assassin, in a city that was neither man's home, not knowing it's your assassin, but jumping him anyway?". That's what I took issue with, Then later you added "What IS surprising is the claim that the man Tupac chose to sucker punch, out of all the people in Vegas that night, just happened to be the nephew of a man that had made a deal to kill Tupac." And I agree with that last point! You messed up with that..
sigurjong 1 month ago
@stevebrizzle ..first line. You need to swallow your pride brother. Ain't no shame in doing that and I myself have accepted responsibility for taking part in this immature discussion with you. If you're still interested in hearing my points regarding Ronin Ro's book then I will gladly tell you them. However, if you're gonna continue on being disrespectful and immature then I see no reason for continuing on here.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@sigurjong In my opinion, my conduct has not faltered throughout. You are the one who has proven yourself to be disrespectful and immature by resorting to namecalling and profanity on more than one occasion. Therefore, I have no interest in continuing this discussion with you. I bid you good day, sir. @AntonBatey I appreciate your intervention. Keep up the good work.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
@sigurjong
With all due respect, please learn to be respectful if you have a disagreement. I asked you not to throw immature insults. If you gentlemen want to have a respectful debate, I can moderate one. If you just want to insult, please stop posting.
AntonBatey 1 month ago
@AntonBatey I agree with you Anton. It was very immature and I accept responsibility for having been a part of that. It won't happen again. Keep up the good work.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@sigurjong
No problem! And I appreciate the remarks.
AntonBatey 1 month ago
(1 of 2) If what is said about Puffy's involvement is true, it's a real bombshell. It raises a bunch of other questions like, When did Puffy take out the hit?, When was Keefe D originally planning to do it?, Was Keefe D going to carry it out himself, or was he going to enlist some of his minions to do it, perhaps even Orlando?, and was Puffy satisfied, even though Suge wasn't killed?
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
But they are sat chilling with pacs killer.... Anyone see my point now thats just plain disrespect.....after reading the book,listenin to this interview in my opinion is suge found out about puffys involovment with southside crips connected the dots puffy thinkin hes scott.free suge decides eye for an eye then biggie gets plugged puffy leaves l.a the next day scared shitless
koolio11 1 month ago
I tell you what is more shocking is that biggie n junior mafia n puffy are sat with baby lane keffe d + other southside crips at the vibe party biggie was killed and am sure they watch the news that baby lane was the prime suspect in pacs death along with other southside crips.. My point is does biggie n junior mafia not think its kinda strange chillin with thm n puffy simingly tight with them it makes you.wonder biggie.n.them claim they stil had love for pac after his death...
koolio11 1 month ago
@Makaveli5458
Please refrain from emotional outbursts. Maintain a level of civility and maturity.
AntonBatey 1 month ago
If Keefee D doesn't implicate Puffy was involved he doesn't have anything for the FEDS.
If he says "We killed tupac because Orlando got jumped", thats not going to get him off his charges.
urbanflavorz 1 month ago
Yall are too guilable. Puffy never put a hit on Suge. Use common sense. Keefe D and the crips did Know puffy. If Puffy put a hit on Suge why didn't they ever attempt to take it out and not wait until Orlando was jumped. Puffy would have never came back to LA now that Pac was dead and he still owed them money. Basically, they killed Pac for retialation over Orlando being jumped. Keefe D is facing 25 years for PCP charge and his only way out is trying to implicate Puffy.
urbanflavorz 1 month ago
@urbanflavorz
I agree that the prime reason Tupac is dead is because he jumped Orlando Anderson at the MGM. According to Greg Kading, Puffy perhaps paid Eric Walker and did not give Keefe D any of the money, which would not make Puffy necessarily the problem in this scenario. Furthermore, Keefe D was making millions around this time.
AntonBatey 1 month ago
@AntonBatey Besides Keefee D saying puffy put a hit what other evidence is there. He was saying it to get time off. All evidence leads to the otherwise.
He was getting money but I doubt he was getting millions, its alwasy exaggerated. Even if he was getting millions, a millionaire still going to want million.
urbanflavorz 1 month ago
@urbanflavorz
Oh sure. I’m not disagreeing with you. I was always inclined to believe it was simple street justice. Even Greg Kading believes that the majority reason Tupac was killed was because of the scuffle at the MGM. Puffy having an existing hit out on Tupac in 1996, however, is certainly plausible and probable.
AntonBatey 1 month ago
@AntonBatey Yep..for end.
chimachonga14 1 month ago
@chimachonga14
I'm sorry?
AntonBatey 1 month ago
@AntonBatey Sayin that i agree with you on last sentence there.
chimachonga14 1 month ago
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@AntonBatey Sayin that i agree with you on last sentence there.
chimachonga14 1 month ago
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@AntonBatey Sayin that i agree with you on last sentence there.
chimachonga14 1 month ago
@AntonBatey Yeah, I think the main reason he was killed was revenge for what happened to Orlando. What is really bizarre about this whole thing is the connection between Puffy and these Crips, particularly Keefee D and Eric Martin. This appears to be valid and that is just amazing to me. I think anyone with sense who has followed this from the beginning has to be really questioning Puffy at this point in time.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@sigurjong
I agree. The idea that Puffy would put a hit on Tupac is certainly, without a doubt plausible. Violence being a means to preserve Puffy’s financial empire is not only conceivable, but probable. But yes, I agree that the prime motivation behind Tupac’s killing was the beating Anderson suffered at the MGM. The preexisting hit orchestrated by Puffy was secondary, maybe even coincidental.
AntonBatey 1 month ago
@urbanflavorz The way I understand it is that Keefee D didn't try to pursue that money until much later. He was rolling in dough and was in no hurry to collect. It is also important to remember Keefee D wound up going to prison for a long time about a year or two after the murder of Tupac. Now with that being said, he did eventually try to collect. At least according to Keefee D. Is this plausible? I don't think it's too far fetched. Do I believe it? I believe Orlando Anderson was involved.
sigurjong 1 month ago
BTW, thanks for the great video and putting time slots in the description to navigate. Keep up the good work Anton.
hawkindy 1 month ago
The Sean Combs theory is plausible, but I don't think he can substantiate it, all he has is here say. Why not go with Ocam's reasoning. All the evidence points to a turf war with Deathrow and the Southside crips and Pac getting in the middle of it. Clown stomping a gang member in public and Pac stupidly not expecting some form of retaliation is a major gaff on Tupac's behalf. Young Men die every day over gang retaliation, Tupac being another part of it. Suge, IMO, took care of it in his own way.
hawkindy 1 month ago
@hawkindy So u dont think is perculiar that Orlando anderson and Keefe D were hanging out with P. Diddy 6 months after they killed tupac?
urbanflavorz 1 month ago
he warned them, big might have lived
RealspitHiphop604 1 month ago
wish the quality of kading's voice was better, this was very interesting
RealspitHiphop604 1 month ago
Off topic but I think relevant to anyone watching this video imho; Needs more views or to be picked up by something like vladtv or WSHH-as examples only for the amount of eyeballs on them, I have no idea as to these sites affiliations, which could have conflicts with the subject matter... Maybe more mainstream sites like MTV or LA times(though they had their chance as is mentioned in the interview). CBC Radio in Canada has a great show called Q with Jian Ghomeshi be cool to see you get on...
lkjh4433 1 month ago
Just finished listening, and I must thank you Anton, for an amazingly in depth exploration into this ultimately tragic subject. Fmr. Det.Greg Kading definitely deserves praise for his sheer sticktoitivness(if that isn't a real word it should be) to the facts and only the facts of this case-or several cases as it may be. The thing at the end about Mr.Combs's powerful bank account being a deciding factor in hindering possible future prosecution is really messed up if one believes he did it. FFT.
lkjh4433 1 month ago
It's a little pedantic, I know, but I think it's important to point out that Det. Kading makes a slight error at 5.03 when he says Mark Antony Bell was beaten at a Christmas party in 1994; it was actually Christmas 1995. It couldn't have been 1994 because Tupac wasn't signed to Death Row then; rather, he was recovering from the shooting at Quad Recording Studios and awaiting sentencing for the sex abuse conviction. I think Ronan Ro also confirms this in Have Gun Will Travel.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
@stevebrizzle I noticed that error as well, but let's not rely on Ronin Ro for anything here lol. Anyone who knows anything about this subject knows Ronin Ro's book Have Gun Will Travel is filled with errors and is not a very credible source.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@sigurjong I recently read that some of the stuff in HGWT is inaccurate. That said, I don't think we should write-off the whole book just yet - it's still a useful source.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
@stevebrizzle It's not like we're talking about two or three errors that we can easily overlook. That book is filled with errors and when you have a book that flawed you can't rely on anything that's in there because you're gonna have to pick and choose what to believe. The more bullshit somebody writes the harder it gets to seek out the truth. That is why I always shake my head with a smile when somebody uses that book as a source.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@sigurjong Why are you so sure it's filled with errors? Give me a couple of examples of the most egregious errors, in your opinion, and then tell me what sources to read which will prove they are errors.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
@stevebrizzle Funny you ask me for sources when Ronin Ro himself doesn't give you any of his sources lol. I'd be gad to tell you about it, but my time is limited. Tell you what, why don't you pm me before the weekend starts and I'll send you a proper report on the matter.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@sigurjong Well you seem pretty confident in your claim so I think it's fair to ask you to back it up. I've just pm'd you. Looking forward to your reply.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
Great interview, Anton - thanks so much for posting.
stevebrizzle 1 month ago
good shit
chamgra 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
Great interview Anton, but I have one suggestion for you. When you're interviewing try not to lead them when you're asking a question. For example when you're asking about the conspiracy theory (which I think is bullshit btw) don't say I know this is ridiculous but i have to ask... Just ask the question straightforward and state your opinion after he answers. If you state your opinion during the question, then people are more likely to agree with you. Otherwise I enjoyed the interview.
BaseballHipHop 1 month ago 2
Great interview.
lyrical20 1 month ago
What do you make of this Anton? Do you think it's credible that Puffy had a hit out on Pac and Suge? It just sounds weird to me that Puffy had a contract with these dudes but they didn't go to Vegas to kill Pac, they just happened to do it because of the fight.
mhutch45 1 month ago
@mhutch45 I personally never suspected Puffy, but I am certainly questioning a lot of things after hearing what this guy has presented for us. This is definitely a possibility and I wouldn't be surprised if it is true.
sigurjong 1 month ago
@sigurjong
Well said.
AntonBatey 1 month ago
@AntonBatey Anton, this was a remarkable interview one of the best I've heard please keep it up and more in the future.
RealspitHiphop604 1 month ago
Fantastic interview. Listened to the whole thing right after I read his book. I like how you asked him about Eugene Deal's conversation regarding Amir Muhammad. I was always curious about that. I wonder though, was Poochie wearing a Nation of Islam suit/bowtie when (if in fact) he shot Biggie? Great work, Anton.
dwwambient 1 month ago
great job anton- and many thanks to greg kading for the interview, book, investigation,etc!
pshoup1 1 month ago
Diddy is the biggest snake in the hiphop industry him followed closly by suge at least suge knows hes a bad guy puffy makes out hes soo innocent it really makes you wonder even on youtube there is interviews ov puffy been asked did he know who killed both ov them he looks nervious as well wen asked as well now we know why ....
koolio11 1 month ago
Even though I couldn't always make out what Mr. Kading was saying I still gotta say this was one of the most explosive interviews I've ever heard.
sigurjong 1 month ago
He was never paid.zip was paid
laveli96 1 month ago
@laveli96 Thanx.
sigurjong 1 month ago
Due to the poor audio quality I wasn't able to hear everything Mr. Kading said. Did Puffy eventually pay Keefee D the million dollars?
sigurjong 1 month ago
ty listening atm
RealspitHiphop604 1 month ago
Ty alot Anton for re uploading the vid for us EU fans. Great inteview! i hope you do some more in the future.
gramel123 1 month ago
Great interview anton much respect to greg kading !! Puffy suge keffe d terrance brown zip shud all go to hell fuck them all to be blunt!!