Lojban is GREAT. I just need patience.

[shanikuzai]

@arpee9216 Have you ever been to the Lojban IRC? We have a lot of lojban speakers there, we'd be glad to welcome you there! =)

webchat.freenode . net/?channels=lojban

[chasmicshoes]

.i .au do snada

[iggymydog]

mongolian it is required to learn over 7 thousand words to be able to hold a conversation. there is 7 different voice tones...if your voice is the wrong tone then you could turn the word elephant into hamburger.......and the word order is more complex then english......lol try to learn that for a year then lojban will wseem easy lol but keep up the good work

[Dadutta]

esperanto may be "european", but lojban is basically hindi+spanish+russian.

[0hmyy0utubeusername]

It helps to be a logical person before learning lojban, it will be too much if you get all worked up before even learning it. Its a far better candidate than english for international communications for sure, although english is more spread out.



[inhumanhyena]

Lol oh now I saw this, so i imagine you already similar responses.

[inhumanhyena]

I find every language frustrating to learn, some people get this stuff so quick but I struggle even though I learned to speak very young. But it all comes with work I think, and with love, when you love it you work more at it.

[greghill00]

Thanks for this. I'm taking up Lojban myself, any tips?

[arpee9216]

@greghill00 , yeah, have very good memory. A word can have up to 7 variables and you have to remember which word is appropriate for each position, whereas in English, we just have prepositions like "to", "in", "on", "at" , and so on.

[greghill00]

@arpee9216 Thanks. How did you learn to speak words? There doesn't seem to be a lot of audio available.

[arpee9216]

@greghill00 , Google Lojban Phonology and it'll teach you how to pronounce words

[ReasonGuysCopyright]

:)

Glad you are studying it :D

Good luck...

[gposhto]

I was just looking at Novial this morning. It was designed by Otto Jespersen, a professional linguist who also had a lot of experience with Esperanto, Ido, and Occidental (as well as knowledge of others). Novial has a very Englishy grammar with international roots and I consider it an excellent candidate to bridge the gap between other languages and English. Considering English is fast becoming the default auxlang, Novial would tuck right in neatly as an intermediate layer and people who new ...

[gposhto]

... Novial and wanted to learn English. Any auxlang is going to be competing with English for dominance, so an auxlang is most likely to succeed that provides an international appeal, is useful as an accurate language for translators and scientific work, and acts as a reasonable stepping stone toward English. Anything that English people can more readily adopt (owing to a more familiar but regularized grammar) for use internationally will provide a more even footing.

[gposhto]

...I recently read Arika Okrent's book "In the Land of Invented Languages" and she says Lojban has 600 pages of grammar! Yikes! I need something simpler than that for sure.

[arpee9216]

@gposhto , yes but most of the grammar is optional. You can use simple grammar.

Just like in English, saying "I have forgotten" is a bit more complicated than just saying "I forgot".

[gposhto]

@arpee9216 Oh interesting, well good luck with Lojban. There's so many languages out there, it's like an ocean of fish to catch.

[drhycodan]

So all the Worte in das language ist kein derived from Latin or any Sprache?

[arpee9216]

@drhycodan , Not derived. They are inspired. The word "prenu" is derived from the Mandarin Chinese word "ren" and English "person".

[Imralu]

@arpee9216 To be more specific, prenu is derived from Mandarin 人 "rén" (REN), English "person" (PRsN), Hindi पुरुष "puruṣa" (PuRUc), Spanish "persona" (PERsoN) and Russian персона "persona" (PiRsoN)

[arpee9216]

@Imralu Nice, someone should really make a Lojban etymology

[Imralu]

@arpee9216 Most of the etymology is available on "en" dot "wiktionary" dot "org (without the three double use). :-)

[1989Zachyo]

Ĉu vi bonvole diru al mi ke ekzistas sistemon loĵban-an aŭ ne, per kiu, oni povas esprimi ekvaciojn matematikajn pli ŝpraeme?

Amike,

Ĉetano

Dear Friend,

Could you please tell me if there exists a more efficient system of expressing mathematical equations in Lojban or not?

Regards,

Chetano

[JerryBear48]

@1989Zachyo There exists an esperanto rquivalent of Lojban. It was designed for artificial intelligence and communication. I am not sure what happemed to the project. It was constructed like LOjban but using Esperanto elements. A sign langguage version of Esperanto called Signuno is supposed to debut this year. I am not sure what is going on with that either, Their are two big problems with Lojban. It is said to be modeled after the computer language Prolog. Not a good recommendation IMHO.

[JerryBear48]

@JerryBear48 Two big problems with Lojban. It is based on computer langyages which are not really like human langyages,. Second it has over 600 syntactic rules which is way too many. Still if we have to talk to space aliens a simplified version of Lojban would probably be ideal. Human languages are not

Turing Machines" and cannot be described precisely by mathematics but something like Lojban can be.We may also need it for AI.

[ethikos]

@JerryBear48 Remember the name of that language by any chance? I'm intrigued.

[JerryBear48]

@ethikos I have been trying to find it on the Internet again. Maybe I shoud try the "wayBack Machine".

[MrJastin]

Right, it should be known by all, but not replace culture, so we don't like, become organic machines.

[ssoloness]

i think the best language would be latin...

[arpee9216]

@ssoloness

Can you go into more details, please? Why would Latin be best.

[ssoloness]

latin is neutral and its not the official language of any country. latin is the base of romance languages like spanish french portuguese italian and romenian, and half or something of english comes from latin. i think it would be a great lingua franca because in medieval europe it worked just fine and made comunication much easier. from an european language point of view latin would be the best choice, from an asian would be unfair, since chinese is older than latin..

[ssoloness]

but even so, if and asian goes to a country that english french spanish portuguese and could understand latin he could travel anywere in europe and the americas and some parts of africa and would understand the natives and vice-versa. latin for thousands of years has been the language of science and religion, what i mean is that the offical names of animals and plants are in latin, so i also think is the most complete.. anyway thats just my point of view : )

[fiorixF1]

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AVE OMNIBUS!

[ufee]

I would like to learn both lojban and latin. lojban because it's freakin' cool and latin because of the historical significance.

[ArandurKing909]

@ssoloness Because it's archaic?

[ssoloness]

@ArandurKing909 yes

[ArandurKing909]

@ssoloness Maybe we should use the feudal system, because it's archaic :)

[JerryBear48]

@ssoloness The Jesuits were delighted when the Vatican told them they could study theology courses in Italian instead of Latin. Even the Catholic church has effectively abandoned Latin. It is just unworkable as a modern language.

[thisusernameistaken2]

Also, as useful as Lojban may be in the future for linguistics work, I think you're learning it for the wrong reason (I'm probably too late but this may be useful for others).

Esperanto 'is too European' is a case I hear a lot. This doesn't stop it from being a good culturally neutral language. Apparently many oriental languages have a lot in common with it grammar-wise, and there are a lot of Japanese and Chinese speakers who are influencing the language.

[thisusernameistaken2]

It is certainly very easy to learn. I believe I am testament to that when I say I've been learning for 5½ months and read fluidly and communicate with friends freely. I may not be fluent, but I feel I'm getting close.

I read an article by a Chinese Esperantist who argued, so "Esperanto is too European", what, does that mean ignore it and have English (or whatever else is popular at the time), an infinitely harder language, take over?

[thisusernameistaken2]

By design and in practice, Esperanto is intended to be only a second language for international communication. This means, while it certainly takes national influence, it isn't really subjected to dialectical variation or cultural differences among different geographical communities. In fact, it's developed its own sort of culture.

I believe the issue is not that Esperanto is "too European" but that it LOOKS "too European" and thus is driving people away from learning such a beautiful language.

[thisusernameistaken2]

Man the bad camera work is distracting me. Please do something about that.

[K0attack]

You pronounced Sanskrit wrong. Though it's written Sanskrit, it's pronounced as SUN-skrit.

[flashlightag]

and how was he supposed to know that?

[anglaismoyen]

what about esperanto? it may be euro-central but vocabulary's not the main thing (and lojban doesn't have a vocab specific to anywhere, so it doesn't help anyone) the grammar is much simpler, and is more natural, thus easier for a natural being (rather than computer). but keep it up, anyway. that's just my opinion.

[jambec144]

(Keyboard broken: no apostrophes or quotation marks.)

Ignore rude responses. Your interest and effort already put you ahead.

Pronounce the O long, as in bOat, not cOt. Dialectical differences in English pronunciation create come confusion about O (for me, cOt and cAUght are the same).

Pronounce J as in meaSure, not John.

Lojban has no verbs/nouns, but a predicate grammar. =koa xunra= can mean X is red (adjective), X reddens (verb), or X is a red thing (noun).

Dont be discouraged.

[faoih]

yeah, please keep going, I'm interested in how fast it can be learned