I would imagine it would be incredibly difficult to bring this off, but what a lovely tight and clean performance this is. As I have got older, I really appreciate this music a lot more than in my youth....the soundscape is incredible, you juswt have to listen in a different way.
I dont see how this is ugly. It doesnt sound as random as other modern musicians. I get it when people find Stockhausen amorphous and random, but Berio's expression isnt hard to discern.
@John11inch You're right, I had actually tried to say the thing, in a compatibilist and partly Leibnizian sense. It was very very partly Leibnizian, and I don't want to mess it up :) I'd written that post in a minute or so, without thinking so much about it, and I now realise that Leibniz has nothing to do with the issue, except his understanding of the good, which I actually wanted to refer to... Btw, is my English that bad? :D
@RogueRotting360 Nothing prevents any sound, or anything in general, from being "fine". The way one handles the term makes the difference.
What I wanted to stress was that the commonly-fine-considered music is "brighter and purer" as you citated :) No one may not call that (or anything) "bad" in that sense. It's of course "fine music". But Mozart is way "more fine" :)
In Hebrew there is a saying: "אל טעם ועל ריח אין להתווכח" which means that you should not argue about tastes and preference... especially of you choose to hear this kind of music...
Nobody cares; if something's worth saying, then just say it. As well, nobody is talking about personal preference. If people are going to make the unequivocal statement that this *is* bad music, or that this *isn't* music, those statements can be logically refuted.
I feel that logical refuted expressions from our human experience is open to interpretation .There are many out here on "ItsAllAboutMeTube" out for an educated battle of words.
What makes this channel interesting is the many uploads you are sharing here. I like the Berio Concerto.Maurizio P.has been one of my favorite pianists for quite some time
@61rmd1 Exactly. Only Leibniz would call this beautiful but that wouldn't be of importance in common sense since he calls everything that.
Which I actually believe in, in a very deep sense. This also means that beauty is the most common thing in the universe, that universe is "beautiful". Hence what we commonly call fine music might actually be just a brighter and purer place of that so-called divine beauty of existence.
This piece is noise made of sound. A reflection of the old classical :)
Your post is otherwise nonsensical and seems to have no correlary goal (possibly an issue with your English, but not solely, from what I can tell), but your statement regarding Leibniz is utterly and factually inaccurate. Leibniz believed in a causal, objective theory of beauty ("Principles of Nature and Grace"). Specific to music, he believed beauty in music was determined by an "agreement of numbers," referring to agreeable harmonic structure. None of that here.
Pollini was socialist and interested in modern art and politics from the beginning & he still plays SCIARRINO,NONO etc. in public.SO YES <the informed person would expect POLLINI to play this music.HIS POWER is he gets DG record it. HIS FAME can allow new ideas to procreate.I bought his BoulezWebern cd over 20 years ago out of curiosity.STRAVINSKy was easy to like the Webern took years of more education and living! Now i cant live w/out Babbit, Ferneyhough,Sciarrino etc.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GRAN GRABACIÓN
leoncioviolin 3 weeks ago
I would imagine it would be incredibly difficult to bring this off, but what a lovely tight and clean performance this is. As I have got older, I really appreciate this music a lot more than in my youth....the soundscape is incredible, you juswt have to listen in a different way.
oboist3 5 months ago
It's beautiful.
Wex1117 7 months ago
beh certo, tra simili....
bilardone 8 months ago
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horrontologist 8 months ago
I dont see how this is ugly. It doesnt sound as random as other modern musicians. I get it when people find Stockhausen amorphous and random, but Berio's expression isnt hard to discern.
NevinJarek 10 months ago
@NevinJarek Well, at least for me, not being randomly placed isn't enough to sound beautiful, considering a note.
animumaurarium 9 months ago
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@John11inch You're right, I had actually tried to say the thing, in a compatibilist and partly Leibnizian sense. It was very very partly Leibnizian, and I don't want to mess it up :) I'd written that post in a minute or so, without thinking so much about it, and I now realise that Leibniz has nothing to do with the issue, except his understanding of the good, which I actually wanted to refer to... Btw, is my English that bad? :D
animumaurarium 10 months ago
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@RogueRotting360 Nothing prevents any sound, or anything in general, from being "fine". The way one handles the term makes the difference.
What I wanted to stress was that the commonly-fine-considered music is "brighter and purer" as you citated :) No one may not call that (or anything) "bad" in that sense. It's of course "fine music". But Mozart is way "more fine" :)
animumaurarium 10 months ago
pollini? really? year? place?
thanks!
New4785689 11 months ago
I initially had some reservations about this piece , but hearing it at home on my B&W 602 speakers with dimmed lights , it opened a new world .
Although more perfumed than Stocky , Berio produced some deep shit.
FenderRhodesService 1 year ago
Phenomenal.
cjdarnieder 1 year ago
In Hebrew there is a saying: "אל טעם ועל ריח אין להתווכח" which means that you should not argue about tastes and preference... especially of you choose to hear this kind of music...
I don't like this kind of music. ;-)
guyamit531 1 year ago
Nobody cares; if something's worth saying, then just say it. As well, nobody is talking about personal preference. If people are going to make the unequivocal statement that this *is* bad music, or that this *isn't* music, those statements can be logically refuted.
John11inch 1 year ago 5
@John11inch
I feel that logical refuted expressions from our human experience is open to interpretation .There are many out here on "ItsAllAboutMeTube" out for an educated battle of words.
What makes this channel interesting is the many uploads you are sharing here. I like the Berio Concerto.Maurizio P.has been one of my favorite pianists for quite some time
dreampoets 1 month ago
@dreampoets
There is nothing subjective about logic.
John11inch 1 month ago
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may I say that it's disgusting? :61rmd1
Sure, but if you don't say why, nobody cares: john11inch
I kept trying to think of a better reply...John11inch wins!
MrBelfry666 1 year ago
It is like some parts of Petrouchka..
Katamanteuomos 1 year ago
may I say that it's disgusting?
61rmd1 1 year ago
Sure, but if you don't say why, nobody cares.
John11inch 1 year ago 20
@John11inch simply because the Fourier spectra of this is similar to noise; it's innatural.
61rmd1 1 year ago
@61rmd1 Exactly. Only Leibniz would call this beautiful but that wouldn't be of importance in common sense since he calls everything that.
Which I actually believe in, in a very deep sense. This also means that beauty is the most common thing in the universe, that universe is "beautiful". Hence what we commonly call fine music might actually be just a brighter and purer place of that so-called divine beauty of existence.
This piece is noise made of sound. A reflection of the old classical :)
animumaurarium 11 months ago
@animumaurarium
Your post is otherwise nonsensical and seems to have no correlary goal (possibly an issue with your English, but not solely, from what I can tell), but your statement regarding Leibniz is utterly and factually inaccurate. Leibniz believed in a causal, objective theory of beauty ("Principles of Nature and Grace"). Specific to music, he believed beauty in music was determined by an "agreement of numbers," referring to agreeable harmonic structure. None of that here.
John11inch 11 months ago
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animumaurarium 10 months ago
@animumaurarium All music is "noise made of sound."
'Hence what we commonly call fine music might actually be just a brighter and purer place of that so-called divine beauty of existence.'
And what stops this from being "fine music" in some infallible objective sense?
It has structure, movement, variation, and colour.
RogueRotting360 11 months ago
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animumaurarium 10 months ago
Great! I love this concerto!
hexatonico 1 year ago
orchestra? conductor?
goodmanmusica 1 year ago
Pollini was socialist and interested in modern art and politics from the beginning & he still plays SCIARRINO,NONO etc. in public.SO YES <the informed person would expect POLLINI to play this music.HIS POWER is he gets DG record it. HIS FAME can allow new ideas to procreate.I bought his BoulezWebern cd over 20 years ago out of curiosity.STRAVINSKy was easy to like the Webern took years of more education and living! Now i cant live w/out Babbit, Ferneyhough,Sciarrino etc.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lovesGenet 1 year ago
Prrrrrreeeetttyyyy.
SimonKinland 1 year ago
molto grazie !
flammesombres 2 years ago 3
You wouldn't think that Pollini would play this kind of music.
pookiehohn 2 years ago
Pollini often performs the works of Boulez, Berio, Nono and Stockhausen.
John11inch 2 years ago 3
@John11inch ....and not to mention Schoenberg and Alban Berg.
TheSilentSon 1 year ago
Oh, ok.
Thanks.
emilygclarinet 2 years ago
Nice music, whatever it is.
emilygclarinet 2 years ago 5
Reload.
John11inch 2 years ago