As a descendents from 1892 Scottish immigrants, our family in the United States have owned fire arms & used them responsibly on our farms, on our person & safely in our homes. No abuse of power here.
Gun control will create a huge blackmarket in illegal weapon sales, giving more money to the criminal underworld. Criminals would prefer a disarmed public, as it makes their job a lot easier
How do you defend yourself from an armed and dangerous criminal with the intent of killing you? Approx 20 million gun owning Americans have successfuly defended against a criminal attack since 2000. 91.7% of gun owners didn't wound or kill the criminal attacker. 15.7% believed they would have died had it not been for gun defence. That one person everyr 1.3 minutes saved from using a gun as defensive measure. yahoo Gunclock
Has it ever occurred to you how rediculously effortless it would be to take your armless country over? That would be suicidal.
I dont know which country you are referring to but if its the UK why dont you try? you might find you get a large dose of a Polaris or Trident missile, like yourselves we are not underarmed.
Problem is like yourselves the true enemy lies with the citizen within. Your own people are the ones who are killing each other using guns to do it. yawn!
Want to know why legal people should own guns? Just go to wikipedia(.com) and do a search on the Rwanda Genocide. If every Tutsi own guns then there wouldn't be around 800,000 Tutsi massacres -- since most were machete-hacked to death by the Hutu. Don't BAN gun -- just put restriction on mentally-ill people from getting them (and make sure the computer background check system is running).
I'm a 145 pound skinny gun and I need a gun to protect myself just in case someone break into my house. Because some bullies know I own a gun, they don't want to mess around with me. I agree we need tougher laws so mentally-ill people could not buy guns and make parents responsible if their kids get a hold of their guns.
With all due respect, banning guns is not the best solution; for many reasons. The first of which is there are so many firearms in circulation that, if we did ban the sale of gun, it would take generations of them to filter out. In the meantime, the law abiding public would be under seige by the armed criminals. It won't work here. Not logistically possible. If we can't round up 10M illegal aliens, we can't round up 500M guns.
Has it ever occurred to you how rediculously effortless it would be to take your armless country over? A holy war may be successful over on the other side of our water, but try taking over the US.....mate. That would be suicidal. Fear a government that fears your guns. Hitler and Stalin did.
why would anyone want the right to have a gun? banning guns doesnt infringe peoples rights it saves people. just like banning smoking saves people. what is americas fixation wth guns anyway??
why would stupid european people want the right to have a computer? banning computers doesn't infringe on people's rights it saves people. just like banning european idiots saves people. what are stupid european's fixation with americans anyway?
both of you stop. america does not have an obsession with guns, some people in america like to own firearms. that's like saying afghanistan is obsessed with terrorism, or that everyone in scotland wears a kilt every day and carries a giant sword. it's just ignorance.
Even in nature animals defend themselves, you have to, against all attakers. guns exist, we should all have the right to defend ourselves with a gun againt a gun. the police isn't always there you, thier actuall job is to assist you. what are you going to do when a madman intimidates you with kalashnikov or with a pistol ?
listen mate dont comment if you dont have anything normal to say and 2 im scottish and built like a tank so what you saying you dont know shit about me so dub it dafty
Well, the fact of the matter is, that there will never be a ban on weapons, its one of our rights as an american citizen. Really the only way it will stop is if someone is there to put a stop to it, and well the only way to fight a weapon that springs projectiles is with yet another weapon that springs projectiles. As long as there is a bully there will always be shit like this happening in our schools. Its the sad reality of what things are turning into these days.
you know. Without the guns the people that do the shooting wouldnt gain their Justice or Respect back. People need to be taught to not disclude others and make them feel shitty. people need to learn how to be nice that just how it is.
Look, canada has sane gun control laws and we don't have rampant shootings and robberies. The correlation is crystal clear. More guns in the system makes it easier to acquire them. Violent shooters aren't somehow outside the system and this notion of the magic criminal who procure weapons with ease is a myth. It's as easy for a criminal to get a gun as it is for a non-criminal, seeing as they are both citizens to begin with.
Canada also is a socialist country that gives people the idea they are entitled to things.
Criminals do procure guns easily and it's not a myth. I've actually seen it happen at parties and just any kind of gathering of the more nefarious types. The only sane gun control is not missing your target.
Glibly dismissing policies as socialist doesn't devalidate the results. We got low crime and few violent gun incidents. The abundance of guns you observe on your end is further confirmation of how easy it is to get a gun when you've got so many of them floating around everywhere.
what you're saying makes no sense. one way of reducing the shootings of innocent people is to reduce availability of guns. its a known fact and it works
are you crazy half the people in the world i wouldnt give them the remote for the tv and you would give everyone a gun there is a name for that its called war more weapons does not make things safer what has to happen to prove this to you.
Besides statistics that show that New York, LA, Boston, Chicago, DC (big time) have NAZI level restrictions and yet for some reason they have HIGH crime rates. Makes you think, huh? Maybe it's because when you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them.
its so easy to say "ban guns". drugs are illegal, but people are somehow getting their hands on them. you cant completely "ban" anything. its human nature, if we want something bad enough, we'll find a way to get it. btw this isnt directed at the vid uploader, just saying my piece.
He said that he knew that the ban wouldn't work 100% but it would still make sence. banning guns is the first step to a better tomorrow. To think that a person could buy a gun and be killing people within the same hour is just sick. something has to be done.
Yes, you are right, that's what I meant to say, he's Scottish, too bad you can't edit comments here on youtube... on the other hand, saves a lot of crap discussions too about what who said and stuff. :) He's right though and that's what mattered to me. xD
Advocates of banning guns, imagine if we really could _completely_ ban things.
What might happen at VT? Some ahole might run a campus concert over with a Suburban; eventually we ban SUVs.
Next copycat makes chlorine gas and kills his sleeping dorm mates. We ban chlorine, chemistry or whatever.
Where do you stop banning? Why not rethink the problem and reconsider defense vs disarmament? Guns, emergency cell phone message systems, surveillance are forms of defense.
It's only half of the problem you're willing to change. A car can kill to, but wasn't designed for it, guns are designed to kill, they have no other purpose. So, why not ban guns??
if you ban gun sales and no one has one.. what if someone goes crazy and starts shooting.. no one can stop him.. they can just duck.. i know a guy who was at a restraunt and saw a guy start shooting and ever since then he always carries a small pistol at his ankle.. i personally carry a small 4" hunting knife with me wherever i go... we need bullet control more than gun control. if a bullet costs 5,000 dollars (2500 pounds) there won't be any innocent bystanders..
Someone without gun would be forced to strangle me, in which case I have a better chance of fighting him off than if he just needs to pull a trigger. humans are predators, thus by nature violent. You need not worry about defending yourself from me because I don't carry a gun. What happens when someone gets drunk and it leads to a fight? if you have a gun you are more likely to do serious damage than if not. I'm not saying this would happen but the propensity for it to is much higher
guns are only leathly if shot in head or body, if you shoot in arm or leg, they are going down, then you can call the cops and he will be thrown in jail
really? did you know your leg has massive arteries in it? if hit you will die very fast. you can bleed to death from a broken leg if it severs one. you are just being ignorant now. Guns don't kill People People kill people and guns make it easier. You also must be an amazing shot because a moving person is not the easiest to hit in extremities... the torso is a big area with many fatal spots you can hit and if not fatal can seriously damage someone for life. get an education coolchris.
a girl on forensic files got bit in the thigh by a dog and bled to death.. there is a major artery in your leg and you can die from a gun shot anywhere if you don't recieve proper medical attention.
Too right son. It seems America is too proud. We should ask ourselves, would 32 people have died if he had nothing but a knife or BBgun? Answer no. The problem AMerica faces though, if they decided to ban guns, criminals ore obviously not gonna hand them in, so criminals would have guns and Joe average would not, therefore placing power in the criminals side.
I disagree. I understand you say this out of compassion and a wish to end the violence but you are taking about banning the symptom instead of dealing with the actual problem. My video on this same thing goes into more detail but what you propose is completely impossible. I think your vid is VERY appropriate by the way. I appreciate and share your concern.
First off, your stupid. second, Hand guns have only one use... to kill PEOPLE. There are no other practical reasons to own one other than to shoot someone. Our country is ass backwards and the rest of the world laughs at us because of it. I assume you are from the south?
I disagree. The majority of handguns in America have never an will never be used in a crime. The argument that they are ONLY for killing is completely wrong. There are so many competitions for target shooting it's pathetic. Actual gun crimes are a tiny fraction of the handguns which exist here. If your going to debate. Remove the emotional exaggerations. If your point has merit, it should stand on it's own. Without inflammatory, misleading remarks.
the constitution was made to be interpreted, because times change, 200 years ago guns were more important. today we use words not guns to solve problems... at least we are supposed to have evolved to that point. i think the 2nd ammendment is a little ridiculous at times. we don't need assault rifles or hand guns for any practical reason.
nope from the north east, no guns mean more killings with other weapons, that mean a killer could simply strangle someone with out fear of getting shot.
More importantly there is no way to block handguns. It's completely impossible. Also if you watched the LA riots you would have seen that the cops turned an ran an left us citizens to fend for ourselves. Same in New Orleans an NY during the blackouts.
Also, to the Canadian, it is highly disrespectful to insult a country you think you understand. You don't know our laws any more than we kmow yours so please refrain from your adolescant ranting. This also goes to the fellow Americans that continually show their blantant disregard for the English language and choose to show their stupidity through vulgar epitaphs and insults.
What we need are more laws in what a teacher can do when faced with a seemly disturbed student. I would also beg you to ignore some of the idiots giving stupid advice. Not everyone over here believes that.
The problem is there are too many underground gun dealers for the authorities to handle. Most people outside our country don't see that. They just assume we are ignorant, stupid Americans who only want to kill and destroy. I will give we have our fair share of idiots but so does every other country.
I do to a point agree on getting more strict gun control. Escpecially on hand guns. Rifles and shotguns are used for hunting. It'd be hard to get that one under control. There are steps for getting a gun and unless he found someone to actually sell one to him in a half an hour we actually have laws stating that if you want a gun there is a three day waiting period and a background check involved.
I totally agree with you man. But theres no way to convince these American fuckers of this fact. Trust me, being from Canada i know first hand how dumb Americans can be... I mean, they did re-elect George Bush Jr. didn't they?... The funny fuckers expect to get change in American dollars at our Canadian supermarkets!!! Ah well, I cant see America lasting much longer as a superpower anyways... Luckily.
Hey you limey FUCK - your own nation has the most crime in europe last time i checked! -your own country had a huge and consistent increase in crime after you outlawed handguns -so did Australia - your mindless psychobable is the argument of the sophist - I hope the chains of slavery rest lightly on your shoulders - and remember to forget that we ever called one another brothers you coward!!! And enjoy your self made 1984!
on the url above just add it after the main web page and see what giving up their guns has led to on the british isles - its like an orwellian nightmare come true - and the PEOPLE ARE NOT EVEN FUCKING PROTESTING IT - YOU ARE ALL OF A BUNCH OF FUCKING SLAVES - FUCKING CATTLE!!!!!!!
If your intelligence was at any level to argue with any reason, then you would realise how totally misinformed you really are. Things aren't perfect here, but they are not Orwellian either. However compared to some of your areas over there, here is a paradise.
Not Orwellian?-4.5million cameras for 11million people in London & similar statistics is other major counties-The infrastructure to create that Orwellian society is in place, and you have no idea how close you are-Mass murders agree (Stalin, Hitler, Mao), gun control works. Trusting the police and government with your saftey is a horrendously dangerous proposition. Enjoy your slavery. Moooooooo!
CHICAGO — A surveillance system that uses 2,000 remote-control cameras and motion-sensing software to spot crimes or terrorist acts as they happen is being planned for the city. Mayor Richard Daley said the cameras would be tied to a network armed with software to alert authorities to suspicious behavior.
By M. Spencer Green, AP
Don't worry it is coming your way too so don't crow too loud.
do a video search for "Hail 2 The Robotic overlord" and have a look at what Samsung is developing for all you bad boys and girls out there. I am not sure that it is real...But you never know. :(
Makes our talking cameras look like dinky toys. I could imagine one of these camouflaged. MooooOOO!
Beware! don't drop your litter with this dude around.
wawa779. nothing is inappropriate. According to our 1st ammendment right, I have the right to argue any point just as you do. It's people like you who don't want to offend anyone who make it impossible to get anything done in this country. maybe we should talking all together so no one's feelings get hurt
see you are quick to stand up for one amendment but not the others eh? hehehe. There is no room for insults in a true debate. Insults are for people who can't actually back up their argument with facts. It's a way to divert attention from the holes in their argument by using manipulative tactics to inflame instead of prove. If your right. Then simply prove it.
target shootin? for what? get a bow and some arrows. I agree most handguns don't kill people but you also have to admit that most firearm related homocides are with handguns. you can practice hitting targets with a bb gun if you want, but why do you need a handgun? Why is it that we have more firearm related homocides than any other developed country? is it because we shoot at targets all day?
It is a guarantee of the US constitution to own guns. Neither of these young men were old enough to go in a purchase any guns legally to start with. No one who wants to do wrong is going to start by obeying the law.....get real...not going to happen. However in all these cases if just one teacher or student proficient with a handgun had been allowed "by law" to even have a gun in their car, the killers could have been stopped cold.
States with concealed carry laws have lower gun crime rates period. If a mugger thinks that granny smith has a 38 special in her purse he thinks twice. Gun laws only tie the hands of the citizens. Criminals will always have guns even if they make them with pipes and home made gun powder. Laws only work if you follow them. Evil people will never follow gun laws. The right to bear arms empowers the citizens. Criminals prefer unarmed subjects.
Wow... this dichotomy between criminals and non criminals is erudite and ethnically proficient. Ever considered law, or philosophy? Maybe something in marketing or advertising. People have in the past thought twice about getting into someone's possessions because of the consideration that said potential victim may have a firearm, but using gun crime to justify gun ownership is perhaps a somewhat flimsy position. Once you've armed everyone, shall we fear or love one another?
I agree completely guns suck we should melt them all and make fuel effitient cars with them and bikes and treadmills so fucking amerikans don't get fat. assholes i hate fat people
Gud video, lassie. It's the look of the Eyrish. Ok, jk. I think your accent is awesome. I wish I talked like that...but I'm stuck with a dumb english accent...as in, American...so I don't really have an accent...is an american accent a real accent? Anyway, I watched this video cuz it was the shortest I saw.
But zagnerf, you have to look outside your own country. Try Japan, for instance. While there are looneys all over the world, guns make it as easy to kill someone as in a video game - a completely impersonal act, and it's easy to take many out at one time.
Why bother to look outside my own country? I live here. Besides, I would much rather live free with my privacy intact than live in Japan where the police do not need a reason to search your home.
Looking beyond shows what immediately surrounds you for a more accurate picture of what it really is. If you honestly prefer ignorance, then return to the LCL.
according to FBI crime statistics(2005) less than 16,000 people a year are murdered by firearms. less than 16,000 in a total population of 250+ million people. according to the FBI private gun owners stop or deter a crime an estimated 500,000 times a year. do the math. it's crazy to punish millions of responsible gun owners for the acts of a relatively miniscule amount of offenders.
15,000 people would be two thirds of our town after 10 years at that rate you would wipe out the population of Cumbria. Still it all depends on perspective.
sliep, look at the 500,000 crimes that are stopped or detered by private gun owners. using your rationale, your town would already have been wiped out many times over if not for them. alot of those are stopped or detered murders. the u.s population is really closer to 300 million. what you call perspective, i call plain old common sense. you don't punish the majority for the acts of a miniscule minority. comprehend?
I have only one answer for this, if you believe that this is the case then get your homicide rate down to the levels I have given below, then you have a case for guns, who knows you may win a convert.
If the UK had 7 times the populations the total deaths in this country may reach 350 gun deaths and 1400 with knives as the figures stand.
But one thing please stop defending the rights of mentally ill people to obtain firearms.
Also Warren I have heard this both from your supporters and through a wider grapevine that the UN are planning a ban on all hand held fire arms including high velocity rifles. I am not sure of the accuracy but If they do, I can see things getting very hot. Incidentally this is not a move I would particularly agree with.
sliep, i'm not trying to convert u. if u like the laws where u live, it's no skin off of my ass. just don't tell me what i should. i'm an american. you're not. name the only country in the world whose citizens can buy handguns. the usa is the only one. why does that trouble u so much. i'd be troubled if my country wouldn't let me own guns.
sliep, i don't have supporters. i'm a free individual who lives in a free country. my country is the only country who believes its citizens have the god-given right of self-defense using firearms. comprehend? why don't all the citizens of all the other countries not claim that god-given right also? i really don't understand that. are u all sheep, relying on big brother to protect you?
Perhaps we don't want that as a God given right. As a necessity against a foreign invader or for National defence yes and I have played my part in that.
I would neither want nor expect anyone to protect me save for the teams I served with. I certainly would not expect civillians to assist, I might be rather worried if they did. We were trained for months to handle the ever so humble rifle and pistol and others.
sliep, that's your perogative, just don't infringe on mine. i sure wouldn't have minded another armed citizen aiding me during the 2 times i had to use my firearm. i would have welcomed the help. of course, i'm just an american, we tend not to be as brave as you europeans.
I should have exchanged the word team for regiment, we knew each others strengths and weaknesses, I would not have nor expected any help from any "civilian" in that environment.
Bravery, I never thought of that, by the way I am not European I am British, if it is one thing that is worse than being sworn at it's being called an European :(.
sliep, i'm an army vet and an ex-cop. i'll give u some good advice. u can take it or leave it for all i care. if u are in a bad situation and someone offers to help u, ACCEPT THE HELP. it was ordinary citizens who helped me out of a couple of bad situations when i was a cop.
AAh! at last, speaks volumes, trained and fully qualified to use assorted weapons, I knew there was something deeper going on in the psyche with you it was just getting to it.
I do not have a problem at all with anyone who has been either forces or police trained carrying arms and never have had.
Young people, who are emotional though are a different matter altogether.
sliep, in the u.s., there are multitudes of people just as qualified to operate and own a firearm as me. the majority are not former police or vets. my sister shoots better than me and she learned on her own.
sliep, my sister was a natural. we have a shitload of hunters here. kids usually start with .22 rifles and the progression to shotguns and high-powered rifles comes automatically. we're not just "cowboys", it truly is an integral part of our lifestyle.
Yes I can understand that, it is with much of the farming community around here. I believe many of our farms still carry the old 12 bore shotgun, it still has a kick.
sliep, i agree totally with your message, but it's not my choice who can buy/own a gun or not. that's up to state legislatures who are elected by the people. muslims are not my favorite people, either. i pray for u guys in britain. if i lived there, i would definetly want a personal firearm for defense. muslims are screwed-up here, too.
Yes you are right, these things I suppose are decided by those who we entrust to govern us, if they make mistakes, which I think is happening more often, it is we who end up paying both ways. Maybe we should be more careful who we choose to govern us. But again, do any of us get who we really want? I wonder.
sliep, don't get emotional. that's your problem. i've never defended cho. you're like that y2k guy. if the psyche counselors had reported him, 32 people would still be alive. u want to blame someone, blame them for not doing there jobs. you can't compare crime rates in little old britain with the usa. that's complete ignorance.
I am only exchanging figures for figures and as I have already said the police confirmed categorically that the form that was submitted was legal. Let's face it they really missed this one.
In defence of yourself it is the authorites that are responsible for this and not just the psychiatric hospital. He however simply should not have have had a firearm.
Emotion, by the way is not one of my best known qualities.
sliep, the police, the gun seller, and the insta-check
worked perfectly. the psyche counselors are the ones who dropped the ball. if a bank employee steals from a bank, it's not the bank's fault. the employee has committed a breach of trust. don't try to blame the authorities. the crime is on cho and the psyche counselors' heads.
Virginia State Police said Cho Seung Hui could buy firearms legally even though he had once been ordered taken to a psychiatric hospital when he was reported to be suicidal.
sliepnir, the psyche counselors judged him mentally defective, but never committed him involuntarily. comprehend? if they had, paperwork would have been filed at the state capitol, and the insta-check would have red-flagged him. comprehend? in my state, you can't buy a firearm if you've been under any psychiatric care.
sliep, u have to READ my posts. i don't live in virginia. i live in another state. in my state, u can't buy a firearm if u have been under any mental health care. MY STATE. the u.s. is comprised of 50 states. comprehend? did u read my other posts? in virginia, cho would have had to be involuntarily committed by the counselors. that committal paperwork would be sent to the state capitol. insta-check would have red-flagged him because of the paperwork filing.
I know you don't live in Virginia, however, I am not so proficient on all the laws of every state. Hell, I can barely cover all the new laws in the UK, let alone all the bull that comes from the damned European Parliament.
Law was not my favourite subject, by the time you finish talking to a lawyer you end up more confused than you would have been before you finished.
sliep, i'm glad u took that post in the spirit that i meant it. several cities and states ban handguns entirely here. it is a complex issue. unless u live here, u really cannot totally understand. in my opnion i don't believe britain should be part of the e.u. u guys should be independent.
sliep, see, this is why you don't see me posting anything about british laws. i don't live in britain, thus i don't know the law there. see where i'm going?
u know little to nothing of u.s. law and firearm purchases. u shouldn't discuss a topic u know so little about.
No I disagree the right of discussion comes into free speech and therefore I am entitled to an opinion as you would have been say about the European Parliament or the Iraq war which incidentally affects both our countries.
Yes but im sure most of these guns are being used in wars overseas. And they where probebly created in your country. The US is one of the top arms producers and they even supplyed Bin Ladin with all his weapons.. Ever watch the Movie Lord Of War, I wouldnt be surprised if the US where responsible for these Illigal firarms.
Actually and interesting statistic is that twice as many a year are killed every year by medical treatment than by auto accidents here in the U.S. Doctors, in fact, are, according the the prestigious AMA, the third leading cause of death in America-- I shit you not, google it-- coming in right behind heart disease and cancer.
Guns touch an emotional button. Here in the U.S. you are tens times as likely to die from seeking medical treatment as you are from a gun wound. Probably in fact the factor is still much greater when you consider that gun deaths aren't usually random, but dying from an unrelated illness while seeking medical treatment is.
Americans, nevertheless, will still gleefully seek medical treatment for a host of minor medical problems this year without a second thought, while becoming hysterical over every act of gun violence. Gun control advocates are driven through their irrational fear to seek the illusion of safety even while that actual gun control measures make us, in reality, less safe.
The only people who aren't acting logically here are Gun Control advocates: industrial societies with the most strict gun control laws are among the most violent (the U.S. is not even in the top 10), school shootings where the perpetrator has run into armed resistance, from his intended victims, less people have died (google the Appalachian Law School and Pearl high school shootings). Gun control kills! And those who nevertheless press for it do so on purely irrational/emotional grounds.
You are absolutely right, South Africa I believe rates as the most violent country in the world the murders there are decreasing, with almost a third less murders now than in 1994, but attempted murders remain constant, fueled in part by massive firearm use and the doubling of firearm theft since 1994.
They do not have gun control over there and see the result, no gun control higher deaths simple really
The shooters at Colombine at made improvised bombs from sections of pipe, and were going to use them to blow up the school. Does this mean that we ought to outlaw lead pipes, too.
I am NOT a supporter of the NRA, but it seems to me that what these shooters REALLY need is a one-way trip to the insane asylum where they can get the REAL help that they need.
I agree 1000%, preferably before it gets to the stage where they just start to shoot.
There are many signs that someone suffers from mental health problems, these need to be identified early and acted upon.
However they should never be allowed to access firearms as easily. Whilst it is relatively easy to build a "pipe bomb", it is not a tactic that people like this tend to use.
I agree scotsbright - although unfortunately i t hink people can get hold of them even if they are banned. BUT, giving people more guns isnt the answer (like some have been saying the VTech students should have had guns... madness!).
When Virginia State Police reviewed Cho's March 12 application to buy a 9mm pistol at a Roanoke gun shop, "we determined he was eligible, and we approved him," said Donna Tate, program manager for the state police Firearms Transaction Center.
erikderat, being fearful of criminals has nothing to do with it. By banning guns, you would encourage them to obtain firearms illegally which empowers their cowardly actions. I don't condone encouraging criminals or empowering them. If guns aren't prevalent in your country then let's discuss the next common weapon criminals use wherever you are. Type of weapon is irrelevant, it comes down to using equal defense against attacking force.
Exactly. The exact phrase coined for that situation is called escalation. That logic doesn't cut the treewire. If you allow everyone to have guns, then surely that would subdue would be psychophants from rampaging. WRONG! Look at the news.
y2k, I never said anything about "everyone" having guns. I said that restricting guns from law abiding citizens doesn't keep guns out of criminals' hands. A gun carrying criminal would think twice about attacking someone he thinks is armed. Most of the time I bet he would leave them alone. Rampaging would be reduced in my opinion.
I am going to try this again. Gun Controller view of America: Law = Criminals NOT with guns AND Law Abiding Citizens with guns. Reality: Law = Criminals NOT (NOT caring what law says) with guns AND Law Abiding Citizens with guns. Meaning: Law = Criminals NOT NOT with guns AND Law Abiding Citizens with guns.Now lets change the equation to ban guns. Law = Criminals NOT NOT with guns AND Law Abiding Citizens NOT with guns.
Yes, their is a need for lawful citizens to own guns because you look at the gun as immoral instead of a person. Does a gun hate? Of coarse not. Then the immorality of the situation is somewhere else. If you say it is with the shooter, you must conclude that there are two groups of people who handle firearms. And if you conclude that then you must conclude that there are moral and immoral people who handle firearms.
And if you believe there are moral and immoral people who handle firearms, why be concerned with the moral people who handle firearms since they value human life. As a Christian, my solution to any shooting that leaves people dead or even injured is for everyone to love the Lord, your God, and love thy neighbor as thy self.
There are moral people, there are immoral people and there are those who simply lose control. A comparison
cannot be made for those. Only common sense and a great deal of care to make sure that no harm comes to others through the people that do "lose control".
Losing control is immoral because he had hate. I don't know who you think immoral people are if you think that hate in one's heart is not immoral. Plus, you must admit that it wasn't the gun that lost control, it was Cho Seung Hui. Therefore the culpret was Cho Seung Hui, not the firearm(s) he used so how can you point to the gun as the problem when the gun didn't lose control?
Give me a hundred people, trapped, with access to chairs and the like, and let's see how far you get. Yeah, you'll kill a couple, then you'll end up bludgeoned with a desk before getting your arteries severed with your own weapon... Before someone tears out your corotid and realigns it with your jugular.
y2k, if that's true, why did the majority of those jews in ww2 concentration camps not fight back? u talk big, but you'd probably be shitting your pants in the same situation. i know how i'd act because i've done it before.
You're a dick mate. 100 vs 1. I think you overestimate mr Kung-fu-Katana blades. But then again, you had no idea we were discussing psycho's with swords, did ya? Just sorta, jumped right in there. Mate talk as tough as you like, you sound like a 12 year old in his mom's basement. Whatever NEO.
y2k, hey einstein, u read my last post? deaths by guns is a drop in the bucket compared to the deaths caused by people commiting vehicular offenses in the u.s. do u finally see how backward ur logic is? ur a real dumbfuck.
Fuck a duck, and here I was being a dumb fuck by thinking we're talkin about murder. We're just discussing all the possible causes of death. Okay two topics down. Several billion left to go. What's your brain made of? Smegma?
y2k, THE FBI STATS ARE FOR MURDER BY FIREARMS(2005). 2006 hasn't been compiled yet. i decided to repeat that because i know you have a hard time with reading and comprehension.
y2k, it don't get any sweeter than taking a dumbass australian or european to school. worry about your own country, fuckwad. you don't have the brains to help mine.
To school. Wow big word. Did you actually go? Seriously? How many murders anually are executed where a car is the primary weapon? Got any stats? I'm guessing it would be less than 20. Versus your 30,000 gun deaths. If you want to argue accidental deaths, lets talk heart disease. Now, still think you're head's not in pole-hole here?
y2k, u r retarded, right? duis that injure or take a life are not "accidental", they are premeditated, thus the title "felony dui". is everybody in australia as stupid as you? it must be caused from screwing all those sheep.
y2k, you can't correct any of my mistakes because u lie. i even baited you on u.s. traffic deaths. anybody with any sense knows they aren't in the millions. there are around 50,000 a year. u didn't even research that and i gave you the links. u r a fool.
de que habla este tipo?
capullobocazas 1 year ago
If Guns were legal in Scotland it wouldn't be good.
Lets say 1% of folk in Scotland are nuts, that would be between 50,000 - 100, 000 nutters with guns.
If guns were legal where I live, I would not be happy at all.
Oblivionisathand101 3 years ago
As a descendents from 1892 Scottish immigrants, our family in the United States have owned fire arms & used them responsibly on our farms, on our person & safely in our homes. No abuse of power here.
Gun control is for fascists.
GOTTshua 3 years ago
Gun control will create a huge blackmarket in illegal weapon sales, giving more money to the criminal underworld. Criminals would prefer a disarmed public, as it makes their job a lot easier
kingobnoxious 4 years ago
How do you defend yourself from an armed and dangerous criminal with the intent of killing you? Approx 20 million gun owning Americans have successfuly defended against a criminal attack since 2000. 91.7% of gun owners didn't wound or kill the criminal attacker. 15.7% believed they would have died had it not been for gun defence. That one person everyr 1.3 minutes saved from using a gun as defensive measure. yahoo Gunclock
kingobnoxious 4 years ago
Has it ever occurred to you how rediculously effortless it would be to take your armless country over? That would be suicidal.
I dont know which country you are referring to but if its the UK why dont you try? you might find you get a large dose of a Polaris or Trident missile, like yourselves we are not underarmed.
Problem is like yourselves the true enemy lies with the citizen within. Your own people are the ones who are killing each other using guns to do it. yawn!
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
Want to know why legal people should own guns? Just go to wikipedia(.com) and do a search on the Rwanda Genocide. If every Tutsi own guns then there wouldn't be around 800,000 Tutsi massacres -- since most were machete-hacked to death by the Hutu. Don't BAN gun -- just put restriction on mentally-ill people from getting them (and make sure the computer background check system is running).
theboxer5 4 years ago
I'm a 145 pound skinny gun and I need a gun to protect myself just in case someone break into my house. Because some bullies know I own a gun, they don't want to mess around with me. I agree we need tougher laws so mentally-ill people could not buy guns and make parents responsible if their kids get a hold of their guns.
theboxer5 4 years ago
With all due respect, banning guns is not the best solution; for many reasons. The first of which is there are so many firearms in circulation that, if we did ban the sale of gun, it would take generations of them to filter out. In the meantime, the law abiding public would be under seige by the armed criminals. It won't work here. Not logistically possible. If we can't round up 10M illegal aliens, we can't round up 500M guns.
yesitsfast 4 years ago
Has it ever occurred to you how rediculously effortless it would be to take your armless country over? A holy war may be successful over on the other side of our water, but try taking over the US.....mate. That would be suicidal. Fear a government that fears your guns. Hitler and Stalin did.
Thunderhawk413 4 years ago
why would anyone want the right to have a gun? banning guns doesnt infringe peoples rights it saves people. just like banning smoking saves people. what is americas fixation wth guns anyway??
RogueGneral 4 years ago
why would stupid european people want the right to have a computer? banning computers doesn't infringe on people's rights it saves people. just like banning european idiots saves people. what are stupid european's fixation with americans anyway?
Obinjess 4 years ago
both of you stop. america does not have an obsession with guns, some people in america like to own firearms. that's like saying afghanistan is obsessed with terrorism, or that everyone in scotland wears a kilt every day and carries a giant sword. it's just ignorance.
DetVredesbyrd 4 years ago
Even in nature animals defend themselves, you have to, against all attakers. guns exist, we should all have the right to defend ourselves with a gun againt a gun. the police isn't always there you, thier actuall job is to assist you. what are you going to do when a madman intimidates you with kalashnikov or with a pistol ?
badInvention 4 years ago
fuck u wtf is he saying fat irish bastard
kimmehko 4 years ago
listen mate dont comment if you dont have anything normal to say and 2 im scottish and built like a tank so what you saying you dont know shit about me so dub it dafty
scotsbright 4 years ago
fuck u go play your game "runescape" you geek
RogueGneral 4 years ago
first of all hes scottish not irish dumbass
second of all read the fucking title
moron
bobjo56 4 years ago
good point
crazyisaba 4 years ago
Well, the fact of the matter is, that there will never be a ban on weapons, its one of our rights as an american citizen. Really the only way it will stop is if someone is there to put a stop to it, and well the only way to fight a weapon that springs projectiles is with yet another weapon that springs projectiles. As long as there is a bully there will always be shit like this happening in our schools. Its the sad reality of what things are turning into these days.
sakabatto 4 years ago
I think its this new generation of EMO music. Goddamn "Fall Out Boy" and their lyrics that nobody can understand.
sakabatto 4 years ago
you know. Without the guns the people that do the shooting wouldnt gain their Justice or Respect back. People need to be taught to not disclude others and make them feel shitty. people need to learn how to be nice that just how it is.
SapphirianEmpire 4 years ago
Look, canada has sane gun control laws and we don't have rampant shootings and robberies. The correlation is crystal clear. More guns in the system makes it easier to acquire them. Violent shooters aren't somehow outside the system and this notion of the magic criminal who procure weapons with ease is a myth. It's as easy for a criminal to get a gun as it is for a non-criminal, seeing as they are both citizens to begin with.
BionicGroin 4 years ago
Canada also is a socialist country that gives people the idea they are entitled to things.
Criminals do procure guns easily and it's not a myth. I've actually seen it happen at parties and just any kind of gathering of the more nefarious types. The only sane gun control is not missing your target.
Mac428 4 years ago
Glibly dismissing policies as socialist doesn't devalidate the results. We got low crime and few violent gun incidents. The abundance of guns you observe on your end is further confirmation of how easy it is to get a gun when you've got so many of them floating around everywhere.
BionicGroin 4 years ago
i know its not possible to completeley ban guns but if you think about, what if we just STOP making guns?
skaterboy1828 4 years ago
People can make guns at home....moron.
What if we took away your computer, because you apparently don't know how to write or think properly.
Mac428 4 years ago
what you're saying makes no sense. one way of reducing the shootings of innocent people is to reduce availability of guns. its a known fact and it works
RogueGneral 4 years ago
I think having a gun should be mandatory.
If everyone had a gun, it would be kind of rough for about 6 months, but after that, we'd have a very, very polite society of good people.
Because I think there are more good people than bad people in the world, just that the bad people are more "expressive".
Besides, do we really need _more_ people on this planet?
ionseal 4 years ago
are you crazy half the people in the world i wouldnt give them the remote for the tv and you would give everyone a gun there is a name for that its called war more weapons does not make things safer what has to happen to prove this to you.
scotsbright 4 years ago
Besides statistics that show that New York, LA, Boston, Chicago, DC (big time) have NAZI level restrictions and yet for some reason they have HIGH crime rates. Makes you think, huh? Maybe it's because when you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them.
Mac428 4 years ago
Rough 6 months? Try rough 6 decades. If your view was correct we wouldn't have civil wars or gang shootings.
BionicGroin 4 years ago
its so easy to say "ban guns". drugs are illegal, but people are somehow getting their hands on them. you cant completely "ban" anything. its human nature, if we want something bad enough, we'll find a way to get it. btw this isnt directed at the vid uploader, just saying my piece.
ShikikanZer0 4 years ago
Yeah but it's awfully easy in this country , as compared to others
honkeylips27 4 years ago
He said that he knew that the ban wouldn't work 100% but it would still make sence. banning guns is the first step to a better tomorrow. To think that a person could buy a gun and be killing people within the same hour is just sick. something has to be done.
chrono123430 4 years ago
This Irish guy is right, the solution is simple and we all know it. Just ban the guns already.
cadabraa 4 years ago
Er, I don't think he's Irish.
(sorry if you are. You make a good point)
Chilean 4 years ago
I believe he's Scottish.
WinterMutant2000 4 years ago
Yes, you are right, that's what I meant to say, he's Scottish, too bad you can't edit comments here on youtube... on the other hand, saves a lot of crap discussions too about what who said and stuff. :) He's right though and that's what mattered to me. xD
cadabraa 4 years ago
yes im scottish
scotsbright 4 years ago
Advocates of banning guns, imagine if we really could _completely_ ban things.
What might happen at VT? Some ahole might run a campus concert over with a Suburban; eventually we ban SUVs.
Next copycat makes chlorine gas and kills his sleeping dorm mates. We ban chlorine, chemistry or whatever.
Where do you stop banning? Why not rethink the problem and reconsider defense vs disarmament? Guns, emergency cell phone message systems, surveillance are forms of defense.
Banning? Bah!
kurtu5 4 years ago
It's only half of the problem you're willing to change. A car can kill to, but wasn't designed for it, guns are designed to kill, they have no other purpose. So, why not ban guns??
cadabraa 4 years ago
hand guns are banned here (australia)but every day i see the used in robbery murder and so on whats you point????
mjlmick 4 years ago
if you ban gun sales and no one has one.. what if someone goes crazy and starts shooting.. no one can stop him.. they can just duck.. i know a guy who was at a restraunt and saw a guy start shooting and ever since then he always carries a small pistol at his ankle.. i personally carry a small 4" hunting knife with me wherever i go... we need bullet control more than gun control. if a bullet costs 5,000 dollars (2500 pounds) there won't be any innocent bystanders..
johnnshepherd 4 years ago
its not the gun or the bullet that kills people. its the sick fuck who pulls the trigger
coolchris7154 4 years ago
Someone without gun would be forced to strangle me, in which case I have a better chance of fighting him off than if he just needs to pull a trigger. humans are predators, thus by nature violent. You need not worry about defending yourself from me because I don't carry a gun. What happens when someone gets drunk and it leads to a fight? if you have a gun you are more likely to do serious damage than if not. I'm not saying this would happen but the propensity for it to is much higher
nsh904 4 years ago
guns are only leathly if shot in head or body, if you shoot in arm or leg, they are going down, then you can call the cops and he will be thrown in jail
coolchris7154 4 years ago
really? did you know your leg has massive arteries in it? if hit you will die very fast. you can bleed to death from a broken leg if it severs one. you are just being ignorant now. Guns don't kill People People kill people and guns make it easier. You also must be an amazing shot because a moving person is not the easiest to hit in extremities... the torso is a big area with many fatal spots you can hit and if not fatal can seriously damage someone for life. get an education coolchris.
nsh904 4 years ago
a girl on forensic files got bit in the thigh by a dog and bled to death.. there is a major artery in your leg and you can die from a gun shot anywhere if you don't recieve proper medical attention.
johnnshepherd 4 years ago
no shit, and nsh, your just a hippie pussy bitch
coolchris7154 4 years ago
Too right son. It seems America is too proud. We should ask ourselves, would 32 people have died if he had nothing but a knife or BBgun? Answer no. The problem AMerica faces though, if they decided to ban guns, criminals ore obviously not gonna hand them in, so criminals would have guns and Joe average would not, therefore placing power in the criminals side.
Ashurst 4 years ago
I disagree. I understand you say this out of compassion and a wish to end the violence but you are taking about banning the symptom instead of dealing with the actual problem. My video on this same thing goes into more detail but what you propose is completely impossible. I think your vid is VERY appropriate by the way. I appreciate and share your concern.
thechurchofdave 4 years ago
blocking hand guns wont do anything, every object you can think of can be used as a weapon
coolchris7154 4 years ago
First off, your stupid. second, Hand guns have only one use... to kill PEOPLE. There are no other practical reasons to own one other than to shoot someone. Our country is ass backwards and the rest of the world laughs at us because of it. I assume you are from the south?
nsh904 4 years ago
I disagree. The majority of handguns in America have never an will never be used in a crime. The argument that they are ONLY for killing is completely wrong. There are so many competitions for target shooting it's pathetic. Actual gun crimes are a tiny fraction of the handguns which exist here. If your going to debate. Remove the emotional exaggerations. If your point has merit, it should stand on it's own. Without inflammatory, misleading remarks.
thechurchofdave 4 years ago
the constitution was made to be interpreted, because times change, 200 years ago guns were more important. today we use words not guns to solve problems... at least we are supposed to have evolved to that point. i think the 2nd ammendment is a little ridiculous at times. we don't need assault rifles or hand guns for any practical reason.
nsh904 4 years ago
i will always own a gun to defend myself from hippie asswipes like you.
coolchris7154 4 years ago
nope from the north east, no guns mean more killings with other weapons, that mean a killer could simply strangle someone with out fear of getting shot.
coolchris7154 4 years ago
More importantly there is no way to block handguns. It's completely impossible. Also if you watched the LA riots you would have seen that the cops turned an ran an left us citizens to fend for ourselves. Same in New Orleans an NY during the blackouts.
thechurchofdave 4 years ago
Also, to the Canadian, it is highly disrespectful to insult a country you think you understand. You don't know our laws any more than we kmow yours so please refrain from your adolescant ranting. This also goes to the fellow Americans that continually show their blantant disregard for the English language and choose to show their stupidity through vulgar epitaphs and insults.
zahneel 4 years ago
well said
coolchris7154 4 years ago
What we need are more laws in what a teacher can do when faced with a seemly disturbed student. I would also beg you to ignore some of the idiots giving stupid advice. Not everyone over here believes that.
zahneel 4 years ago
The problem is there are too many underground gun dealers for the authorities to handle. Most people outside our country don't see that. They just assume we are ignorant, stupid Americans who only want to kill and destroy. I will give we have our fair share of idiots but so does every other country.
zahneel 4 years ago
I do to a point agree on getting more strict gun control. Escpecially on hand guns. Rifles and shotguns are used for hunting. It'd be hard to get that one under control. There are steps for getting a gun and unless he found someone to actually sell one to him in a half an hour we actually have laws stating that if you want a gun there is a three day waiting period and a background check involved.
zahneel 4 years ago
I totally agree with you man. But theres no way to convince these American fuckers of this fact. Trust me, being from Canada i know first hand how dumb Americans can be... I mean, they did re-elect George Bush Jr. didn't they?... The funny fuckers expect to get change in American dollars at our Canadian supermarkets!!! Ah well, I cant see America lasting much longer as a superpower anyways... Luckily.
BTTHEBAND 4 years ago
/watch?v=RYOUolZnGIs&mode=related&search=
Hey you limey FUCK - your own nation has the most crime in europe last time i checked! -your own country had a huge and consistent increase in crime after you outlawed handguns -so did Australia - your mindless psychobable is the argument of the sophist - I hope the chains of slavery rest lightly on your shoulders - and remember to forget that we ever called one another brothers you coward!!! And enjoy your self made 1984!
Jefferson414 4 years ago
on the url above just add it after the main web page and see what giving up their guns has led to on the british isles - its like an orwellian nightmare come true - and the PEOPLE ARE NOT EVEN FUCKING PROTESTING IT - YOU ARE ALL OF A BUNCH OF FUCKING SLAVES - FUCKING CATTLE!!!!!!!
Jefferson414 4 years ago
/watch?v=HAuZi8ZiJOg
Here is englands Video cameras - add after "com"
One step from slavery
Jefferson414 4 years ago
If your intelligence was at any level to argue with any reason, then you would realise how totally misinformed you really are. Things aren't perfect here, but they are not Orwellian either. However compared to some of your areas over there, here is a paradise.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
Not Orwellian?-4.5million cameras for 11million people in London & similar statistics is other major counties-The infrastructure to create that Orwellian society is in place, and you have no idea how close you are-Mass murders agree (Stalin, Hitler, Mao), gun control works. Trusting the police and government with your saftey is a horrendously dangerous proposition. Enjoy your slavery. Moooooooo!
/watch?v=psEjU550xmw
Jefferson414 4 years ago
CHICAGO — A surveillance system that uses 2,000 remote-control cameras and motion-sensing software to spot crimes or terrorist acts as they happen is being planned for the city. Mayor Richard Daley said the cameras would be tied to a network armed with software to alert authorities to suspicious behavior.
By M. Spencer Green, AP
Don't worry it is coming your way too so don't crow too loud.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
do a video search for "Hail 2 The Robotic overlord" and have a look at what Samsung is developing for all you bad boys and girls out there. I am not sure that it is real...But you never know. :(
Makes our talking cameras look like dinky toys. I could imagine one of these camouflaged. MooooOOO!
Beware! don't drop your litter with this dude around.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
Incidentally the programming for these things is not too difficult to write and implement.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
dude this vid is starting a huge argument i think somone should flag this inappropriate
wawa779 4 years ago
wawa779. nothing is inappropriate. According to our 1st ammendment right, I have the right to argue any point just as you do. It's people like you who don't want to offend anyone who make it impossible to get anything done in this country. maybe we should talking all together so no one's feelings get hurt
nsh904 4 years ago
see you are quick to stand up for one amendment but not the others eh? hehehe. There is no room for insults in a true debate. Insults are for people who can't actually back up their argument with facts. It's a way to divert attention from the holes in their argument by using manipulative tactics to inflame instead of prove. If your right. Then simply prove it.
thechurchofdave 4 years ago
target shootin? for what? get a bow and some arrows. I agree most handguns don't kill people but you also have to admit that most firearm related homocides are with handguns. you can practice hitting targets with a bb gun if you want, but why do you need a handgun? Why is it that we have more firearm related homocides than any other developed country? is it because we shoot at targets all day?
nsh904 4 years ago
It is a guarantee of the US constitution to own guns. Neither of these young men were old enough to go in a purchase any guns legally to start with. No one who wants to do wrong is going to start by obeying the law.....get real...not going to happen. However in all these cases if just one teacher or student proficient with a handgun had been allowed "by law" to even have a gun in their car, the killers could have been stopped cold.
AndyRSims 4 years ago
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BeautyDarkness15 4 years ago
Thanks BeautyDarkness15.. I'll be sure to blame myself for my mums death if she dies in 4 hours. xLOLx
Diixii3 4 years ago
Go kill yourself you fat asshole low-life!
keli1989 4 years ago
States with concealed carry laws have lower gun crime rates period. If a mugger thinks that granny smith has a 38 special in her purse he thinks twice. Gun laws only tie the hands of the citizens. Criminals will always have guns even if they make them with pipes and home made gun powder. Laws only work if you follow them. Evil people will never follow gun laws. The right to bear arms empowers the citizens. Criminals prefer unarmed subjects.
ceramics1 4 years ago
Wow... this dichotomy between criminals and non criminals is erudite and ethnically proficient. Ever considered law, or philosophy? Maybe something in marketing or advertising. People have in the past thought twice about getting into someone's possessions because of the consideration that said potential victim may have a firearm, but using gun crime to justify gun ownership is perhaps a somewhat flimsy position. Once you've armed everyone, shall we fear or love one another?
cephjiwu 4 years ago
Ceramics, you are completely right. As the saying goes "Fences were made to keep honest people out!" They don't stop the criminals.
terlingua213 4 years ago
I agree completely guns suck we should melt them all and make fuel effitient cars with them and bikes and treadmills so fucking amerikans don't get fat. assholes i hate fat people
adriancrookston 4 years ago
Gud video, lassie. It's the look of the Eyrish. Ok, jk. I think your accent is awesome. I wish I talked like that...but I'm stuck with a dumb english accent...as in, American...so I don't really have an accent...is an american accent a real accent? Anyway, I watched this video cuz it was the shortest I saw.
realmasterchief 4 years ago
you think we ought to outlaw gas? the dude if he can't get a handgun can always go buy a gallon of gas and a zippo!
gun control put someone in control of all the guns?
abolof 4 years ago
Yeah... experts who have no urge to kill. At least, I hope the US government doesn't have that urge, though hawks are hawks...
cephjiwu 4 years ago
well let's err on the side of caution and just enforce the already ponderous laws we have?
abolof 4 years ago
But zagnerf, you have to look outside your own country. Try Japan, for instance. While there are looneys all over the world, guns make it as easy to kill someone as in a video game - a completely impersonal act, and it's easy to take many out at one time.
stinky472 4 years ago
Why bother to look outside my own country? I live here. Besides, I would much rather live free with my privacy intact than live in Japan where the police do not need a reason to search your home.
zagnerf 4 years ago
Looking beyond shows what immediately surrounds you for a more accurate picture of what it really is. If you honestly prefer ignorance, then return to the LCL.
cephjiwu 4 years ago
Different culture... Different level of individual rights.... It would be like comparing apples and oranges.
zagnerf 4 years ago
according to FBI crime statistics(2005) less than 16,000 people a year are murdered by firearms. less than 16,000 in a total population of 250+ million people. according to the FBI private gun owners stop or deter a crime an estimated 500,000 times a year. do the math. it's crazy to punish millions of responsible gun owners for the acts of a relatively miniscule amount of offenders.
warren1816 4 years ago
15,000 people would be two thirds of our town after 10 years at that rate you would wipe out the population of Cumbria. Still it all depends on perspective.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
sliep, look at the 500,000 crimes that are stopped or detered by private gun owners. using your rationale, your town would already have been wiped out many times over if not for them. alot of those are stopped or detered murders. the u.s population is really closer to 300 million. what you call perspective, i call plain old common sense. you don't punish the majority for the acts of a miniscule minority. comprehend?
warren1816 4 years ago
I have only one answer for this, if you believe that this is the case then get your homicide rate down to the levels I have given below, then you have a case for guns, who knows you may win a convert.
If the UK had 7 times the populations the total deaths in this country may reach 350 gun deaths and 1400 with knives as the figures stand.
But one thing please stop defending the rights of mentally ill people to obtain firearms.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
Also Warren I have heard this both from your supporters and through a wider grapevine that the UN are planning a ban on all hand held fire arms including high velocity rifles. I am not sure of the accuracy but If they do, I can see things getting very hot. Incidentally this is not a move I would particularly agree with.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
sliep, i'm not trying to convert u. if u like the laws where u live, it's no skin off of my ass. just don't tell me what i should. i'm an american. you're not. name the only country in the world whose citizens can buy handguns. the usa is the only one. why does that trouble u so much. i'd be troubled if my country wouldn't let me own guns.
warren1816 4 years ago
sliep, i don't have supporters. i'm a free individual who lives in a free country. my country is the only country who believes its citizens have the god-given right of self-defense using firearms. comprehend? why don't all the citizens of all the other countries not claim that god-given right also? i really don't understand that. are u all sheep, relying on big brother to protect you?
warren1816 4 years ago
Perhaps we don't want that as a God given right. As a necessity against a foreign invader or for National defence yes and I have played my part in that.
I would neither want nor expect anyone to protect me save for the teams I served with. I certainly would not expect civillians to assist, I might be rather worried if they did. We were trained for months to handle the ever so humble rifle and pistol and others.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
I was referring to the supporters of the right to carry arms in my comment about the UN.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
sliep, that's your perogative, just don't infringe on mine. i sure wouldn't have minded another armed citizen aiding me during the 2 times i had to use my firearm. i would have welcomed the help. of course, i'm just an american, we tend not to be as brave as you europeans.
warren1816 4 years ago
I should have exchanged the word team for regiment, we knew each others strengths and weaknesses, I would not have nor expected any help from any "civilian" in that environment.
Bravery, I never thought of that, by the way I am not European I am British, if it is one thing that is worse than being sworn at it's being called an European :(.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
sliep, i'm an army vet and an ex-cop. i'll give u some good advice. u can take it or leave it for all i care. if u are in a bad situation and someone offers to help u, ACCEPT THE HELP. it was ordinary citizens who helped me out of a couple of bad situations when i was a cop.
warren1816 4 years ago
AAh! at last, speaks volumes, trained and fully qualified to use assorted weapons, I knew there was something deeper going on in the psyche with you it was just getting to it.
I do not have a problem at all with anyone who has been either forces or police trained carrying arms and never have had.
Young people, who are emotional though are a different matter altogether.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
sliep, in the u.s., there are multitudes of people just as qualified to operate and own a firearm as me. the majority are not former police or vets. my sister shoots better than me and she learned on her own.
warren1816 4 years ago
No doubt, but probably with a little help for her brother
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
sliep, my sister was a natural. we have a shitload of hunters here. kids usually start with .22 rifles and the progression to shotguns and high-powered rifles comes automatically. we're not just "cowboys", it truly is an integral part of our lifestyle.
warren1816 4 years ago
Yes I can understand that, it is with much of the farming community around here. I believe many of our farms still carry the old 12 bore shotgun, it still has a kick.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
sliep, i agree totally with your message, but it's not my choice who can buy/own a gun or not. that's up to state legislatures who are elected by the people. muslims are not my favorite people, either. i pray for u guys in britain. if i lived there, i would definetly want a personal firearm for defense. muslims are screwed-up here, too.
warren1816 4 years ago
Yes you are right, these things I suppose are decided by those who we entrust to govern us, if they make mistakes, which I think is happening more often, it is we who end up paying both ways. Maybe we should be more careful who we choose to govern us. But again, do any of us get who we really want? I wonder.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
sliep, the bravery part was sarcasm.
warren1816 4 years ago
sliep, don't get emotional. that's your problem. i've never defended cho. you're like that y2k guy. if the psyche counselors had reported him, 32 people would still be alive. u want to blame someone, blame them for not doing there jobs. you can't compare crime rates in little old britain with the usa. that's complete ignorance.
warren1816 4 years ago
I am only exchanging figures for figures and as I have already said the police confirmed categorically that the form that was submitted was legal. Let's face it they really missed this one.
In defence of yourself it is the authorites that are responsible for this and not just the psychiatric hospital. He however simply should not have have had a firearm.
Emotion, by the way is not one of my best known qualities.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
sliep, the police, the gun seller, and the insta-check
worked perfectly. the psyche counselors are the ones who dropped the ball. if a bank employee steals from a bank, it's not the bank's fault. the employee has committed a breach of trust. don't try to blame the authorities. the crime is on cho and the psyche counselors' heads.
warren1816 4 years ago
Explain this then..
Virginia State Police said Cho Seung Hui could buy firearms legally even though he had once been ordered taken to a psychiatric hospital when he was reported to be suicidal.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
sliepnir, the psyche counselors judged him mentally defective, but never committed him involuntarily. comprehend? if they had, paperwork would have been filed at the state capitol, and the insta-check would have red-flagged him. comprehend? in my state, you can't buy a firearm if you've been under any psychiatric care.
warren1816 4 years ago
He had been under psychiatric care and the police, knowing this afterwards, said that he would have still legally been able to buy a firearm.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
sliep, u have to READ my posts. i don't live in virginia. i live in another state. in my state, u can't buy a firearm if u have been under any mental health care. MY STATE. the u.s. is comprised of 50 states. comprehend? did u read my other posts? in virginia, cho would have had to be involuntarily committed by the counselors. that committal paperwork would be sent to the state capitol. insta-check would have red-flagged him because of the paperwork filing.
warren1816 4 years ago
I know you don't live in Virginia, however, I am not so proficient on all the laws of every state. Hell, I can barely cover all the new laws in the UK, let alone all the bull that comes from the damned European Parliament.
Law was not my favourite subject, by the time you finish talking to a lawyer you end up more confused than you would have been before you finished.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
sliep, i'm glad u took that post in the spirit that i meant it. several cities and states ban handguns entirely here. it is a complex issue. unless u live here, u really cannot totally understand. in my opnion i don't believe britain should be part of the e.u. u guys should be independent.
warren1816 4 years ago
i believe that too and I think it will be a rough crossing should the government ever take the referendum to take us in.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
sliep, well, i've got to clean my guns so i can go drink some budweiser. take it easy. good luck,
warren1816 4 years ago
enjoy it. I can also remember the great budweiser too.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
sliep, see, this is why you don't see me posting anything about british laws. i don't live in britain, thus i don't know the law there. see where i'm going?
u know little to nothing of u.s. law and firearm purchases. u shouldn't discuss a topic u know so little about.
warren1816 4 years ago
No I disagree the right of discussion comes into free speech and therefore I am entitled to an opinion as you would have been say about the European Parliament or the Iraq war which incidentally affects both our countries.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
sliep, once you take emotion out of any arguement, it's fairly easy to see the factual truth.
warren1816 4 years ago
HAHAHA The US a "FREE" nation HAHAHA !
crookshanks576 4 years ago
Yes but im sure most of these guns are being used in wars overseas. And they where probebly created in your country. The US is one of the top arms producers and they even supplyed Bin Ladin with all his weapons.. Ever watch the Movie Lord Of War, I wouldnt be surprised if the US where responsible for these Illigal firarms.
crookshanks576 4 years ago
Actually and interesting statistic is that twice as many a year are killed every year by medical treatment than by auto accidents here in the U.S. Doctors, in fact, are, according the the prestigious AMA, the third leading cause of death in America-- I shit you not, google it-- coming in right behind heart disease and cancer.
TexasRounder 4 years ago
Guns touch an emotional button. Here in the U.S. you are tens times as likely to die from seeking medical treatment as you are from a gun wound. Probably in fact the factor is still much greater when you consider that gun deaths aren't usually random, but dying from an unrelated illness while seeking medical treatment is.
TexasRounder 4 years ago
Americans, nevertheless, will still gleefully seek medical treatment for a host of minor medical problems this year without a second thought, while becoming hysterical over every act of gun violence. Gun control advocates are driven through their irrational fear to seek the illusion of safety even while that actual gun control measures make us, in reality, less safe.
TexasRounder 4 years ago
The only people who aren't acting logically here are Gun Control advocates: industrial societies with the most strict gun control laws are among the most violent (the U.S. is not even in the top 10), school shootings where the perpetrator has run into armed resistance, from his intended victims, less people have died (google the Appalachian Law School and Pearl high school shootings). Gun control kills! And those who nevertheless press for it do so on purely irrational/emotional grounds.
TexasRounder 4 years ago
You are absolutely right, South Africa I believe rates as the most violent country in the world the murders there are decreasing, with almost a third less murders now than in 1994, but attempted murders remain constant, fueled in part by massive firearm use and the doubling of firearm theft since 1994.
They do not have gun control over there and see the result, no gun control higher deaths simple really
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
Actually the most violent country is Australia, followed by the U.K. according to an independent study conducted by the Leiden University of Holland.
TexasRounder 4 years ago
Banning guns wont do Anything. We are all allowed to bear arms. and we are meant to use them for defense not murder
KokSquad 4 years ago
The shooters at Colombine at made improvised bombs from sections of pipe, and were going to use them to blow up the school. Does this mean that we ought to outlaw lead pipes, too.
I am NOT a supporter of the NRA, but it seems to me that what these shooters REALLY need is a one-way trip to the insane asylum where they can get the REAL help that they need.
Is THAT too much to ask for?
BigJD36 4 years ago
I agree 1000%, preferably before it gets to the stage where they just start to shoot.
There are many signs that someone suffers from mental health problems, these need to be identified early and acted upon.
However they should never be allowed to access firearms as easily. Whilst it is relatively easy to build a "pipe bomb", it is not a tactic that people like this tend to use.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
I agree scotsbright - although unfortunately i t hink people can get hold of them even if they are banned. BUT, giving people more guns isnt the answer (like some have been saying the VTech students should have had guns... madness!).
madmarchhare 4 years ago
Actually, crime is at a seventeen year low. Guns were banned 11 years ago.
Y2Krashman 4 years ago
When Virginia State Police reviewed Cho's March 12 application to buy a 9mm pistol at a Roanoke gun shop, "we determined he was eligible, and we approved him," said Donna Tate, program manager for the state police Firearms Transaction Center.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
erikderat, being fearful of criminals has nothing to do with it. By banning guns, you would encourage them to obtain firearms illegally which empowers their cowardly actions. I don't condone encouraging criminals or empowering them. If guns aren't prevalent in your country then let's discuss the next common weapon criminals use wherever you are. Type of weapon is irrelevant, it comes down to using equal defense against attacking force.
treewire 4 years ago
Exactly. The exact phrase coined for that situation is called escalation. That logic doesn't cut the treewire. If you allow everyone to have guns, then surely that would subdue would be psychophants from rampaging. WRONG! Look at the news.
Y2Krashman 4 years ago
y2k, I never said anything about "everyone" having guns. I said that restricting guns from law abiding citizens doesn't keep guns out of criminals' hands. A gun carrying criminal would think twice about attacking someone he thinks is armed. Most of the time I bet he would leave them alone. Rampaging would be reduced in my opinion.
treewire 4 years ago
What happens when you have two negatives in a row? Watch this: Law = Criminals with guns AND Law Abiding Citizens NOT with guns.
yawehc001 4 years ago
I am going to try this again. Gun Controller view of America: Law = Criminals NOT with guns AND Law Abiding Citizens with guns. Reality: Law = Criminals NOT (NOT caring what law says) with guns AND Law Abiding Citizens with guns. Meaning: Law = Criminals NOT NOT with guns AND Law Abiding Citizens with guns.Now lets change the equation to ban guns. Law = Criminals NOT NOT with guns AND Law Abiding Citizens NOT with guns.
yawehc001 4 years ago
Wow! what a contortion of words to say that Lawful citizens have the most desparate need to carry their arms.
Criminals have never cared what the law does, however the person that has caused this was not a criminal.
Not until he committed this act.
As good or as quick as you are with your guns, you cannot truly protect against someone who just starts to shoot.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
Yes, their is a need for lawful citizens to own guns because you look at the gun as immoral instead of a person. Does a gun hate? Of coarse not. Then the immorality of the situation is somewhere else. If you say it is with the shooter, you must conclude that there are two groups of people who handle firearms. And if you conclude that then you must conclude that there are moral and immoral people who handle firearms.
yawehc001 4 years ago
And if you believe there are moral and immoral people who handle firearms, why be concerned with the moral people who handle firearms since they value human life. As a Christian, my solution to any shooting that leaves people dead or even injured is for everyone to love the Lord, your God, and love thy neighbor as thy self.
yawehc001 4 years ago
There are moral people, there are immoral people and there are those who simply lose control. A comparison
cannot be made for those. Only common sense and a great deal of care to make sure that no harm comes to others through the people that do "lose control".
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
Losing control is immoral because he had hate. I don't know who you think immoral people are if you think that hate in one's heart is not immoral. Plus, you must admit that it wasn't the gun that lost control, it was Cho Seung Hui. Therefore the culpret was Cho Seung Hui, not the firearm(s) he used so how can you point to the gun as the problem when the gun didn't lose control?
yawehc001 4 years ago
There also can be underlying psychological reasons fro a person losing control, high functioning autism for instance.
If this guy suffered something like this and there is a possibility, he would not be able to cope to well with any normel social situations.
"if" indeed he had something like this, the authorities would have a hell of a lot to answer to.
Sliepnir2006 4 years ago
You erased my comment? Was the BOOLEAN logic making too much sense?
yawehc001 4 years ago
Give me a hundred people, trapped, with access to chairs and the like, and let's see how far you get. Yeah, you'll kill a couple, then you'll end up bludgeoned with a desk before getting your arteries severed with your own weapon... Before someone tears out your corotid and realigns it with your jugular.
Y2Krashman 4 years ago
y2k, if that's true, why did the majority of those jews in ww2 concentration camps not fight back? u talk big, but you'd probably be shitting your pants in the same situation. i know how i'd act because i've done it before.
warren1816 4 years ago
You're a dick mate. 100 vs 1. I think you overestimate mr Kung-fu-Katana blades. But then again, you had no idea we were discussing psycho's with swords, did ya? Just sorta, jumped right in there. Mate talk as tough as you like, you sound like a 12 year old in his mom's basement. Whatever NEO.
Y2Krashman 4 years ago
y2k, hey einstein, u read my last post? deaths by guns is a drop in the bucket compared to the deaths caused by people commiting vehicular offenses in the u.s. do u finally see how backward ur logic is? ur a real dumbfuck.
warren1816 4 years ago
Okay, so vehicular murder outweighs firearm homicide. Get a life dweeb. Then quit masturbating with your head.
Y2Krashman 4 years ago
Fuck a duck, and here I was being a dumb fuck by thinking we're talkin about murder. We're just discussing all the possible causes of death. Okay two topics down. Several billion left to go. What's your brain made of? Smegma?
Y2Krashman 4 years ago
y2k, THE FBI STATS ARE FOR MURDER BY FIREARMS(2005). 2006 hasn't been compiled yet. i decided to repeat that because i know you have a hard time with reading and comprehension.
warren1816 4 years ago
y2k, it don't get any sweeter than taking a dumbass australian or european to school. worry about your own country, fuckwad. you don't have the brains to help mine.
warren1816 4 years ago
To school. Wow big word. Did you actually go? Seriously? How many murders anually are executed where a car is the primary weapon? Got any stats? I'm guessing it would be less than 20. Versus your 30,000 gun deaths. If you want to argue accidental deaths, lets talk heart disease. Now, still think you're head's not in pole-hole here?
Y2Krashman 4 years ago
y2k, u r retarded, right? duis that injure or take a life are not "accidental", they are premeditated, thus the title "felony dui". is everybody in australia as stupid as you? it must be caused from screwing all those sheep.
warren1816 4 years ago
y2k, i thought you knew everything already about the u.s. u sure post like you do. try the mothers against
drunk driving(MAAD)or the national transportation board sites, u ignorant fuck.
warren1816 4 years ago
y2k, you make it so easy to show you for a fool. since you are a glutton for punishment, i'll be happy to give it to you.
warren1816 4 years ago
Yawn. Why don't you do it for me, and I'll correct your answers. You are taking me to school right? Give us the facts.
We're talking murder. Not manslaughter buddy. But you did know that, right? Fire up the kettle, drink some coffee, then fire up some neurons.
Y2Krashman 4 years ago
y2k, you can't correct any of my mistakes because u lie. i even baited you on u.s. traffic deaths. anybody with any sense knows they aren't in the millions. there are around 50,000 a year. u didn't even research that and i gave you the links. u r a fool.