There is nothing i can find in the codex about having to remove them from play if there is no unit within 6 "
It even states that damaged necrons cannot be attacked, why would that be said in the codex if you immediatly had to remove them?
also the ressurection orb rules say the Necron Lord is able to augment the self repair system of Necrons within 6 ", all Necrons within 6 " (including the lord himself) may attempt wbb
where is it stated that necrons do not get wbb for sweeping advance? i cant find it anywhere. i understand that they dont get it if SA is done and their arent models within 6" but i cant see why they wouldnt get it if their WERE models close enough who were not in the assault.
@necromancerguy666 sweeping advance rules in 5the edition say the whole unit is destroyed and removed from play, no save or other special rule can save them
the thing is when does the necron roll for WBB? like after the enemy's turn? right after it? and if you use wbb can they move shoot and assault with the newly resurrected units (in the same turn)?
@BobThePokeMaster The necrons belong to a friend of mine. I am not sure where he got them. I'll see if I can find out next Monday (when we're supposed to hang out).
1.WBB lets you roll to see if a unit will come back. 2.It only takes effect if theres another live unit within 6in. 3.Squad doesn't matter, as long as the model is within 6in of another you can role 4.Melta, or Power weapon kills prevent you from using WBB 5.A resurrection orb lets you roll if something normally prevents it, but only within 6in of the holder. 6.If a monolith is present then squads with units that failed the roll can be sent there 2 try again, unless rule 4. takes effect
i seem to remember reading somewhere that a model will remain on the table until it is allowed its WBB roll, even if it takes more than one round before the roll is made,
obviously, double strength and power weapons will still prevent the WBB (not counting res orb) or if it is the last model of its type on the field,
Oh man i completely forgot about the Dragon of Synkraliix, a worthy foe indeed. I once commanded an army of Maudacian Trolls and encircled a Necron regiment, we were about to deploy our Haralican Clubs when the Dragon of Synkraliix, allied with the Galacian Moonstone, came in and destroyed us with the Galacian Bluefire. We're still carrying the scars from that battle , it's taken us a long time to recover. I bet the Dragon is still out there now...watching us...
I didn't think the dreadnought tactics were usable when the phalanx is protected by the Royal Mystiac Wand though? Maybe I'm wrong and it's only effective when it allies with the Moonstone of Galacia?
Sir you are wrong. The dragon of Synkraliix is the only battle operative able to allie with the galacia. While dreadnought tactics are exciting for me, the real rush comes from Tyranid! My Impreial guards stand in great stead but my Necrons are the driving force behind my elite and superior fighting force!
JimmyGerrard, you're right about the Flair orbs but you missed the detail with the plantain elves,if you look closely he's flanked four of the six legions with the dreadnought tactics, we all hate to see...I'm guessing that the elves would have won that confrontation every time......something i'm keen to play with my son later this evening....keep on hammin'!.
You've got that wrong Dumdahnuts, my Chief Plantain Elf carries the Royal Mystiac Wand and Necron Sceptre which is most highly prized in the Kingdom.
Dumdahnuts, what he's done is taken his Flair Zorbs and put them on the flanks. He's also deployed his Plantain Elves in the centre to avoid the Wizard rays from the Necron Lord...a genius strategy I feel.
It is my understanding that you are not a high enough rank in the Zorb Kingdom and therefore do not posses the authority to correct 'lord doremicom' in his battle formation.
so just wanted to clarify 100% here, say my orks assult and kill 4, fine, they get the WBB rule. unless my nobs have power claws they do not, unless a necron lord is around. but if i get a sweeping advance, even if there is a necron lord around, they dont get it?
I don't see anywhere in the comments where you justify SA casualties being denying a WBB roll. As long as they fulfill all other requirements of the WBB rule, then "would otherwise be removed as a casualty" covers being removed as a casualty by SA.
"Removed by unit" implies that units and models are unrelated. Not according to page 3 of the BRB. Although it would be fun to play a game with that definition, because I'd love to see you remove a unit without touching any of the models.
@kamaeq This was an argument brought when this video was first released. Sweeping advanced is a special condition (as defined on page 40 of the core rule book. The model is not "removed as a casualty" but rather the model is "removed immediately". The Necron codex's WBB was not designed to counter this. Interested in seeing it differently, should not be too long until the new necron codex comes out so you can take your WBB as a feel no pain, which coincidently, does not save you from a SA.
@doremicom "immediately removed" is also used in reference to a model killed by shooting per pg 24. So, by your logic, WBB will be denied there also. The explanatory rule on pg 40 notes a number of different reasons why a unit is removed by SA, all fit the definition of casualty.
It wasn't designed for that in 4th Ed, but we are playing 5th Ed. Necron gauss was designed in 4th Ed to bust vehicles, it doesn't in 5th, nobody seems to have an issue with that change between editions. Why not?
The sweeping advance kills some models. but the ones whe where downed before that (by shooting or the actual close combat attacks) still get their wbb if a unit is within 6".
Waiiiiiit...... If this is true, then if you only hav 1 necron lord on the table....... Even if it has a Rez orb it can't get back up!!! Huuu!
So are you saying not only do you need another lord but it needs to be within 6" of the other when he goes down for the orb to hav any use? Rubbish - Even tho in the codex under Rez orb, it doesn't mention anything to do with an upright warrior needing to be within 6" of other warriors, it only mentions warriors 6" from the lord - & - it states ALL Necro
1. The rules for We'll be back are covered on page 13 of the Necron codex. That's where you'll find the requirement that necrons must be within 6" of another model of the same type.
2. On that same page, they include rules for Necron Lords, and the first thing they say is that Necron Lords DON'T need another model within 6" to self-repair.
so for example, if you get 5 wounds from a power wep, and the lords within 6, and u save 3, but 2 die. cant you then teleport them through the monolith to get another +4?
Annoyingly, Necron models still get their WBB rolls against AP1 and AP2 weapons. The only thing that disallows this is Close combat power weapons, Double strength weapons (Most AP1 and AP2 weapons are strength 8 anyways) and Vortex weapons in apocalypse.
I assume that weapons/abilities that say "REMOVE FROM PLAY" Also ignore WBB. Like (I think) Old Zogworts Curse. and Possibly Boon of mutation...
Wait
DOREMICOM!
Can Necron models get WBB From Boon of mutation? (Chaos Daemons)
If you teleport a squad of necrons with WBB rolls prohibited through a monolit and there is a lord nearby, then BAM, you get WBB rolls. You forgot to mention that :) Otherwise, I didn't spot any errors. And tomb spiders are basicly just ressurrection orbs with legs, but I am not sure, since I never play with tomb spiders. I prefer the Skimmer lord :P
@araphon1 I'm assuming you meant "and there is a lord nearby with a resurrection orb, then BAM, ...."
I'll bet that'd get plenty of people crying foul, though - double dipping on a resurrection orb. I don't see anything in the rules that specifically disallows it, but still....
"Necrons: Our most basic weapon can destroy your most advanced tank. In one shot. This is fair and legal."
thats y I dont like necrons. they completly unfair like seriously,they can resurrect themselves and they have better weapons than anybody else. though I havent played 40K,I bet its goddamn annoying.lol.
hate to break it to u... but the necrons are underpowered and really need a new codex update... everyone thinks they r unfair just because of the fact they get wbb... but they are excluding the amount of points everything costs and the other rules like PHASE OUT... that itself perfectly counter balances the wbb rule. but u prob didnt know that much.
No, we cannot. I guess you haven't bothered reading the 5th ed rulebook? If they are extremely lucky, they may immobilize a vehicle, and that is if they roll two sixes. So... Yeah...
You've clearly been frequenting necron forums who are trying to enforce this rediculous claim. Yes codex trump core rules, but you're pulling your quote out of context. Sweeping advance destroys the entire unit. They are removed from the table there is no WBB roll for that unit. I've addressed this in earlier comments, and Beasts of War video on WBB addresses this issue as well.
Unforutunately for necrons, sweeping advance destroys the unit. With the new codex set to be released soon, a lot of the confusion with WBB will be gone as you'll receive the more universal rule of Feel No Pain. Trust me, I understand why you would want to get a WBB save on a sweeping advance. Necrons, as well as my army (Black Templars) have been left in the relative dust as new codexes have come out with just a ton of new features. When the new Cron codex comes out, you'll be unbeatable.
WBB and Righteous zeal really are great things, but when dealing with multiple Strength 8+ AP1, 2, and 3 pie plates falling from the sky, it's definitely in our opponent's favor. Add to this much cheaper, decked out marines (Space Wolves). I'm really not looking forward to a new codex, I like how mine plays currently, but I wish GW did not treat the rules of this game like it's THAT much of an after thought.
One thing the video seems to imply is that the models that are laying down are considered a squad. They are not. To determine if models can make the WBB roll each must be measured individually. If 5 of the models are in range of a "like model" and one is not then only 5 of them can make the roll, not all 6 just because they were in the same squad before becoming knocked down.
Incorrect. The Tomb Spyder has to be within 12" of the model attempting the WBB roll, yes. However, the "like model" can be anywhere on the battle field as per the codex if the Tomb Spyder is granting the WBB roll attempt. The "like model" does not have to be at any specific distance from the Spyder.
But it also says that the entire unit is being chased down, and killed, without taking saves.. that means it would be from an attack wich instantly killed them, thus not allowing them to take a WBB roll. When they're overrun by a sweeping advance, no matter what they are, if they've got invulnerable saves, special rules or anything else of that matter, they are DESTROYED without anything to say about it, as the rulebook says. Rulebook > Codex. End of story. doremicom is right.
err.... Codex trumps rulebook, as it would be. But you are right. It's been weeks since I posted that. Anyways, you are right because in the necron codex it says it requires an armor save, unless there is a lord with a ressurection orb within range.
you forgot tank shock and just so you know, only the models caught by the sweeping advance are affected, not the ones already down (since they are the ones not running nor being chased).
This point was discussed and dismissed in an earlier comment. The notion of necrons being immune to sweeping advance because they are down would not fly in any tournament situation. This idea grew out of forums due to codex escalation and the necron codex being outdated. check out the earlier comments for details.
Please send me a PM, I'd like to get your thoughts one what I presented incorrectly in this video. The goal is to make rules easier to understand for everyone.
It's very similar and one of the main reasons it'll look like Necrons will get Feel no Pain when their new codex is released. Also to address a lot of confusion that exists in the 3rd edition codex.
rules we get wrong hun? you do get a wbb after a sweeping advance as long if the models were down b4 the sweeping advance because the act as counters and are ignored for all gaming purposes as said on page 13 of necron codex, also you never said that models that pass a wbb join the unit of same type with in 6"
This is an argument that started (with good reason) as codexes have come out that truly trump the necron codex. You're going to reference page 13 and a handful of forum posts where people have argued that it trumps the notion of the base rules because necrons needed a bit of a push. But the reason that page 13 exists is to address concerns of what happens when the necron unit falls back but not caught in a sweeping advance. Not as a means to trump Sweeping Advance.
Wow I use the word trump a lot in my last comment.
In any case, you would never see a necron player try to push forward the notion of sweeping advance not taking out "down" units at an 'Ard Boyz tournament.
When the new 5th edition necron codex comes out, I'm certain they will be completely overpowered again.
You have a great battle report, just saw it. I hope you're not thinking that my video has anything to do with yours. I've been talking with people about making "Rules You Get Wrong" for at least 4 months as an expansion of my 5th edition tutorials that I started a year ago. I just chose We'll be back because I received a ton of PMs requesting it.
You are not kidding, there are some games I've seen at my local gaming store, where the necron player was rolling WBB every turn for necron warriors that went down Turn 1. Another game where a necron player was trying to convince his opponent that after a sweeping advance, he still could roll WBB and bring them from the table edge.
The whole squad teleports through the monolith, and there is a range on that. The squad must be within 18" of the monolith. Sorry if those points are not clear.
this was a helpful video. then the rules changed.
Iodrome 1 month ago
does this still all apply for the new necrons reanimation protocol?
BaldursGate1616 3 months ago
@BaldursGate1616 I'm not sure.... this video was specifically written for the earlier codex. I have not had a chance to review the new codex yet.
doremicom 3 months ago
@BaldursGate1616 No not any more. It completely different now and also better.
MadMax1818 3 months ago
@MadMax1818 yeah but you see.. better is not better for me. Trying to figure out how to kill these buggers.
BaldursGate1616 3 months ago
Whoa around 2:00 that one units like 'IM BACKKK' then 'NOPE STILL I'M BACK'
RevPsychobilly 4 months ago
till now everliving let [ud do so
kevlarcar 4 months ago
There is nothing i can find in the codex about having to remove them from play if there is no unit within 6 "
It even states that damaged necrons cannot be attacked, why would that be said in the codex if you immediatly had to remove them?
also the ressurection orb rules say the Necron Lord is able to augment the self repair system of Necrons within 6 ", all Necrons within 6 " (including the lord himself) may attempt wbb
Was there an FAQ released that changed this ?
Frostrat 4 months ago
where is it stated that necrons do not get wbb for sweeping advance? i cant find it anywhere. i understand that they dont get it if SA is done and their arent models within 6" but i cant see why they wouldnt get it if their WERE models close enough who were not in the assault.
necromancerguy666 5 months ago
@necromancerguy666 sweeping advance rules in 5the edition say the whole unit is destroyed and removed from play, no save or other special rule can save them
Frostrat 4 months ago
the thing is when does the necron roll for WBB? like after the enemy's turn? right after it? and if you use wbb can they move shoot and assault with the newly resurrected units (in the same turn)?
shadowsnip1 6 months ago
@shadowsnip1 necrons role for WBB at the beginning of their turn, not at the end of their enemies turn.
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shadowsnip1 6 months ago
where did you get those rods from? mine are green
BobThePokeMaster 7 months ago
@BobThePokeMaster The necrons belong to a friend of mine. I am not sure where he got them. I'll see if I can find out next Monday (when we're supposed to hang out).
doremicom 7 months ago
@doremicom thanks, theyre really cool
BobThePokeMaster 7 months ago
@BobThePokeMaster miniwargaming sells red, blue and yellow rods.
miniwars123 6 months ago
OK
1.WBB lets you roll to see if a unit will come back. 2.It only takes effect if theres another live unit within 6in. 3.Squad doesn't matter, as long as the model is within 6in of another you can role 4.Melta, or Power weapon kills prevent you from using WBB 5.A resurrection orb lets you roll if something normally prevents it, but only within 6in of the holder. 6.If a monolith is present then squads with units that failed the roll can be sent there 2 try again, unless rule 4. takes effect
GearShotgun 7 months ago
i seem to remember reading somewhere that a model will remain on the table until it is allowed its WBB roll, even if it takes more than one round before the roll is made,
obviously, double strength and power weapons will still prevent the WBB (not counting res orb) or if it is the last model of its type on the field,
vred13v 7 months ago
@vred13v This is not the case.
doremicom 7 months ago
can u theoreticly port infinite units through the mono in 1 turn cuz i had arguments about that recently
CiceroProductionsIII 8 months ago
@CiceroProductionsIII
no, you can only bring one unit through the monolith per turn, whether its a unit in reserves or a unit already on the table
vred13v 7 months ago
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dumdahnuts 9 months ago
Oh man i completely forgot about the Dragon of Synkraliix, a worthy foe indeed. I once commanded an army of Maudacian Trolls and encircled a Necron regiment, we were about to deploy our Haralican Clubs when the Dragon of Synkraliix, allied with the Galacian Moonstone, came in and destroyed us with the Galacian Bluefire. We're still carrying the scars from that battle , it's taken us a long time to recover. I bet the Dragon is still out there now...watching us...
JimmyGerrard 9 months ago
I didn't think the dreadnought tactics were usable when the phalanx is protected by the Royal Mystiac Wand though? Maybe I'm wrong and it's only effective when it allies with the Moonstone of Galacia?
JimmyGerrard 9 months ago
@JimmyGerrard
Sir you are wrong. The dragon of Synkraliix is the only battle operative able to allie with the galacia. While dreadnought tactics are exciting for me, the real rush comes from Tyranid! My Impreial guards stand in great stead but my Necrons are the driving force behind my elite and superior fighting force!
dumdahnuts 9 months ago
JimmyGerrard, you're right about the Flair orbs but you missed the detail with the plantain elves,if you look closely he's flanked four of the six legions with the dreadnought tactics, we all hate to see...I'm guessing that the elves would have won that confrontation every time......something i'm keen to play with my son later this evening....keep on hammin'!.
NecronSoldierlord 9 months ago
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You've got that wrong Dumdahnuts, my Chief Plantain Elf carries the Royal Mystiac Wand and Necron Sceptre which is most highly prized in the Kingdom.
JimmyGerrard 9 months ago
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JimmyGerrard 9 months ago
Dumdahnuts, what he's done is taken his Flair Zorbs and put them on the flanks. He's also deployed his Plantain Elves in the centre to avoid the Wizard rays from the Necron Lord...a genius strategy I feel.
JimmyGerrard 9 months ago
@JimmyGerrard
It is my understanding that you are not a high enough rank in the Zorb Kingdom and therefore do not posses the authority to correct 'lord doremicom' in his battle formation.
dumdahnuts 9 months ago
I like what you're doing with your necron soldiers. Whats your battle formation? Im not familiar with this state of play!
dumdahnuts 9 months ago
Instant death negates WBB, it works similarly to feel no pain.
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wooo got it all right the first time
CiceroProductionsIII 1 year ago
so if I got a group of 12 necron warriors 5 dies they feail ther will be back and then they got a new 4+ chanse to come back so **** cool
enigeto 1 year ago
I want to play necrons but my greatest fear are drones who will take over THE earth
Is that wierd?
colboy1fish 1 year ago
so just wanted to clarify 100% here, say my orks assult and kill 4, fine, they get the WBB rule. unless my nobs have power claws they do not, unless a necron lord is around. but if i get a sweeping advance, even if there is a necron lord around, they dont get it?
bangel1414 1 year ago
I don't see anywhere in the comments where you justify SA casualties being denying a WBB roll. As long as they fulfill all other requirements of the WBB rule, then "would otherwise be removed as a casualty" covers being removed as a casualty by SA.
"Removed by unit" implies that units and models are unrelated. Not according to page 3 of the BRB. Although it would be fun to play a game with that definition, because I'd love to see you remove a unit without touching any of the models.
kamaeq 1 year ago
@kamaeq This was an argument brought when this video was first released. Sweeping advanced is a special condition (as defined on page 40 of the core rule book. The model is not "removed as a casualty" but rather the model is "removed immediately". The Necron codex's WBB was not designed to counter this. Interested in seeing it differently, should not be too long until the new necron codex comes out so you can take your WBB as a feel no pain, which coincidently, does not save you from a SA.
doremicom 1 year ago
@doremicom "immediately removed" is also used in reference to a model killed by shooting per pg 24. So, by your logic, WBB will be denied there also. The explanatory rule on pg 40 notes a number of different reasons why a unit is removed by SA, all fit the definition of casualty.
It wasn't designed for that in 4th Ed, but we are playing 5th Ed. Necron gauss was designed in 4th Ed to bust vehicles, it doesn't in 5th, nobody seems to have an issue with that change between editions. Why not?
kamaeq 1 year ago
@doremicom
The sweeping advance kills some models. but the ones whe where downed before that (by shooting or the actual close combat attacks) still get their wbb if a unit is within 6".
Foulont 7 months ago
@Foulont This has not been held up by a GW FAQ. Sweeping advance removes the models that are down.
doremicom 7 months ago
Hey those were my guys!! :D
Key word here: Were.
shortsonfire79 1 year ago
@shortsonfire79 And the sword brethren are used quite a lot. Thanks!!!
doremicom 1 year ago
@doremicom Thats awesome. :) Are they any good in game?
shortsonfire79 1 year ago
@shortsonfire79 oh yeah....
check out: youtube video : CobRTzEOQFc
it's the three way battle between BT/Necrons/IG
doremicom 1 year ago
Waiiiiiit...... If this is true, then if you only hav 1 necron lord on the table....... Even if it has a Rez orb it can't get back up!!! Huuu!
So are you saying not only do you need another lord but it needs to be within 6" of the other when he goes down for the orb to hav any use? Rubbish - Even tho in the codex under Rez orb, it doesn't mention anything to do with an upright warrior needing to be within 6" of other warriors, it only mentions warriors 6" from the lord - & - it states ALL Necro
dansystem69 1 year ago
@dansystem69
1. The rules for We'll be back are covered on page 13 of the Necron codex. That's where you'll find the requirement that necrons must be within 6" of another model of the same type.
2. On that same page, they include rules for Necron Lords, and the first thing they say is that Necron Lords DON'T need another model within 6" to self-repair.
Mynbruje 1 year ago
@Mynbruje Thank you for explaining all of this
doremicom 1 year ago
so for example, if you get 5 wounds from a power wep, and the lords within 6, and u save 3, but 2 die. cant you then teleport them through the monolith to get another +4?
Adrian890722 1 year ago
haha my lil bro loves spacemarines but i keep tellin him that necrons will always win. this is one reason hahaha
drumskater337 1 year ago
at 1:59 and 2:01 we can see the reason why we hate necrons! :D
TWICE!
tordenskrald 1 year ago
@123jonnydark only with a res orb within 6"
TheSugaShanesta 1 year ago
Um, just a comment....
Could you not talk in that tone? Please?
It sounds like you are saying that you are better than us (reaaalllly annoying!).
Fockersd 1 year ago
are your warriors metal? They look pimp with the red gauss barrel. PIMP!
Balgore8 1 year ago
@123jonnydark
Annoyingly, Necron models still get their WBB rolls against AP1 and AP2 weapons. The only thing that disallows this is Close combat power weapons, Double strength weapons (Most AP1 and AP2 weapons are strength 8 anyways) and Vortex weapons in apocalypse.
I assume that weapons/abilities that say "REMOVE FROM PLAY" Also ignore WBB. Like (I think) Old Zogworts Curse. and Possibly Boon of mutation...
Wait
DOREMICOM!
Can Necron models get WBB From Boon of mutation? (Chaos Daemons)
DtDust 1 year ago
If you teleport a squad of necrons with WBB rolls prohibited through a monolit and there is a lord nearby, then BAM, you get WBB rolls. You forgot to mention that :) Otherwise, I didn't spot any errors. And tomb spiders are basicly just ressurrection orbs with legs, but I am not sure, since I never play with tomb spiders. I prefer the Skimmer lord :P
araphon1 2 years ago
@araphon1 I'm assuming you meant "and there is a lord nearby with a resurrection orb, then BAM, ...."
I'll bet that'd get plenty of people crying foul, though - double dipping on a resurrection orb. I don't see anything in the rules that specifically disallows it, but still....
necron20 1 year ago
That warrior who, with no moving parts, stood back up twice when you pushed him over, is a pro.
I wish my models did that.
HotnessTim 2 years ago
@HotnessTim Lol i totally agree
Skrakjaw7 2 years ago
@HotnessTim its magnetized
xXMonteCristoXx 1 year ago
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this guy is an idiot if u read the rule book some of the things he says here are wrong
afi2022 2 years ago
"Necrons: Our most basic weapon can destroy your most advanced tank. In one shot. This is fair and legal."
thats y I dont like necrons. they completly unfair like seriously,they can resurrect themselves and they have better weapons than anybody else. though I havent played 40K,I bet its goddamn annoying.lol.
StarwarsGeek10 2 years ago
well considering that the Imperial Guard have a baneblade and necrons dont have awesome vechiles. i think all armies r the same in a different way
Dexelator 2 years ago
*cough* Monolith is the best tank out there *cough*
xDRoiiDz 2 years ago
hate to break it to u... but the necrons are underpowered and really need a new codex update... everyone thinks they r unfair just because of the fact they get wbb... but they are excluding the amount of points everything costs and the other rules like PHASE OUT... that itself perfectly counter balances the wbb rule. but u prob didnt know that much.
xDRoiiDz 2 years ago
@StarwarsGeek10
No, we cannot. I guess you haven't bothered reading the 5th ed rulebook? If they are extremely lucky, they may immobilize a vehicle, and that is if they roll two sixes. So... Yeah...
araphon1 2 years ago
@StarwarsGeek10 They are 18 points a piece.
ratrat101 2 years ago
How does a sweeping advance work. I read the rule but am still confused as to how it works
BrockUman 2 years ago
Necrons can get up on a sweep.
Rulebook says: "the models will be removed from play as if they were reduced to 0 wounds"
Codex says: "any models removed from play when reduced to 0 wounds may get WBB"
Or something like that.
colorless100 2 years ago
After a sweeping advance, Necrons are not allowed a WBB roll.
doremicom 2 years ago
Is this in the rulebook?
colorless100 2 years ago
yes, but I don't have the books with me so I can't give you a reference page.
doremicom 2 years ago
Quote straight from codex: "...or would otherwise be removed as a casualty..."
Codex trumps core.
colorless100 2 years ago
You've clearly been frequenting necron forums who are trying to enforce this rediculous claim. Yes codex trump core rules, but you're pulling your quote out of context. Sweeping advance destroys the entire unit. They are removed from the table there is no WBB roll for that unit. I've addressed this in earlier comments, and Beasts of War video on WBB addresses this issue as well.
doremicom 2 years ago
It is not the forums that convinced me. We decided this at a game when my warrior squad got swept before. If we're wrong, tell me >.>
colorless100 2 years ago
Unforutunately for necrons, sweeping advance destroys the unit. With the new codex set to be released soon, a lot of the confusion with WBB will be gone as you'll receive the more universal rule of Feel No Pain. Trust me, I understand why you would want to get a WBB save on a sweeping advance. Necrons, as well as my army (Black Templars) have been left in the relative dust as new codexes have come out with just a ton of new features. When the new Cron codex comes out, you'll be unbeatable.
doremicom 2 years ago
WBB or FNP (as the "internet noobs" call it): WBB wins. End of story.
and...>_> Sure, just like the Black Templars, when they pass leadership, fall towards the opponent, making them super weak.
colorless100 2 years ago
WBB and Righteous zeal really are great things, but when dealing with multiple Strength 8+ AP1, 2, and 3 pie plates falling from the sky, it's definitely in our opponent's favor. Add to this much cheaper, decked out marines (Space Wolves). I'm really not looking forward to a new codex, I like how mine plays currently, but I wish GW did not treat the rules of this game like it's THAT much of an after thought.
doremicom 2 years ago
Like everything contradicts itself? I do not know what Righteous zeal is...
But I understand everything else. Sounds like a fragment though.
colorless100 2 years ago
dont forget that if only one guy is in 6 inches only he, not his squad,is turned up right
Altier215 2 years ago
are those black templars on bigger bases? are you llegally allowed to do that?
JoltenJoetaco 2 years ago
the bases can go up is size and it will be ok you just cant put a something like a Daemon prince on two small bases
MortisLegio 2 years ago
One thing the video seems to imply is that the models that are laying down are considered a squad. They are not. To determine if models can make the WBB roll each must be measured individually. If 5 of the models are in range of a "like model" and one is not then only 5 of them can make the roll, not all 6 just because they were in the same squad before becoming knocked down.
Tigerheart01 2 years ago
not just black templars
Colenelnelson 2 years ago
SUCH an annoying rule
jennaofthecuckooclan 2 years ago
Spiders extend the range to 12", still need a model of the same type within range
Brrracka 2 years ago
Thank you for answering the Tomb Spider question.
doremicom 2 years ago
Incorrect. The Tomb Spyder has to be within 12" of the model attempting the WBB roll, yes. However, the "like model" can be anywhere on the battle field as per the codex if the Tomb Spyder is granting the WBB roll attempt. The "like model" does not have to be at any specific distance from the Spyder.
Tigerheart01 2 years ago
Wrong. If the tomb spyder is within 12" of a necron model and there are any stanidng necrons on the table they get it. Sorry to rain on your parade.
colorless100 2 years ago
But it also says that the entire unit is being chased down, and killed, without taking saves.. that means it would be from an attack wich instantly killed them, thus not allowing them to take a WBB roll. When they're overrun by a sweeping advance, no matter what they are, if they've got invulnerable saves, special rules or anything else of that matter, they are DESTROYED without anything to say about it, as the rulebook says. Rulebook > Codex. End of story. doremicom is right.
Gemini138 2 years ago
err.... Codex trumps rulebook, as it would be. But you are right. It's been weeks since I posted that. Anyways, you are right because in the necron codex it says it requires an armor save, unless there is a lord with a ressurection orb within range.
colorless100 2 years ago
whats so special about a tomb spider?
TheServant777 2 years ago
A tomb spider can affect the 6" like model rule. But I don't currently have the necron codex so I can't give you details.
doremicom 2 years ago
1:59, lol, that Necron's too eager to be back.
Vehementi 2 years ago
will there be another episode?
Karskin145 2 years ago
There will be another episode, but it'll be a little bit, too many things on my plate right now.
doremicom 2 years ago
Congrats for being the runner up for the Miniwargaming Video competition.
redeye117 2 years ago
thank you!!!
doremicom 2 years ago
you forgot tank shock and just so you know, only the models caught by the sweeping advance are affected, not the ones already down (since they are the ones not running nor being chased).
C454D 2 years ago
This point was discussed and dismissed in an earlier comment. The notion of necrons being immune to sweeping advance because they are down would not fly in any tournament situation. This idea grew out of forums due to codex escalation and the necron codex being outdated. check out the earlier comments for details.
doremicom 2 years ago
Make more videos or will send some Nobz to your house!!!!
Jaiyeson 2 years ago
fantastic! i hope this becomes a long running series!
heylookitsmatt 2 years ago
thanks you very much for that i really helps me to kill there ass now
tedarkness 2 years ago
congrats for 2nd
jeddy158 2 years ago
thank you!!!
doremicom 2 years ago
I'm liking the end. "Have a good one!"
Very informative video. The more you make the more I understand Warhammer 40k! (Please make more).
KhannKlan 2 years ago
lolol at 2:01 that Necron is already coming back, he's not ready to go yet!
Thanks for the vid btw, very informative and clear! GL in the comp!
blasphemy133 2 years ago
Woops I meant 1:59
blasphemy133 2 years ago
Please send me a PM, I'd like to get your thoughts one what I presented incorrectly in this video. The goal is to make rules easier to understand for everyone.
doremicom 2 years ago
It's very similar and one of the main reasons it'll look like Necrons will get Feel no Pain when their new codex is released. Also to address a lot of confusion that exists in the 3rd edition codex.
doremicom 2 years ago
rules we get wrong hun? you do get a wbb after a sweeping advance as long if the models were down b4 the sweeping advance because the act as counters and are ignored for all gaming purposes as said on page 13 of necron codex, also you never said that models that pass a wbb join the unit of same type with in 6"
bealenathan 2 years ago
This is an argument that started (with good reason) as codexes have come out that truly trump the necron codex. You're going to reference page 13 and a handful of forum posts where people have argued that it trumps the notion of the base rules because necrons needed a bit of a push. But the reason that page 13 exists is to address concerns of what happens when the necron unit falls back but not caught in a sweeping advance. Not as a means to trump Sweeping Advance.
doremicom 2 years ago
Wow I use the word trump a lot in my last comment.
In any case, you would never see a necron player try to push forward the notion of sweeping advance not taking out "down" units at an 'Ard Boyz tournament.
When the new 5th edition necron codex comes out, I'm certain they will be completely overpowered again.
doremicom 2 years ago
good movie!! very nice made and very informative :D
makalevi 2 years ago
Thank you so much!!!
doremicom 2 years ago
Hmmmm... wonder where they got this idea from?
IrenBear 2 years ago
You have a great battle report, just saw it. I hope you're not thinking that my video has anything to do with yours. I've been talking with people about making "Rules You Get Wrong" for at least 4 months as an expansion of my 5th edition tutorials that I started a year ago. I just chose We'll be back because I received a ton of PMs requesting it.
Good luck with the video competition.
doremicom 2 years ago
Naw, I was just joking around. Clearly its a rule people get wrong. Its all good
IrenBear 2 years ago
You are not kidding, there are some games I've seen at my local gaming store, where the necron player was rolling WBB every turn for necron warriors that went down Turn 1. Another game where a necron player was trying to convince his opponent that after a sweeping advance, he still could roll WBB and bring them from the table edge.
doremicom 2 years ago
Nice vid.
PCRedman 2 years ago
At the VERY end you used "roles" instead of "rolls" in the text.
And for all those who are interested... pre·clude
Pronunciation: \pri-ˈklüd\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): pre·clud·ed; pre·clud·ing
1 archaic : close
2 : to make impossible by necessary consequence : rule out in advance
=D
When can RO rolls be made? And how many times per turn? Like once per unit, or once per turn altogether?
MylesTheTroll 2 years ago
Nice, did they accept it into the video contest?
Lootaful 2 years ago
I'm not sure.
doremicom 2 years ago
I know on one of my videos they commented on it. It seems like you followed all the rules.
Lootaful 2 years ago
If they teleport through the Mono and make their second WBB... where to you place the models? what if their unit is 12" away?
frankpaola 2 years ago
The whole squad teleports through the monolith, and there is a range on that. The squad must be within 18" of the monolith. Sorry if those points are not clear.
doremicom 2 years ago
Lol this is fantastic! the intro is too good.
hope u win!
wargamepainting 2 years ago
Thanks!!!
doremicom 2 years ago
Thanks, this is the first video I've been able to truly test it out on.
doremicom 2 years ago
Good vid. Might be worth talking about Tomb Spyders...even if you don't a model. :)
OneTon101 2 years ago
mwhaha they will not be bakc
Number1GamerAsh 2 years ago
wicked tutorial - thanks!
saviourzeroone 2 years ago
Good Stuff !
Best of Luck:)
stumpythumper 2 years ago
Thanks Stumpy!!!
doremicom 2 years ago
very nice info ..cool vid
demonokron 2 years ago