The bottom line that Myers leaves out is the fact that more than three shots were fired. He tries to convince us through computer animation like NIST shows us the WTC pancake theory. Proof through computer animation is a tactic the conspirators use frequently. THE bin Laden compound raid is the latest.
Thank you Bob! I was just looking for something like that since the DM explanation didn´t seem correct to me. I´m still wondering what happened with the Discovery Channel :(
...the sign is visible in numerous other films/photos AND is in the same position when the WC reconstructed the scene, we KNOW that the positioning of the limo was not moved. His inane observations of figures moving legs too fast for 1/18th of a frame ignores is easily explained - motion blur makes the figures indistinct for some frames!
Further, and this has been confirmed by numerous reconstructions, the Zapruder film MATCHES the other films and photos taken that day. This guy has NO CLUE.
The Zapruder "anomolies." I watched the video in question and its level of "analysis" is laughable. Numerous howlers there, like suggesting that the position of the motorcade was altered by compositing. He bases this on stuff like figures seen not facing the motorcade. But he leaves out a rather massive problem - the perspective would no longer match! And, since we see light poles which we know were there AND the sign which he bizarrely claims wasn't...
The problem with so much of this subject is some people will believe ANYTHING. Take Norman Similas who took a photo which the Toronto Telegram lost. Turns out when the RCMP interviewed the photo editor, they said Similas sure BELIEVED he saw something, but the editors saw nothing, but took the negative nevertheless as he was so excited about it.
Why should we believe the Telegram? Because this would have been the scoop of the century if a photo of the assassin was there, that's why.
Still on my iPhone. On FBI "pressure" on Rowland. There are several reasons to doubt that. First, he met the FBI on 22 and 23 Nov. Yet Walther, who described two men 5 Dec, told this to.... the FBI. Why would they not pressure her, but pressure him? Especially at that later date when they'd presumably know the "correct" scenario?
Further, Rowland told the same story -1, not 2 men - FOUR different times 22 nov, Dallas police, Sorrels. And his own wife testified he never said anything then about
@funkmasterjee Rowland. There is no dispute that Rowland claims 2 men on the 6th floor. However, he never mentioned a second man until his WC testimony. On 4 or 5 occasions Nov 22, 23 he gave testimony to Dallas police, Secret Service, FBI. HE NEVER MENTIONED A 2ND MAN. Are you suggesting they ALL intimidated him into changing his story? And you say I am naive? Wow. Further, his wife said until his WC testimony HE NEVER MENTIONED A 2ND MAN. This is a case of embellishment.
The Toronto Telegram. I knew people who worked for that paper, one of my city's leading papers in its day (folded in 1971.) I can GAURENTEE that any such photo would be published, if it showed what it was purported to show. Further, not sure why a Canadian paper would feel pressured not to publish a photo like this. I know the two words an editor would say if the FBI called.
Like I said, I'm on my iPhone at the moment. But you have posted so far is the usual stuff from the conspiracy crowd. Like the Mauser stuff. Trouble is, the rifle was photographed in situ, and its recovery filmed. It was a Carcano. Tippit? The bullets could not be matched as they were the wrong calibre. But the shells were matched, and something like 9 witnesses either saw Oswald shoot or flee the scene. That would settle it in most cases, but the conspiracy crowd tries to explain away inconven
@1239jer watch the recovery of the MC rifle film AGAIN . I don't know which one you're watching but in the one I have seen you will see in a few frames ANOTHER rifle. Tippet: If they were the wrong calibre the gun would malfunction. More than one witness gave descriptions not do not match with Oswald. Others were not sure
@funkmasterjee Rifle. The Dallas cops who said "Mauser" ALL said that it was the rifle we see recovered, not a second rifle placed there. The cameraman was there during the recovery, if these police claim it was in fact a Mauser, then why did they not say anything about a switch which clearly had to have happened? BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SWITCH. Another example of silly conspiracy arguments.
@funkmasterjee Tippet. The slugs were from a larger-calibre weapon. Why do we know this? Because the barrel markings were indistinct (though one expert matched one slug to Oswald's gun). The slugs HAD to have come from a larger-calibre weapon. NINE witnesses positively identified Oswald as the man who shot Tippet or fled the scene. Another example of conspiracy theorists incapable of accepting clear, positive evidence. Even if we discount Markham, we still have 8 others. Next.
@1239jer I'm not referencing ANY conspiracy authors. I am referencing the words that came out of Rowland's mouth, not some signature questionably obtained under duress or coercion.
@1239jer ' one which he signed - which said nothing about a 2nd man ' - have you ever heard of pressure from FBI interviewers ? Please don't be naive.
The interview on Houston street is there to watch. Search - ' JFK assassination witness Arnold Rowland describes seeing a gunman at a different window '
The problem with the stopped limo claim is that there were some 4 or 5 films, none show the limo stop.... WC never said LHO took bus home, he left bus, landlady saw, took cab, LHO admitted this.... Cartridges matched to tippit gun, something like 9 witnesses saw Oswald shoot or flee. Etc. most of the conspiracy claims require virtually the entire city of Dallas to be in on the conspiracy..
@1239jer The bullets taken from Tippit's body could not be positively identified as coming from Oswald's revolver. ...the markings on a bullet are like a fingerprint. No match means Oswald did not do it. The descriptions from some witnesses did not match Oswald.
@funkmasterjee Bullets from Tippit. Not sure where you get this stuff, but as I stated, the bullets were too small for the gun - so the barrel markings could not be matched because they were indistinct. So we know that the bullets were fired by a larger-calibre weapon, which Oswald's gun was. Witnesses? NINE positive identifications. I hope you are not relying on Mark Lane's fraudulent treatment of Markham's testimony.
@1239jer If you have examined ' JFK's revenge part 1- the Zapruder film was altered ' you would see that there a several anomalies with the Zapruder film which cannot be attributed to anything except editing. The cartridges found at the Tippet shooting could NOT be matched with Oswald's revolver. They were incompatible with ANY revolver.
@funkmasterjee Zapruder. Clear and total bullshit. The "anomolies" are figments of the imagination. Further, the sort of alterations said to have been done would have EASILY been detected. The inanity of some of these arguments is breathtaking.
The cartridges were matched to the revolver to the exclusion of every weapon on the planet. You are entitled to your own opinion, funkmaster, you are not entitled to your own facts.
CE 399 was not "pristine," it was flattened, entirely consistent with a tumbling bullet striking near sideways after passing thru JFK. By time bullet travelling thru wrist, travelling too slow to shatter, lead found there could only come from base - 399 had lead extruding. Fragments matched to 399.
@1239jer CE399 was discovered by hospital engineer Darrell C. Tomlinson on one of two gurneys on the ground floor of the hospital. Although Tomlinson testified to the Warren Commission in 1964 that he was not sure on whose gurney he found the bullet, He has gone on record independent of the Warren Report, stating that he found the bullet on the gurney NEXT to the one that transported Connally to an operating room table on the second floor of the hospital.
@funkmasterjee The issue of which gurney it was on is a complete non-issue. That's because the bullet can be traced to the rifle. Are you saying instead that it came from the boy on the other stretcher? Or maybe someone saw it on the floor and put it on the gurney as, that day, there were bigger fish to fry.
@funkmasterjee CE 399. "Virtually" pristine? That's like saying "virtually" pregnant. It is not easy to flatten a bullet like the CE 399. Unless it is tumbling and, say, hits bones - like ribs - sideways. As what is claimed. And now, slowed down so it can't shatter, and entering base first, it shatters the wrist and leaves lead FROM THE BASE OF THE BULLET. CE 399 and the injuries, IOW, are CONSISTENT with what is claimed to have happened.
@1239jer three of the seven members of the Warren Commission, Sen. Richard Russell, Rep. Hale Boggs, and Sen. John Cooper, have stated that they did not support the single bullet theory because it did not fit the evidence. Yes, four did. But it shows the opinion was very divided
@1239jer Besides breaking his right radius wrist bone at its widest point the slightly flattened single bullet is supposed to have completely destroyed 127 millimeters (5 in) of Connally's fifth right rib bone as it smashed through his chest interior at a documented 10-degree anatomically downward angle. The only way you'll get a bullet like CE399 is by it tumbling through gel. Not smashing into bone
@funkmasterjee Ribs. The WC concluded that the bullet was tumbling, which explains a) the ovoid entry wound in Connally and b) the flattened nature of the bullet. It is the FLATTENING which is evidence for it striking the ribs broadside. Then, entering backwards into the wrist, too slow to now be shattered, the bullet nevertheless left lead which had come from its base.
The wound evidence IOW, is entirely consitent with a bullet which passed through JFK and was tumbling into J
@1239jer Dr. Erik Randich and Dr. Patrick M Grant:
Dr. Randich is a metallurgist with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. Dr. Grant, a chemist, is the director of the Lawrence Livermore Forensic Science Center.
They concluded:
Quote " there is no justification for concluding that two, and only two, bullets were represented by the evidence. Nor is there justification for concluding that three, four or five bullets were MORE OR LESS likely than two bullets "
@funkmasterjee Randich and Grant. The problem with their analysis is they approached this as if we are talking about bullets manufactured currently. But these bullets were made 50 years ago, and the particular batch were not homogeneous in terms of their antimony, which what the tests relied upon.
We would, IOW, expect distinct levels of antimony in different bullets from that particular batch of WCC. We see only two groups however, suggesting only two bullets.
@1239jer Right, so you know better than the director of the Lawrence Livermore Lab's Forensic Science centre and the Lawrence Livermore Lab's metallurgist ???
I think it would be difficult to find two people better qualified, - yet you are a metallurgical expert of even higher regard?
Randich and Grant's study grew out of work Randich did in 2002 that exposed a fatal flaw in the FBI's use of bullet-lead evidence to connect suspects with crime scenes in thousands of criminal cases during the past three decades.
@funkmasterjee The "fatal flaw" is the presumed heterogeniety of individual bullets, an analysis which in fact negates the utility of the NAA now - why? Because manufacturing methods mean modern bullets are indistinguishable from one another in a batch owing to the uniformity of their creation.
But we are talking about what we'd expect - and what the heterogeniety was - of bullets made 50 years ago.
@funkmasterjee Dr Vincent Guinn testified to the HSCA that THOSE bullets - the WCC batch WERE distinguishable owing to the non-uniformity of the antimony used in their manufacture. He - and others - found ranges of antimony within a single bullet which differed from other bullets in the same batch and were characteristic.
He and Rahn, Sturdivan later deemed it highly unlikely that a 3rd bullet (or 4th) would coincidentally match in terms of antimony levels.
@funkmasterjee Sturdivan responded to the Randich/Grant study by saying they ignored what bullets we'd expect from the early 1960s, basing their conclusions in part on the modern reality which discounts NAA.
It should be noted that the NAA analysis is CONSISTENT with the SBT, the best counter-argument is suggesting (as R&G did) that it is POSSIBLE other bullets are represented, though Sturdivan says this is wildly IMPROBABLE.
@funkmasterjee "Right, so you know better than the director of the Lawrence Livermore Lab's Forensic Science centre and the Lawrence Livermore Lab's metallurgist ???"
Uh, you know better than all the ballistics experts, photographic experts and forensic experts who conclude the Zapruder film is unaltered, the bullets were fired from the revolver and CE 399 did the damage it did? Give me a break, funkmaster.
Zapruder film. The limo never stopped and the film was not altered. We know this because the other films show the same thing- the limo never stopped. The "anomalies" aren't there and the changes claimed would have been easy detected. One "anomaly" is Franzens 360-7. But wife is simply stepping from curb. Frames viewed stereo also wld indicate changes. None there.
@1239jer There are plenty of anomalies with the Zapruder film. I have already detailed them. Once again - many witnesses stated that the limo stopped or virtually stopped
@1239jer "The limo never stopped". It sure did according to many witnesses who testified that it stopped for several seconds - including the Mayor's wife.
@TheLensSolution "stopped limo." The Zapruder film, as well as the Nix, Muchmore and Bronson films, which all show the fatal shot, also show that the limo never stopped.
This is missing the point. The WC concluded that a PRISTINE undamaged bullet was recovered from Connely's stretcher. A bullet that goes through two people, beaking bone along the way is never pristine. All lab tests reaffirm that
@funkmasterjee "The WC concluded that a PRISTINE undamaged bullet was recovered from Connely's stretcher." The bullet was NOT "pristine" and the WC never described it as such. Far from it. More nonsense from the conspiracy crowd. It was flattened laterally. And the only way that could happen if it struck something solid - like ribs - as it was tumbling.
Carolyn Walther. Said 4th or 5th floor, "positive" not 6th. But with pal Pearl Springer who saw no one gunman and said Walther said nothing about what she supposedly saw after the assassination. She probably saw Harold Norman of TSBD leaning out window, later embellished story.
@1239jer Carolyn Walther merely got the floor wrong. She said she positively saw two men WITH GUNS. I invite you to watch the interview with her on youtube - ' JFK assassination witness Carolyn Walther describes seeing 2 different gunmen ' The DPD and secret service had NO personnel in the TSBD. Two gunmen = conspiracy
Arnold Rowland. Roger Craig told HSCA Arnold saw 2 men. But Craig's reports 11/23 make no mention of this. CL Lewis report 11/23 says Arnold saw 1, not 2. FM Turner report says 1, not 2. Forrest Sorrels said Arnold told him 1 man, standing "port arms"(!) In sheriff office, notarized report signed by Arnold says 1 man. To WC, described 1 man with new man there. News to wife who testified otherwise.
@1239jer have a look at ' JFK assassination witness Arnold Rowland describes seeing a gunman at a different window ' on youtube. It's a brief interview with Arnold Rowland (probably 1968 - 1970 era). He in so many words says - man with high powered scoped rifle at OTHER end (western end) of TSBD.
Scottthefish: sorry, misunderstood what you were saying. Flakes remained in Connally, small fragments were recovered. These were matched via NAA tests to CE 399. CE 399 weighed 158.6 grains, intact these bullets were around 161 gn. 4 fragments from the wrist were recovered, the largest was 0.3 gn. So the total weight was less than 1 bullet
@1239jer I cannot go weigh these, but the pieces photographed in the petri dishes look a LOT bigger than .03 grains. There are radio-logic traces in both men still. NAA tests can only connect fragments to a batch of bullets, not a specific bullet. This trajectory still does not explain the bullet hole in the mid-line of JFK's neck, just below the adams apple.
@Scottthefish That's the opinion of the experts interviewed by the HSCA in terms of the weight of the pieces. Those traces are mere flakes.
"NAA tests can only connect fragments to a batch of bullets." That's true now, but it's not true of the bullets we are talking about made circa 1960, in particular the WCC bullets. Antimony levels were found to be significantly different bullet-to-bullet within a batch, but within a narrow range within a bullet.
It definitely could have been one shot from Oswald, but that doesn't explain why there are more bullet fragments in Conally's wounds than are missing from exhibit 399, or the bullet hole in the windshield.
@Scottthefish Fragments from the wrist were matched to 399 via NAA analysis. And what remains were mere flakes. The "bullet hole" was from a fragment, and it hit the INTERIOR of the limo.
@1239jer There are archive photos of the fragments removed from Conally's wrist wound and they are not flakes, they are more than what 399 is missing. They actually look more like chunks of lead from the bottom. I believe in the single bullet theory, and I have always thought the head shot was from Oswald as well, but there is no way that 399 did all that damage. What it means I am not sure.
@1239jer The wrist fragments matching to CE399 has been contradicted by Dr. Erik Randich ( a metallurgist with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory) and Dr. Patrick M Grant, ( director of the Lawrence Livermore Forensic Science Center ) It is possible the fragments are from CE 399 but far from proven to be a certainty
@optobob If you accept what Bob Harris is saying about the correct seat positioning and the distance between JFK and Connely, AND you pre-suppose that one bullet went through BOTH of them, then you have to accept that the trajectory was much lower (10 degrees) and came from .....the Daltex building. No way could it have come from the TSBD AND gone through both of them
Absolutely silly. A bullet passes through 4 things without a bit of deflection and seemingly hitting all 4 things simultaneously. Kennedy takes a bullet through his trapezius muscle yet is immediately able to flex it and hold his shoulders upward for 5 solid seconds. And Connely who supposedly heard a bullet coming from behind him is intently scanning the grassy knoll (as is Kennedy) just before being hit and recoiling backwards (as did Kennedy). Sure!
Funny thing is, after 48 years, with the help of science and forensic study, we have proven more and more that Oswald acted alone, Unfortunately, those 48 years have done zero, nil, hogwash, nada for any evidence that it wasn't Oswald.
@billyballs68 actually, no. it hasn't been proven any more that "oswald did it." not knowing who did, or being able to prove it even if it was practically known, is not evidence that he did do it. under that thinking, not being able to prove elvis didn't do it would mean that he did. magic bullet claims have been debunked a zillion times, and evidence even came out in recent years that showed conclusions about the forensics of the ammo were bogus.
@slyjokerg Please provide me with a list of 5-10 actual pieces of evidence that prove a conspiracy, now keep in mind 'm not asking for a list of 5-10 questions, that is the standard tactic of Conspiracy kooks, to ask questions, I'll wait for your list of evidence.
From the street Arnold Rowland saw two men on the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository minutes before the assassination. One at the western window was carrying a gun. The other man at the eastern window (the so called 'sniper's nest') was a dark complected man. The FBI wrote nothing about this and the Warren commission said he was mistaken.
From the street Carolyn Walther saw two men on one of the upper floors of the Texas School Book Depository minutes before the assassination. She heard one shot, then two almost simultaneously, then a fourth shot. She was never called as a witness by the Warren commission.
John Powell was an inmate on the 6th floor of the Dallas county jail, staright across the street from the book depository. He and some of his inmates saw two dark complected men in the southeast corner ('sniper's nest') of the book depository. Non of them were called to testify before the Warren commission.
@billyballs68 4. The zapruder film was deliberately altered to hide the fact that the limo stopped and quite possibly to hide the presence of a second almost simultaneous head shot. Examination of the film reveals that the area above the limo has been re-scaled and re-timed. There is fringing around the lamp post, persons on the south side of elm st. look too large, the drivers head snaps around in less than 1/18th of a sec (frames missing) and more..look for yourself !
@funkmasterjee The Zap film's various copies are identical. Therefore, any alteration had to happen the day of. However, the film is entirely consistent with the other photos and films taken that day. This issue has been examined by film experts (not on-line amateurs) and no alteration was detected. For one, how would one do it, given the images on the sprocket holes? An optical printer would not be able to reproduce that. Technically, it's too hard to do, especially in hours.
@1239jer Then explain to me the discrepancies in the film. They speak for themselves. The evidence is there in the film if you examine it. the only explaination is that one of the three copies was edited, duplicated and the originals destroyed. I don't know. But take a look at the oddities in the film (I will list them separately if you like) and then come back to me once you have looked and tell me they look normal. You won't be able to.
Norman Similas took pictures with the TSBD in the background. One showed two men in the 6th floor window with a gun. He sent the negative to the Toronto Telegram. When it was not used in the paper, he asked them to return it. He recieved a cheque but the negative was missing. The paper said it had 'disappeared'. The picture has never been published.
@1239jer The Toronto telegram never denied being sent the negatives. Maybe there was no way to verify the exact time the photo was taken therefore they didn't want to commit to publishing? If there was no-one there as you put it - why conveniently 'lose' the negs ? Why not just post them back?. Suspicious
4. Multiple witnesses heard a shot from the picket fence area and one man saw a gun being dismantled and passed to another man who then hid it.
5. The cartridge cases found at the scene of Tippets shooting are incompatible with Oswald's revolver (in fact ANY revolver). Oswald DID NOT do it.
6. The zapruder film has been edited to hide the fact that the limo stopped and the existence of a second head shot. (I can list the anomalies if you like)
@funkmasterjee Picket fence. Deally Plaze is an echo chamber. We know bullets were fired from the TSBD. Many witnesses heard that and some saw a gunman fire. If there was a gunman at the knoll, then why do virtually NO witnesses say they heard gunfire from TWO directions?
Cartridges were matched to the revolver to the exclusion of every firearm on the planet. Not sure where you are getting your information, but you are repeating a lot of very old b.s. which has been debunked.
1. In at least one still photograph a second person is visible on the 6th floor of the TSBD at time of shooting.(also verified by at least one witness)
2. Mauser rifle (NOT carcanno) found on the 6th floor of the TSBD (verified by signed affidavit by a gun expert)
3. No one could identify Oswald as having travelled back home by bus despite what the W.C said
3b Oswald's palm print only 'found' on MC rifle after his death (planted?)
Oswald left an abundant trail of incriminating evidence. An assassin, intelligent enough in preparing a »plant« that he even did not know the motorcade route in advance, would not be so careless as to carry incriminating documents in his wallet or leave photographs of himself holding the murder rifle where the police could easily find them.
@billyballs68 actually oswald didn't leave much of a trail of incriminating evidence at all, if any. first, your claim that he did presupposes THAT he did. it presumes a conclusion. you are beginning with a fallacious mindset. nothing in his wallet remotely proved he shot kennedy. no picture of him holding any gun proves that he shot kennedy. you are taking things that aren't evidentiary and saying they prove your case. you are starting with a conclusion you wish to assert as true.
@billyballs68 it is impossible for both men to be hit by the same bullet AT THE SAME TIME. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. people crack me up. do you think they are the same being? is this some sort of religious thing, where john connally and JFK are one and the same, like some sort of holy trinity concept? LMAO. even if the magic bullet was/is true, FIRST kennedy is struck.. THEN connally is. they can't be struck at the same time, dumbass.
@billyballs68 The bullet found on the stretcher was a plant. No bullet fired through two animal (or human) cadavers, striking bone on the way comes out pristine. It's pure bullshit. No one has ever been able to replicate it. Further evidence of conspiracy.
Gee, sly, you spent an entire post avoiding a simple, direct question: how far apart were JFK and Connally? If they were "too close" in Myers video, let us know the actual distance! And "more than 25 inches" is a cop-out answer.
Then, strangely, Bob points out an obvious jump-cut, and undermines his own contention. The trajectory "works," he says, in the wire-frame animation. But in what he terms the "correct" position with the full animation, it doesn't work. Well, duh. That's because they are too far apart. Bob is in fact guilty of what he accuses Myers of doing - moving the two apart to "prove" a trajectory. If not 25.5 ", then how far did the bullet travel between the two? Is not that the question?
@1239 holy hell you are thick. harris didn't move them FALSELY apart in an effort to make something fit. they WERE that far apart. he pointed out that in the wire frame production that myers did, the figures were misrepresented re: their distance apart. myers had to sit them far too closely together in order to make his depiction fit. that is why harris says that in that PHONY portrayal, it may work. BUT THAT ISN'T HOW THEY WERE SITTING. myers fabricated it to suit his predetermined goal.
@slyjokerg The distance between the exit from JFK's throat to Connally's back was 25 inches. This has been determined via numerous recreations. Bob has his positioning wrong, simply put. JFK's knees were almost hitting Connally's back. This looks a bit exaggerated in the video but the distances are correct. Again, I ask the question, if not 25 inches, then what was the distance?
@1239jer LMAO. watch this video again. you are denying simple, plain reality. in myers' bs production, he transparently misplaced the two men. they were NOT that close together. jfk was NOT right up against the back of connally's seat. you are looking at an apple, and calling it a jeep. "if not 25 inches..." ummmm, how's about... MORE THAN 25 inches? LMAO. quite obvious. you simply want to accept what he says, even when it has plainly been debunked.
@slyjokerg You are so laughably wrong, I don;t know what to say. AGAIN, if not 25 inches, what was the distance? It's a simple question, why are you avoiding the answer? What Bob has done, I repeat, is move them FARTHER apart, which has the effect of flattening the descent and make it appear the shot appeared from a much lower elevation. However, he seems to be doing this based on some SCHEMATIC HSCA sketches which don't have the scales correct. So... how far apart were they?
@1239jer you are using faulty logic again, kiddo. not knowing the distance doesn't preclude a rational assessement that is wasn't 25 inches, by summary evaluation via common sense. i don't need to know the precise distance between cincinnati and atlanta to know that it isn't 12 miles. and bob didn't do a damn thing. LOL. MYERS DID IT ALL. the presentation was myers'. did you not notice the point of the video??? myers conveniently changes the depiction. pay attention, kiddo.
@slyjokerg A "rational" assessment? From what? A video? Besides doing what he accuses Myers of doing - extending the "longer" distance to establish a lower trajectory (and therefore, say, a DalTex shooter), Bob - and you - make the amateur error of not accounted for the everyday distortions seen in a video with a moving point of view, plus drawing lines when photogrammetry must be employed.
@1239jer Correct. Everything of the scene has to be in 3D and the positioning of the limo on the road and occupants in the limo has to be exactly correct.
However, just from looking at the distance between JFK and Connely in the photos from 11/22/63, it's clear that Myers HAS shortened that distance. Why? An unbelievably amateurish error - or is Myers just another 'shill' promoting the establishment cause?
@slyjokerg Clearly, from what you have posted here, and what Bob has done, shows neither of you have a clue about 3D models in 2D videos, nor the sort of visual distortions inherent there. NOTHING has "changed," it's merely the distortions inherent in the depiction.(!)
As for the 25 inches, there is a precise measurement of the limo interior HSCA App VI p50 which indicates 29.0 inches back of JFK seat to back of Conn seat. If you have other info, let's see it.
@1239jer You only have to look at the photos of the limo from 11/22/63. Myers distance between JFK and Connely is clearly too short. Bob Harris is right. Myers reduced the distance to make the single bullet 'fit'
@funkmasterjee The HSCA has a schematic of the limo, and the distance from the rear of Kennedy's seat to the front side of Connally's seat is 29.00 inches. The WC has it as 2' 5", indentical. If we subtract the thickness of JFK's chest and account for his slight slouch, we are talking somewhere around 25 inches from exit to entry.
I've asked the same question before - if these numbers are not correct, then what are the correct numbers?
@1239jer Well if what you say is correct then I stand corrected, but in the photos of the day (11/22/63) the distance between the two seats does look further than that. The overall length of the Lincoln is well known - absolute proof would be to compare the seating distance in a side photo to the overall length of vehicle (or just some known length from one part of vehicle to another)
@funkmasterjee Yes, you have it exactly backwards. Bob has extended the distance to flatten his trajectory AND he does the rookie mistake of measuring off a screen to make his erroneous conclusions about Myers' video. Further, while he among others cry "censorship" as Myers has banned the use of his material, Harris has banned ME for pointing out some errors in his analysis. I am blocked from comments on his videos. So, who's interested in the truth here?
As for Bob's comments, there are some slight problems. For one, in noting the HSCA reconstruction, he fails to note that they said the bullet struck at Z190, while Myers says Z223, a significant difference. Then, the distance between JFK and Connally. Bob offers nothing but a wave of the hand saying there is "no way" they were seated that close. Sorry, Bob. They were. I notice you avoid showing the pertinent Z frames. The distance was 25.5 in., which looks right in Myers' film.
"Censorship"? I note that on this page, several comments directly related to the contentions here, but supporting the SBT, have been labeled "spam," and I, when attempting to discuss some related issues on another poster's videos (one who complained about Myers' "cesnsorship") chose to BLOCK any more comments from me. So, I hope the poster here won't started blocking me as Neil Crouse has done, or otherwise label my comments as "spam..."
Dale Myers may have "explained" the single bullet but I wish someone asked him how does he explain the bullet being in almost excellent condition after passing through both men? I think he will find that very difficult! See these type of programmes only ever prove the lone gunman theory at the basic level. They never explain things such as why the bullet was in such good condiiton, they never show why the Parkland doctors were wrong, why the autopsy was not thorough., etc...
if the bullet doesn't hit any bone, just tissues, it can have very little damage. it's passed through the throat. no bone. it still had a lot power to go through connally. if there is no bone to damage it or stop it, then it is very plausible.
the bullet hit the govenor's wrist, that's probably the most bone the bullet hit. I've hunted and do a lot of shooting. crazy things happen to bullets when they enter a body or torso that consists of flesh and bone.
The thing thats not fake is Kennedy and Connally were hit at the exact same time by the second shot, Kennedys head goes forward first, then back on the final shot. Dale Myers has no reason to fake anything, there is NO money in lies, only in truths.
It just cracks me up that Harris claims that the distance between the two men should be doubled and yet provides no measurements to back his claim up. It is also funny that a conspiracy theorist like him all of a sudden cites "precise measurement by the government" to back up his claim.
Connally was 1.5 inches taller than Kennedy, stop the video at 2:57 and look how much larger JFK is than Connally. This is laughable. Subtle changes to the end point of the shots makes a HUGE difference as to where the starting points of the shots are.
The way he decides to move Connallys jumpseat 6 inches inboard of the door is the only way he can line up a shot from the 6th floor. The jumpseat was actually 2.5 inches inboard of the door. Easily verifiable by looking at the schematics done for the W/C and later the HSCA, they both CLEARLY show the jumpseat as being 2.5 inches inboard, not 6 like myers claims
the lee harvey oswald/patsy story and the triangulated fire in deeley plaza story are both part of the same plan, none of them fired fatal shot, the fact that LHO,s position,dodgy scope on rifle and negative parrafin test was purposely done to point people in the direction of the triangulated fire nonsense they have sold us ever since , no pro marksmen would have chose those positions apart from where LHO was suppose to be but they would have shot at target approaching the TSBD
Do this yourself: This is a cut and paste right from the Myers wireframe animation.
While the vertical angle is not precise, this still shows that "50%" [3:18] is way out there. Matching the horizontal distances from 2:48 reveals a second exaggeration. These are devastating to the credibility of future objective investigations; please knock it off.
Photo #2, 7th floor, directly above the government’s 6th floor sniper nest. The tree would have hindered the field of view more so on the 6th floor.
It is illegal to see out of the 6th floor window. The reason? You would notice the shot paths. So, look out the 7th floor window. (Remember, the limo is MOVING 15mph, according to officials).
“X” on the street is the 3rd shot; the head shot. So the 2nd shot on the MOVING limo must be in the tree.
What about the missed 1st shot on the MOVING limo? That 1st shot hit the curb by the distant bridge, and ricocheted a piece of it to the cheek of James Teague, standing next to that distant bridge.
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Did you notice the extremely large angle from that 1st shot that hit next to the bridge, and to where it should have gone, below to the MOVING limo?
With plenty of time following the limo through the scope, not even a blind dog can miss the limo that much with the 1st shot.
@TheHughes56 You are absolutely correct. The 1st shot will be the best shot. Plenty of time. Not any hurry-up after shots.
The problem with the 1st shot is getting it between the limbs & twigs of the Live Oak tree. This is why the govt. lies are never to be believed. NO sniper would shoot between obstacles. The best shot was on Houston St. Coming at you - no obstructions.
Oswald never shot anyone that day. Not even the cop. Hoover lied about everything. He manufactured the "evidence".
Spot on. I just noticed this after making a similar video about the anatomical shenenigans Myers gets up to with K's back. He fundamentally alters K's back (& lowers C's torso by stretching his neck) in the segment when he traces the bullet to the snipers nest. I also think, from looking at stills, that the 6in sideways move is way more than it should be. So Myers has moved C too far left, jammed him up too close, stretched K's back, & lowered C's torso - GIGO on a grand scale.
The FBI tested the shirt collar: no metallic traces. The back of the shirt? Metallic traces.
Further, the tie was nicked by a scapel not a bullet, as doctors and nurses so stated.
Finally, the damage in the front of the shirt is consistent with being cut by a scapel not shot through by a bullet. They are not the same length and do not line up when the shirt is buttoned. They are slits not holes.
On the basis of this official evidence Myers' recreation is a phony.
Very interesting video. I had seen the Myers reconstruction previously and had not noticed the difference in body placement. Wonder if Myers has had any kind of reaction (meaning verbal, not demanding that youtube take the video down) or tried to contact Bob?
I didn't need Dale Meyers to tell me that critics of the single bullet theory are the ones who misrepresent the positions of Connally and Kennedy, I had noticed it already. He is absolutely right about the alignment of them at Z222-z225 and their simultaneous reactions that are quite readily apparent. Whatever might be wrong about some part of his illustration, his points in favor of a single bullet are correct.
The problem that conspiracy theorists have with a single shooter is that a complete loser killed the President of the USA, and it couldn't possibly be that simple. Your video is silly.
bullets change direction after hitting a target, when the bullet entered Kennedy it is most likely that it went slightly off course in the body en then came out. Just like how light beams break through a window. I don't see either Myers nor Harris taking this into consideration.
Ballistics experts will tell you bullets that enter and exit a body can be deflected by tissue and or bone. So, trying to determine such precise bullet path accuracy based on perfectly straight lines is overkill. I commend Mr Myers for his work and find it acceptible, even allowing for the margins of error.
This seems like an intelligent post but actually makes no sense. He's not arguing in the video about what happens AFTER the bullet enters a body. He's talking strictly about the placement of entrance wounds which is NOT subject to "deflection" of any kind. If the angle says Kennedy MUST have been hit in the throat but Mr. Myers has to fudge the angle to get to that and engaging in sleight of hand then he's a con-artist plain and simple.
Huh? What I am trying to state is a bullet does not always pass through a body in a straight line, it can be deflected on entry and cut, say, an arched path through the body So expecting the path from the gun through two bodies to form a perfect, straight line is ridiculous. I believe Myer's study lends credit to the SBT -add in the mass of evidence against Oswald and I'm satisfied.
Totally understand the point Brian and agree with Myers. Bob you dont seem to give your take on the subject, where did the magic bullet go ? Why was Connally's wound of entry (back) shaped elongated 1.25in x .25 in
Where did the Connally round go ?
If CE399 was planted why would they plant a round in such good condition ?
What if the other rounds were still in Kennedy and Connally and now they plant another round ? Oops . The same arguments are worn out here.
Ah yes, I'm going to believe some guy sitting around in his underwear with a ruler and a TV screen over a professional animator whose animation was verified by a legal animation firm (Z-Axis). As for the relative position of the men, why don't you at least do a simple Google search for the dimensions of the limo - it's right there and guess what - there ain't no leg room genius.
Oh here we go. It's the old "wrong by underwear" argument. What this fool doesn't understand is that con-artists don't usually wear underwear they usually have firms whose opinions they purchase. Anybody can clearly see the logic in this video, it's pretty basic and hard to refute. Dale Myers "points out" that Connally is shifted to the left but never substantiates it. It's just his "wish". If you look closely at the Z film you'll notice it just isn't true.
The shots that went through JFKs back have no real importance. The shot that took half his skull off is. Does Meyers' animation explain the impossible physics involved with a shot to the head from behind JFK?
gOOD POINT, BUT WE WANT THE TRUTH THE WHOLE TRUTH And nothing but the truth. People like Myers dont want to face the truth of our Government being ran by psychopaths who kill popular leaders and implode buildings killing American Citizens. Sadam Husein has nothing on these monsters. Also Myers has the same reaction as our govt.: silence the truth.
Bob, computer animation has exposed all of the conspiracy theories, can you please explain why both men react at the same exact precise time?, once the bullet hit kennedy it started to tumble, explaining the ragged hole in the connallys chest, your analogy is based on the bullet going straight all the way from the snipers nest when the facts show once if left kennedys neck is tumbled.
I firmly believe that one bullet passed through both victims but it absolutely did not come from the alleged sniper's nest.
Look at my new video and I think you will see what I mean. This is much different than anything you have probably seen before. Mainly because it is right.
Ah Harris. Your advanced degree in mathematics (not that one is needed...) is from where? MIT or CalTech? Jesus, did you even pass eighth-grade geometry?
Myers also mentions the jacket of Gov Connally bulges at the moment Kennedy is hiit, reinforcing the SBT. Thoughts?
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peyotecactus 1 month ago
The bottom line that Myers leaves out is the fact that more than three shots were fired. He tries to convince us through computer animation like NIST shows us the WTC pancake theory. Proof through computer animation is a tactic the conspirators use frequently. THE bin Laden compound raid is the latest.
peyotecactus 1 month ago
Thank you Bob! I was just looking for something like that since the DM explanation didn´t seem correct to me. I´m still wondering what happened with the Discovery Channel :(
Vaninasanta 1 month ago
...the sign is visible in numerous other films/photos AND is in the same position when the WC reconstructed the scene, we KNOW that the positioning of the limo was not moved. His inane observations of figures moving legs too fast for 1/18th of a frame ignores is easily explained - motion blur makes the figures indistinct for some frames!
Further, and this has been confirmed by numerous reconstructions, the Zapruder film MATCHES the other films and photos taken that day. This guy has NO CLUE.
1239jer 2 months ago 2
The Zapruder "anomolies." I watched the video in question and its level of "analysis" is laughable. Numerous howlers there, like suggesting that the position of the motorcade was altered by compositing. He bases this on stuff like figures seen not facing the motorcade. But he leaves out a rather massive problem - the perspective would no longer match! And, since we see light poles which we know were there AND the sign which he bizarrely claims wasn't...
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@1239jer ' Such as the fact that Arnold Rowland gave repeated accounts initially- one which he signed - which said nothing about a 2nd man '
Don't be naive. People change their story under psychological pressure and can be made to question what they in fact KNOW they saw
What he said is corroborated by the photographic evidence of a second person at the west end of the 6th floor of the TSBD
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funkmasterjee 2 months ago
The problem with so much of this subject is some people will believe ANYTHING. Take Norman Similas who took a photo which the Toronto Telegram lost. Turns out when the RCMP interviewed the photo editor, they said Similas sure BELIEVED he saw something, but the editors saw nothing, but took the negative nevertheless as he was so excited about it.
Why should we believe the Telegram? Because this would have been the scoop of the century if a photo of the assassin was there, that's why.
1239jer 2 months ago
Still on my iPhone. On FBI "pressure" on Rowland. There are several reasons to doubt that. First, he met the FBI on 22 and 23 Nov. Yet Walther, who described two men 5 Dec, told this to.... the FBI. Why would they not pressure her, but pressure him? Especially at that later date when they'd presumably know the "correct" scenario?
Further, Rowland told the same story -1, not 2 men - FOUR different times 22 nov, Dallas police, Sorrels. And his own wife testified he never said anything then about
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer I refer you to the interview on youtube where Rowland states he saw TWO men on the 6th floor of the book depository.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee Rowland. There is no dispute that Rowland claims 2 men on the 6th floor. However, he never mentioned a second man until his WC testimony. On 4 or 5 occasions Nov 22, 23 he gave testimony to Dallas police, Secret Service, FBI. HE NEVER MENTIONED A 2ND MAN. Are you suggesting they ALL intimidated him into changing his story? And you say I am naive? Wow. Further, his wife said until his WC testimony HE NEVER MENTIONED A 2ND MAN. This is a case of embellishment.
1239jer 2 months ago
The Toronto Telegram. I knew people who worked for that paper, one of my city's leading papers in its day (folded in 1971.) I can GAURENTEE that any such photo would be published, if it showed what it was purported to show. Further, not sure why a Canadian paper would feel pressured not to publish a photo like this. I know the two words an editor would say if the FBI called.
1239jer 2 months ago
Like I said, I'm on my iPhone at the moment. But you have posted so far is the usual stuff from the conspiracy crowd. Like the Mauser stuff. Trouble is, the rifle was photographed in situ, and its recovery filmed. It was a Carcano. Tippit? The bullets could not be matched as they were the wrong calibre. But the shells were matched, and something like 9 witnesses either saw Oswald shoot or flee the scene. That would settle it in most cases, but the conspiracy crowd tries to explain away inconven
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer watch the recovery of the MC rifle film AGAIN . I don't know which one you're watching but in the one I have seen you will see in a few frames ANOTHER rifle. Tippet: If they were the wrong calibre the gun would malfunction. More than one witness gave descriptions not do not match with Oswald. Others were not sure
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee Rifle. The Dallas cops who said "Mauser" ALL said that it was the rifle we see recovered, not a second rifle placed there. The cameraman was there during the recovery, if these police claim it was in fact a Mauser, then why did they not say anything about a switch which clearly had to have happened? BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SWITCH. Another example of silly conspiracy arguments.
1239jer 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee Tippet. The slugs were from a larger-calibre weapon. Why do we know this? Because the barrel markings were indistinct (though one expert matched one slug to Oswald's gun). The slugs HAD to have come from a larger-calibre weapon. NINE witnesses positively identified Oswald as the man who shot Tippet or fled the scene. Another example of conspiracy theorists incapable of accepting clear, positive evidence. Even if we discount Markham, we still have 8 others. Next.
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer I'm not referencing ANY conspiracy authors. I am referencing the words that came out of Rowland's mouth, not some signature questionably obtained under duress or coercion.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@1239jer ' one which he signed - which said nothing about a 2nd man ' - have you ever heard of pressure from FBI interviewers ? Please don't be naive.
The interview on Houston street is there to watch. Search - ' JFK assassination witness Arnold Rowland describes seeing a gunman at a different window '
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
The problem with the stopped limo claim is that there were some 4 or 5 films, none show the limo stop.... WC never said LHO took bus home, he left bus, landlady saw, took cab, LHO admitted this.... Cartridges matched to tippit gun, something like 9 witnesses saw Oswald shoot or flee. Etc. most of the conspiracy claims require virtually the entire city of Dallas to be in on the conspiracy..
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer The bullets taken from Tippit's body could not be positively identified as coming from Oswald's revolver. ...the markings on a bullet are like a fingerprint. No match means Oswald did not do it. The descriptions from some witnesses did not match Oswald.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee Bullets from Tippit. Not sure where you get this stuff, but as I stated, the bullets were too small for the gun - so the barrel markings could not be matched because they were indistinct. So we know that the bullets were fired by a larger-calibre weapon, which Oswald's gun was. Witnesses? NINE positive identifications. I hope you are not relying on Mark Lane's fraudulent treatment of Markham's testimony.
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer If you have examined ' JFK's revenge part 1- the Zapruder film was altered ' you would see that there a several anomalies with the Zapruder film which cannot be attributed to anything except editing. The cartridges found at the Tippet shooting could NOT be matched with Oswald's revolver. They were incompatible with ANY revolver.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee Zapruder. Clear and total bullshit. The "anomolies" are figments of the imagination. Further, the sort of alterations said to have been done would have EASILY been detected. The inanity of some of these arguments is breathtaking.
The cartridges were matched to the revolver to the exclusion of every weapon on the planet. You are entitled to your own opinion, funkmaster, you are not entitled to your own facts.
1239jer 2 months ago
CE 399 was not "pristine," it was flattened, entirely consistent with a tumbling bullet striking near sideways after passing thru JFK. By time bullet travelling thru wrist, travelling too slow to shatter, lead found there could only come from base - 399 had lead extruding. Fragments matched to 399.
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer CE399 was discovered by hospital engineer Darrell C. Tomlinson on one of two gurneys on the ground floor of the hospital. Although Tomlinson testified to the Warren Commission in 1964 that he was not sure on whose gurney he found the bullet, He has gone on record independent of the Warren Report, stating that he found the bullet on the gurney NEXT to the one that transported Connally to an operating room table on the second floor of the hospital.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee The issue of which gurney it was on is a complete non-issue. That's because the bullet can be traced to the rifle. Are you saying instead that it came from the boy on the other stretcher? Or maybe someone saw it on the floor and put it on the gurney as, that day, there were bigger fish to fry.
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer A virtually pristine (very slightly flattened) bullet after smashing through 5 inches of rib, and a wrist bone ?
No, I don't think so
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee CE 399. "Virtually" pristine? That's like saying "virtually" pregnant. It is not easy to flatten a bullet like the CE 399. Unless it is tumbling and, say, hits bones - like ribs - sideways. As what is claimed. And now, slowed down so it can't shatter, and entering base first, it shatters the wrist and leaves lead FROM THE BASE OF THE BULLET. CE 399 and the injuries, IOW, are CONSISTENT with what is claimed to have happened.
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer three of the seven members of the Warren Commission, Sen. Richard Russell, Rep. Hale Boggs, and Sen. John Cooper, have stated that they did not support the single bullet theory because it did not fit the evidence. Yes, four did. But it shows the opinion was very divided
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@1239jer Besides breaking his right radius wrist bone at its widest point the slightly flattened single bullet is supposed to have completely destroyed 127 millimeters (5 in) of Connally's fifth right rib bone as it smashed through his chest interior at a documented 10-degree anatomically downward angle. The only way you'll get a bullet like CE399 is by it tumbling through gel. Not smashing into bone
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee Ribs. The WC concluded that the bullet was tumbling, which explains a) the ovoid entry wound in Connally and b) the flattened nature of the bullet. It is the FLATTENING which is evidence for it striking the ribs broadside. Then, entering backwards into the wrist, too slow to now be shattered, the bullet nevertheless left lead which had come from its base.
The wound evidence IOW, is entirely consitent with a bullet which passed through JFK and was tumbling into J
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer Dr. Erik Randich and Dr. Patrick M Grant:
Dr. Randich is a metallurgist with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. Dr. Grant, a chemist, is the director of the Lawrence Livermore Forensic Science Center.
They concluded:
Quote " there is no justification for concluding that two, and only two, bullets were represented by the evidence. Nor is there justification for concluding that three, four or five bullets were MORE OR LESS likely than two bullets "
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee Randich and Grant. The problem with their analysis is they approached this as if we are talking about bullets manufactured currently. But these bullets were made 50 years ago, and the particular batch were not homogeneous in terms of their antimony, which what the tests relied upon.
We would, IOW, expect distinct levels of antimony in different bullets from that particular batch of WCC. We see only two groups however, suggesting only two bullets.
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer Right, so you know better than the director of the Lawrence Livermore Lab's Forensic Science centre and the Lawrence Livermore Lab's metallurgist ???
I think it would be difficult to find two people better qualified, - yet you are a metallurgical expert of even higher regard?
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
Randich and Grant's study grew out of work Randich did in 2002 that exposed a fatal flaw in the FBI's use of bullet-lead evidence to connect suspects with crime scenes in thousands of criminal cases during the past three decades.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee The "fatal flaw" is the presumed heterogeniety of individual bullets, an analysis which in fact negates the utility of the NAA now - why? Because manufacturing methods mean modern bullets are indistinguishable from one another in a batch owing to the uniformity of their creation.
But we are talking about what we'd expect - and what the heterogeniety was - of bullets made 50 years ago.
1239jer 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee Dr Vincent Guinn testified to the HSCA that THOSE bullets - the WCC batch WERE distinguishable owing to the non-uniformity of the antimony used in their manufacture. He - and others - found ranges of antimony within a single bullet which differed from other bullets in the same batch and were characteristic.
He and Rahn, Sturdivan later deemed it highly unlikely that a 3rd bullet (or 4th) would coincidentally match in terms of antimony levels.
1239jer 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee Sturdivan responded to the Randich/Grant study by saying they ignored what bullets we'd expect from the early 1960s, basing their conclusions in part on the modern reality which discounts NAA.
It should be noted that the NAA analysis is CONSISTENT with the SBT, the best counter-argument is suggesting (as R&G did) that it is POSSIBLE other bullets are represented, though Sturdivan says this is wildly IMPROBABLE.
1239jer 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee "Right, so you know better than the director of the Lawrence Livermore Lab's Forensic Science centre and the Lawrence Livermore Lab's metallurgist ???"
Uh, you know better than all the ballistics experts, photographic experts and forensic experts who conclude the Zapruder film is unaltered, the bullets were fired from the revolver and CE 399 did the damage it did? Give me a break, funkmaster.
1239jer 2 months ago
Zapruder film. The limo never stopped and the film was not altered. We know this because the other films show the same thing- the limo never stopped. The "anomalies" aren't there and the changes claimed would have been easy detected. One "anomaly" is Franzens 360-7. But wife is simply stepping from curb. Frames viewed stereo also wld indicate changes. None there.
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer There are plenty of anomalies with the Zapruder film. I have already detailed them. Once again - many witnesses stated that the limo stopped or virtually stopped
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@1239jer "The limo never stopped". It sure did according to many witnesses who testified that it stopped for several seconds - including the Mayor's wife.
TheLensSolution 2 months ago
@TheLensSolution "stopped limo." The Zapruder film, as well as the Nix, Muchmore and Bronson films, which all show the fatal shot, also show that the limo never stopped.
1239jer 2 months ago
This is missing the point. The WC concluded that a PRISTINE undamaged bullet was recovered from Connely's stretcher. A bullet that goes through two people, beaking bone along the way is never pristine. All lab tests reaffirm that
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@funkmasterjee "The WC concluded that a PRISTINE undamaged bullet was recovered from Connely's stretcher." The bullet was NOT "pristine" and the WC never described it as such. Far from it. More nonsense from the conspiracy crowd. It was flattened laterally. And the only way that could happen if it struck something solid - like ribs - as it was tumbling.
1239jer 2 months ago
Carolyn Walther. Said 4th or 5th floor, "positive" not 6th. But with pal Pearl Springer who saw no one gunman and said Walther said nothing about what she supposedly saw after the assassination. She probably saw Harold Norman of TSBD leaning out window, later embellished story.
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@1239jer Carolyn Walther merely got the floor wrong. She said she positively saw two men WITH GUNS. I invite you to watch the interview with her on youtube - ' JFK assassination witness Carolyn Walther describes seeing 2 different gunmen ' The DPD and secret service had NO personnel in the TSBD. Two gunmen = conspiracy
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
Arnold Rowland. Roger Craig told HSCA Arnold saw 2 men. But Craig's reports 11/23 make no mention of this. CL Lewis report 11/23 says Arnold saw 1, not 2. FM Turner report says 1, not 2. Forrest Sorrels said Arnold told him 1 man, standing "port arms"(!) In sheriff office, notarized report signed by Arnold says 1 man. To WC, described 1 man with new man there. News to wife who testified otherwise.
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer have a look at ' JFK assassination witness Arnold Rowland describes seeing a gunman at a different window ' on youtube. It's a brief interview with Arnold Rowland (probably 1968 - 1970 era). He in so many words says - man with high powered scoped rifle at OTHER end (western end) of TSBD.
Totally contradicts what you said. I was right.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
Scottthefish: sorry, misunderstood what you were saying. Flakes remained in Connally, small fragments were recovered. These were matched via NAA tests to CE 399. CE 399 weighed 158.6 grains, intact these bullets were around 161 gn. 4 fragments from the wrist were recovered, the largest was 0.3 gn. So the total weight was less than 1 bullet
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer I cannot go weigh these, but the pieces photographed in the petri dishes look a LOT bigger than .03 grains. There are radio-logic traces in both men still. NAA tests can only connect fragments to a batch of bullets, not a specific bullet. This trajectory still does not explain the bullet hole in the mid-line of JFK's neck, just below the adams apple.
Scottthefish 2 months ago
@Scottthefish That's the opinion of the experts interviewed by the HSCA in terms of the weight of the pieces. Those traces are mere flakes.
"NAA tests can only connect fragments to a batch of bullets." That's true now, but it's not true of the bullets we are talking about made circa 1960, in particular the WCC bullets. Antimony levels were found to be significantly different bullet-to-bullet within a batch, but within a narrow range within a bullet.
1239jer 2 months ago
It definitely could have been one shot from Oswald, but that doesn't explain why there are more bullet fragments in Conally's wounds than are missing from exhibit 399, or the bullet hole in the windshield.
Scottthefish 2 months ago
@Scottthefish Fragments from the wrist were matched to 399 via NAA analysis. And what remains were mere flakes. The "bullet hole" was from a fragment, and it hit the INTERIOR of the limo.
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer There are archive photos of the fragments removed from Conally's wrist wound and they are not flakes, they are more than what 399 is missing. They actually look more like chunks of lead from the bottom. I believe in the single bullet theory, and I have always thought the head shot was from Oswald as well, but there is no way that 399 did all that damage. What it means I am not sure.
Scottthefish 2 months ago
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@1239jer The wrist fragments matching to CE399 has been contradicted by Dr. Erik Randich ( a metallurgist with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory) and Dr. Patrick M Grant, ( director of the Lawrence Livermore Forensic Science Center ) It is possible the fragments are from CE 399 but far from proven to be a certainty
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
Where did the Kennedy throat bullet go???? NO PLACE to go other than Connally or the back of the seat.
optobob 2 months ago
@optobob If you accept what Bob Harris is saying about the correct seat positioning and the distance between JFK and Connely, AND you pre-suppose that one bullet went through BOTH of them, then you have to accept that the trajectory was much lower (10 degrees) and came from .....the Daltex building. No way could it have come from the TSBD AND gone through both of them
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
How do you upload videos w/ a straight jacket on?
frankdrebin 3 months ago
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I have never believed in that magic bullet story...
Thanks for sharing this ;)
no288 3 months ago
Absolutely silly. A bullet passes through 4 things without a bit of deflection and seemingly hitting all 4 things simultaneously. Kennedy takes a bullet through his trapezius muscle yet is immediately able to flex it and hold his shoulders upward for 5 solid seconds. And Connely who supposedly heard a bullet coming from behind him is intently scanning the grassy knoll (as is Kennedy) just before being hit and recoiling backwards (as did Kennedy). Sure!
Myers is a fraud and his lies obvious..
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mister myers also conveniently neglects to address killshot. that obviously came kennedy's left front side keep up the good work!
Bob Reyna mcallen tx
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BOB2932 5 months ago
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These Evil LBJ statements WE believe refers to the murder of JFK
"It is the Melancholy law of human societies to be compeled sometimes to chose a great evil in order to ward off a greater evil"
YOU want to see a guilty MAN? check this out , = LBJ coments on JFK assasination 1969.wmv
LBJ Evil joke about JFK
"I told? him that morning at breakfast...Son, I'm afraid this just ant' your day. Your going to the morgue and I'm going back to the White House"
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cruisersism 5 months ago
Funny thing is, after 48 years, with the help of science and forensic study, we have proven more and more that Oswald acted alone, Unfortunately, those 48 years have done zero, nil, hogwash, nada for any evidence that it wasn't Oswald.
billyballs68 6 months ago
@billyballs68 actually, no. it hasn't been proven any more that "oswald did it." not knowing who did, or being able to prove it even if it was practically known, is not evidence that he did do it. under that thinking, not being able to prove elvis didn't do it would mean that he did. magic bullet claims have been debunked a zillion times, and evidence even came out in recent years that showed conclusions about the forensics of the ammo were bogus.
slyjokerg 6 months ago
@slyjokerg Please provide me with a list of 5-10 actual pieces of evidence that prove a conspiracy, now keep in mind 'm not asking for a list of 5-10 questions, that is the standard tactic of Conspiracy kooks, to ask questions, I'll wait for your list of evidence.
billyballs68 6 months ago
@billyballs68 I will provide you billyballs :o)
1. Arnold and Barbara Rowland :
From the street Arnold Rowland saw two men on the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository minutes before the assassination. One at the western window was carrying a gun. The other man at the eastern window (the so called 'sniper's nest') was a dark complected man. The FBI wrote nothing about this and the Warren commission said he was mistaken.
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@billyballs68 2. Carolyn Walther :
From the street Carolyn Walther saw two men on one of the upper floors of the Texas School Book Depository minutes before the assassination. She heard one shot, then two almost simultaneously, then a fourth shot. She was never called as a witness by the Warren commission.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@billyballs68 3. John Powell :
John Powell was an inmate on the 6th floor of the Dallas county jail, staright across the street from the book depository. He and some of his inmates saw two dark complected men in the southeast corner ('sniper's nest') of the book depository. Non of them were called to testify before the Warren commission.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@billyballs68 4. The zapruder film was deliberately altered to hide the fact that the limo stopped and quite possibly to hide the presence of a second almost simultaneous head shot. Examination of the film reveals that the area above the limo has been re-scaled and re-timed. There is fringing around the lamp post, persons on the south side of elm st. look too large, the drivers head snaps around in less than 1/18th of a sec (frames missing) and more..look for yourself !
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee The Zap film's various copies are identical. Therefore, any alteration had to happen the day of. However, the film is entirely consistent with the other photos and films taken that day. This issue has been examined by film experts (not on-line amateurs) and no alteration was detected. For one, how would one do it, given the images on the sprocket holes? An optical printer would not be able to reproduce that. Technically, it's too hard to do, especially in hours.
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer Then explain to me the discrepancies in the film. They speak for themselves. The evidence is there in the film if you examine it. the only explaination is that one of the three copies was edited, duplicated and the originals destroyed. I don't know. But take a look at the oddities in the film (I will list them separately if you like) and then come back to me once you have looked and tell me they look normal. You won't be able to.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@billyballs68 5. Norman Similas :
Norman Similas took pictures with the TSBD in the background. One showed two men in the 6th floor window with a gun. He sent the negative to the Toronto Telegram. When it was not used in the paper, he asked them to return it. He recieved a cheque but the negative was missing. The paper said it had 'disappeared'. The picture has never been published.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee Why would the Toronto Telegram not publish the scoop of the century? Probably because there was no there there. Next.
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer The Toronto telegram never denied being sent the negatives. Maybe there was no way to verify the exact time the photo was taken therefore they didn't want to commit to publishing? If there was no-one there as you put it - why conveniently 'lose' the negs ? Why not just post them back?. Suspicious
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
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funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@billyballs68
4. Multiple witnesses heard a shot from the picket fence area and one man saw a gun being dismantled and passed to another man who then hid it.
5. The cartridge cases found at the scene of Tippets shooting are incompatible with Oswald's revolver (in fact ANY revolver). Oswald DID NOT do it.
6. The zapruder film has been edited to hide the fact that the limo stopped and the existence of a second head shot. (I can list the anomalies if you like)
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee Picket fence. Deally Plaze is an echo chamber. We know bullets were fired from the TSBD. Many witnesses heard that and some saw a gunman fire. If there was a gunman at the knoll, then why do virtually NO witnesses say they heard gunfire from TWO directions?
Cartridges were matched to the revolver to the exclusion of every firearm on the planet. Not sure where you are getting your information, but you are repeating a lot of very old b.s. which has been debunked.
1239jer 2 months ago
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@billyballs68 @billyballs68 I like you - You're funny. XD
1. In at least one still photograph a second person is visible on the 6th floor of the TSBD at time of shooting.(also verified by at least one witness)
2. Mauser rifle (NOT carcanno) found on the 6th floor of the TSBD (verified by signed affidavit by a gun expert)
3. No one could identify Oswald as having travelled back home by bus despite what the W.C said
3b Oswald's palm print only 'found' on MC rifle after his death (planted?)
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
Oswald left an abundant trail of incriminating evidence. An assassin, intelligent enough in preparing a »plant« that he even did not know the motorcade route in advance, would not be so careless as to carry incriminating documents in his wallet or leave photographs of himself holding the murder rifle where the police could easily find them.
billyballs68 6 months ago
@billyballs68 actually oswald didn't leave much of a trail of incriminating evidence at all, if any. first, your claim that he did presupposes THAT he did. it presumes a conclusion. you are beginning with a fallacious mindset. nothing in his wallet remotely proved he shot kennedy. no picture of him holding any gun proves that he shot kennedy. you are taking things that aren't evidentiary and saying they prove your case. you are starting with a conclusion you wish to assert as true.
slyjokerg 6 months ago
Both men are hit by the same bullet, at the same time, period.
billyballs68 6 months ago
@billyballs68 it is impossible for both men to be hit by the same bullet AT THE SAME TIME. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. people crack me up. do you think they are the same being? is this some sort of religious thing, where john connally and JFK are one and the same, like some sort of holy trinity concept? LMAO. even if the magic bullet was/is true, FIRST kennedy is struck.. THEN connally is. they can't be struck at the same time, dumbass.
slyjokerg 6 months ago
@billyballs68 The bullet found on the stretcher was a plant. No bullet fired through two animal (or human) cadavers, striking bone on the way comes out pristine. It's pure bullshit. No one has ever been able to replicate it. Further evidence of conspiracy.
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
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Gee, sly, you spent an entire post avoiding a simple, direct question: how far apart were JFK and Connally? If they were "too close" in Myers video, let us know the actual distance! And "more than 25 inches" is a cop-out answer.
1239jer 6 months ago
If not through Myers, I wouldn't have learned that JFK and Connolly weren't seated on the same plan and same distance from the car axis.
061369317 8 months ago
I agree with myers...
Com6in3d 8 months ago
Then, strangely, Bob points out an obvious jump-cut, and undermines his own contention. The trajectory "works," he says, in the wire-frame animation. But in what he terms the "correct" position with the full animation, it doesn't work. Well, duh. That's because they are too far apart. Bob is in fact guilty of what he accuses Myers of doing - moving the two apart to "prove" a trajectory. If not 25.5 ", then how far did the bullet travel between the two? Is not that the question?
1239jer 8 months ago
@1239 holy hell you are thick. harris didn't move them FALSELY apart in an effort to make something fit. they WERE that far apart. he pointed out that in the wire frame production that myers did, the figures were misrepresented re: their distance apart. myers had to sit them far too closely together in order to make his depiction fit. that is why harris says that in that PHONY portrayal, it may work. BUT THAT ISN'T HOW THEY WERE SITTING. myers fabricated it to suit his predetermined goal.
slyjokerg 6 months ago
@slyjokerg The distance between the exit from JFK's throat to Connally's back was 25 inches. This has been determined via numerous recreations. Bob has his positioning wrong, simply put. JFK's knees were almost hitting Connally's back. This looks a bit exaggerated in the video but the distances are correct. Again, I ask the question, if not 25 inches, then what was the distance?
1239jer 6 months ago
@1239jer LMAO. watch this video again. you are denying simple, plain reality. in myers' bs production, he transparently misplaced the two men. they were NOT that close together. jfk was NOT right up against the back of connally's seat. you are looking at an apple, and calling it a jeep. "if not 25 inches..." ummmm, how's about... MORE THAN 25 inches? LMAO. quite obvious. you simply want to accept what he says, even when it has plainly been debunked.
slyjokerg 6 months ago
@slyjokerg You are so laughably wrong, I don;t know what to say. AGAIN, if not 25 inches, what was the distance? It's a simple question, why are you avoiding the answer? What Bob has done, I repeat, is move them FARTHER apart, which has the effect of flattening the descent and make it appear the shot appeared from a much lower elevation. However, he seems to be doing this based on some SCHEMATIC HSCA sketches which don't have the scales correct. So... how far apart were they?
1239jer 6 months ago
@1239jer you are using faulty logic again, kiddo. not knowing the distance doesn't preclude a rational assessement that is wasn't 25 inches, by summary evaluation via common sense. i don't need to know the precise distance between cincinnati and atlanta to know that it isn't 12 miles. and bob didn't do a damn thing. LOL. MYERS DID IT ALL. the presentation was myers'. did you not notice the point of the video??? myers conveniently changes the depiction. pay attention, kiddo.
slyjokerg 6 months ago
@slyjokerg A "rational" assessment? From what? A video? Besides doing what he accuses Myers of doing - extending the "longer" distance to establish a lower trajectory (and therefore, say, a DalTex shooter), Bob - and you - make the amateur error of not accounted for the everyday distortions seen in a video with a moving point of view, plus drawing lines when photogrammetry must be employed.
1239jer 6 months ago
@1239jer Correct. Everything of the scene has to be in 3D and the positioning of the limo on the road and occupants in the limo has to be exactly correct.
However, just from looking at the distance between JFK and Connely in the photos from 11/22/63, it's clear that Myers HAS shortened that distance. Why? An unbelievably amateurish error - or is Myers just another 'shill' promoting the establishment cause?
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@slyjokerg Clearly, from what you have posted here, and what Bob has done, shows neither of you have a clue about 3D models in 2D videos, nor the sort of visual distortions inherent there. NOTHING has "changed," it's merely the distortions inherent in the depiction.(!)
As for the 25 inches, there is a precise measurement of the limo interior HSCA App VI p50 which indicates 29.0 inches back of JFK seat to back of Conn seat. If you have other info, let's see it.
1239jer 6 months ago
@1239jer You only have to look at the photos of the limo from 11/22/63. Myers distance between JFK and Connely is clearly too short. Bob Harris is right. Myers reduced the distance to make the single bullet 'fit'
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee The HSCA has a schematic of the limo, and the distance from the rear of Kennedy's seat to the front side of Connally's seat is 29.00 inches. The WC has it as 2' 5", indentical. If we subtract the thickness of JFK's chest and account for his slight slouch, we are talking somewhere around 25 inches from exit to entry.
I've asked the same question before - if these numbers are not correct, then what are the correct numbers?
1239jer 2 months ago
@1239jer Well if what you say is correct then I stand corrected, but in the photos of the day (11/22/63) the distance between the two seats does look further than that. The overall length of the Lincoln is well known - absolute proof would be to compare the seating distance in a side photo to the overall length of vehicle (or just some known length from one part of vehicle to another)
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
@funkmasterjee Yes, you have it exactly backwards. Bob has extended the distance to flatten his trajectory AND he does the rookie mistake of measuring off a screen to make his erroneous conclusions about Myers' video. Further, while he among others cry "censorship" as Myers has banned the use of his material, Harris has banned ME for pointing out some errors in his analysis. I am blocked from comments on his videos. So, who's interested in the truth here?
1239jer 2 months ago
As for Bob's comments, there are some slight problems. For one, in noting the HSCA reconstruction, he fails to note that they said the bullet struck at Z190, while Myers says Z223, a significant difference. Then, the distance between JFK and Connally. Bob offers nothing but a wave of the hand saying there is "no way" they were seated that close. Sorry, Bob. They were. I notice you avoid showing the pertinent Z frames. The distance was 25.5 in., which looks right in Myers' film.
1239jer 8 months ago
"Censorship"? I note that on this page, several comments directly related to the contentions here, but supporting the SBT, have been labeled "spam," and I, when attempting to discuss some related issues on another poster's videos (one who complained about Myers' "cesnsorship") chose to BLOCK any more comments from me. So, I hope the poster here won't started blocking me as Neil Crouse has done, or otherwise label my comments as "spam..."
1239jer 8 months ago
I think i am correct in saying that Meyers appeared on tv many years ago claiming he could prove Oswald did not do the shooting.
jasperlong 1 year ago
@jasperlong Yes, interesting turnaround
funkmasterjee 2 months ago
Dale Myers may have "explained" the single bullet but I wish someone asked him how does he explain the bullet being in almost excellent condition after passing through both men? I think he will find that very difficult! See these type of programmes only ever prove the lone gunman theory at the basic level. They never explain things such as why the bullet was in such good condiiton, they never show why the Parkland doctors were wrong, why the autopsy was not thorough., etc...
bismuthcadmium 1 year ago
@bismuthcadmium
if the bullet doesn't hit any bone, just tissues, it can have very little damage. it's passed through the throat. no bone. it still had a lot power to go through connally. if there is no bone to damage it or stop it, then it is very plausible.
lnbadger320 11 months ago
@lnbadger320
The problem is that it did hit bone and more than once.
bismuthcadmium 11 months ago
@bismuthcadmium
the bullet hit the govenor's wrist, that's probably the most bone the bullet hit. I've hunted and do a lot of shooting. crazy things happen to bullets when they enter a body or torso that consists of flesh and bone.
lnbadger320 11 months ago
Didn't Myers win an Emmy for this? That Emmy should be given back!
bismuthcadmium 1 year ago
what about the sniper on the roof? Why don't they line him up?
nicenonya3 1 year ago
Bob Harris is a total nutcase.
IwshIcldstrtover 1 year ago
@IwshIcldstrtover So true.
billyballs68 6 months ago
Why dont you just go to the museum Bob and measure the actual Limo.
humanoid76 1 year ago
Billyballs is 100% correct.
shaboo2 1 year ago
The thing thats not fake is Kennedy and Connally were hit at the exact same time by the second shot, Kennedys head goes forward first, then back on the final shot. Dale Myers has no reason to fake anything, there is NO money in lies, only in truths.
billyballs68 1 year ago
@billyballs68
exactly, they were both hit by the same bullet. there is no conspiracy.
lnbadger320 11 months ago
It just cracks me up that Harris claims that the distance between the two men should be doubled and yet provides no measurements to back his claim up. It is also funny that a conspiracy theorist like him all of a sudden cites "precise measurement by the government" to back up his claim.
Single Bullet F-A-C-T
shaboo2 1 year ago
Connally was 1.5 inches taller than Kennedy, stop the video at 2:57 and look how much larger JFK is than Connally. This is laughable. Subtle changes to the end point of the shots makes a HUGE difference as to where the starting points of the shots are.
whatdidulearn 1 year ago
The way he decides to move Connallys jumpseat 6 inches inboard of the door is the only way he can line up a shot from the 6th floor. The jumpseat was actually 2.5 inches inboard of the door. Easily verifiable by looking at the schematics done for the W/C and later the HSCA, they both CLEARLY show the jumpseat as being 2.5 inches inboard, not 6 like myers claims
whatdidulearn 1 year ago
@mrjeppo You get it right !!!
Verdelufe 1 year ago
the lee harvey oswald/patsy story and the triangulated fire in deeley plaza story are both part of the same plan, none of them fired fatal shot, the fact that LHO,s position,dodgy scope on rifle and negative parrafin test was purposely done to point people in the direction of the triangulated fire nonsense they have sold us ever since , no pro marksmen would have chose those positions apart from where LHO was suppose to be but they would have shot at target approaching the TSBD
joiganja 1 year ago
Was the Sniper's Nest on the 5th floor or 6th floor of the Book Depository?
Simboiss 1 year ago
whoops!
AXELOPS 1 year ago
Just listening to Myers, he sounds like a bullshitter. Looks like a guy who'd gladly get paid too.
AXELOPS 1 year ago
Exaggerations are shameful.
See: watch?v=WQIEqNNVI-8
Do this yourself: This is a cut and paste right from the Myers wireframe animation.
While the vertical angle is not precise, this still shows that "50%" [3:18] is way out there. Matching the horizontal distances from 2:48 reveals a second exaggeration. These are devastating to the credibility of future objective investigations; please knock it off.
UniversityofSteve 1 year ago
Read title 17, Chapter 1, article 107 of U.S. copyright law if you want to protect the fair use aspects of the Dale Myers references.
sethmanrockandroll 1 year ago
Web search: JFK Dealey Photos.
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Photo #2, 7th floor, directly above the government’s 6th floor sniper nest. The tree would have hindered the field of view more so on the 6th floor.
It is illegal to see out of the 6th floor window. The reason? You would notice the shot paths. So, look out the 7th floor window. (Remember, the limo is MOVING 15mph, according to officials).
“X” on the street is the 3rd shot; the head shot. So the 2nd shot on the MOVING limo must be in the tree.
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10Faenor 1 year ago
(continued from above)
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What about the missed 1st shot on the MOVING limo? That 1st shot hit the curb by the distant bridge, and ricocheted a piece of it to the cheek of James Teague, standing next to that distant bridge.
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Did you notice the extremely large angle from that 1st shot that hit next to the bridge, and to where it should have gone, below to the MOVING limo?
With plenty of time following the limo through the scope, not even a blind dog can miss the limo that much with the 1st shot.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor The first shot would always be the best not the third. common sense.
TheHughes56 1 year ago
@TheHughes56 You are absolutely correct. The 1st shot will be the best shot. Plenty of time. Not any hurry-up after shots.
The problem with the 1st shot is getting it between the limbs & twigs of the Live Oak tree. This is why the govt. lies are never to be believed. NO sniper would shoot between obstacles. The best shot was on Houston St. Coming at you - no obstructions.
Oswald never shot anyone that day. Not even the cop. Hoover lied about everything. He manufactured the "evidence".
10Faenor 1 year ago
Thank you for DEBUNKING Dale Myers' clear intentional fabrication.
OneVoiceMore 1 year ago
Spot on. I just noticed this after making a similar video about the anatomical shenenigans Myers gets up to with K's back. He fundamentally alters K's back (& lowers C's torso by stretching his neck) in the segment when he traces the bullet to the snipers nest. I also think, from looking at stills, that the 6in sideways move is way more than it should be. So Myers has moved C too far left, jammed him up too close, stretched K's back, & lowered C's torso - GIGO on a grand scale.
kkkaldav 1 year ago
The FBI tested the shirt collar: no metallic traces. The back of the shirt? Metallic traces.
Further, the tie was nicked by a scapel not a bullet, as doctors and nurses so stated.
Finally, the damage in the front of the shirt is consistent with being cut by a scapel not shot through by a bullet. They are not the same length and do not line up when the shirt is buttoned. They are slits not holes.
On the basis of this official evidence Myers' recreation is a phony.
samiemma 1 year ago
It's obvious. The only one who could have shot Connally is Kennedy!
optobob 1 year ago
Very interesting video. I had seen the Myers reconstruction previously and had not noticed the difference in body placement. Wonder if Myers has had any kind of reaction (meaning verbal, not demanding that youtube take the video down) or tried to contact Bob?
DKetch1966 1 year ago
well even if his positions are correct, how does that make the bullet pristine after hitting bones and ligaments???.....
ShyeesTongue 1 year ago
@ShyeesTongue You are correct about the bullet.
This entire affair was certainly a conspiracy of high vip's to assassinated JFK.
Even jack Ruby says it, in his own way, on his video.
arther1046 1 year ago
@arther1046 i think these guys pretty much prove the point about how he was assassinated but no one really knows why
i think we should focus on who had it happen and why that was
was he wanting to expose the people behind the closed doors the 1's who really run the government
these type of questions i think we should ask
as nothing ever gets done about it
people do nothing about it but complain action needs to be done
the main media will never tell us the truth on anything
whitestar111 1 year ago
I didn't need Dale Meyers to tell me that critics of the single bullet theory are the ones who misrepresent the positions of Connally and Kennedy, I had noticed it already. He is absolutely right about the alignment of them at Z222-z225 and their simultaneous reactions that are quite readily apparent. Whatever might be wrong about some part of his illustration, his points in favor of a single bullet are correct.
Toneytc 1 year ago
@Toneytc Did your priest molest your brain? Most likely, huh? that is what priests do.
cdddraftman 1 year ago
The problem that conspiracy theorists have with a single shooter is that a complete loser killed the President of the USA, and it couldn't possibly be that simple. Your video is silly.
dkb21 1 year ago
"Bob Harris, You are 'Profound in Translation'!!
rylo64 1 year ago
bullets change direction after hitting a target, when the bullet entered Kennedy it is most likely that it went slightly off course in the body en then came out. Just like how light beams break through a window. I don't see either Myers nor Harris taking this into consideration.
PwnerKev 1 year ago
Excellent analysis, Mr. Harris. Consistent with the criticisms Dr. David Wrone has levelled against Myers.
samiemma 1 year ago
Unfortunately for Mr.Myers, JFK wasn't murdered on a computer anaylisis or graphics.
MrLordbaltimore 1 year ago
LHO did not kill JFK and Myers, Posner and others know it.
MrLordbaltimore 1 year ago
Ballistics experts will tell you bullets that enter and exit a body can be deflected by tissue and or bone. So, trying to determine such precise bullet path accuracy based on perfectly straight lines is overkill. I commend Mr Myers for his work and find it acceptible, even allowing for the margins of error.
briansley 2 years ago
This seems like an intelligent post but actually makes no sense. He's not arguing in the video about what happens AFTER the bullet enters a body. He's talking strictly about the placement of entrance wounds which is NOT subject to "deflection" of any kind. If the angle says Kennedy MUST have been hit in the throat but Mr. Myers has to fudge the angle to get to that and engaging in sleight of hand then he's a con-artist plain and simple.
PabloPena108 2 years ago
Huh? What I am trying to state is a bullet does not always pass through a body in a straight line, it can be deflected on entry and cut, say, an arched path through the body So expecting the path from the gun through two bodies to form a perfect, straight line is ridiculous. I believe Myer's study lends credit to the SBT -add in the mass of evidence against Oswald and I'm satisfied.
briansley 2 years ago
@briansley
Totally understand the point Brian and agree with Myers. Bob you dont seem to give your take on the subject, where did the magic bullet go ? Why was Connally's wound of entry (back) shaped elongated 1.25in x .25 in
Where did the Connally round go ?
If CE399 was planted why would they plant a round in such good condition ?
What if the other rounds were still in Kennedy and Connally and now they plant another round ? Oops . The same arguments are worn out here.
Regards James
1963422007 2 years ago
Ah yes, I'm going to believe some guy sitting around in his underwear with a ruler and a TV screen over a professional animator whose animation was verified by a legal animation firm (Z-Axis). As for the relative position of the men, why don't you at least do a simple Google search for the dimensions of the limo - it's right there and guess what - there ain't no leg room genius.
Calidastas 2 years ago
Oh here we go. It's the old "wrong by underwear" argument. What this fool doesn't understand is that con-artists don't usually wear underwear they usually have firms whose opinions they purchase. Anybody can clearly see the logic in this video, it's pretty basic and hard to refute. Dale Myers "points out" that Connally is shifted to the left but never substantiates it. It's just his "wish". If you look closely at the Z film you'll notice it just isn't true.
PabloPena108 2 years ago
The shots that went through JFKs back have no real importance. The shot that took half his skull off is. Does Meyers' animation explain the impossible physics involved with a shot to the head from behind JFK?
Devilock79 2 years ago
gOOD POINT, BUT WE WANT THE TRUTH THE WHOLE TRUTH And nothing but the truth. People like Myers dont want to face the truth of our Government being ran by psychopaths who kill popular leaders and implode buildings killing American Citizens. Sadam Husein has nothing on these monsters. Also Myers has the same reaction as our govt.: silence the truth.
pwreric 2 years ago
Bob, computer animation has exposed all of the conspiracy theories, can you please explain why both men react at the same exact precise time?, once the bullet hit kennedy it started to tumble, explaining the ragged hole in the connallys chest, your analogy is based on the bullet going straight all the way from the snipers nest when the facts show once if left kennedys neck is tumbled.
billyballs68 2 years ago
I firmly believe that one bullet passed through both victims but it absolutely did not come from the alleged sniper's nest.
Look at my new video and I think you will see what I mean. This is much different than anything you have probably seen before. Mainly because it is right.
watch?v=gkAc76n8q44
bobharris77 2 years ago
Ah Harris. Your advanced degree in mathematics (not that one is needed...) is from where? MIT or CalTech? Jesus, did you even pass eighth-grade geometry?
dickroylet 2 years ago