@Vanyaaynav And, ultimately, the CH-47 wouldn't be used AROUND THE WORLD, BY MULTIPLE MILITARIES, if it didn't work. It's why nobody else uses the V22, it doesn't really work lol.
You've got to be pretty dumb to think the Ch-47 is a total piece of crap when it's used across the world, holds plenty of reccords, and is so strong that it can take alot of abuse before going down. People wouldn't use it if it wasn't good :/
@Vanyaaynav There's plenty of pictures and stories of Mi-26 crashes on google. Heck, Wikipedia lists 7 of the most noteworthy. And it's not as capable as the Ch-47, which is designed to be multirole. The Mi-26, first and foremost, is a heavy lift helo. It's not economical to use it for much more than that.
And american helicopters transfer themselves just fine. No helicopter is immune to accidents and mistakes, and thus even our awesome CH-47s and your giant Mi-26's crash sometimes.
@Vanyaaynav You know, for all your faith in russian engineers, the Mi-26 has an ABYSMAL crash rate.
And you cant even compare it to the Chinook. They're two different classes of helicopter. The Mi-26 is nothing but a heavy lift helicopter. The CH-47 is more of a multirole type, capable in all areas. And it's faster :3
Oh, and as for all those "Ch-47 being carried by an Mi-26" stories, the Ch-47's took a serious beating to be brought down. More than an Mi-26 could ever withstand.
@Vanyaaynav "and consequently even in Afghanistan the Russian technics transfers the American technics." I cant understand that bit of broken english :/
And as for googling those things, why should i? The Chinook holds numerous world reccords and has an absolutely outstanding service reccord. Heck, watch this. /watch?v=TmkEKbegTvE
That's a chinook lifting A WHOLE BRIDGE on it's own. Go ahead and insult the Chinook, it's reccord speaks for it's self.
@Vanyaaynav Your friends dad lied :/. The Mil design bureau even describes it as a "Heavy lift helicopter capable of carrying large components". And there's simply no reason for using the Mi-12 for anything civilian, when smaller, much more economical helicopters could get the job done much faster. And the V22s problems aren't from it's engineers. You cant exactly "Fix" the V22's problems without making it bigger. It's not their fault the military wanted something impossible to make.
@Vanyaaynav You know what, you're just some ignorant patriotic russian fuckhead who wont admit to anything that might be 'hurtful' to his glorious mother fucking russia, dismissing the truth as "propaganda" even when RUSSIAN SOURCES cite it as a missile parts carrier.
And tell me you Russian fuck, where's russia's attempt at a twin rotor Vtol? Oh wait, there isn't one, because they cant fucking figure it out either! If our engineers are "unqualified", yours are just plain retarded.
@Vanyaaynav And, seriously, do think we'd contract engineers who are not qualified to build aircraft? That's just plain stupid! And if you think that, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
The V22 only has ONE flaw, but it's a BIG flaw, and it's in it's stability. It's simply too small for that much power and such big rotors.
@Vanyaaynav Well the whole of the soviet union didn't design it. Russians did. They were made by Mil helicopter plant in moscow for crying out loud! And i've got dozens of russian sources that also cite the Mi-12 as being a carrier for missile parts. Besides, Russia is well known for their heavy lift helicopters. ALL of their heavy lift helos are designed for both military and civilian applications. The Mi-12 is no exceptio.
@Vanyaaynav And the reason behind the V-22 not being designed as capable as it could be, with wider wings and tail? That simple. There's basic size and weight limitations it has to meet. The V-22 is about as good as you can get for something that small with twin tiltrotors.
A good example of how larger is better in this case, look up the XC-142, a 4 engined tiltwing Vtol. It was stable and could vertically take off with no problems simply because it's size gives it greater control.
@Vanyaaynav And the V22's problems has nothing to do with the "Absence of qualified engineers". All our engineers are qualified, they have to be by law.
The V-22's problems are actually caused by the sheer lack of control surfaces. The wing, tail and rudders are too small for that much rotor. If the V-22 had a slightly bigger wing and tail, it'd be far more stable.
@Vanyaaynav What does a heavy lift helo from the 1960's have to do with a compound helicopter built in the modern day?
And the v22 was hardly a FAILED project. The idea does work. It's just got a high failure rate is all. Not to mention it was pretty much rushed in it's final stages of development. And besides, there's nothing else like it in existance. Russia cant even get close to making something so complicated like the V-22.
@Vanyaaynav Soviet project, russian project, you get my point. And the Mi-12 WAS created for the carrying of missile components. The Mi-12 was a heavy lift design, obviously, and the 'investigation and recovery of oil and gas' and 'carrying technics' could be done by a much smaller, faster craft.
The Mi-12 is OBVIOUSLY built for heavy lifting. and EVERY online resource states that to be it's purpose. I think you're the one who doesn't know anything about it here :P
@Vanyaaynav The Mi-12 testifies to Russia's total obsession of aircraft designed for specific purposes, to the point that carrying an internal payload or passengers couldn't save many of their designs from being cancelled.
Oh, and fun fact: the Mi-12 was actually designed to carry missile components and drop them into silos where transporting the same load by truck was simply impossible. So, despite that internal cargo bay, it didn't need it for it's designed purpose :3
@Vanyaaynav Um, the Russians considered the Mi-12 super impractical too. It's why only two were built and one survives today :/. Twin transverse rotor helicopters generally offer no real advantage over other designs. For example, the Mi-26 has a maximum takeoff weight of over 50,000 lbs. Whereas the Mi-12 can only handle 30,000 lbs, and it cant even vertically take off fully loaded!
Technically it is a different aircraft: osprey is a tilt rotor, where Mi is still a helicopter.
I agree osprey doesn't have such an epic proportions and had quite a few bloody fails in the past, but it effectively combines the best of the two: plane speed and helicopter's vertical takeoff/hover.
Plus it is a fix blade rotor - less complex than a helicopter blade.
I was lucky enough to get a tour round Monino a couple of years ago. Our guide a retired TU 28 pilot explained that this aircraft was built for the specific purpose of carrying nuclear missiles around. Slung under the fuselage they would be invisible to U.S. overflights. Seen in the flesh they really are massive. At the time of my visit the prototype SU 27 flanker was parked underneath it.
This thing was cancelled because at the same time they got An-22 with twice the payload and capability to use any flat piece of land as a landing strip. An-22 was also cheaper, much more reliable and easier for piloting.
The comrades. They have to make everything huge. Those things are modern marvels but j can't figure how useless is this aircraft because is heavy and it would be dangerous and cuz the fly hour in this machine maybe will have an average cost of maybe 20.000$ grand if it isnt more
@TheJackson4eva yes like fallout, dumbass? and its real? wow shit and I thought it was a new fuckin video game.....gosh i feel dumb....thank you SO MUCH for tell me this video im watching is real.
I'm trying think of the advantage of a transverse twin rotor over a tandem twin rotor and can't think of any. What is the advantage of this design over that of, say a Chinook? This has more drag, a larger footprint and the lifting surfaces are not integral to the fuselage. Also, the rotor diameter is limited to their distance apart instead of having a stepped rotor in the manner of a Chinook. Transverse rotors. Why?!?!
Both designs have their advantages. This arrangement provides more lifting surfaces during forward movement and its belly can be more angled relative to the rotors since its blades won't intersect. Also, stepping reduces lift in the region of overlap (a little), while this arrangement both eliminates that lift loss and minimizes lift loss due to downward airflow hitting the hull. Dyssemetry of lift also doesn't bother this birds flight characteristics either.
@ExAstris37 Excellent! Thanks for the info. I see all of your points but two. The stepped rotor only loses lift while in hover. Also during hover, the downward airflow hits the fixed wings in the exact manner they would the fuselage, so I don't see advantage there. Further, Asymetric lift in a tandem rotor would be much less catastrophic than with a transverse rotor. If a trailing or leading rotor were autorotating, it would have less effect than a left or right rotor, don't you think?
True, downward airflow does hit the fixed wing, but it isn't nearly as thick as the fuselage, so there is less loss. And the stepping lift loss in hover is fairly important for a chopper designed solely to lift the most ridiculous loads ever, but it is moot for a mid-large lift chopper like the Chinook. So again, both designs have advantages (though fairly small differences).
Oh, and assymetrical lift would effect both helicopters the same per rotor, but given their locations, the torque induction on the transverse system would be self countering, while the Chinnok will have the front trying to twist over left and the back tring to twist over right, instead of left twist left and right twist right.
But yeah, for general helicopter use, the Chinook layout is probably better, but for max lift, transverse isn't a terrible idea.
@ExAstris37 Excellent! Thanks for the info. I've been wondering about these things ever since I first saw this thing back in the mid-80's. It's an amazing aircraft. Too bad they only made two.
@ExAstris37 I would suggest that the advantages of a transverse design are negated by the increased weight, drag, complexity and footprint. It's much easier to simply mount the rotors fore and aft, eh?
It's nice but highly infective. They turned a cargo plane into a rotary wing aircraft when using a cargo plane to begin with would be faster and safer. But hey its very innovative.
@jmantheburninator They didn't take it any further because it was absolutely useless. airplanes like the Antonov An-225 could carry much more cargo, were faster and safer. even smaller cargo planes which can land at almost every commercial airport (the an-225 can't) are more usefull than this beast. eventhough i still think this was one of the greatest mad soviet innovations ever.
Being from Latvia, which has always been a football between the US and Russia - both big power obsessed nations are actually the same - filled with pride about their nation so sick that the border between patriotism and national arrogance has already been crossed. It is the same as two idiots in a bar fighting about who's going to bang the local whore.
@tedparkes When you talk about the biggest, you just can`y argue. There are facts.
When you talk about the best, you can argue. About submarines, planes and such i must tell you - most of the best are definitely not american. And USA is not the best country - aggressive, primitive, unhealthy, unfair. What is the best country anyway?
And why did you start talking about USA to begin with? Video`s about russian heli.
@AznDuD333 Its to fucking easy to blame the "fat" U.S. citizens, like we are at fault for our shitty government and its actions... Instead of talking mindless bullshit, why not try to recognize some of the generosity that comes out of the U.S. citizens? WE donate millions to causes around the world, yet all I ever see is negative shit talking from people like you. You sound like a butt hurt little fucking hater. Quit acting like a little bitch...
i thought it was in your textbooks that you are responsible for what your country does, what else are you gonna do then? sit there and blame your government? apparently theres a voting system...and there are a lot of things u can do to stop them...probably..if you don't get taken by your "secret services" first
it's also easy for idiots to defend their country's fame by making stuff up, oh were so peaceful..we first take down russia, then we take down the middle east, and we make this whole world a peaceful place
oh come on gimme a break... a recent survey has shown more than 40% canadians despises americans..theres a reason why even your neighbour hates you.
@AznDuD333 also, what did I make up? You don;t make sense man... Try to focus a little more when you read and post comments or people are going to think you are retarded.
@Fulcrum22 <<<--- now: 787 = american, china - nothing but cheap labor. if US had to build every component of the 787 on its own soil it would no doubt, because it has the technology. but if the chinese had to manufacture anything as sophisticated as that on their own, you think they'd be able to pull it off? no way! not at this point. now look here: antonov - RUS, engineers - RUS or RUS educated, machinery to build it - RUS, materials - RUS, and you're telling me the bloody thing's ukrainian...
@Fulcrum22 lol i wasn`t suggesting you follow my logic "all the way", that would be nothing but philosophical rhetoric. basically what you're saying is that EVERYTHING that was EVER invented is obviously based on something someone else has done in the past, or in a different country.. well no shit there. i mean come on - we're aren't talking about who came up with what idea but who made it happen, precisely. russians - stealth idea, americans - made it happen. f117 = american --->>>
tell me, was mr. antonov ukrainian? the engineers who built this thing, did they earn their degrees in ukraine? don't mean to spark anything inter-racial here but just because it was built there doesn't really mean anything. the technology, resources, and even people were mostly russian. i mean, everything america outsources to china these days, from your iphone to parts for the 787... do you call these products chinese?
@aleclitvinov Depends on what you mean by smaller. The Spruce Goose still has the longest wingspan but other than that the AN-225 is bigger at everything else.
Just like the TU-144, they try and design something truly outstanding that will out-perform the west, but dont do their homework and it ends up being cancelled.
@BeatTheSystemR1 About cars can`t argue. But about women - you are probably just a kid and don`t understand such things yet. Or you are a woman and envy. Russian women are considered the most beautiful, loosing to china only (arguable).
Ugly plane and heli? LOL russian planes look awesome, suchoi jets are the best! Helicopters are just great, big and badass.
@Durmanstainer Russian planes and women are beautiful.. This heli was amazing, Russians never fail to try something once. Very innovative people. The MI -24 Hind and the Alligator are beautiful aircraft but the MI-28 Havoc would be invincible if ugly was armor. I have no doubt about its lethality but it's hard to look at.
I like Mi-28 - unfortunatelly as history shows USSR's lack of solid economical bacground (due to politycal system) forced them to dismount or resign from some of the biggest projects: typhoon class submarine - too expensive (being replaced by borei class - in development), an-225 - the biggest plane - only one (in use by Ukrainian company), mi-12 - only two prototypes - many technical failures and problems became obsolete, tu-144 - sonic passanger plane - too expensive, etc.
@wino1980 I agree with most of what you said. As an American I have to say I dislike intensely how we keep our failures. I've heard how good the F-22 is but what good is it when it takes 30 hours of maintenance for every hour flying? It seems to me the Russians are much more practical minded when it comes to procurement. Those Borei class subs are marvels just like the Typhoon was. AN-225 was built for Buran and I think it is a
@Vanyaaynav
As much as I hate to disagree, they have the largest transport plane in the world.
DeamonStorm666 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav And, ultimately, the CH-47 wouldn't be used AROUND THE WORLD, BY MULTIPLE MILITARIES, if it didn't work. It's why nobody else uses the V22, it doesn't really work lol.
You've got to be pretty dumb to think the Ch-47 is a total piece of crap when it's used across the world, holds plenty of reccords, and is so strong that it can take alot of abuse before going down. People wouldn't use it if it wasn't good :/
peepeevagi 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav There's plenty of pictures and stories of Mi-26 crashes on google. Heck, Wikipedia lists 7 of the most noteworthy. And it's not as capable as the Ch-47, which is designed to be multirole. The Mi-26, first and foremost, is a heavy lift helo. It's not economical to use it for much more than that.
And american helicopters transfer themselves just fine. No helicopter is immune to accidents and mistakes, and thus even our awesome CH-47s and your giant Mi-26's crash sometimes.
peepeevagi 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav You know, for all your faith in russian engineers, the Mi-26 has an ABYSMAL crash rate.
And you cant even compare it to the Chinook. They're two different classes of helicopter. The Mi-26 is nothing but a heavy lift helicopter. The CH-47 is more of a multirole type, capable in all areas. And it's faster :3
Oh, and as for all those "Ch-47 being carried by an Mi-26" stories, the Ch-47's took a serious beating to be brought down. More than an Mi-26 could ever withstand.
peepeevagi 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav "and consequently even in Afghanistan the Russian technics transfers the American technics." I cant understand that bit of broken english :/
And as for googling those things, why should i? The Chinook holds numerous world reccords and has an absolutely outstanding service reccord. Heck, watch this. /watch?v=TmkEKbegTvE
That's a chinook lifting A WHOLE BRIDGE on it's own. Go ahead and insult the Chinook, it's reccord speaks for it's self.
peepeevagi 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav Your friends dad lied :/. The Mil design bureau even describes it as a "Heavy lift helicopter capable of carrying large components". And there's simply no reason for using the Mi-12 for anything civilian, when smaller, much more economical helicopters could get the job done much faster. And the V22s problems aren't from it's engineers. You cant exactly "Fix" the V22's problems without making it bigger. It's not their fault the military wanted something impossible to make.
peepeevagi 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav You know what, you're just some ignorant patriotic russian fuckhead who wont admit to anything that might be 'hurtful' to his glorious mother fucking russia, dismissing the truth as "propaganda" even when RUSSIAN SOURCES cite it as a missile parts carrier.
And tell me you Russian fuck, where's russia's attempt at a twin rotor Vtol? Oh wait, there isn't one, because they cant fucking figure it out either! If our engineers are "unqualified", yours are just plain retarded.
peepeevagi 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav And, seriously, do think we'd contract engineers who are not qualified to build aircraft? That's just plain stupid! And if you think that, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
The V22 only has ONE flaw, but it's a BIG flaw, and it's in it's stability. It's simply too small for that much power and such big rotors.
peepeevagi 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav Well the whole of the soviet union didn't design it. Russians did. They were made by Mil helicopter plant in moscow for crying out loud! And i've got dozens of russian sources that also cite the Mi-12 as being a carrier for missile parts. Besides, Russia is well known for their heavy lift helicopters. ALL of their heavy lift helos are designed for both military and civilian applications. The Mi-12 is no exceptio.
peepeevagi 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav And the reason behind the V-22 not being designed as capable as it could be, with wider wings and tail? That simple. There's basic size and weight limitations it has to meet. The V-22 is about as good as you can get for something that small with twin tiltrotors.
A good example of how larger is better in this case, look up the XC-142, a 4 engined tiltwing Vtol. It was stable and could vertically take off with no problems simply because it's size gives it greater control.
peepeevagi 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav And the V22's problems has nothing to do with the "Absence of qualified engineers". All our engineers are qualified, they have to be by law.
The V-22's problems are actually caused by the sheer lack of control surfaces. The wing, tail and rudders are too small for that much rotor. If the V-22 had a slightly bigger wing and tail, it'd be far more stable.
peepeevagi 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav What does a heavy lift helo from the 1960's have to do with a compound helicopter built in the modern day?
And the v22 was hardly a FAILED project. The idea does work. It's just got a high failure rate is all. Not to mention it was pretty much rushed in it's final stages of development. And besides, there's nothing else like it in existance. Russia cant even get close to making something so complicated like the V-22.
peepeevagi 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav Soviet project, russian project, you get my point. And the Mi-12 WAS created for the carrying of missile components. The Mi-12 was a heavy lift design, obviously, and the 'investigation and recovery of oil and gas' and 'carrying technics' could be done by a much smaller, faster craft.
The Mi-12 is OBVIOUSLY built for heavy lifting. and EVERY online resource states that to be it's purpose. I think you're the one who doesn't know anything about it here :P
peepeevagi 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav The Mi-12 testifies to Russia's total obsession of aircraft designed for specific purposes, to the point that carrying an internal payload or passengers couldn't save many of their designs from being cancelled.
Oh, and fun fact: the Mi-12 was actually designed to carry missile components and drop them into silos where transporting the same load by truck was simply impossible. So, despite that internal cargo bay, it didn't need it for it's designed purpose :3
peepeevagi 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav Um, the Russians considered the Mi-12 super impractical too. It's why only two were built and one survives today :/. Twin transverse rotor helicopters generally offer no real advantage over other designs. For example, the Mi-26 has a maximum takeoff weight of over 50,000 lbs. Whereas the Mi-12 can only handle 30,000 lbs, and it cant even vertically take off fully loaded!
peepeevagi 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav Actually, that's not true. The idea was experimented with, but we deemed the idea too impractical :/
peepeevagi 1 week ago
@Vanyaaynav
Name me please some development in u.s. that was not "expensive and useless project".
It's just the way they do things:
you need a trained mathematician to find range with u.s. scopes;
anyone can figure our a range in soviet/russian PSO and PO3 scopes.
If there is a hard way to do things u.s.a. will choose exactly that route.
SEThatered 2 weeks ago
@Vanyaaynav
u.s.a. has Osprey.
Technically it is a different aircraft: osprey is a tilt rotor, where Mi is still a helicopter.
I agree osprey doesn't have such an epic proportions and had quite a few bloody fails in the past, but it effectively combines the best of the two: plane speed and helicopter's vertical takeoff/hover.
Plus it is a fix blade rotor - less complex than a helicopter blade.
SEThatered 3 weeks ago
Kind of surreal watching it fly. Soviets did everything big back then.
PhantomBabel 3 weeks ago
It would have been shot down in the first five minutes of any combat action.
octopus59 3 weeks ago
@octopus59 This is transport helicopter. Not combat. Chinuk will be destroyed fast too.
DartLuke 3 weeks ago
@Vanyaaynav
Na, they just put a man on the moon and developed high tech spacecraft.
MrBoywonder1985 4 weeks ago
From the days when we made really good documentaries, not the mass produced shit the discovery channel foists on us.
OneEyePI 4 weeks ago
Cockpit - goo . gl / uWR7k
vdmhunter 2 months ago
wonder what the gas mileage is
thegarlands04 2 months ago
I was lucky enough to get a tour round Monino a couple of years ago. Our guide a retired TU 28 pilot explained that this aircraft was built for the specific purpose of carrying nuclear missiles around. Slung under the fuselage they would be invisible to U.S. overflights. Seen in the flesh they really are massive. At the time of my visit the prototype SU 27 flanker was parked underneath it.
ggrahamm17 2 months ago
This thing was cancelled because at the same time they got An-22 with twice the payload and capability to use any flat piece of land as a landing strip. An-22 was also cheaper, much more reliable and easier for piloting.
Kamradec 2 months ago
The most incredible is there were crazy people to operate it!!!
adauto3000 3 months ago
what year is this footage?
legendhunter47 3 months ago
The comrades. They have to make everything huge. Those things are modern marvels but j can't figure how useless is this aircraft because is heavy and it would be dangerous and cuz the fly hour in this machine maybe will have an average cost of maybe 20.000$ grand if it isnt more
espectro2n 3 months ago
Those Russians
therealGLAD 3 months ago
The Russians know how to build stuff big and heavy! If they built an airship it would be made out of cast iron and as big as a city.
winterka100 4 months ago
Russians just tend to built big ass things.
Korvan1993 4 months ago
Ан-225 и Ми-12 - Боги неба
wonShroom 5 months ago
Was abandoned in favor of a simpler and more reliable Mi-26
aleks070777 5 months ago
i smiled when i heard the mussorgsky music^^
childrenofbodomfan74 5 months ago
вот чем надо было чернобыль тушить ахахаха.всё равно ненужен
BAXFAXTER 5 months ago
It's fail because operational cost is too high.
declaration963 6 months ago
its the enclave
Killerjosh89 6 months ago
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TheJackson4eva 6 months ago
@Killerjosh89 Enclave? You mean like in Fallout? Because this is real.. This is Russian Military Equiptment.
TheJackson4eva 6 months ago
@TheJackson4eva yes like fallout, dumbass? and its real? wow shit and I thought it was a new fuckin video game.....gosh i feel dumb....thank you SO MUCH for tell me this video im watching is real.
Killerjosh89 5 months ago
@Killerjosh89 Don't base shit off of video games.... Cause' then you'll look like a "dumbass" when people say it's real.
TheJackson4eva 5 months ago
Chinooks nothing compared to to another single rotor Mil aircraft
slobhinav 7 months ago
this guy must be dr. evils cousin
"vertical takeoff equivalent"
funkyskunk2 7 months ago
I miss Discovery Wings and especially miss this guy's voice that would always narrate the shows whenever they were discussing Soviet-era aircraft.
ViperFace 7 months ago
Wealthiest Citizens - US
MrTr0llol 7 months ago
I'm trying think of the advantage of a transverse twin rotor over a tandem twin rotor and can't think of any. What is the advantage of this design over that of, say a Chinook? This has more drag, a larger footprint and the lifting surfaces are not integral to the fuselage. Also, the rotor diameter is limited to their distance apart instead of having a stepped rotor in the manner of a Chinook. Transverse rotors. Why?!?!
azimuth361 7 months ago
@azimuth361 @azimuth361 @azimuth361
Both designs have their advantages. This arrangement provides more lifting surfaces during forward movement and its belly can be more angled relative to the rotors since its blades won't intersect. Also, stepping reduces lift in the region of overlap (a little), while this arrangement both eliminates that lift loss and minimizes lift loss due to downward airflow hitting the hull. Dyssemetry of lift also doesn't bother this birds flight characteristics either.
ExAstris37 7 months ago
@ExAstris37 Excellent! Thanks for the info. I see all of your points but two. The stepped rotor only loses lift while in hover. Also during hover, the downward airflow hits the fixed wings in the exact manner they would the fuselage, so I don't see advantage there. Further, Asymetric lift in a tandem rotor would be much less catastrophic than with a transverse rotor. If a trailing or leading rotor were autorotating, it would have less effect than a left or right rotor, don't you think?
azimuth361 7 months ago
@azimuth361
True, downward airflow does hit the fixed wing, but it isn't nearly as thick as the fuselage, so there is less loss. And the stepping lift loss in hover is fairly important for a chopper designed solely to lift the most ridiculous loads ever, but it is moot for a mid-large lift chopper like the Chinook. So again, both designs have advantages (though fairly small differences).
ExAstris37 7 months ago
@azimuth361
Oh, and assymetrical lift would effect both helicopters the same per rotor, but given their locations, the torque induction on the transverse system would be self countering, while the Chinnok will have the front trying to twist over left and the back tring to twist over right, instead of left twist left and right twist right.
But yeah, for general helicopter use, the Chinook layout is probably better, but for max lift, transverse isn't a terrible idea.
ExAstris37 7 months ago
@ExAstris37 Excellent! Thanks for the info. I've been wondering about these things ever since I first saw this thing back in the mid-80's. It's an amazing aircraft. Too bad they only made two.
azimuth361 7 months ago
@ExAstris37 I would suggest that the advantages of a transverse design are negated by the increased weight, drag, complexity and footprint. It's much easier to simply mount the rotors fore and aft, eh?
azimuth361 7 months ago
Get to the "big ass" choppa!
Pacfan98 8 months ago
What is the music they start playing in the middle?
fortunatis 8 months ago
@fortunatis good question yea
XOROHN 7 months ago
@fortunatis Pictures at an Exhibition
tom476635 7 months ago
@tom476635 tyvm!
fortunatis 7 months ago
Carries 10 tons you say? Finally! Something to cart Governor Christie of New Jersey around!!
watchingthegoofyppl 8 months ago
you cant even spell dude right. fag
GenuineVanillaFace 9 months ago
yep, you're officially a pussy. Take down Russia? What the fuck are you talking about? Stop acting like a jealous little bitch.
GenuineVanillaFace 9 months ago
Soviets evil crazy technology
sakal88 9 months ago
It's nice but highly infective. They turned a cargo plane into a rotary wing aircraft when using a cargo plane to begin with would be faster and safer. But hey its very innovative.
BornInTheCreek 9 months ago
I had no idea such an aircraft existed. I wonder why it was never taken much further?
jmantheburninator 9 months ago
@jmantheburninator They didn't take it any further because it was absolutely useless. airplanes like the Antonov An-225 could carry much more cargo, were faster and safer. even smaller cargo planes which can land at almost every commercial airport (the an-225 can't) are more usefull than this beast. eventhough i still think this was one of the greatest mad soviet innovations ever.
luukdeman111 9 months ago
Stupid people always arguing about stupid shit, instead of just admiring old technology.
gigobait 9 months ago
:-(
marchetaria 11 months ago
В великой стране были великие достижения
lilian20ful 11 months ago
maja rozmach....
sahalin12345 11 months ago
Being from Latvia, which has always been a football between the US and Russia - both big power obsessed nations are actually the same - filled with pride about their nation so sick that the border between patriotism and national arrogance has already been crossed. It is the same as two idiots in a bar fighting about who's going to bang the local whore.
quashky 11 months ago
@quashky Are you saying, that Latvia is a whore?
Durmanstainer 11 months ago
@Durmanstainer All the smaller countries are the superpower raped whores...
quashky 11 months ago
@Durmanstainer latvia litva and estonia are 3 whores of germany xD
kz4eva 11 months ago
Largest atomic bomb - Tsar (Soviet Union)
Lunkwow 1 year ago
As with any of these videos of cool old aircraft, I really wonder what it sounded like.
barkon 1 year ago
cccр
кб antonov - (Ukraine)
Worldsolosmail 1 year ago
Best Submarine - Ohio Class (USA)
Best Plane - Boeing 747 (USA)
Best Fighter - F-14 Tomcat (USA)
Best Helicopter - AH-64 Apache (USA)
Best Country - USA
Bigger isnt always better...
tedparkes 1 year ago
@tedparkes Your points are bullshit, why are those machines the best? That's your opinion, it all depends on what they are used for.
ricejuh 1 year ago
@tedparkes Russia owns USA his ass, you know nothing:)
lercool1234 1 year ago
@tedparkes When you talk about the biggest, you just can`y argue. There are facts.
When you talk about the best, you can argue. About submarines, planes and such i must tell you - most of the best are definitely not american. And USA is not the best country - aggressive, primitive, unhealthy, unfair. What is the best country anyway?
And why did you start talking about USA to begin with? Video`s about russian heli.
Durmanstainer 11 months ago
This is one impressive piece of hardware.
damaged01 1 year ago
russians make some cool ass shit
NorteXIV813 1 year ago 3
largest citizens - US
s60evolve 1 year ago 23
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@s60evolve
largest over population of fat retards - US
AznDuD333 1 year ago 34
Who is US? Where exactly are you and your population of fat retards?
GenuineVanillaFace 9 months ago
@GenuineVanillaFace
Oh i'm not with them, theyre located near the bottom of North America, some are populated up top
they tend to like oppressing other countries and lie about it for their own benefits.
AznDuD333 9 months ago
@AznDuD333 Its to fucking easy to blame the "fat" U.S. citizens, like we are at fault for our shitty government and its actions... Instead of talking mindless bullshit, why not try to recognize some of the generosity that comes out of the U.S. citizens? WE donate millions to causes around the world, yet all I ever see is negative shit talking from people like you. You sound like a butt hurt little fucking hater. Quit acting like a little bitch...
GenuineVanillaFace 9 months ago
@GenuineVanillaFace
i thought it was in your textbooks that you are responsible for what your country does, what else are you gonna do then? sit there and blame your government? apparently theres a voting system...and there are a lot of things u can do to stop them...probably..if you don't get taken by your "secret services" first
AznDuD333 9 months ago
Its easy to talk shit about people and places you know nothing about, isn't it?
GenuineVanillaFace 9 months ago
@GenuineVanillaFace
it's also easy for idiots to defend their country's fame by making stuff up, oh were so peaceful..we first take down russia, then we take down the middle east, and we make this whole world a peaceful place
oh come on gimme a break... a recent survey has shown more than 40% canadians despises americans..theres a reason why even your neighbour hates you.
AznDuD333 9 months ago
@AznDuD333 also, what did I make up? You don;t make sense man... Try to focus a little more when you read and post comments or people are going to think you are retarded.
GenuineVanillaFace 9 months ago
@GenuineVanillaFace
how about we start by you claiming that i am talking about something i know nothing of? where is your proof?
AznDuD333 9 months ago
@s60evolve china
Muf1oN 10 months ago
@Muf1oN Oh, I meant like, large people, not large population lol. As in like, width lolll.
s60evolve 10 months ago
@s60evolve smallest citizens - Ethiopia
SHUTxUPfoo 5 months ago 11
@s60evolve The largest are actually the dutch, the biggest are americans...
Djrepsaj 3 months ago
and largest dick (russian)
ingorgio 1 year ago 4
between Ustinov's narration, and that sovietesq music, this video is so cool.. what is that piece of music anyway?
CE750 1 year ago
HOLY FUCK THATS JUST A PLANE !!111 ITS SO BIG !!!111 RUSSIA FOR LIFE
Zestava 1 year ago
What a freaky looking helicopter.
Stealthgato 1 year ago
Almost 40 years later, this helicopter remains the biggest ever did.
daltonagre 1 year ago
Looks like a plane with heli rotors stuck to wings
Zblj1987 1 year ago
Then you're right, dude. Because Ukraine is now independent.
Now is our time, brother: Nerds moment! LoL
LezcanoHector 1 year ago
Just built to lift 40 tones!!! Thats it!!!
euplot 1 year ago
Russians sure built some huge, and weird looking, a/c.
IrishWhiskeyFan 1 year ago
kind of looks like a chinnok and a commercial airliner mutated into 1
MegaWilley 1 year ago
Largest Beautiful Women's - Russia
hk15 1 year ago 2
so thats what hapens when you strap a helicopter to a plane.
Wargeneralguy 1 year ago
Thanks you, Videos very nice,
vladimir2366fa 1 year ago
looks like a normal aircraift with rotors instead of wings
therealTOTOfan 1 year ago
旅客機をそのまんまヘリにしたみたいな感じだな...変態的すぎるぜ！
TOWTOWHEAT 1 year ago
@Fulcrum22 <<<--- now: 787 = american, china - nothing but cheap labor. if US had to build every component of the 787 on its own soil it would no doubt, because it has the technology. but if the chinese had to manufacture anything as sophisticated as that on their own, you think they'd be able to pull it off? no way! not at this point. now look here: antonov - RUS, engineers - RUS or RUS educated, machinery to build it - RUS, materials - RUS, and you're telling me the bloody thing's ukrainian...
nanchoengineering 1 year ago
@Fulcrum22 lol i wasn`t suggesting you follow my logic "all the way", that would be nothing but philosophical rhetoric. basically what you're saying is that EVERYTHING that was EVER invented is obviously based on something someone else has done in the past, or in a different country.. well no shit there. i mean come on - we're aren't talking about who came up with what idea but who made it happen, precisely. russians - stealth idea, americans - made it happen. f117 = american --->>>
nanchoengineering 1 year ago
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@nanchoengineering
more like:
precisely. germans - stealth idea, americans - made it happen. f117 = american
HomoGnosticus 1 year ago
@Fulcrum22
tell me, was mr. antonov ukrainian? the engineers who built this thing, did they earn their degrees in ukraine? don't mean to spark anything inter-racial here but just because it was built there doesn't really mean anything. the technology, resources, and even people were mostly russian. i mean, everything america outsources to china these days, from your iphone to parts for the 787... do you call these products chinese?
nanchoengineering 1 year ago
Indeed typically Russian. Never able to respond to quality, efficiency, or accuracy, they use the technique of "more."
Xardox17 1 year ago
how mutch dose it cost to make one i bet you could make this a real hotel
conker3454 1 year ago
@Badlad45
Spruce Goose? It's smaller than Mriya. And the award goes to... Ukraine!
aleclitvinov 1 year ago
@aleclitvinov Depends on what you mean by smaller. The Spruce Goose still has the longest wingspan but other than that the AN-225 is bigger at everything else.
jayers2 1 year ago
@aleclitvinov ,Sorry to say you this, but actually the award goes to USSR...because of it we got that huge Airplane...is the true.
athoq32 1 year ago
wat tv show is this
9898983 1 year ago
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energyice 1 year ago
damn, russians just like everything so big XD
jonahsa2000 1 year ago
@jonahsa2000
Sooooooooo much innuendo in that statement xP
F22RaptorSquadron 1 year ago
@F22RaptorSquadron how so?
jonahsa2000 1 year ago
Why is everything they make enormous this mus wher BJ's was founded (The Company)
petermello55 1 year ago
No No No- we have the biggest cocks, too dude ;)
CuteTeen14JPG 1 year ago
Just like the TU-144, they try and design something truly outstanding that will out-perform the west, but dont do their homework and it ends up being cancelled.
Scousefire 2 years ago
largest submarine - typhoon (russia)
largest plane - antonov (russia)
largest fighter - tu 28 (russia)
largest helicopter - mil mi (russia)
largest country - russia (russian)
icanflyfaraway 2 years ago 128
Yeah, but uncle sam still has a bigger dick.
Cheesecake2k 2 years ago
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@icanflyfaraway "bigger they are harder they fallW . . . Russia is a fucking pussy country
StolenMonkey 2 years ago
@icanflyfaraway pahahahaa , Russia, (russian) :)
ownagevids888 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway it doesn't matter how big the stuff is. it matters how well it works.
Rossthatguyfromthere 1 year ago
@Rossthatguyfromthere yeah i know, but sometimes size does matter
icanflyfaraway 1 year ago
@Rossthatguyfromthere You are the wrong one. America's largest plane is not even 3 quarters f the mosterous antonov
Xmk2123 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway And I wouldn't chose to sail in one, fly in one, or the other, or live there.
agviator 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway your so right but your also forgetting "Zubr" the largest hovercraft lol this thing is so cool: youtube.com/watch?v=A8cuB2B2rSo
ClutchCobraKID1 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway
I guess it compensates for something.
basjumper002 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway Everything is bigger in Russia
gtaclevelandcity 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway
...largest concentration of idiots in the world - 95% of the total population (russia)
EnDhoine 1 year ago
@EnDhoine You are so wrong
mitchell600 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway
you forgot the largest balls)
nanchoengineering 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway Largest plane = Ukraine
Justinh789 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway
largest bomb - tsar bomba (russia)
yascumbag 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway Quality over quantity, chief
TyCarp07 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway largest nuke - tsar bomb (russia)
DuckzOnQuack 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway I think they might be overcompensating.
t3t011 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway Your are wrong on one, the Antonov is made in Ukraine.
NERD MOMENT
Arbiter11723 1 year ago 2
@Arbiter11723 almost the same thing
masterchief0031 1 year ago
@Arbiter11723 Man, Ukraine belonged to the USSR when it was built Antonov.
LezcanoHector 1 year ago
@LezcanoHector The antonov is still in production...
Arbiter11723 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway largest liver - russian (russia)
Smonjirez 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway those large things are eaten by rust at abandoned airfields...
MrOldCrow 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway
Your, but my answer is Largest Target (Russia)
Big no longer means good im afraid its all about small and stealth.
NightLifeDance 1 year ago
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hawchcf1 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway largest people - USA
TheAdolfHparodies 1 year ago 2
@icanflyfaraway
greatest tyrant - Stalin (Russia)
naramovige 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway we need to pre emptive attack!
paulsbluebalz 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway
largest tank -Maus (German)
dragon3600000 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway largest nuke ever detonated - (russia)
9pinkyandthebrain 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway largest asshole - george w. bush (usa)
0nkelD0kt0r 1 year ago 3
@0nkelD0kt0r :D:D:D
TheKonfidencial 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway largest plane AN-225 Antonov was made in Ukraine!
IICLERICII 1 year ago
@icanflyfaraway
The ugliest cars: Russian
The ugliest women: Russian
The ugliest helicopter: Russian
The ugliest plane: Russian
The ugliest country: Russia
BeatTheSystemR1 1 year ago
@BeatTheSystemR1 racist! haha
icanflyfaraway 1 year ago
@BeatTheSystemR1 About cars can`t argue. But about women - you are probably just a kid and don`t understand such things yet. Or you are a woman and envy. Russian women are considered the most beautiful, loosing to china only (arguable).
Ugly plane and heli? LOL russian planes look awesome, suchoi jets are the best! Helicopters are just great, big and badass.
Country? Where are you from to say such things?
Durmanstainer 11 months ago
@Durmanstainer Russian planes and women are beautiful.. This heli was amazing, Russians never fail to try something once. Very innovative people. The MI -24 Hind and the Alligator are beautiful aircraft but the MI-28 Havoc would be invincible if ugly was armor. I have no doubt about its lethality but it's hard to look at.
Scrat335 10 months ago
@Scrat335
I like Mi-28 - unfortunatelly as history shows USSR's lack of solid economical bacground (due to politycal system) forced them to dismount or resign from some of the biggest projects: typhoon class submarine - too expensive (being replaced by borei class - in development), an-225 - the biggest plane - only one (in use by Ukrainian company), mi-12 - only two prototypes - many technical failures and problems became obsolete, tu-144 - sonic passanger plane - too expensive, etc.
wino1980 10 months ago
@wino1980 I agree with most of what you said. As an American I have to say I dislike intensely how we keep our failures. I've heard how good the F-22 is but what good is it when it takes 30 hours of maintenance for every hour flying? It seems to me the Russians are much more practical minded when it comes to procurement. Those Borei class subs are marvels just like the Typhoon was. AN-225 was built for Buran and I think it is a