Great debate Sami Zaatari you are the clear victor. Refuted all his arguments while any of his refutations will be a contradiction to what JESUS SAID. I love the theme music of the Message at beginning and end, I love that movie and need to watch it again.
Wow! Sammi was having a really hard time answering John 1:1. Dr White RIGHTLY pointed out that he was arguing against what we Christians DO NOT believe. Such a shame! Sammy needs to go back, study what Christians REALLY believe & teach, then try & tear it down; w/ Scripture, not questions! Till then he needs to stay out of the debating arena
@djvdiddy Shame on you for denying the truth of Jesus. He refuted those points at 2:01:10 and 2:09:30. It goes with the Quran narrative of God saying 'Be' and it was was. That is God's word and the word was MANIFESTED in creation.
@titanictwinswordcanbegodwithmanifestationthruthe son of god andthedoughterof godis inthe son as the son is in the doughter thruth thefatherthesonjust as much gave birth to himself thru the father in his mother gods spirit rains and no man is god
Son of god performs the will of god there of and comes from god the father and the father manifests in the son and the holy spirit brings divine manifestation and groth in a son of god as a man and as a child
A man erected a building and adorned this edifice with great beauty, but he left an empty niche, in the corner where just one brick was missing. People looked around the building and marvelled at its beauty, but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche? I am like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in the line of the Prophets." (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib).
you see the words "I am the last in the line of the Prophets"
@pantherlake2002 Thank you, its almost close but not quite. It doesn't follow the standard "I'm a prophet." Look, I'm not here to disprove Muhammad or Islam. I'm demonstrating the same limitations that Muslims use against the Trinity. If a Muslims tells me, "Where does Jesus say, 'I am God'" and ignores my references to the doctrine of the Trinity (even though it does meet his standard) I'll will start questioning Mohammad as a prophet.
@116Pilgrim I dont understand the comparison you are making. Prophet mohammad(peace upon him) says he is a prophet but Jesus never says who he is, if you want people to believe Jesus is God then he has to say it,
@pantherlake2002 The problem is not that Jesus never said He is God, the problem is that muslims don't want to accept that the Jesus of the Bible proclaimed to be God. Muslims normally forced the text to say what they want to hear...
@gussyvallejos Why would someone want to accept as God when the person never said he is god? There is alot of things Jesus does and says that proofs he is not God, like him being ignorant, God is not ignorant, also, him getting circumcised, him saying he can't do nothing, etc, and ask for the bible it is not even reliable, we dont even know the authors of the bible, that is not me saying it, that is your scholars saying it,
@pantherlake2002 I didn't say you have to accept it, I said you push the words so you don't have to accept it. If you're going to say that Jesus never said He was God and therefore He is not God with the same set of mind Jesus never said He wasn't God therefore He is God. There are a lot of points that Jesus made about His deity thru out the gospels.The Bible says that and if you don't to believe in the Bible that's your issue just don't deny what the BIble says.CONT'D
@pantherlake2002 There is difference between believing and understanding what a book says, again, if you don't want to believe in the Bible is your issue but the Bible is clear for you to misrepresent it. For example, my understanding of a prophet is that must be a Jew, however, your book says an arab is a prophet. I don't believe in that but that's what your book says, I can't misrepresent it. very easy to understand, DO NOT misrepresent the Bible. God Bless!!
@gussyvallejos I called you racist because you said "my understanding of a prophet is that must be a Jew," if that is what your religion believes please show me that in the bible, btw, before Jesus how were the gentiles judged since according to you they never recieved a law or any prophets??
@pantherlake2002 that's not being a racist ignorant that's "my understanding". Gentiles were saved ... let the Word of God answer your question read Matt. 12.38-42.. Read it and then explain what you understand
@gussyvallejos It is racist because according to you the gentiles were never given laws or prophets, your God only cares about the jews, it is not far for the gentiles to burn in hell and they never received any laws or prophets, not only that they are suppose to worship a God who became a jew, ask for the verses you gave me, it is talking about the unfulfilled prophecy of Jesus according to Christians, the sign of Jonah,
@pantherlake2002 What you're saying is just prejudice, God gave the law to the Jew so the other nations can come praise the Lord when watching all the thing HE did and does for Israel, the nations that didn't believe will burn and those who believed are saved (i.e. Matthew 12.41)BTW the same happens now Christians share the gospel, the good news of salvation but (READ Luke 6.46-49) tell me how do muslims get saved? and from what?
@gussyvallejos sorry if I offended you, but that was my point of view, it seems to me Christianity does not care about the gentiles, because the Jews received laws and prophets and you believe others did not, Salvation in Islam is worshiping the creator alone, and obey Him by following what He revealed, All of the prophets preached the same message from Adam all the way to Mohammad(peace be upon them), that message is Worshiping God alone, and follow what He revealed,
@pantherlake2002 You're not offending me BTW Christians are GENTILES. Ok so you are saved by worshiping and following what its revealed, so what happens if you fail? Unless you're considering yourself perfect I believe you have failed, so what happens if you fail? because you have to pay for your mistakes right, that's the law... so what happens?
@gussyvallejos God does not expect us to be perfect because He did not create us in that state, God expect us to try our best, He wants us to return to Him when we make mistakes, when I sin, I repent to Allah, and Allah is the Most Gracious, Most Merciful,He will forgive me, Inshallah,
@pantherlake2002 See based on the law that we talk so much requires that you pay something for breaking it, so basically allah doesn't have any standard. 1st difference between you and Christianity, the law is the standard that reflects God's character. When we obey we are just doing that obeying nothing extra to pay for our "mistakes". BTW God created us perfect (according to HIS image) WE decided to sin and the pay for that is dead...so how do you pay for your sins or "mistakes"?
@gussyvallejos If God created us perfect than we would not have been able to sin in the first place, btw, I using "perfect" like a angel, in my religion, only Allah is perfect, see in Islam, angels do not have free will, they are not like humans, and jinns, they only do what Allah ordered them to do. If you believe God gave us freewill then, He knows that we would have sinned, that is why He forgave Adam and Eve when they repented, God is both Just and merciful in Islam.
@pantherlake2002 Again He created Adam perfect with the ability to choose, in Adam the whole humanity chose to sin and for Adam sin entered the world. You said that God knew we where going to sin which is totally CORRECT but just b/c He knew doesn't mean the law can be broken without penalty if the penalty isn't paid no justice will be served. So allah can't be just if he only forgive based only on mercy, in other words allah can be either merciful or just but NOT both
@gussyvallejos Again, God is both Just and merciful in Islam, Allah accepts the repents of His slaves when they repent, if you believe Your Lord does not do that, that is your problem, My Lord forgives,and He does not need to kill Himself in order to forgive, He does not need to do anything to forgive, He is the Lord of the worlds,
@pantherlake2002 what is that you don't understand? let's put it this way if someone kills your parents and you bring that someone to court and the judge forgives that someone b/c he repented, will you be willing to say that judge is just? apply that example to different mistakes such as prostitution, adultery, robbery, etc
@gussyvallejos the example of the orginal sin is not the same as killing, Adam and Eve did not kill anyone, they ate a simple fruit dude, it was a test from Allah, they repented to Allah, and Allah forgive them, do you believe God is so cruel that He does not forgive a simple mistake? When your child makes a simple mistake, do you kill yourself in order to forgive them? no, right, you just forgive them dude,
@pantherlake2002 I wasn't as simple as to eat a fruit Adam disobeyed GOD,every other sin is disobeying GOD so there is no level/ratings between sin, for GOD a liar is the same as murderer...When my child disobeys I put him in timeout he has to understand there is a consequence for that, in your case you can do whatever you want b/c there is no consequence and with that NO justice is SERVED, allah fails to be just/fair again
@gussyvallejos Do you know what repenting means bro?? The devil trick them and they forgot about what Allah told them, when they realized their mistake, they repented to Allah, and Allah forgave them, because they repented to Him, Allah is not so cruel that He will not accept the repents of His slaves, if they are sincere. According to you, God is not forgiving, and He is not merciful, also there is no justice in God killing Himself. That is actually blasphemy.
@pantherlake2002 I know what repent means but that it's just an argument for allah to be merciful which I'm not arguing, what I'm arguing is the Just/Fair title that you want to give him... again you can call allah however you want except Just b/c he's not...as soon as you recognize that I will explain to you the Hebrew ATONEMENT concept, until then don't put words in my mouth that I've never said.
@gussyvallejos MY Lord is the Most forgiving, Most merciful, and He forgave Adam and Eve, I dont know why you can't accept that, it is like you believe God is not forgiving, and He is not merciful, it is like you believe God needs to do something in order to forgive like kill Himself, I seek refuge in Allah, that is blasphemy, Allah is free from all needs, worthy of all praise, praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds,
@pantherlake2002 Again you are not able to understand allah can be all you want (forgiving, merciful, etc) but CANNOT be JUST...I'm arguing about allah being merciful, the system that he uses to forgive is not JUST...when you accept that I'll teach about the atonement...God Bless
@gussyvallejos I already told you bro, God is both Just and merciful in Islam, in the example of Adam and Eve, He was showing His mercy, they repent to Him, and He forgave them, I dont know why you believe it is so hard for God to do that,
@pantherlake2002 I guess you only want to argue...you said allah is Just and merciful, and the example you gave only proved he is merciful, how can you prove allah is JUST?..I'll give you a hint ...YOU CAN NOT but I really like you to try...
@gussyvallejos you are the one who just want to argue and you are very closed minded. You make a conclusion without me even giving you a response. Before I even respond, you are like He can not, this shows you are not sincere, Allah is JUST because He allows His slaves to repent to Him. God does not expect you to be perfect, He gave you a free will, and He wants you to try your best, and when you make a mistake, He wants you to repent to Him, and He will forgive you, shows Mercy and Justice,
@116Pilgrim you said "I just as easily say Muhammad wasn't a prophet because he never confessed himself saying "I am a prophet" Let me put your challenge to the test, if I find a hadith in which prophet mohammad(peace be upon him) says the exact words "I am a prophet" would you accept prophet mohammad(peace be upon him) as a prophet? if not, please stop bring up silly arguments,
@116Pilgrim What is your point? These verses do not proof he claim to be God, it is just your interpretation, muslims believe God knew what Jesus would do before He created him so muslims can argue Jesus was talking about this,
@pantherlake2002 You make no sense. The proof is in the context that you keep ignoring. Even the Jews accused Jesus of claiming deity in John 8:57 and Jesus never rebuked them for it. Then Jews picked up stones to throw at him for blasphemy. (1) Jesus claims to have existed before Creation (2) Jesus seeks same glory as God the Father. (John 17:5)
@116Pilgrim Again, it is your interpretation, muslims would say Jesus was talking about that God knew Jesus before He created him, similar to what God says according to the bible in Jeremiah 1:5,also Jesus believed that God was one,and not trinity, Mark 12:29, if you really believe Jesus was saying he was God, then he would have said I am God, and he would not be coward about it, but this is stated nowhere in the bible, in fact the opposite is proven in John 5:30,
@pantherlake2002 The context mentions nothing about God's foreknowledge of Jesus anywhere. The text says Jesus existed eternally. Even the Jews said it for themselves in John 8:57, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" But instead you deny this and scrabble the text for your interpretation. Now, your standards demand that Jesus would have to say this phrase "I am God" in order to claim deity. Even Muhammad didn't confessed directly "I am a prophet."
@116Pilgrim the text does not say Jesus existed eternally, and it does not say it is not talking about God's foreknowledge, it is interpretation and your interpretation does not even make sense because Jesus was created and he came out of a woman just like everyone,can we claim such a thing, ? Also, Jesus does have to say he is God, because he has to say who he is, and what you said about prophet mohammad(peace be upon him) is silly, I can quote hadiths clearly stating who he was,
@pantherlake2002 It does make sense. God became flesh and dwelt among his creation as Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Read (John 1:14 and John 1:1). There are many verses that Jesus claim to be divine but that not good enough because he must say the phrase, "I am God." Well then, I just as easily say Muhammad wasn't a prophet because he never confessed himself saying "I am a prophet".
@116Pilgrim first thing,John 1:14, John 1:1 are not even the words of Jesus christ so they do not proof he claim to be God, even christians have different interpretations on those verses, Prophet mohammad(peace be upon him) clearly told us who he is. If Jesus claims he is God, he has to say who he is, prophet mohammad(peace be upon him) says in many hadiths that he is a prophet, so your comparison is a joke, I can send hadiths to you, also
@pantherlake2002 If that's the case, I can point out John 20:28-29 in which Disciple Thomas confessed "my Lord and my GOD" directly to Jesus but your standards are that Jesus must make that confession himself. So then, the Hadiths may say Muhammad is a prophet but he never confessed himself to be one. I too can use that standard.
@116Pilgrim Again, that is not the words of Jesus, there are many hadiths that prophet mohammad(peace be upon him) says he is a prophet of Allah. that means he clearly says that he is a prophet, that is a joke, and you do worship a man who came out of a woman so you do not worship the God of Abraham, and Abraham never worshipped trinity,
@pantherlake2002 Ok then, please show me where Muhammad confessed, "I am a prophet." I'm open to correction.
That's where we definitely disagree. This is my position: Allah of Islam is not YHWH and I worship the one true God (YHWH). I have nothing more to say on the subject.
@116Pilgrim The Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) has said: Do not over praise me as the Christians over-praised the son of Mary. I am His slave so say: 'Allah's slave and messenger' [Al-Bukhaari and Muslim] heard Allah's Apostle saying, "I am the nearest of all the people to the son of Mary, and all the prophets are paternal brothers, and there has been no prophet between me and him (i.e. Jesus)."I could list more but this should be enough if you are sincere,
@116Pilgrim also, if you want to worship a created thing then go ahead but dont say you worship the God of Abraham, because the God of Abraham is uncreated, and He creates everything,
the arquments of the muslim speaker are pretty weak... there are numerous Bible passages in the old testament where God is clearly more than one being! Zachariah 12:10, Genesis 16:7 He is referred to as the angel of YHVH but then in 16:13 as YHVH HIMSELF! ( ISNT IT INTERESTING?)Genesis 19:24 We have YHVH number one raining fire and brimstone from a second YHVH who is in heaven, the first one is on earth.Hosea 1:7 the speaker is Elohim who says He will save them by the Lord (YHVH), their God)
@barcafun100 You said `where God is clearly more than one being!`` I think you mean more than one person in the same being that is God, because if you say more than one being, the old testament says that there is only one God, and you are telling me there are passages that prove otherwise. If that is the case, than there is a clear contradiction.
@peaceisgood23 no i meant being. The old testament does NOt teach that there is one BEING. Deutronomy 6 teaches that there is ONE GOD. the word God there is in the plural which is Elohim which means GODS! and the word one is echad means a unity! the Bible never says God is one being! it says God is one but that does not mean God is one being. The Bible teches that God is a unity.
Muslims believe that Jesus was born of a virgin and is the Messiah. Sounds like you need to define Son and Messiah according to the Bible. He was Gods Son - born of God, and of woman. This is the Elohim, God with Us. Jesus said "Before Abraham, I am" and these...
'No man knows the Father (none), but the Son and whoever he reveals him to."
'If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.'
This is Jesus showing an exclusive kinship.
Furthermore, Jesus' Father said "This is my beloved Son"
Assalamu Alaikum Bu thhe Holly qur'an and by the Holly Bible Jesus or Yeshua or Isa as did not rise from the dead. He was cruscified , taken alive down cured with medicine for three days , as prophecy says (as son of man will be in belly of fish, same son of man will be in belly of the Earth)and than gone to visit other 10 lost tribe of Israel (bani Israil) back to Kashmeer where he died. Qur'an says that he and his mother have been rised on high place with water.Why Bible is not talking of Mary
@liquidus2172 you must be kidding...you realy dont know any examples or are you acting like you dont know?...fine here's an example, in Sura 3:28 it says dont befriend disbelievers and dont trust them..
The Qur’ānic instruction of not taking the unbelievers as friends must be carefully analyzed and understood in the context of the circumstance under which the verse was revealed. The verse and sūrah was revealed in 3 A.H./625 C.E. after the battle of Badr and Uhud when the Muslims were in a state of confrontation with the unbelievers. Keeping this backdrop in mind, whenever conditions are hostile, people of other faith causing the hostility cannot be trusted to uphold...
the interest of the Muslims (cf. 3:118; 5:51; 60:8-9). According to Rāghib, the key word wali (Pl. auliya) commonly understood to be ‘friend’, ‘a close person’, ‘an executor’, ‘a guardian’ etc. refers to nearness or friendship with respect to help and belief. Under such circumstance if someone makes alliance or friendship with the enemies, then they are on their own, Allāh would not protect them. The message of this verse does not apply to casual friendship at work...
...or school since 60:8-9 expressly allow making friendship with unbelievers who are not hostile to the Muslims and circumstances of war does not exist between them.
@liquidus2172 someone of a different belief was automatically an enemy?..i can understand having enemies cuz they staredt hostilities against you who HAPPEN to have a different belief system but not just merely on different religion.. and the definition you cited :‘friend’, ‘a close person’, ‘an executor’, ‘a guardian’ etc. refers to nearness or friendship with respect to help and belief" isnt this definition itself promoting not befriending disbelievers?
@liquidus2172 and another thing..why doesnt the Quran just say befriend whoever is not hostile to you no matter of their beliefs or whoever proves to you that they are peaceful..why make the battle of badr an example or draw ONLY one lesson/perspective out of it like "dont befriend disbelivers" and not "see this is why war is bad, dont start war and hostilities because only bad things are the result"?
@Talba91 you didn't understand what's in the tafsir of that verse, let me explain it in plain English so you can understand, Muslims befriend only non hostile infidels, unless they start hostilities (like insulting the Prophet, etc...) and then they become their enemies.
and for the battle of Badr, Abu Sufyan (former disbeliever) took the material positions of Muslims (while they fled to Madina) and sold them for gold, the Muslims only took what's theirs in the first place!
god is eternal, he is ever-lasting, he is self-sufficient, he is the creator, he neither gets tired nor does he sleep, he is nothing like his creation, whatever we see with our own eyes is his creation, he knows what we conceal and what we reveal. he tells us to reflect on his creation, he tells us to ponder on his creation. it is our creator who gives us sustenance,did he not create the ocean that we drink, did he not create the animals,look at yourself, did he not create the eyes that you see?
@MrCobra811 Thats because, you have seen Jesus and God as separate entities.My right hand does my will of serving me and it sits on my right,so does my left.Does that mean, my hands are not a part of me?.You cannot pick and choose, wouldn't make sense.Connect all the dots.
@MrTheCorrupter "I will not again destroy Ephraim;for I am God AND NOT A MAN" [Hosea 11:9]
"4 How then can man be justified with God?or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?........6 How much less MAN,THAT IS WORM?& the SON OF MAN,WHICH IS A WORM?"[Job25:4-6]
From above verses we learn that God is not a MAN & also man born from a woman and Son of man are nothing but despicable and worthless "worm".
@PeacefulOnly Part 1 :You Pagans,mug up a lot by can see anything.
Genesis 19 The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw THREE standing nearby.
Nowhere is it said that the Lord cannot become man-only that God is not man,come out of that polygamist adulterers lie that Jesus was just a man.John10:30 "Before Abraham was,I am
@bloodhoundHermetic Lolol Dumbass try to learn the difference between "god can become a man" & "god is a man". God can take the form of a man but he can never be a man like us.
GOD IS NOT A MAN.This is repeated in many places in the Bible-Numbers 23:19,Hosea 11:9,Job25:4-6 etc.
BUT,wait a sec don't U hypocrite chriSATANs believe that god(aka jesus) is 100% man & 100% god.
Isn't this in conflict with the Bible?? What do U say PAGAN(idolator Constantine made god out of a man Jesus)??
@PeacefulOnly Part 2: Now since I have answered you on the ability of God to become man and also about the false prophet Muhammed.Let me tell you what happens to the Pagan nations for making him a coward who escaped the cross,for equating his name to polygamists,murderers and adulterers and corrupting the name of YAHshua/YAH_eh.The sovereign Lord of Israel says he is going to lay waste to Teman,Dedan(Saudi Arabia), he is going to kill Edom,Cush,Put (conspirators against ISrael).-Ezekiel 25:13
@bloodhoundHermetic Israel is a land in control of the jews & not christians.The Judaism's holiest book Talmud says:
1."Jesus fornicated with his jackass"[Sanhedrin105a-b]
2."says that Jesus is currently being boiled in hot excrement![2.Gittin,57a]
3."says that Jesus deserved execution![3.Sanhedrin, 43a]
4."May was a whore!"[Sanhedrin,106a]
Your PAGAN god(who happens to be jesus)will save this Israel,whose inhabitants believe Jesus is gay,burning in hell. LoL This is the JOKE OF THE CENTURY !!!
10 “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, [a]the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
@bloodhoundHermetic Rabbi Efrati is quoted in Israeli paper Ynet news that Jews can (and indeed should) pray in mosques.This is not news - previous rabbis have ruled the same way.
However, interesting to note that Jews aren't allowed to even step inside a Christian Church - let alone pray in one:
he stressed that praying in churches was completely and strictly forbidden. In fact, it is forbidden to step into a church, bcoz it is a "PAGAN" house of worship.
@bloodhoundHermetic The rabbinic consensus,based on the Talmud (Avodah Zara 17a,)is that it is forbidden to enter a church, even if just to admire the architecture or artwork. This body of opinion spans the generations and comprises leading medieval Sephardic and Ashkenazi rabbis such as Maimonides, Rashba (Rabbi Solomon ben Aderet), Ritba (Rabbi Yom Tov ibn Asevilli) and Rosh (Rabbi Asher ben Yechiel), as well as contemporary halachists including Rabbis Moshe Feinstien, Ovadia Yosef and Eliezer
@PeacefulOnly Hah,u teaching the Jew about who codified the Talmund"?.I think ur head is a bit out ,to quote me what the senhadrin or what the Jewish scholars(men)made after the destruction of the 2nd temple!!,since the Torah(prophetic) justifies the messiah!!ur desperation is laughable,Pagan.Immao Cletus Simpson, stone kisser,Kedar is goin to burn and no Arab is goign to pitch his tent there.TRUTH??Aishas pussi,LMAO.Wouldnt it be nice to see foreworks over the Pagan Kabah in Teman and Dedan?..
@bloodhoundHermetic Gen 38-15 -30 say jesus descend from a prostitute whore and bastard great grand fathers Judah pays Tamar the bitch with a signet-ring, bracelets after he found out LOL HAHAH she is his daughter inlaw,and demands that she should be burnt to death. But she gets a way with it because he is the one who FUCKED her she later had judah's twin brother called Pharez and Zarah-this Pharez the son of the prostitute become the great great grand father of jesus.
@bloodhoundHermetic The fundamental question is... Are all jews alive today the fruits of Judah's illegitimate sex? The answer of this question will expose the whole of your Jewish "race". Either you will reject Bible and accept Quran and lead a honorable life, Otherwise the whole of your Jewish race is the result of illegal sex i.e. fornication and adultery. <-- A/c to Bible.
The Jews as per Bible are the offspring of illegal sex. What a race ur god chose to be his own?? What a joke ?? HAHA
@bloodhoundHermetic The fundamental question is... Are all jews alive today the fruits of Judah's illegitimate sex? The answer of this question will expose the whole of your Jewish "race". Either you will reject Bible and accept Quran and lead a honorable life, Otherwise the whole of your Jewish race is the result of illegal sex i.e. fornication and adultery. <-- A/c to Bible.
The Jews as per Bible are the offspring of illegal sex. What a race ur god chose to be his own?? What a joke ?? HAHA
@bloodhoundHermetic Jews are ordered by their scholars not to worship in any churches in case there is no synagogue. But they are permitted to worship in Muslim Mosque. Because they call you chriSATANs as pagans. And you can have your research from jewish sources.
CONCLUSION : The scholars of Islam & Judaism have concluded that chriSATANs do not worship the same god as they worship. Hence chriSATANs shoul be rightly abused & called as "PAGAN SATANISTS".
@PeacefulOnly Conclusion: Jews and Islam cannot refute the Messiah so They resort to saying "It cannot be because my prophet said so." They say Jesus Mom should let baby Jesus play and never worry because he is God and won't ever be kidnapped. It is nonsense! All of you will be ashamed when He returns - and he will - even the prophets come before him and are killed and raised like him to devastate all other religions and allow time for repentance. What will you do when the witnesses rise?
@TheLaunchingPad "22.Many will say to me in that day,Lord, lord,have we not in thy name prophesied?and in thy name cast out demons?and in thy name done many mighty things?
23.and then I will acknowledge to them,that--I never knew you,depart from me ye who are working lawlessness"Matthew7:22-23
* The only people that call Jesus LORD r the Christians whether Good,Bad or hypocrite, with all the good work u do in his name he is denying divinity ,he never asked U to worship him.
@PeacefulOnly Brother, we are to be wary on the way we preach to man. God has come into this world and lived among men! That He made a way for man so that they may live in the presence of God, and that is through Christ. Man have traded the image of God for the tradition of man, to keep with the law. All have fallen short, there is no hope apart from Christ, we are not called to solely win debates, but to preach Christ crucified brother. God bless.
@PopcornMawn - Good words. You nailed it on the head with "he may live in the presence of God". There is no Holy Spirit who teaches men a false doctrine that accuses Christ of being a liar. The Holy Spirit gave the apostles discernment of spirits and doctrines whether they be of God. They can be good people and never know that God walked among them but they will never drink from the water of life until they call on Christ and acknowledge his lordship and Sonship as Only Begotten of God himself.
@PopcornMawn I will give you one verse from the Bible that destroys the false crucifixion:
"In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!" / Luke 13:33 (New International Version)
Killing two birds with one stone here: Jesus is confirming that he is a Prophet (thus, NOT God), AND giving a CLEAR prophecy that he will not die at the cross at Golgotha,which is OUTSIDE of Jerusalem.
@PopcornMawn *Its HERESY to equate God to creation as man *Trinity is man-made/has NO basis in Scripture *God is ONE [Exod20:3,Mrk12:29,Quran2:163] *God is NOT man/son [Num23:19] & NEVER seen [Exod33:20] *Christ is created by a Word of God just as Adam or Universe "Let there BE..." [Gen ch1,2] *God does NOT need blood sacrifice [Hos6:6] *you are NOT born with original sin[Ezek18:20]*Salvation is: Surrender to God[ISLAM] and His MERCY.
Is any1 willing to surrender to GOD[Muslim]now and be saved?
"And these SIGNS WILL ACCOMPANY those who believe.In my name...they WILL PICK UP SNAKES with their hands;& when they drink deadly poison,it WILL NOT HURT them at all..."(NIV)[Mark16:17-18]
Notice the uses of words "SIGNS WILL ACCOMPANY","WILL PICK UP SNAKES" etc
This can only be true if the signs fulfill & things happen & they should happen for true christians. LOL
Either ur God is a liar or christians do not trust their God at all.
@PeacefulOnly You're using NIV, it's an unreliable version that was originally made for young kids. Now it's spread out too far. Another thing about this verse is that it can be symbolic. Matthew 5:3 says blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven. They know they can't do anything without looking to Christ, and there we are strong when we are weak. When we look to Jesus Christ and seeing that he died for our sins, and not looking to our performance.
@PopcornMawn Jesus saw himself as ONLY God's prophet (Mark 6:4, Luke 13:33 ) and NEVER rebuked others when he was called so (John 4:19). He NEVER denied being a prophet. And his contemporaries understood him likewise, as God's anointed servant and prophet. That is why they praised God (instead of Jesus) for the miracles he performed (Matt 9:8, Acts 2:22 ).
In other words, they distinguished between God the Creator & Jesus, the created being. Both are NEVER synonymous.
@PeacefulOnly - Jesus protected his apostles and said what he said to encourage them. Paul was bitten by a venomous snake and he didn't even flinch. The slight discrepancies in our book give it credibility. Your book was a master plan to take the Torah and re-write it shorter. One man wrote your book so he remembered what he wrote and made sure there was no errors (that's easy). Our book was written by One God and Many men and still says the same gospel. Bible is God's Word! U Failed.
@bloodhoundHermetic Israel is a land in control of the jews & not christians.The Judaism's holiest book Talmud says:
1."Jesus fornicated with his jackass"[Sanhedrin105a-b]
2."says that Jesus is currently being boiled in hot excrement![2.Gittin,57a]
3."says that Jesus deserved execution![3.Sanhedrin, 43a]
4."May was a whore!"[Sanhedrin,106a]
Your PAGAN god(who happens to be jesus)will save this Israel,whose inhabitants believe Jesus is gay,burning in hell. LoL This is the JOKE OF THE CENTURY !!!
@PeacefulOnly Part 3:Make connections stone kisser...you have been answered.And the owner of the video is a sissy, he gets whooped badly, and he block people.So I may not be able to answer you,next time.All your queries have been answered easily..
@bloodhoundHermetic *a talk with a chriSATAN* what is christianity?=to believe jesus died for yr sin.What is sin?=to follow the commandments did jesus sin?=no why?=because he followed the commandments & never broke one.If someone else follow & never broke them will he be sinless=NO why?=because paul said all have sinned how?=NO IDEA what are those commandments=to believe jesus died for yr sin did moses,solomon,aron,noah sin=yes are they in paradise?=yes how?=NO IDEA moral=christianity is a JOKE
@PeacefulOnly Cry me a river stone kisser..you and your logic are done,you know it and I know it..The rest of your rants dont make sense,Christianity might be a joke for ye mohemmedans, no one asked you to follow Christ.Inshalllah you will receive your 72 virgins and the strength of 100 men.Now stop flooding my Inbox,I dont babble in vain.Go your way Pagan.
@PeacefulOnly Jazakkallah, mai Allah grant u 72 virgins and the strenght of 100 men in paradise where green birds sits on chandeliers and in the presence of a god who made his first creation a Parker Pen(the noor of Allah).Hei and go for kissing the black stone before Teman and Dedan are gonna fall bi the sword .Stai safe old man.I see,I have shaken u a bit and peacufli Onli has become peacefuli Osama.I have no more time for u,I need to revert as mani open minded back to christ from adulterers.
@MrCobra811 God can not be the son of himself if He is a unitarian. The Trinity speaks of God as the Father, Son and the Holy spirit, three distinct yet inseperable persons. Think about this, Past, Present, Future= Time.
Sami Zaatari repeats the same basic mistakes of Ahmed deedat, that the doctrine of the Trintiy says that God is one person but three persons. No wonder it does not make sense to them.
@PoitierFrance You're comparing God to God's creation, God created time, so your argument is invalidated by such comparison. God is unique, unlike His creation, God does not have parents, God does not have wives, therefore God does not have children. If God is 3, then He is no longer 1, because you are dividing Him into parts from the very start. The Spirit is not God, and Jesus is not God. [Quiz time:] When did Jesus ever say "I and the Holy Spirit are one"?
@BibleIslam wow you bring up good points, which seems impressiv to the ingnorant mind. The fact that we can speak, that we can reason and have a will etc etc is because God is also likte that, the diffrence is that he is so in a perfect way. Here however we see a comparison beetwen him and creation. The bible says that his eternal attributes are visible in the nature so we are all without excuse.
Even islamic scholars admitted the difficulty in defnining the oness of God. What for example is the relationship beetwen the essence and the attributes. And so we see the rise of conflict beetwen ahlul-sunnah and mutazila'h. When you Say God is three and divided do you thnik of one essence and then that essence divided beetwen three?
@PoitierFrance When I read your comments, I wonder why Christians call themselves, Monotheists. There is nothing Monotheistic having different pictures of God in your heart even if all you are saying is one in your mouth. What is deference between Hindus and Christianity? Hindus also say they believe in one God. Somehow Christianity took a wrong turn some place.
If Time was only past, or only present or only future and then you added one of these three two it then you have divided it. But you can't say it's divided if its existence is by the three parts
@PoitierFrance For the sake of discussion, let us assume you were correct with your example. Throughout history, from Adam, to Moses, to Abraham, to Jesus, God has been described as "One", without divisible parts. If God were part of a trinity, we would find mention of it in the Bible, but it is nowhere. Nor has God ever said that He is part of 3, and neither has any prophet (including Jesus) said that God is 3 in 1. It is in fact a commandment that you not compare God to anything.
@BibleIslam "God is 3 in 1" what is 3 and what is 1. If you mean by three, the father, son and holy spirit, and by 1 meaning one being, one essence then you are correct. In the Old Testament there are many verses that shows there is plurality within Unity. Secondly for God to say plainly that he is 3 in 1 means that he was not that in the first place. Like if you have to say plainly you are a human being that means you must have been something else.
@PoitierFrance If I confirm "I am a Human, I am a Male, I was born, I am one person" that doesn't mean I was something else. 3 = 3 and 1 = 1. God is the Creator, Jesus is the Created. God cannot be created. If Jesus is God, that means as a son of Mary, God was subservient and obedient to someone, but God is not subservient or obedient to anyone. Jesus prayed to God, one does not pray to oneself. Jesus doesn't know the future, only God knows the future, therefore Jesus is not God.
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" Numbers 23:19
@EibeMandel God is not a man,for sure.But you are limiting gods capabilities by saying,God cannot become man.Read more from the Torah.Few examples read genesis 18:God appeared and walked with Abraham along with two other entities(could see it pluraly,or could see the other two as angels).But they walked as men with Abraham.So then how could god be man?.Who said Jesus was man?,Yeshua became man for a reason,John8:58 Before Abraham was,I am.And thus god is not man,but can choose to become one.
@EibeMandel Is that all you got pagan?.You and I know that you dint make sense with your statement.And no one cares what your inferences are!.But since you quoted from the bible and decided to speak from your ignorance,I quoted from the same Torah, proving to you that God has become man a lot of times in the bible.Maybe Allah,the god of Abdullah and Muhammed cant become a man.But the God of Israel can and has.So maybe next time,come up with a better argument.
@MrTheCorrupter We don't agree with everything in the Bible :)
The vers I quoted says clearly that God is not a man. If another vers says that he is a man than we have a contradiction.
"Maybe Allah,the god of Abdullah and Muhammed cant become a man"
-Allah is the arabic word for God. Jesus said "Allaha" in aramaic :)
I asked you a question, can God be unjust? Or can he lie? The answer is no. Not because he has not the power to do that but it is not the nature of God to be unjust or to lie
@EibeMandel Part 1: the owner of this video blocked me from speaking truth, but let the truth prevail;).Brother,you dont need to agree with us since Mathew said,Mathew 24:11 "and many false prophets shall arise and mislead many".Secondly if I disproved your inferences by quoting to you from the same Torah you quoted and showed to you that god has become man, that does not mean that there is a contradiction in the Torah,it means that you have a lot of reading to do;).
@EibeMandel Part 2: To answer your question on whether the God of Israel is unjust or whether his prophets lie?, they dont and neither is he unjust.But we are here talking about the God of Israel and not Allah.Allah would deceive his people into believing that his prophet Isa dies(not Yeshua,son of Yahweh).Secondly neither will a Jewish prophet like Abraham break a treaty like how muhammed did at the battle of Hubaidiyah.And your simile was a lil childish;).I,m gonna get blocked,tk cr.
-Paul was a false prophet and a liar who misled over 2 billion people.
" I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive…Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust." John 5:43-45
@EibeMandel Part 1 :Ignorance at its best, a christian does not need Paul to prove that Jesus is God.Who said that Jesus did not come in the name of his father? did I. Who denied that ?.Are my arms separate from my body if my arms serve me?.John 8:58" I and my father are one" .John 17:5 "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had WITH YOU before the world began.John 14:13 "And I will do whatever you ask in my (JESUS)name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father.
@EibeMandel Part 2: so Jesus claimed equality and oneness with his father, wanted worship, showed omnipotence, omnipresence, raised the dead.But as his father hands, he came to serve his fathers will.Yet he is one with his father.He was before Abraham(john 8:58),Start making your connections Muslims.A flase prophet has deceived you into believing that 72 virgins await you in heaven.I,l quote another verse 1john2:22 Who is a lier(false prophet)?anyone who denies the father and the son.
@EibeMandel Part 3: So I just proved to you without the help of Paul or his teachings, from the very words of Jesus,that he is God incarnate.I can prove to you from the Torah(OT),if you want me to!!.Paul just reaffirms it.Oh and please use words like Allah,Ibrahim,Isa etc.When you use terms like Abraham(Jewish prophet),Jesus instead of Isa and Allah(the god of abdullah the slave of Allah) when referring to the God of Israel,it becomes a gross distortion.Stay original to your religion.
@bloodhoundHermetic Part 2: "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven" -Matthew 5:19
I have a question, it's forbidden to eat pork, do you eat pork? That is one of the least commandments.
"so Jesus claimed equality and oneness with his father"
…in the sense that the will of Jesus and the will of God are the same and that Jesus fulfills the will of God
only in your interpretation, there are a ton of other verses that show the exact opposite:
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." -Matthew 7:21
-"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." -John 5:26
"omnipresence"
"And a woman…Came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched. And Jesus said, Who touched me?" -Luke 8:43-45
@EibeMandel Part 1: Well, again Muslims tend to pick and choose.Are you lying to yourself?,you have the audacity to quote John 5:26 but you will never quote John 14:14 "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." whose name ?? ,what if thousand people as at once.Immediately your logic fails.One should have omnipotence to what Jesus claimed, secondly ask in Jesus name, means pray to me.It cant get anymore clearer than that.
@EibeMandel Part 2: than you for your question about the law of Moses vs the Law of Jesus.You quoted very correctly,but this time you missed the core of what Jesus said.Mathew 5:18 "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is ACCOMPLISHED" Jesus died by saying,everything is finished.So thus the word of Moses(mans law for a specific time,passes away.
@EibeMandel Part 3: And you quoted Mathew 7:21 completely out of context.I just proved to you, that Jesus asked for worship.MAthew 7:21 means, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven unless you do the will of God,just calling the name of Jesus wouldn't help,meaning do good and keep your mouth shut.It has nothing to do with worship.Please stay in context of the subject discussed.
@EibeMandel Part 4: Again you understand john 5:27 "I can do nothing by myself" predictably as Muslims would but fail to make the connection here in John10:30 "I and my father are one" and John 5:19 " Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father DOES THE SON ALSO DOES"(who does what God does?other than God).The verse you quoted means,Yeshua the incarnate will not act APART from his father,since they are ONE.It is not incapability.
@bloodhoundHermetic Part 6: Und jetzt erfahre ich, dass du aus Deutschland kommst, perfekt, machen wir auf deutsch weiter :)
"Oh and please use words like Allah,Ibrahim,Isa etc.
-Ich frage mich was das bringen soll, aber das könnte ich, Allah ist wesentlich näher zum hebräischen Eloah als das englische Wort "God" (was es zu der Zeit noch gar nicht gab)
@EibeMandel Part 5: And again,dont start acting defensive, follower of Muhammed.I have yet not quoted paul and you say Paul made Jesus a deity.Pagan,read this worse and know whom the false prophet denied as prophesied.Zechariah 12:10 Yahweh,the God of Israel speaks to prophet Zechariah "They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son."..Who was Pierced?So,who is speaker?.
@bloodhoundHermetic Ich finde es lustig, dass du mich Heide nennst, weil deine Religion zum großen Teil von den Heiden übernommen wurde. Gott wird zum Mensch, stirbt für die Sünden der Menschen, erwacht wieder zum Leben, Weihnachten, Ostern, das Anbeten von Heiligen (eine andere Form von Götzendienst) etc.
Du kannst glauben was du willst. Solange du mir keinen Vers zeigst wo Jesus sagt "Ich bin Gott" hast du nichts bewiesen :)
@bloodhoundHermetic Muhammad didn't come in his own name but in the name of God, "bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm", "In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful". And who is this Moses who has accusetd you Christians for making Jesus to God and believing in the false teachings of Paul and the Church? It's Muhammad.
@bloodhoundHermetic You know what the funny thing is? You are quoting from the Torah of the Jews to proof your believe but there is not a single Jew who believes that Jesus was God nor do they believe in the Trinity. Muslims believe in the JHWH of the Jews, you believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
@EibeMandel Part 3: The Jews just ignorant of their own Torah.Even their disbelief is prophesied:Zech 12:10 And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son .......(their time hasn't come,that doesn give Islam credibility and he will still remain the God Of Israel
@JackSparrowDepp They believe his prophet got the new book (mormons book) from an angel( where did i hear that?), they also say u can have many wives because the angel told them so(sounds familiar) and they have physical evidence his books isn't corrupted, so why are u mormon? hahaha. I will give u more physical evidence of ur corrupted quran, i will quote Physical evidence of muslims eraly sources
@HianJ0 Hollow words. I have already told you that someone who knows the basics of Islam can differentiate between truth and forgery! Somehow, you never comment on your man-made religion and corrupted book! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Satan has worked well in Muslim hadithes but he worked even better while writing the christian gosspels. I am sure you enjoy them. hahahah Have you aleady wiped your ass, pagan?
Haha the young Muslim needs to do more research into the religion he's trying to debunk. Many red herring, taxi cab and straw man fallacies. This is a debate for men who know how to debate. I'm sorry but Dr. White won by a landslide.
The only defense Sami ended up with was god never changes form. Jesus is God and it doesn't contradict that. God was a spirit before and then was a spirit in a body. If I take a piece of wood and set it in a box is it still not a piece of wood?
The only defense Sami ended up with was god never changes form. Jesus is God and it doesn't contradict that. God was a spirit before and then was a spirit in a body. If I take a piece of wood and set it in a box is it still not a piece of wood?
@pantherlake2002 In the well-known collection of traditions by Ibn Sa`d, we read these words:
Ibn Abbas asked, `Which of the two readings of the Qur'an do you prefer?' [The prophet] answered, `The reading of Abdullah ibn Mas'ud.' Verily the Qur'an was recited be fore the apostle of Allah, once in every Rammadan, except the last year when it was recited twice. Then Abdullah ibn Mas'ud came to him, and he learned what was altered and abrogated. (Ibn Sa`d, vol. 2, pg.441)
James White is so inspiring,u made a great Job,hope u can read this somehow :D..God Bless You, and may keep guiding you, i think that the topic is kinda useless since they believe our hole bible is corrupted so i don't understand why they wanna try to prove something with a book corrupted, anyway the bible isn't just John, there are many other Books who leaves the divinity of Jesus clear of any doubt,yet i understand the debate was most centered on John so even so u did great.Glory to God.
god who made billions of stars in this universe to single atom cant be born from a womb of a human being like us ? And if son means begotton son , its an act of animals and humanbeings .... Well jesus was 2000 years ago and english is not more than 1000 years old language ..... Thank you .. May peace of allah be on you all
Great debate Sami Zaatari you are the clear victor. Refuted all his arguments while any of his refutations will be a contradiction to what JESUS SAID. I love the theme music of the Message at beginning and end, I love that movie and need to watch it again.
QuranPsychology 1 day ago in playlist Christianity and the Bible
I would like SAMI to debate Dr. William Lane Craig! Or LAURENCE TISDALL! It would be a great debate! Thanks!
PrincessOfMasada 2 days ago
Wow! Sammi was having a really hard time answering John 1:1. Dr White RIGHTLY pointed out that he was arguing against what we Christians DO NOT believe. Such a shame! Sammy needs to go back, study what Christians REALLY believe & teach, then try & tear it down; w/ Scripture, not questions! Till then he needs to stay out of the debating arena
djvdiddy 1 week ago
@djvdiddy Shame on you for denying the truth of Jesus. He refuted those points at 2:01:10 and 2:09:30. It goes with the Quran narrative of God saying 'Be' and it was was. That is God's word and the word was MANIFESTED in creation.
QuranPsychology 1 day ago in playlist Christianity and the Bible
The Origenal son of god comes from the the father that created heven and earth the sun and all the stars and planets
titanictwins 3 weeks ago
@titanictwinswordcanbegodwithmanifestationthruthe son of god andthedoughterof godis inthe son as the son is in the doughter thruth thefatherthesonjust as much gave birth to himself thru the father in his mother gods spirit rains and no man is god
titanictwins 3 weeks ago
Son of god performs the will of god there of and comes from god the father and the father manifests in the son and the holy spirit brings divine manifestation and groth in a son of god as a man and as a child
titanictwins 3 weeks ago
one more just in case:
A man erected a building and adorned this edifice with great beauty, but he left an empty niche, in the corner where just one brick was missing. People looked around the building and marvelled at its beauty, but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche? I am like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in the line of the Prophets." (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib).
you see the words "I am the last in the line of the Prophets"
pantherlake2002 1 month ago
@pantherlake2002 Thank you, its almost close but not quite. It doesn't follow the standard "I'm a prophet." Look, I'm not here to disprove Muhammad or Islam. I'm demonstrating the same limitations that Muslims use against the Trinity. If a Muslims tells me, "Where does Jesus say, 'I am God'" and ignores my references to the doctrine of the Trinity (even though it does meet his standard) I'll will start questioning Mohammad as a prophet.
I'm going to bed. I'll be back Sunday.
116Pilgrim 1 month ago
@116Pilgrim I dont understand the comparison you are making. Prophet mohammad(peace upon him) says he is a prophet but Jesus never says who he is, if you want people to believe Jesus is God then he has to say it,
pantherlake2002 1 month ago
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pantherlake2002 4 weeks ago
@pantherlake2002 The problem is not that Jesus never said He is God, the problem is that muslims don't want to accept that the Jesus of the Bible proclaimed to be God. Muslims normally forced the text to say what they want to hear...
gussyvallejos 1 week ago
@gussyvallejos Why would someone want to accept as God when the person never said he is god? There is alot of things Jesus does and says that proofs he is not God, like him being ignorant, God is not ignorant, also, him getting circumcised, him saying he can't do nothing, etc, and ask for the bible it is not even reliable, we dont even know the authors of the bible, that is not me saying it, that is your scholars saying it,
pantherlake2002 1 week ago
@pantherlake2002 I didn't say you have to accept it, I said you push the words so you don't have to accept it. If you're going to say that Jesus never said He was God and therefore He is not God with the same set of mind Jesus never said He wasn't God therefore He is God. There are a lot of points that Jesus made about His deity thru out the gospels.The Bible says that and if you don't to believe in the Bible that's your issue just don't deny what the BIble says.CONT'D
gussyvallejos 1 week ago
@pantherlake2002 There is difference between believing and understanding what a book says, again, if you don't want to believe in the Bible is your issue but the Bible is clear for you to misrepresent it. For example, my understanding of a prophet is that must be a Jew, however, your book says an arab is a prophet. I don't believe in that but that's what your book says, I can't misrepresent it. very easy to understand, DO NOT misrepresent the Bible. God Bless!!
gussyvallejos 1 week ago
@gussyvallejos so you are racist, I understand since you believe God was a jew, in my religion God sent a messenger to every nation.
pantherlake2002 1 week ago
@pantherlake2002 that's what your religion believe but why did you call me racist?
gussyvallejos 1 week ago
@gussyvallejos I called you racist because you said "my understanding of a prophet is that must be a Jew," if that is what your religion believes please show me that in the bible, btw, before Jesus how were the gentiles judged since according to you they never recieved a law or any prophets??
pantherlake2002 1 week ago
@pantherlake2002 that's not being a racist ignorant that's "my understanding". Gentiles were saved ... let the Word of God answer your question read Matt. 12.38-42.. Read it and then explain what you understand
gussyvallejos 1 week ago
@gussyvallejos It is racist because according to you the gentiles were never given laws or prophets, your God only cares about the jews, it is not far for the gentiles to burn in hell and they never received any laws or prophets, not only that they are suppose to worship a God who became a jew, ask for the verses you gave me, it is talking about the unfulfilled prophecy of Jesus according to Christians, the sign of Jonah,
pantherlake2002 1 week ago
@pantherlake2002 What you're saying is just prejudice, God gave the law to the Jew so the other nations can come praise the Lord when watching all the thing HE did and does for Israel, the nations that didn't believe will burn and those who believed are saved (i.e. Matthew 12.41)BTW the same happens now Christians share the gospel, the good news of salvation but (READ Luke 6.46-49) tell me how do muslims get saved? and from what?
gussyvallejos 1 week ago
@gussyvallejos sorry if I offended you, but that was my point of view, it seems to me Christianity does not care about the gentiles, because the Jews received laws and prophets and you believe others did not, Salvation in Islam is worshiping the creator alone, and obey Him by following what He revealed, All of the prophets preached the same message from Adam all the way to Mohammad(peace be upon them), that message is Worshiping God alone, and follow what He revealed,
pantherlake2002 1 week ago
@pantherlake2002 You're not offending me BTW Christians are GENTILES. Ok so you are saved by worshiping and following what its revealed, so what happens if you fail? Unless you're considering yourself perfect I believe you have failed, so what happens if you fail? because you have to pay for your mistakes right, that's the law... so what happens?
gussyvallejos 1 week ago
@gussyvallejos God does not expect us to be perfect because He did not create us in that state, God expect us to try our best, He wants us to return to Him when we make mistakes, when I sin, I repent to Allah, and Allah is the Most Gracious, Most Merciful,He will forgive me, Inshallah,
pantherlake2002 1 week ago
@pantherlake2002 See based on the law that we talk so much requires that you pay something for breaking it, so basically allah doesn't have any standard. 1st difference between you and Christianity, the law is the standard that reflects God's character. When we obey we are just doing that obeying nothing extra to pay for our "mistakes". BTW God created us perfect (according to HIS image) WE decided to sin and the pay for that is dead...so how do you pay for your sins or "mistakes"?
gussyvallejos 1 week ago
@gussyvallejos If God created us perfect than we would not have been able to sin in the first place, btw, I using "perfect" like a angel, in my religion, only Allah is perfect, see in Islam, angels do not have free will, they are not like humans, and jinns, they only do what Allah ordered them to do. If you believe God gave us freewill then, He knows that we would have sinned, that is why He forgave Adam and Eve when they repented, God is both Just and merciful in Islam.
pantherlake2002 1 week ago
@pantherlake2002 Again He created Adam perfect with the ability to choose, in Adam the whole humanity chose to sin and for Adam sin entered the world. You said that God knew we where going to sin which is totally CORRECT but just b/c He knew doesn't mean the law can be broken without penalty if the penalty isn't paid no justice will be served. So allah can't be just if he only forgive based only on mercy, in other words allah can be either merciful or just but NOT both
gussyvallejos 1 week ago
@gussyvallejos Again, God is both Just and merciful in Islam, Allah accepts the repents of His slaves when they repent, if you believe Your Lord does not do that, that is your problem, My Lord forgives,and He does not need to kill Himself in order to forgive, He does not need to do anything to forgive, He is the Lord of the worlds,
pantherlake2002 1 week ago
@pantherlake2002 what is that you don't understand? let's put it this way if someone kills your parents and you bring that someone to court and the judge forgives that someone b/c he repented, will you be willing to say that judge is just? apply that example to different mistakes such as prostitution, adultery, robbery, etc
gussyvallejos 1 week ago
@gussyvallejos the example of the orginal sin is not the same as killing, Adam and Eve did not kill anyone, they ate a simple fruit dude, it was a test from Allah, they repented to Allah, and Allah forgive them, do you believe God is so cruel that He does not forgive a simple mistake? When your child makes a simple mistake, do you kill yourself in order to forgive them? no, right, you just forgive them dude,
pantherlake2002 1 week ago
@pantherlake2002 I wasn't as simple as to eat a fruit Adam disobeyed GOD,every other sin is disobeying GOD so there is no level/ratings between sin, for GOD a liar is the same as murderer...When my child disobeys I put him in timeout he has to understand there is a consequence for that, in your case you can do whatever you want b/c there is no consequence and with that NO justice is SERVED, allah fails to be just/fair again
gussyvallejos 1 week ago
@gussyvallejos Do you know what repenting means bro?? The devil trick them and they forgot about what Allah told them, when they realized their mistake, they repented to Allah, and Allah forgave them, because they repented to Him, Allah is not so cruel that He will not accept the repents of His slaves, if they are sincere. According to you, God is not forgiving, and He is not merciful, also there is no justice in God killing Himself. That is actually blasphemy.
pantherlake2002 1 week ago
@pantherlake2002 I know what repent means but that it's just an argument for allah to be merciful which I'm not arguing, what I'm arguing is the Just/Fair title that you want to give him... again you can call allah however you want except Just b/c he's not...as soon as you recognize that I will explain to you the Hebrew ATONEMENT concept, until then don't put words in my mouth that I've never said.
gussyvallejos 1 week ago
@gussyvallejos MY Lord is the Most forgiving, Most merciful, and He forgave Adam and Eve, I dont know why you can't accept that, it is like you believe God is not forgiving, and He is not merciful, it is like you believe God needs to do something in order to forgive like kill Himself, I seek refuge in Allah, that is blasphemy, Allah is free from all needs, worthy of all praise, praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds,
pantherlake2002 1 week ago
@pantherlake2002 Again you are not able to understand allah can be all you want (forgiving, merciful, etc) but CANNOT be JUST...I'm arguing about allah being merciful, the system that he uses to forgive is not JUST...when you accept that I'll teach about the atonement...God Bless
gussyvallejos 1 week ago
@gussyvallejos I already told you bro, God is both Just and merciful in Islam, in the example of Adam and Eve, He was showing His mercy, they repent to Him, and He forgave them, I dont know why you believe it is so hard for God to do that,
pantherlake2002 1 week ago
@pantherlake2002 I guess you only want to argue...you said allah is Just and merciful, and the example you gave only proved he is merciful, how can you prove allah is JUST?..I'll give you a hint ...YOU CAN NOT but I really like you to try...
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@gussyvallejos you are the one who just want to argue and you are very closed minded. You make a conclusion without me even giving you a response. Before I even respond, you are like He can not, this shows you are not sincere, Allah is JUST because He allows His slaves to repent to Him. God does not expect you to be perfect, He gave you a free will, and He wants you to try your best, and when you make a mistake, He wants you to repent to Him, and He will forgive you, shows Mercy and Justice,
pantherlake2002 1 week ago
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@116Pilgrim you said "I just as easily say Muhammad wasn't a prophet because he never confessed himself saying "I am a prophet" Let me put your challenge to the test, if I find a hadith in which prophet mohammad(peace be upon him) says the exact words "I am a prophet" would you accept prophet mohammad(peace be upon him) as a prophet? if not, please stop bring up silly arguments,
pantherlake2002 4 weeks ago
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sam shamoun IS NOT REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT CHRISTIANITY.... he knows that this religion is out of the right path!
the thing is that HE IS DOING HIS BEST IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE FUNDS FOR HIS POCKET!
:-)
ASUSM2VMXSE 2 months ago
I'm glad Jesus is god. And I'm glad dr.white proved that flawlessly.
3SpaceCadet 2 months ago 2
@3SpaceCadet where did Jesus say he is God?
pantherlake2002 1 month ago
@pantherlake2002 John 8:57-59, John 17:5
116Pilgrim 1 month ago
@116Pilgrim What is your point? These verses do not proof he claim to be God, it is just your interpretation, muslims believe God knew what Jesus would do before He created him so muslims can argue Jesus was talking about this,
pantherlake2002 1 month ago
@pantherlake2002 You make no sense. The proof is in the context that you keep ignoring. Even the Jews accused Jesus of claiming deity in John 8:57 and Jesus never rebuked them for it. Then Jews picked up stones to throw at him for blasphemy. (1) Jesus claims to have existed before Creation (2) Jesus seeks same glory as God the Father. (John 17:5)
116Pilgrim 1 month ago
@116Pilgrim Again, it is your interpretation, muslims would say Jesus was talking about that God knew Jesus before He created him, similar to what God says according to the bible in Jeremiah 1:5,also Jesus believed that God was one,and not trinity, Mark 12:29, if you really believe Jesus was saying he was God, then he would have said I am God, and he would not be coward about it, but this is stated nowhere in the bible, in fact the opposite is proven in John 5:30,
pantherlake2002 1 month ago
@pantherlake2002 The context mentions nothing about God's foreknowledge of Jesus anywhere. The text says Jesus existed eternally. Even the Jews said it for themselves in John 8:57, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" But instead you deny this and scrabble the text for your interpretation. Now, your standards demand that Jesus would have to say this phrase "I am God" in order to claim deity. Even Muhammad didn't confessed directly "I am a prophet."
116Pilgrim 1 month ago
@116Pilgrim the text does not say Jesus existed eternally, and it does not say it is not talking about God's foreknowledge, it is interpretation and your interpretation does not even make sense because Jesus was created and he came out of a woman just like everyone,can we claim such a thing, ? Also, Jesus does have to say he is God, because he has to say who he is, and what you said about prophet mohammad(peace be upon him) is silly, I can quote hadiths clearly stating who he was,
pantherlake2002 1 month ago
@pantherlake2002 It does make sense. God became flesh and dwelt among his creation as Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Read (John 1:14 and John 1:1). There are many verses that Jesus claim to be divine but that not good enough because he must say the phrase, "I am God." Well then, I just as easily say Muhammad wasn't a prophet because he never confessed himself saying "I am a prophet".
116Pilgrim 1 month ago
@116Pilgrim first thing,John 1:14, John 1:1 are not even the words of Jesus christ so they do not proof he claim to be God, even christians have different interpretations on those verses, Prophet mohammad(peace be upon him) clearly told us who he is. If Jesus claims he is God, he has to say who he is, prophet mohammad(peace be upon him) says in many hadiths that he is a prophet, so your comparison is a joke, I can send hadiths to you, also
pantherlake2002 1 month ago
@pantherlake2002 If that's the case, I can point out John 20:28-29 in which Disciple Thomas confessed "my Lord and my GOD" directly to Jesus but your standards are that Jesus must make that confession himself. So then, the Hadiths may say Muhammad is a prophet but he never confessed himself to be one. I too can use that standard.
116Pilgrim 1 month ago
@116Pilgrim Again, that is not the words of Jesus, there are many hadiths that prophet mohammad(peace be upon him) says he is a prophet of Allah. that means he clearly says that he is a prophet, that is a joke, and you do worship a man who came out of a woman so you do not worship the God of Abraham, and Abraham never worshipped trinity,
pantherlake2002 1 month ago
@pantherlake2002 Ok then, please show me where Muhammad confessed, "I am a prophet." I'm open to correction.
That's where we definitely disagree. This is my position: Allah of Islam is not YHWH and I worship the one true God (YHWH). I have nothing more to say on the subject.
116Pilgrim 1 month ago
@116Pilgrim The Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) has said: Do not over praise me as the Christians over-praised the son of Mary. I am His slave so say: 'Allah's slave and messenger' [Al-Bukhaari and Muslim] heard Allah's Apostle saying, "I am the nearest of all the people to the son of Mary, and all the prophets are paternal brothers, and there has been no prophet between me and him (i.e. Jesus)."I could list more but this should be enough if you are sincere,
pantherlake2002 1 month ago
@116Pilgrim also, if you want to worship a created thing then go ahead but dont say you worship the God of Abraham, because the God of Abraham is uncreated, and He creates everything,
pantherlake2002 1 month ago
@pantherlake2002 I worship the eternal God (YHWH) who exists as three persons but is ONE God.
Not Muhammad's god of Islam.
116Pilgrim 1 month ago
Sami well done
TheSayfullah114 3 months ago
the arquments of the muslim speaker are pretty weak... there are numerous Bible passages in the old testament where God is clearly more than one being! Zachariah 12:10, Genesis 16:7 He is referred to as the angel of YHVH but then in 16:13 as YHVH HIMSELF! ( ISNT IT INTERESTING?)Genesis 19:24 We have YHVH number one raining fire and brimstone from a second YHVH who is in heaven, the first one is on earth.Hosea 1:7 the speaker is Elohim who says He will save them by the Lord (YHVH), their God)
barcafun100 3 months ago
@barcafun100 You said `where God is clearly more than one being!`` I think you mean more than one person in the same being that is God, because if you say more than one being, the old testament says that there is only one God, and you are telling me there are passages that prove otherwise. If that is the case, than there is a clear contradiction.
peaceisgood23 2 months ago
@peaceisgood23 no i meant being. The old testament does NOt teach that there is one BEING. Deutronomy 6 teaches that there is ONE GOD. the word God there is in the plural which is Elohim which means GODS! and the word one is echad means a unity! the Bible never says God is one being! it says God is one but that does not mean God is one being. The Bible teches that God is a unity.
barcafun100 2 months ago
Muslims believe that Jesus was born of a virgin and is the Messiah. Sounds like you need to define Son and Messiah according to the Bible. He was Gods Son - born of God, and of woman. This is the Elohim, God with Us. Jesus said "Before Abraham, I am" and these...
'No man knows the Father (none), but the Son and whoever he reveals him to."
'If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.'
This is Jesus showing an exclusive kinship.
Furthermore, Jesus' Father said "This is my beloved Son"
Fail.
TheLaunchingPad 3 months ago
James White is probably the best debater among all Muslim and Christian debaters. It's amazing to watch how he presents his case :)
ndntakeover24 3 months ago
Assalamu Alaikum Bu thhe Holly qur'an and by the Holly Bible Jesus or Yeshua or Isa as did not rise from the dead. He was cruscified , taken alive down cured with medicine for three days , as prophecy says (as son of man will be in belly of fish, same son of man will be in belly of the Earth)and than gone to visit other 10 lost tribe of Israel (bani Israil) back to Kashmeer where he died. Qur'an says that he and his mother have been rised on high place with water.Why Bible is not talking of Mary
atomac23 3 months ago
i salute Sami Zaatari for standing there and facing those laughing and mocking people.
liquidus2172 4 months ago
@Talba91 "...treat people differently..." examples ?
liquidus2172 4 months ago
@liquidus2172 you must be kidding...you realy dont know any examples or are you acting like you dont know?...fine here's an example, in Sura 3:28 it says dont befriend disbelievers and dont trust them..
Talba91 4 months ago
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The Qur’ānic instruction of not taking the unbelievers as friends must be carefully analyzed and understood in the context of the circumstance under which the verse was revealed. The verse and sūrah was revealed in 3 A.H./625 C.E. after the battle of Badr and Uhud when the Muslims were in a state of confrontation with the unbelievers. Keeping this backdrop in mind, whenever conditions are hostile, people of other faith causing the hostility cannot be trusted to uphold...
liquidus2172 4 months ago
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the interest of the Muslims (cf. 3:118; 5:51; 60:8-9). According to Rāghib, the key word wali (Pl. auliya) commonly understood to be ‘friend’, ‘a close person’, ‘an executor’, ‘a guardian’ etc. refers to nearness or friendship with respect to help and belief. Under such circumstance if someone makes alliance or friendship with the enemies, then they are on their own, Allāh would not protect them. The message of this verse does not apply to casual friendship at work...
liquidus2172 4 months ago
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...or school since 60:8-9 expressly allow making friendship with unbelievers who are not hostile to the Muslims and circumstances of war does not exist between them.
source: qurancommentary(.)com/comm3_28.html
(remove parenthesis between the dot . )
liquidus2172 4 months ago
@liquidus2172 someone of a different belief was automatically an enemy?..i can understand having enemies cuz they staredt hostilities against you who HAPPEN to have a different belief system but not just merely on different religion.. and the definition you cited :‘friend’, ‘a close person’, ‘an executor’, ‘a guardian’ etc. refers to nearness or friendship with respect to help and belief" isnt this definition itself promoting not befriending disbelievers?
Talba91 4 months ago
@liquidus2172 and another thing..why doesnt the Quran just say befriend whoever is not hostile to you no matter of their beliefs or whoever proves to you that they are peaceful..why make the battle of badr an example or draw ONLY one lesson/perspective out of it like "dont befriend disbelivers" and not "see this is why war is bad, dont start war and hostilities because only bad things are the result"?
Talba91 4 months ago
@Talba91 you didn't understand what's in the tafsir of that verse, let me explain it in plain English so you can understand, Muslims befriend only non hostile infidels, unless they start hostilities (like insulting the Prophet, etc...) and then they become their enemies.
and for the battle of Badr, Abu Sufyan (former disbeliever) took the material positions of Muslims (while they fled to Madina) and sold them for gold, the Muslims only took what's theirs in the first place!
liquidus2172 4 months ago
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bloodhoundHermetic 5 months ago
lol, forget what i wrote in the last, part, i really don't understand it myself. But i could however show you the verses of plurality if you want?
PoitierFrance 5 months ago
god is eternal, he is ever-lasting, he is self-sufficient, he is the creator, he neither gets tired nor does he sleep, he is nothing like his creation, whatever we see with our own eyes is his creation, he knows what we conceal and what we reveal. he tells us to reflect on his creation, he tells us to ponder on his creation. it is our creator who gives us sustenance,did he not create the ocean that we drink, did he not create the animals,look at yourself, did he not create the eyes that you see?
NAXMUI 5 months ago
christians say Jesus is God and the son of God , which is the utter nonsense ! GOD IS THE SON OF HIMSELF AND HE SITS ON THE RIGHT HAND OF HIMSELF !
MrCobra811 6 months ago
@MrCobra811 Thats because, you have seen Jesus and God as separate entities.My right hand does my will of serving me and it sits on my right,so does my left.Does that mean, my hands are not a part of me?.You cannot pick and choose, wouldn't make sense.Connect all the dots.
MrTheCorrupter 5 months ago
@MrTheCorrupter "I will not again destroy Ephraim;for I am God AND NOT A MAN" [Hosea 11:9]
"4 How then can man be justified with God?or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?........6 How much less MAN,THAT IS WORM?& the SON OF MAN,WHICH IS A WORM?"[Job25:4-6]
From above verses we learn that God is not a MAN & also man born from a woman and Son of man are nothing but despicable and worthless "worm".
PeacefulOnly 4 months ago
@MrTheCorrupter Yet,Jesus was born from a woman,was a man,and was also called"son of man" in Psalm 80:17,Matthew 26:24,Mark 14:21.
Jesus is not GOD, and GOD is not (a despicable "worm")man!
In the light of the above passages,GOD Almighty clearly Declared that He would never become a man!
Also God said in the Bible:
"For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." (Malachi 3:6)"
GOD Almighty does not change!
So how come U claim Jesus is GOD??
ANSWER THIS???
PeacefulOnly 4 months ago
@PeacefulOnly Part 1 :You Pagans,mug up a lot by can see anything.
Genesis 19 The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw THREE standing nearby.
Nowhere is it said that the Lord cannot become man-only that God is not man,come out of that polygamist adulterers lie that Jesus was just a man.John10:30 "Before Abraham was,I am
bloodhoundHermetic 4 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic Lolol Dumbass try to learn the difference between "god can become a man" & "god is a man". God can take the form of a man but he can never be a man like us.
GOD IS NOT A MAN.This is repeated in many places in the Bible-Numbers 23:19,Hosea 11:9,Job25:4-6 etc.
BUT,wait a sec don't U hypocrite chriSATANs believe that god(aka jesus) is 100% man & 100% god.
Isn't this in conflict with the Bible?? What do U say PAGAN(idolator Constantine made god out of a man Jesus)??
PeacefulOnly 4 months ago
@PeacefulOnly Part 2: Now since I have answered you on the ability of God to become man and also about the false prophet Muhammed.Let me tell you what happens to the Pagan nations for making him a coward who escaped the cross,for equating his name to polygamists,murderers and adulterers and corrupting the name of YAHshua/YAH_eh.The sovereign Lord of Israel says he is going to lay waste to Teman,Dedan(Saudi Arabia), he is going to kill Edom,Cush,Put (conspirators against ISrael).-Ezekiel 25:13
bloodhoundHermetic 4 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic Israel is a land in control of the jews & not christians.The Judaism's holiest book Talmud says:
1."Jesus fornicated with his jackass"[Sanhedrin105a-b]
2."says that Jesus is currently being boiled in hot excrement![2.Gittin,57a]
3."says that Jesus deserved execution![3.Sanhedrin, 43a]
4."May was a whore!"[Sanhedrin,106a]
Your PAGAN god(who happens to be jesus)will save this Israel,whose inhabitants believe Jesus is gay,burning in hell. LoL This is the JOKE OF THE CENTURY !!!
PeacefulOnly 4 months ago
@PeacefulOnly It doesnt matter what the Sanhedrin says, lol.I see you are poorly read and frustrated.Frustration comes out of ignorance Pagan.
Zechariah 12:10
10 “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, [a]the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
Their time has not come.
bloodhoundHermetic 4 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic Rabbi Efrati is quoted in Israeli paper Ynet news that Jews can (and indeed should) pray in mosques.This is not news - previous rabbis have ruled the same way.
However, interesting to note that Jews aren't allowed to even step inside a Christian Church - let alone pray in one:
he stressed that praying in churches was completely and strictly forbidden. In fact, it is forbidden to step into a church, bcoz it is a "PAGAN" house of worship.
PeacefulOnly 4 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic The rabbinic consensus,based on the Talmud (Avodah Zara 17a,)is that it is forbidden to enter a church, even if just to admire the architecture or artwork. This body of opinion spans the generations and comprises leading medieval Sephardic and Ashkenazi rabbis such as Maimonides, Rashba (Rabbi Solomon ben Aderet), Ritba (Rabbi Yom Tov ibn Asevilli) and Rosh (Rabbi Asher ben Yechiel), as well as contemporary halachists including Rabbis Moshe Feinstien, Ovadia Yosef and Eliezer
PeacefulOnly 4 months ago
@PeacefulOnly Hah,u teaching the Jew about who codified the Talmund"?.I think ur head is a bit out ,to quote me what the senhadrin or what the Jewish scholars(men)made after the destruction of the 2nd temple!!,since the Torah(prophetic) justifies the messiah!!ur desperation is laughable,Pagan.Immao Cletus Simpson, stone kisser,Kedar is goin to burn and no Arab is goign to pitch his tent there.TRUTH??Aishas pussi,LMAO.Wouldnt it be nice to see foreworks over the Pagan Kabah in Teman and Dedan?..
bloodhoundHermetic 4 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic Gen 38-15 -30 say jesus descend from a prostitute whore and bastard great grand fathers Judah pays Tamar the bitch with a signet-ring, bracelets after he found out LOL HAHAH she is his daughter inlaw,and demands that she should be burnt to death. But she gets a way with it because he is the one who FUCKED her she later had judah's twin brother called Pharez and Zarah-this Pharez the son of the prostitute become the great great grand father of jesus.
PeacefulOnly 4 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic The fundamental question is... Are all jews alive today the fruits of Judah's illegitimate sex? The answer of this question will expose the whole of your Jewish "race". Either you will reject Bible and accept Quran and lead a honorable life, Otherwise the whole of your Jewish race is the result of illegal sex i.e. fornication and adultery. <-- A/c to Bible.
The Jews as per Bible are the offspring of illegal sex. What a race ur god chose to be his own?? What a joke ?? HAHA
PeacefulOnly 4 months ago
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@bloodhoundHermetic The fundamental question is... Are all jews alive today the fruits of Judah's illegitimate sex? The answer of this question will expose the whole of your Jewish "race". Either you will reject Bible and accept Quran and lead a honorable life, Otherwise the whole of your Jewish race is the result of illegal sex i.e. fornication and adultery. <-- A/c to Bible.
The Jews as per Bible are the offspring of illegal sex. What a race ur god chose to be his own?? What a joke ?? HAHA
PeacefulOnly 4 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic Jews are ordered by their scholars not to worship in any churches in case there is no synagogue. But they are permitted to worship in Muslim Mosque. Because they call you chriSATANs as pagans. And you can have your research from jewish sources.
CONCLUSION : The scholars of Islam & Judaism have concluded that chriSATANs do not worship the same god as they worship. Hence chriSATANs shoul be rightly abused & called as "PAGAN SATANISTS".
PeacefulOnly 4 months ago
@PeacefulOnly Conclusion: Jews and Islam cannot refute the Messiah so They resort to saying "It cannot be because my prophet said so." They say Jesus Mom should let baby Jesus play and never worry because he is God and won't ever be kidnapped. It is nonsense! All of you will be ashamed when He returns - and he will - even the prophets come before him and are killed and raised like him to devastate all other religions and allow time for repentance. What will you do when the witnesses rise?
TheLaunchingPad 3 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad "22.Many will say to me in that day,Lord, lord,have we not in thy name prophesied?and in thy name cast out demons?and in thy name done many mighty things?
23.and then I will acknowledge to them,that--I never knew you,depart from me ye who are working lawlessness"Matthew7:22-23
* The only people that call Jesus LORD r the Christians whether Good,Bad or hypocrite, with all the good work u do in his name he is denying divinity ,he never asked U to worship him.
SO GET LOST.
PeacefulOnly 3 months ago
@TheLaunchingPad Allah made a Claim....and Jesus made a claim.
1) Claim of Allah is that "You can not produce a book like Quran"...
Claim is TRUE to this day....as there is NO BOOK on this earth which is SO PURE (not being changed) even after 1400 years.
2) Claim of Jesus was that his followers will DRINK POISON and will not DIE ..(Mark 16:17-18)
Everyone can see where the TRUTH is!!!
PeacefulOnly 3 months ago
@PeacefulOnly Brother, we are to be wary on the way we preach to man. God has come into this world and lived among men! That He made a way for man so that they may live in the presence of God, and that is through Christ. Man have traded the image of God for the tradition of man, to keep with the law. All have fallen short, there is no hope apart from Christ, we are not called to solely win debates, but to preach Christ crucified brother. God bless.
PopcornMawn 3 months ago
@PopcornMawn - Good words. You nailed it on the head with "he may live in the presence of God". There is no Holy Spirit who teaches men a false doctrine that accuses Christ of being a liar. The Holy Spirit gave the apostles discernment of spirits and doctrines whether they be of God. They can be good people and never know that God walked among them but they will never drink from the water of life until they call on Christ and acknowledge his lordship and Sonship as Only Begotten of God himself.
TheLaunchingPad 3 months ago
@PopcornMawn I will give you one verse from the Bible that destroys the false crucifixion:
"In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!" / Luke 13:33 (New International Version)
Killing two birds with one stone here: Jesus is confirming that he is a Prophet (thus, NOT God), AND giving a CLEAR prophecy that he will not die at the cross at Golgotha,which is OUTSIDE of Jerusalem.
The sooner you realise this,the better.
PeacefulOnly 3 months ago
@PopcornMawn *Its HERESY to equate God to creation as man *Trinity is man-made/has NO basis in Scripture *God is ONE [Exod20:3,Mrk12:29,Quran2:163] *God is NOT man/son [Num23:19] & NEVER seen [Exod33:20] *Christ is created by a Word of God just as Adam or Universe "Let there BE..." [Gen ch1,2] *God does NOT need blood sacrifice [Hos6:6] *you are NOT born with original sin[Ezek18:20]*Salvation is: Surrender to God[ISLAM] and His MERCY.
Is any1 willing to surrender to GOD[Muslim]now and be saved?
PeacefulOnly 3 months ago
@PopcornMawn Let me quote:
"And these SIGNS WILL ACCOMPANY those who believe.In my name...they WILL PICK UP SNAKES with their hands;& when they drink deadly poison,it WILL NOT HURT them at all..."(NIV)[Mark16:17-18]
Notice the uses of words "SIGNS WILL ACCOMPANY","WILL PICK UP SNAKES" etc
This can only be true if the signs fulfill & things happen & they should happen for true christians. LOL
Either ur God is a liar or christians do not trust their God at all.
PeacefulOnly 3 months ago
@PeacefulOnly You're using NIV, it's an unreliable version that was originally made for young kids. Now it's spread out too far. Another thing about this verse is that it can be symbolic. Matthew 5:3 says blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven. They know they can't do anything without looking to Christ, and there we are strong when we are weak. When we look to Jesus Christ and seeing that he died for our sins, and not looking to our performance.
PopcornMawn 3 months ago
@PopcornMawn Jesus saw himself as ONLY God's prophet (Mark 6:4, Luke 13:33 ) and NEVER rebuked others when he was called so (John 4:19). He NEVER denied being a prophet. And his contemporaries understood him likewise, as God's anointed servant and prophet. That is why they praised God (instead of Jesus) for the miracles he performed (Matt 9:8, Acts 2:22 ).
In other words, they distinguished between God the Creator & Jesus, the created being. Both are NEVER synonymous.
PeacefulOnly 3 months ago
@PeacefulOnly - Jesus protected his apostles and said what he said to encourage them. Paul was bitten by a venomous snake and he didn't even flinch. The slight discrepancies in our book give it credibility. Your book was a master plan to take the Torah and re-write it shorter. One man wrote your book so he remembered what he wrote and made sure there was no errors (that's easy). Our book was written by One God and Many men and still says the same gospel. Bible is God's Word! U Failed.
TheLaunchingPad 3 months ago
@PeacefulOnly And...I am of Jewish descent.So stop teaching me the Torah.Lol
bloodhoundHermetic 4 months ago
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@bloodhoundHermetic Israel is a land in control of the jews & not christians.The Judaism's holiest book Talmud says:
1."Jesus fornicated with his jackass"[Sanhedrin105a-b]
2."says that Jesus is currently being boiled in hot excrement![2.Gittin,57a]
3."says that Jesus deserved execution![3.Sanhedrin, 43a]
4."May was a whore!"[Sanhedrin,106a]
Your PAGAN god(who happens to be jesus)will save this Israel,whose inhabitants believe Jesus is gay,burning in hell. LoL This is the JOKE OF THE CENTURY !!!
PeacefulOnly 4 months ago
@PeacefulOnly Part 3:Make connections stone kisser...you have been answered.And the owner of the video is a sissy, he gets whooped badly, and he block people.So I may not be able to answer you,next time.All your queries have been answered easily..
bloodhoundHermetic 4 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic *a talk with a chriSATAN* what is christianity?=to believe jesus died for yr sin.What is sin?=to follow the commandments did jesus sin?=no why?=because he followed the commandments & never broke one.If someone else follow & never broke them will he be sinless=NO why?=because paul said all have sinned how?=NO IDEA what are those commandments=to believe jesus died for yr sin did moses,solomon,aron,noah sin=yes are they in paradise?=yes how?=NO IDEA moral=christianity is a JOKE
PeacefulOnly 4 months ago
@PeacefulOnly Cry me a river stone kisser..you and your logic are done,you know it and I know it..The rest of your rants dont make sense,Christianity might be a joke for ye mohemmedans, no one asked you to follow Christ.Inshalllah you will receive your 72 virgins and the strength of 100 men.Now stop flooding my Inbox,I dont babble in vain.Go your way Pagan.
bloodhoundHermetic 4 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic Hahahahaha
What happened sissy boy??Is the Truth too much for U to handle. Go to ur mama & cry.
Better go to ur pagan ROCK god & pray that he first give U the balls & make U a man.
2 sam 22:32 "for who is god, besides the lord? and who is a "Rock", besides our god?"
Shoo shoo sissy boy. Live a life of pagan disgrace & die a COWARD death like ur "god died". HAHAHAHAHA
PeacefulOnly 4 months ago
@PeacefulOnly Jazakkallah, mai Allah grant u 72 virgins and the strenght of 100 men in paradise where green birds sits on chandeliers and in the presence of a god who made his first creation a Parker Pen(the noor of Allah).Hei and go for kissing the black stone before Teman and Dedan are gonna fall bi the sword .Stai safe old man.I see,I have shaken u a bit and peacufli Onli has become peacefuli Osama.I have no more time for u,I need to revert as mani open minded back to christ from adulterers.
bloodhoundHermetic 4 months ago
@MrCobra811 God can not be the son of himself if He is a unitarian. The Trinity speaks of God as the Father, Son and the Holy spirit, three distinct yet inseperable persons. Think about this, Past, Present, Future= Time.
Sami Zaatari repeats the same basic mistakes of Ahmed deedat, that the doctrine of the Trintiy says that God is one person but three persons. No wonder it does not make sense to them.
PoitierFrance 5 months ago
@PoitierFrance You're comparing God to God's creation, God created time, so your argument is invalidated by such comparison. God is unique, unlike His creation, God does not have parents, God does not have wives, therefore God does not have children. If God is 3, then He is no longer 1, because you are dividing Him into parts from the very start. The Spirit is not God, and Jesus is not God. [Quiz time:] When did Jesus ever say "I and the Holy Spirit are one"?
BibleIslam 5 months ago
@BibleIslam wow you bring up good points, which seems impressiv to the ingnorant mind. The fact that we can speak, that we can reason and have a will etc etc is because God is also likte that, the diffrence is that he is so in a perfect way. Here however we see a comparison beetwen him and creation. The bible says that his eternal attributes are visible in the nature so we are all without excuse.
PoitierFrance 5 months ago
Even islamic scholars admitted the difficulty in defnining the oness of God. What for example is the relationship beetwen the essence and the attributes. And so we see the rise of conflict beetwen ahlul-sunnah and mutazila'h. When you Say God is three and divided do you thnik of one essence and then that essence divided beetwen three?
PoitierFrance 5 months ago
@PoitierFrance When I read your comments, I wonder why Christians call themselves, Monotheists. There is nothing Monotheistic having different pictures of God in your heart even if all you are saying is one in your mouth. What is deference between Hindus and Christianity? Hindus also say they believe in one God. Somehow Christianity took a wrong turn some place.
PeacefulOnly 4 months ago
If Time was only past, or only present or only future and then you added one of these three two it then you have divided it. But you can't say it's divided if its existence is by the three parts
PoitierFrance 5 months ago
@PoitierFrance For the sake of discussion, let us assume you were correct with your example. Throughout history, from Adam, to Moses, to Abraham, to Jesus, God has been described as "One", without divisible parts. If God were part of a trinity, we would find mention of it in the Bible, but it is nowhere. Nor has God ever said that He is part of 3, and neither has any prophet (including Jesus) said that God is 3 in 1. It is in fact a commandment that you not compare God to anything.
BibleIslam 5 months ago
@BibleIslam "God is 3 in 1" what is 3 and what is 1. If you mean by three, the father, son and holy spirit, and by 1 meaning one being, one essence then you are correct. In the Old Testament there are many verses that shows there is plurality within Unity. Secondly for God to say plainly that he is 3 in 1 means that he was not that in the first place. Like if you have to say plainly you are a human being that means you must have been something else.
PoitierFrance 5 months ago
@PoitierFrance If I confirm "I am a Human, I am a Male, I was born, I am one person" that doesn't mean I was something else. 3 = 3 and 1 = 1. God is the Creator, Jesus is the Created. God cannot be created. If Jesus is God, that means as a son of Mary, God was subservient and obedient to someone, but God is not subservient or obedient to anyone. Jesus prayed to God, one does not pray to oneself. Jesus doesn't know the future, only God knows the future, therefore Jesus is not God.
BibleIslam 5 months ago
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" Numbers 23:19
EibeMandel 6 months ago
@EibeMandel God is not a man,for sure.But you are limiting gods capabilities by saying,God cannot become man.Read more from the Torah.Few examples read genesis 18:God appeared and walked with Abraham along with two other entities(could see it pluraly,or could see the other two as angels).But they walked as men with Abraham.So then how could god be man?.Who said Jesus was man?,Yeshua became man for a reason,John8:58 Before Abraham was,I am.And thus god is not man,but can choose to become one.
MrTheCorrupter 5 months ago
@MrTheCorrupter "But you are limiting gods capabilities by saying,God cannot become man"
-Can God become stupid if he wills? Or can he go to hell? Or can God be unjust?
EibeMandel 5 months ago
@EibeMandel Is that all you got pagan?.You and I know that you dint make sense with your statement.And no one cares what your inferences are!.But since you quoted from the bible and decided to speak from your ignorance,I quoted from the same Torah, proving to you that God has become man a lot of times in the bible.Maybe Allah,the god of Abdullah and Muhammed cant become a man.But the God of Israel can and has.So maybe next time,come up with a better argument.
MrTheCorrupter 5 months ago
@MrTheCorrupter We don't agree with everything in the Bible :)
The vers I quoted says clearly that God is not a man. If another vers says that he is a man than we have a contradiction.
"Maybe Allah,the god of Abdullah and Muhammed cant become a man"
-Allah is the arabic word for God. Jesus said "Allaha" in aramaic :)
I asked you a question, can God be unjust? Or can he lie? The answer is no. Not because he has not the power to do that but it is not the nature of God to be unjust or to lie
EibeMandel 5 months ago
@EibeMandel Part 1: the owner of this video blocked me from speaking truth, but let the truth prevail;).Brother,you dont need to agree with us since Mathew said,Mathew 24:11 "and many false prophets shall arise and mislead many".Secondly if I disproved your inferences by quoting to you from the same Torah you quoted and showed to you that god has become man, that does not mean that there is a contradiction in the Torah,it means that you have a lot of reading to do;).
bloodhoundHermetic 5 months ago
@EibeMandel Part 2: To answer your question on whether the God of Israel is unjust or whether his prophets lie?, they dont and neither is he unjust.But we are here talking about the God of Israel and not Allah.Allah would deceive his people into believing that his prophet Isa dies(not Yeshua,son of Yahweh).Secondly neither will a Jewish prophet like Abraham break a treaty like how muhammed did at the battle of Hubaidiyah.And your simile was a lil childish;).I,m gonna get blocked,tk cr.
bloodhoundHermetic 5 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic "and many false prophets shall arise and mislead many"
-Paul was a false prophet and a liar who misled over 2 billion people.
" I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive…Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust." John 5:43-45
EibeMandel 5 months ago
@EibeMandel Part 1 :Ignorance at its best, a christian does not need Paul to prove that Jesus is God.Who said that Jesus did not come in the name of his father? did I. Who denied that ?.Are my arms separate from my body if my arms serve me?.John 8:58" I and my father are one" .John 17:5 "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had WITH YOU before the world began.John 14:13 "And I will do whatever you ask in my (JESUS)name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father.
bloodhoundHermetic 5 months ago
@EibeMandel Part 2: so Jesus claimed equality and oneness with his father, wanted worship, showed omnipotence, omnipresence, raised the dead.But as his father hands, he came to serve his fathers will.Yet he is one with his father.He was before Abraham(john 8:58),Start making your connections Muslims.A flase prophet has deceived you into believing that 72 virgins await you in heaven.I,l quote another verse 1john2:22 Who is a lier(false prophet)?anyone who denies the father and the son.
bloodhoundHermetic 5 months ago
@EibeMandel Part 3: So I just proved to you without the help of Paul or his teachings, from the very words of Jesus,that he is God incarnate.I can prove to you from the Torah(OT),if you want me to!!.Paul just reaffirms it.Oh and please use words like Allah,Ibrahim,Isa etc.When you use terms like Abraham(Jewish prophet),Jesus instead of Isa and Allah(the god of abdullah the slave of Allah) when referring to the God of Israel,it becomes a gross distortion.Stay original to your religion.
bloodhoundHermetic 5 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic Part 1: "a christian does not need Paul to prove that Jesus is God"
-Paul is the founder of Christianity, but even he did not believe that Jesus was God. He just claimed that Jesus died for the sins of the world.
"Who said that Jesus did not come in the name of his father? did I. Who denied that ?"
-He came in the name of the Father but you don't listen to him, you listen to Paul who came in his own name. Jesus said:
EibeMandel 5 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic Part 2: "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven" -Matthew 5:19
I have a question, it's forbidden to eat pork, do you eat pork? That is one of the least commandments.
"so Jesus claimed equality and oneness with his father"
…in the sense that the will of Jesus and the will of God are the same and that Jesus fulfills the will of God
EibeMandel 5 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic Part 3: "wanted worship"
only in your interpretation, there are a ton of other verses that show the exact opposite:
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." -Matthew 7:21
EibeMandel 5 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic Part 4: "showed omnipotence"
-"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." -John 5:26
"omnipresence"
"And a woman…Came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched. And Jesus said, Who touched me?" -Luke 8:43-45
"raised the dead"
…with the permission of God
EibeMandel 5 months ago
@EibeMandel Part 1: Well, again Muslims tend to pick and choose.Are you lying to yourself?,you have the audacity to quote John 5:26 but you will never quote John 14:14 "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." whose name ?? ,what if thousand people as at once.Immediately your logic fails.One should have omnipotence to what Jesus claimed, secondly ask in Jesus name, means pray to me.It cant get anymore clearer than that.
bloodhoundHermetic 5 months ago
@EibeMandel Part 2: than you for your question about the law of Moses vs the Law of Jesus.You quoted very correctly,but this time you missed the core of what Jesus said.Mathew 5:18 "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is ACCOMPLISHED" Jesus died by saying,everything is finished.So thus the word of Moses(mans law for a specific time,passes away.
bloodhoundHermetic 5 months ago
@EibeMandel Part 3: And you quoted Mathew 7:21 completely out of context.I just proved to you, that Jesus asked for worship.MAthew 7:21 means, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven unless you do the will of God,just calling the name of Jesus wouldn't help,meaning do good and keep your mouth shut.It has nothing to do with worship.Please stay in context of the subject discussed.
bloodhoundHermetic 5 months ago
@EibeMandel Part 4: Again you understand john 5:27 "I can do nothing by myself" predictably as Muslims would but fail to make the connection here in John10:30 "I and my father are one" and John 5:19 " Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father DOES THE SON ALSO DOES"(who does what God does?other than God).The verse you quoted means,Yeshua the incarnate will not act APART from his father,since they are ONE.It is not incapability.
bloodhoundHermetic 5 months ago
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@bloodhoundHermetic Part 5: "Who is a lier(false prophet)?anyone who denies the father and the son."
-you deny the Father by making him to a man and you deny the son by making him to God
"So I just proved to you…from the very words of Jesus,that he is God incarnate"
-Not really, you "proved" it with your interpretation of certain verses, I proved the opposite with crystal clear statements of Jesus
EibeMandel 5 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic Part 6: Und jetzt erfahre ich, dass du aus Deutschland kommst, perfekt, machen wir auf deutsch weiter :)
"Oh and please use words like Allah,Ibrahim,Isa etc.
-Ich frage mich was das bringen soll, aber das könnte ich, Allah ist wesentlich näher zum hebräischen Eloah als das englische Wort "God" (was es zu der Zeit noch gar nicht gab)
EibeMandel 5 months ago
@EibeMandel Part 5: And again,dont start acting defensive, follower of Muhammed.I have yet not quoted paul and you say Paul made Jesus a deity.Pagan,read this worse and know whom the false prophet denied as prophesied.Zechariah 12:10 Yahweh,the God of Israel speaks to prophet Zechariah "They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son."..Who was Pierced?So,who is speaker?.
bloodhoundHermetic 5 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic Ich finde es lustig, dass du mich Heide nennst, weil deine Religion zum großen Teil von den Heiden übernommen wurde. Gott wird zum Mensch, stirbt für die Sünden der Menschen, erwacht wieder zum Leben, Weihnachten, Ostern, das Anbeten von Heiligen (eine andere Form von Götzendienst) etc.
Du kannst glauben was du willst. Solange du mir keinen Vers zeigst wo Jesus sagt "Ich bin Gott" hast du nichts bewiesen :)
EibeMandel 4 months ago
@EibeMandel PArt 6: Young soul, ;) ;).I have addressed your queries without bringing Paul into the equation.What else do you have?
bloodhoundHermetic 5 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic Muhammad didn't come in his own name but in the name of God, "bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm", "In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful". And who is this Moses who has accusetd you Christians for making Jesus to God and believing in the false teachings of Paul and the Church? It's Muhammad.
EibeMandel 5 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic You know what the funny thing is? You are quoting from the Torah of the Jews to proof your believe but there is not a single Jew who believes that Jesus was God nor do they believe in the Trinity. Muslims believe in the JHWH of the Jews, you believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
youtube.com/watch?v=AmmNn6AHFfM
EibeMandel 5 months ago
@EibeMandel Part 3: The Jews just ignorant of their own Torah.Even their disbelief is prophesied:Zech 12:10 And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son .......(their time hasn't come,that doesn give Islam credibility and he will still remain the God Of Israel
bloodhoundHermetic 5 months ago
@bloodhoundHermetic "And your simile was a lil childish;)"
I find it childish that you are making a difference between the God of Israel and Allah ;)
"I,m gonna get blocked,tk cr."
You can send me a PM ;)
EibeMandel 5 months ago
JackSparrowDepp, how is Christianity from the Devil? I am curious to know
3SpaceCadet 6 months ago
dr.white was to much for that kid. let the truth set u free...
Erap1muzik 6 months ago
JackSparrowDepp, Satan wrote the Christian gosspels? Followers of Jesus wrote the Christian gospels. Are you saying that Jesus is Satan??
3SpaceCadet 6 months ago
@JackSparrowDepp They believe his prophet got the new book (mormons book) from an angel( where did i hear that?), they also say u can have many wives because the angel told them so(sounds familiar) and they have physical evidence his books isn't corrupted, so why are u mormon? hahaha. I will give u more physical evidence of ur corrupted quran, i will quote Physical evidence of muslims eraly sources
HianJ0 6 months ago
@HianJ0 Hollow words. I have already told you that someone who knows the basics of Islam can differentiate between truth and forgery! Somehow, you never comment on your man-made religion and corrupted book! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Satan has worked well in Muslim hadithes but he worked even better while writing the christian gosspels. I am sure you enjoy them. hahahah Have you aleady wiped your ass, pagan?
JackSparrowDepp 6 months ago
@HianJ0 You are owned by me like shit! I have proved that your religion (Christianity) is from satan. Learn your own religion, satanist.
JackSparrowDepp 6 months ago
Haha the young Muslim needs to do more research into the religion he's trying to debunk. Many red herring, taxi cab and straw man fallacies. This is a debate for men who know how to debate. I'm sorry but Dr. White won by a landslide.
ArginGerigorian 6 months ago
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The only defense Sami ended up with was god never changes form. Jesus is God and it doesn't contradict that. God was a spirit before and then was a spirit in a body. If I take a piece of wood and set it in a box is it still not a piece of wood?
3SpaceCadet 6 months ago
The only defense Sami ended up with was god never changes form. Jesus is God and it doesn't contradict that. God was a spirit before and then was a spirit in a body. If I take a piece of wood and set it in a box is it still not a piece of wood?
3SpaceCadet 6 months ago
Both are good debaters. May Allah reward Sami Zaatari. Great job brother. Also May Allah guide James White. Ameen.
pantherlake2002 6 months ago
Both are good debaters. May Allah reward Sami Zaatari. Great job brother.
pantherlake2002 6 months ago
@pantherlake2002 In the well-known collection of traditions by Ibn Sa`d, we read these words:
Ibn Abbas asked, `Which of the two readings of the Qur'an do you prefer?' [The prophet] answered, `The reading of Abdullah ibn Mas'ud.' Verily the Qur'an was recited be fore the apostle of Allah, once in every Rammadan, except the last year when it was recited twice. Then Abdullah ibn Mas'ud came to him, and he learned what was altered and abrogated. (Ibn Sa`d, vol. 2, pg.441)
HianJ0 6 months ago
James White is so inspiring,u made a great Job,hope u can read this somehow :D..God Bless You, and may keep guiding you, i think that the topic is kinda useless since they believe our hole bible is corrupted so i don't understand why they wanna try to prove something with a book corrupted, anyway the bible isn't just John, there are many other Books who leaves the divinity of Jesus clear of any doubt,yet i understand the debate was most centered on John so even so u did great.Glory to God.
HianJ0 6 months ago
god who made billions of stars in this universe to single atom cant be born from a womb of a human being like us ? And if son means begotton son , its an act of animals and humanbeings .... Well jesus was 2000 years ago and english is not more than 1000 years old language ..... Thank you .. May peace of allah be on you all
adilshah079 7 months ago