I kind of have mixed feelings about all this "glamourization" of MMA. I think kids are getting the wrong idea of how things actually are. I think its good to get the sport into the mainstream, but not this way. I think it has done well enough via good fight cards and marketing. This just seems like another hype movie, for a sport IMHO that doesn't need any.
Karate kid done wonders for karate and martial arts as a whole and while these types of glmaorizations do attract an unwanted element it also does attract some people who will do it for life.
For the growth of the sport (and as a by product what also comes with growth) these types of movies are not bad....if they where B-movies would of killed kung fu :)
and as for the body builder. THEy train to be strong for only a few heavy lifts and are not flexable and dont do much cardio. aviod getting hit the first few seconds make them move around alot then go for the sub
my opinion on multiple attackers. I personally ben in 6 fights in this situation and a good 30 1on1 i was an idiot before i started sport fighting. but anyway i dont care what style you know. THE best option is to tag one of them hard as fuck and take off. why risk the chance of aloss get them 1on1 later or go get some friends. it is posable to win i have won a few of them and i have been training since i was 5. but your better off getting the fuck out and getiing some buddies to keep it fair.
What everyone seems to be forgetting is that bodybuilders are not strong. They have big puffy muscles that don't amount to shit in a real fight. I'd take BJJ for the win any day.
yup lol. body builders cant even wipe their own ass or touch their shoulders. how do you expect them to fight haha? the only way body builders can beat anyone is if the opponent gets tired from trying to knock out the body builder and the body builder hold them over his head and rips him in half hahaha
Jui Jitsu is useless in the real world? That's like saying Jeet Kun Do is useless in the real world. JJ artists will wreck your YouTube commenting ass.
mate. this shit they're doing is useless. just watch any random ufc fights. they use only simple punches, high kicks, low kicks and sometimes hooks. that is it. non of this shit. that is what I ment. I'm not talking about jitsu. I'm talking about this overeacting shit.
I'm sorry, I understand where youre coming from Kagolko, but from youre comment-- can you be any more ignorant or just plainly w/o knowledge of the this form of martial arts? Do you even know what jui jitsu is ? If you know what it is, youd know it is effective in Street fighting combat! Besides, UFC is not mainly jui jitsu its an MMA, so you cant just attack Jui Jitsu! Idk, you have youre opinion but as a martial artist, if you know jui jitsu it can help.
Also, UFC in my opinion is a DISGRACE to martial arts. Yes, they do martial arts and they are martial artists and the fact that you point out their ridiculous attacks and how they fight in the ring clearly shows how it seriously downgrades the true meaning of martial arts. UFC is fun to watch, but a joke to Martial Arts. Its just pure entertainment of pure brawl. Only thing legit in it is the Grappling part. UFC SUCKS!!!!
If U read my other post that was my argument. N idk if u took a traditional old school martial arts lesson, but the philosophy they will teach u in ANY traditional martial arts school is Body, Mind, and Soul and importantly control and to use it for good. And thats where ur wrong about people have reasons, GOOD or BAD. NO, its SUPPOSED to be used for GOOD. its NOT MY philosophy, ANY traditional martial arts school will teach you that philosophy. MMA schools dont teach u that, atleast most dont.
When and Where did I say that? dont assume n put words in my mouth, I really dont have that problem at all. And I do agree w/ you, knowing only one style n form alone wont help much in the MMA world. all I said was, Jiu Jitsu can actually help in a real life combat. my main pt is this...I dont like UFC n ITS JUST MY OPINION, MMA is a form of martial arts arguably revolutionized by Bruce Lee himself. just not into the whole beating your oppnt to the pulp. Im just more traditional.nuff said.
Now we kno what works, in a real fight situation, and mixed martial arts is to think. MMA (UFC) has shown us which martial arts are truly effective, and that is one of my favourite things about MMA.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu has shown time and again it can beat not only every martial art, but much bigger, stronger opponents.
i wouldnt say that. bjj is great and effective WITH other martial arts. just look at royce gracie vs matt hughes. royce is a master at bjj but thats all he knew so he got dominated by hughes.
choose one for what? BJJ has nothing against weapons and u cant fight on the ground against several people. get attacked by 2-3 persons and u have to keep urself standing
there isnt a martial art in existance that allows you to fight multiple attackers. even bruce lee says that in the Tao of Jeet Kune Do. quit watching jackie chan movies.
screw what bruce lee said in the 70's. in krav maga for example, they have scenario training with different situations. 1vs2, 2vs4 etc. some with knifes or baseball bats and so on.
jackie chan movies? im not one of the typical kung fu nuthuggers who thinks that bruce lee or jackie chan could beat up MMA fighters with one hand.
on the other hand, im realistic enough to know that BJJ is not the ultimate system. the gracies didnt manage to brainwash me, unlike you
brainwash is a funny thing since i am the only one with common sense here. i dont give a rats ass what krav maga "prepares you" for. multiple attackers = loss 99% of the time. if you cant see that which one of us is delusional?
Royce Gracie vs Mike Tyson. Gracie wins by submission obviously.
Now take this scenario: Gracie vs 3 angry construction workers. Gracie gets kicked in the head by 2 guys.
Ok, now what about Tyson vs those same construction workers - he's going to knock them all the fuck out.
Point being, just because a grappler beats a striker, and a grappler can't beat more than one person at a time, doesn't mean that it's impossible for anyone to do so.
You are a spectacular moron. If you can't follow the simple logic in the scenario you are in no position to judge who is delusional.
Here's something else that will blow your mind:
A guy with a musket will win a fight against a guy with a chainsaw, but lose a fight against 5 unarmed guys...but get this: The chainsaw guy will win a fight against those same 5 guys that beat the musket guy!! NO WAI!!?
It's the same basic principle, if you don't understand you are beyond stupid.
Obviously you dont know shit about krav maga, there are ways to deal with 2,3 maybe 4 persons they teach you ways to fight one at a time, use someone as a shield etc..Obviously if theyre trained, youre pretty much screwed.
obviously i dont give a shit about krav maga is what you meant to say. i have said it a thousand times, when there are multiple attackers, running is the only effect defense. period.
99%? maybe ur are just not very skilled but 99% is not true
search ''boxer vs 2 gangmembers''. a real fight with a boxer who is very quick and mobile. the 2 punks were overwhelmed
or try search ''boxer vs 4 attackers''. another example how u can defend urself in a way no BJJ artist could do
im using boxing as an example how a basic, simple system with only hands as weapons can be very effective. it doesnt have to be so complicated. a kick to the groin and a left hook can take out anyone
fine there are videos that people have posted where a guy successfully defended himself against a few attackers. does this make it the norm? nobody posts a video with several people beating the hell out of one person. if they did there would be out number the scenarios you describe a 100 to 1.
dude haha ive seen the video an both the guys were fukin steamin as fuk they were pissed as fuk...agreed he kicks ass tho! an no bjj fool cant get them on the ground in an armbar or triangle!
any body that knows bjj will tap any1 out if the get u in position.. jiu jitsu was made so smaller men could beat the bigger its not about strenght its about leverage..it on of the best forms of combat to know for restraint an submission fightin
Right But You Have To Take Into Acount That. If The Body Builder Knows A Little Something, It Could Be Difficult For A BJJ.
I Train With Robson Moura And Im A Blue Belt. And I Still Find Trouble In Tapping Out Big Stron Guys Unless They Get Thereself Into A Position Were I Can Take Advantage
Of course everyone ıs not the same. But what ı mean ıs however strong u are, ıf u dont have the technıque that these martıal arts ınclude, u are nothıng. So u can be very powerful, but a person less powerful than u can beat u wıth hıs technıque. Thats what ı mean my frıend.
all i was ever saying was that they are very, very similar. Yes there are some differences Jujitsu has more lethal moves in and Atemi useage MMA doesnt, MMA has aspects of Boxing and other things, which are n ot in Jujitsu... Name one other style that is most like MMA... the answer is Jujitsu (or any other martial art which is as versatile)...
no asswipe the answer is pankration which predates anything u think.....held in the first olympic events over a millennium ago....a mixture of striking an grapplin that ended wen an opponent verbally gave up or tapped on the ground........sound familiar sonn??? look it up next time
i know what it is you cunt (also it wasn't a proper art, more like a 'brawl')... think is japan was isolated from the rest of the world till very late, so jujitsu will not have been influenced by that... OUCH!!! whereas almost ALL japanese arts come from jujitsu, very few in the world come from pankration, as anceint greece and olympics were unknown of in the east... so u stop being so ignorant and actually think about what the point is ur trying to make... now fuck off u shit head
lol the fact u said it is more like a brawl prove's to me u really dont kno shit about it.....i'll say it slow 4 u.....READY.......the time an era predates jj sonn....add 2 the fact that the 2 most effective and worldly style's known 2 man originated from greece in the time frame ( boxing, greco wrestlin) u who only know that it was really brutal cant really say shit about except sum dumbshit like it was a brawl....go 2 wikipedia like i said an go learn then come bac....i'll wait
actually u piece of shit, i know what it is, probably more about it than u, and to say that it is much more highly developed than a brawl would be fine to say... IN WHAT MANNER WAS IT NOT!!! it wasnt exactly strict styling was it? NO... i also realise u chose to ignore my point that Japan was isolated from GREECE for a very long time... Jujitsu had already been developed...
i mean hell the only thing not allowed were were eye gouges right? you had fighters win by breaking fingers or by nut punching. it was pretty brawltastic (pankration)
Are you trying to tell me that fighters like Kimbo are jiu jitsu praticioners?
How about Kid Yamamoto? The most dominat fighter in his weight class and a K! legend. He hasn't a trace of jiu jitsu in his fight style. He is a boxer and submission wrestler.
no i didnt actually say that... all i am saying is that MMA incorporates most aspects of fighting yes? As does jujitsu, any1 who does recognise that is wrong, it has the largest selection of techniques... MMA and jujitsu both have stand up, both have takedowns, both having submissions and other groundworks. Jujitsu was the parent of almost every Japanese martial art... and the japanese are massive on martial arts.
muaythai(great defense and Offense when standing) + Judo(well judo is all about submission, thats the purpose of judo theres no punch only take downs and submission so its a must for ground combat) = KICKASSS SHIT
not for take downs it isnt, and besides... russian sambo is better then brazilian jiujitsu...lol!!! most of jiujitsu moves are derived from judo i guarantee you if you see 1 judo fighter and a Jiujitsu fighter pon ground you wont be able to tell who is who, its practically the same
ok firs ti have no idea what a fuckin noob is and second i never implied that judo was better then any styles... but some styles are better then others and i dont mean in overrall i just mean some will have better standups, others better throws, other better submissions...you feel me? but thats the beauty of MMA, it regroups more then one art and its just awesome!
Yea I understand what your saying, but I wasn't refering to what Brew said I was refering to when you said sambo is better then bjj. And their are no better styles I mean don't you think it's obvious that BJJ can defeat a striker immediatly and a striker can outstrike and KO the grappler. 95% of the styles right now are half complete like MT has no grappling and BJJ has no striking.I do understand MMA I am a MMA practicioner.
dude the closest thing ive seen to strikes is a pankration comp that allows body shots....and for you to say mma is competitive jiu jitsu is fucking ignorant and stupid...because putting on an armbar is easy when your not getting punched in the face or shooting in w/o worrying about a knee
actually its not ignorant, seen as how it is a very well informed opinion actually :), yes i accept that there are elements of MMA which have very little to do with ju jit su, but u have to acknowledge the fact that JUjitsu is the largest material art, and incorporates techniques from almost all other styles (espacially Japanese ones which tbh is a massive section), and just to make it clear, there ARE jujitsu spars very much like MMA fights
have been writing loads of text bout this but am just gonna keep it short and sweet.
In any decent martial art school, they'll teach you how not to get hit, when performing these moves, if not for competitons (which you dont think they exist they do) then for real life. Final thing: Have to pick one martial art most like MMA its almost definatly Jujitsu
Brewmaster757 and totoro201 you guys are noobs when it comes to martial arts. First of all you guys saying which style is better and thats the noobiest thing to say. No style is greater it's the combatant.
Yeah thats because you can't win a fight by just throwing them and that rarley happens. Judo is mainly throwing, while BJJ is ground fighting. Judo and BJJ come togther for the ground game, and I don't disagree at the fact that BJJ is use more commonly, but how does it make it better?
ok judo is better to take them to the ground but to me its wat goes on on the ground that counts. there are always striker v grappler fights and they more than likely go to the ground, its not really that hard, and thinkin it as judo vs bbj, ok judo wud get bbj to the ground but it will always come back
True I mean, but Judo has some simple means of ground fighting, I know that most BJJ vs Judo fights BJJ will win most of the time cause it has more of a submission concentration rather then throwing.
most of fighter dont use judo cause its mainly take downs, and if you get an "ippon" throw your move and oppenent goes with it and falls flat, the fight is over, there is rarely fights that are taken to the ground so bjj is stronger in grapples, plus in judo the kimono helps a lot but in mma, you aint get any so it can be hard to grab into something,chek KARO PARISYAN he a judok who fights in mma,he pretty good, but i see the points you making,but i dont think any art is better then another
no worry, and besides i just said that sambo was better the bjj to try and start a fire cuz usually people say bjj is better then this and that because they see all those brazilian dudes fighting on mma, so by saying sambo was better i was just trying to piss Brewmaster757 off and then defend sambo with fedor lol but yeah your right none martial art is better then another, some just focus on things that others wont, theres ups and downs
Yes it would... legs are longer than arms means plenty of kicks, boxers only attack and protect UPPER BODY and what would a boxer do if he was on the ground. Not to mention these guys can still throw a punch!!
there is no need to get all angry and call me a moron and assume that i don't know anything about fighting or boxing..i know legs are slower, but the power from a kick far exceeds the power from a punch(if you disagree pls do not reply). it is not "all about speed" speed is nothing without power.
obviously your a boxing fan so am i!, but they definetly can't fight on the ground and do not learn how to protect there legs, even muay thai and kickboxing have little or no moves from a ground fighting position.
Boxing is good in the boxing ring but not in MMA. jiu jitsu has dominated boxers. GSP is the welterweight champ in UFC and he does jiu jitsu, karate, and wrestling. In the early UFC jiu jitsu dominated and was found to be the single most effective art for one on one fighting. How much experience do you have in the martial arts? MayWeather said he won't do MMA.
at the end of the day boxing and mma or anything in ufc are different sports. could go on for hours about the pros and cons of all but won't. I've done judo for close to 12 years, ju jitsu on and of for sbout 5, have tried boxing, karate, tai kwon do, all are good in there own way but just wasn't for me. To be good you should try everything otherwise you end up too narrow-minded and thinking that your art is the best and losing respect for the others.
actually mayweather might do mma, he is friends with mark cuban and there is a posssibility that mayweather could be the centerpiece of a mma franchise cuban plans on owning
if he larns how to defend the takedown well (which wont be overly difficult for somone that athletic, and learns a little bit of jiu jitsu, hell prolly be a tough mathcup for anybody
That is such BS. BJ Penn has very good takedown defense and he is so un athletic. He never trained conditioning for his fights and Matt Hughes (cardio freak and div 1 wrestler) could not take him down. Its all about skill. I agree Mayweather is very athletic but thats not going to make him an MMA champ overnight. He will have to go through years of training just like everyone else.
dpends how u define athleticism, most ppl define it as not only explosiveness but also as desterity and flexibility, bj penn has pleny of the latter two so IMO hes athletic..look im not saying mayweather will automtically be champ i just think he will do much better than what most of u are saying.
also im (99% sure) that takedown defense is just sprawilng and getting ure legs away from the guy shooting for the take down..how is that so hard to learn?
What about a takedown from the clinch? You can't just sprawl from the clinch you need to know how to correct your center of gravity constantly to prevent takedowns. Besides, everyone is going to be looking to take down Mayweather. He needs to have excellent takedown defense. Anyone who stands there and wants to bang with him is an idiot.
Why would it be that hard? Look at his boxing matches, or any for that matter. ALL boxers end up in a clinch during each match. Of course they can't do anything with it, but if it happens with everyone else, its going to happen in MMA.
Sorry, but even a somewhat decent kickboxer can beat a very dangerous boxer. A boxer and fully dimensional striker are on completely different levels when it comes to actual fighting in the standup position or otherwise.
Training takedown defense is more than that.You must keep repeating and training for it because people shoot in at different angles.You watch too much TV,take a class and TRY IT.Its harder than it looks. Randy cotoure dips motherfuckers on their heads that train for takedown defense,so its not as easy as it looks. Are you 99% sure now? lofl!
did wrestling in high school all i rember coach saying was sprawl..wasnt that hard..and before u flame on how shit my level of wrestling was compared to corture, u seriously that mayweather wont be able to defend a take down?
omg jujitsu is crap? If you take any sort of boxer down. And they have no ground experience they are going to get something broken, and I think that would hinder their KO power. You see it all the time when pro boxers enter MMA and get tapped.
That's if that's what they were going for, which it looks like it was. If they were going for an old-school, fancy-moves kung fu movie, with added BJJ and such (but still fancy) then they got it and it looks fun and enjoyable. If they're trying to make it look realistic - they obviously haven't watched any MMA fights, and are putting WAY TOO MUCH emphasis on flashy moves. Still would like to see it :)
I was strolling through Wal-Mart and now they have their own line up of MMA clothing directed towards 10 year olds.
What kind of BS is this?
Da1RiSiN1sMoKe 1 year ago 3
stupid video.
Gordon31100 1 year ago 3
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tlapower 1 year ago
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LutuqoGipypawe 2 years ago
I kind of have mixed feelings about all this "glamourization" of MMA. I think kids are getting the wrong idea of how things actually are. I think its good to get the sport into the mainstream, but not this way. I think it has done well enough via good fight cards and marketing. This just seems like another hype movie, for a sport IMHO that doesn't need any.
supernaut1019 3 years ago 11
Karate kid done wonders for karate and martial arts as a whole and while these types of glmaorizations do attract an unwanted element it also does attract some people who will do it for life.
For the growth of the sport (and as a by product what also comes with growth) these types of movies are not bad....if they where B-movies would of killed kung fu :)
wondeboy12 2 years ago
no not really...take away the music and effects..most of it is athletes trainnig...not glamourization
hateash101 2 years ago
From which movie is it?
Przygi666 3 years ago
"Beyond The Ring"
BetoSaoPaulo 3 years ago
0:10 haha thats tight if someone tries to ram u against a wall!!!
shattercourse 3 years ago
looks good
poolboyinla 3 years ago
and as for the body builder. THEy train to be strong for only a few heavy lifts and are not flexable and dont do much cardio. aviod getting hit the first few seconds make them move around alot then go for the sub
youngarmystud 3 years ago
my opinion on multiple attackers. I personally ben in 6 fights in this situation and a good 30 1on1 i was an idiot before i started sport fighting. but anyway i dont care what style you know. THE best option is to tag one of them hard as fuck and take off. why risk the chance of aloss get them 1on1 later or go get some friends. it is posable to win i have won a few of them and i have been training since i was 5. but your better off getting the fuck out and getiing some buddies to keep it fair.
youngarmystud 3 years ago
Well said, you make some good points...
kimbej2 3 years ago
he is a mma fighter not bodybuilder
treie 3 years ago 9
What everyone seems to be forgetting is that bodybuilders are not strong. They have big puffy muscles that don't amount to shit in a real fight. I'd take BJJ for the win any day.
masterofabyss 3 years ago
i see you dont know any thing about bodybuilding by saying they are not strong
GAFFER31 3 years ago
.....like 40% of fights still end in submission.
aaaa1 3 years ago
AC DC rules.
EyeMPabo 3 years ago
thats Brazilian ju jitsu
brasileiroverdadeiar 3 years ago
arm bar rules!
inoqwerty 3 years ago
can someone tell me what the music is on this video couldnt stop my two year old from dancing to it brilliant
dogkung 3 years ago
Shame on you! It's AC-DC - Thunderstruck ;]
Faginpl 3 years ago
what is tht song
crazyisthashiz 3 years ago
ac dc thunder
BTOWNSHREDS 3 years ago
y thank u very much lol
crazyisthashiz 3 years ago
I get mind-fog.
bonzibonzibonzi1987 3 years ago
thats the bast song in the world thats what that is
asumo123 3 years ago
song is Thunderstruck by ACDC
freerider381 3 years ago
what's the song???? its crazyyy!! xD
mikelee98 3 years ago
body builders are there to just look good
if u had jet li in his prime fight arnold swartenager(cant spell his name atm), jet li would prolly deliver a hollywood type-ass kicking to arnold
hikari33 3 years ago
yup lol. body builders cant even wipe their own ass or touch their shoulders. how do you expect them to fight haha? the only way body builders can beat anyone is if the opponent gets tired from trying to knock out the body builder and the body builder hold them over his head and rips him in half hahaha
switchfooted1987 3 years ago
Ac/DC THUNNNNNNDER!!!
Vlakarmis 3 years ago
Because the martial artist knows when he's been beaten.
TheGuv123 3 years ago
it is nice to watch. but useless in real world.
kagolko 3 years ago
Jui Jitsu is useless in the real world? That's like saying Jeet Kun Do is useless in the real world. JJ artists will wreck your YouTube commenting ass.
3RDW0RLD 3 years ago
mate. this shit they're doing is useless. just watch any random ufc fights. they use only simple punches, high kicks, low kicks and sometimes hooks. that is it. non of this shit. that is what I ment. I'm not talking about jitsu. I'm talking about this overeacting shit.
kagolko 3 years ago
I'm sorry, I understand where youre coming from Kagolko, but from youre comment-- can you be any more ignorant or just plainly w/o knowledge of the this form of martial arts? Do you even know what jui jitsu is ? If you know what it is, youd know it is effective in Street fighting combat! Besides, UFC is not mainly jui jitsu its an MMA, so you cant just attack Jui Jitsu! Idk, you have youre opinion but as a martial artist, if you know jui jitsu it can help.
baviperbry86 3 years ago
yes. you're right. I've seen guys like Wand, Anderson Silva... but this is faked. this is not a real stuff.. that is, what I was talking about..
kagolko 3 years ago
Also, UFC in my opinion is a DISGRACE to martial arts. Yes, they do martial arts and they are martial artists and the fact that you point out their ridiculous attacks and how they fight in the ring clearly shows how it seriously downgrades the true meaning of martial arts. UFC is fun to watch, but a joke to Martial Arts. Its just pure entertainment of pure brawl. Only thing legit in it is the Grappling part. UFC SUCKS!!!!
baviperbry86 3 years ago
that's because you're condition is nowhere near UFC.. and all those tiny, skinny felows of yours..
kagolko 3 years ago 2
he was trying to say that how they fight in the ring is how they would fight in real life situations (for the most part)
and how does it downgrade the true meaning of martial arts? what IS the true meaning of martials arts? did you just come up with that or something?
everybody does it for their own reasons, good or bad. it is what it is, and you shouldnt shove your philosophy down other peoples throats.
famousmanbearpig 3 years ago
If U read my other post that was my argument. N idk if u took a traditional old school martial arts lesson, but the philosophy they will teach u in ANY traditional martial arts school is Body, Mind, and Soul and importantly control and to use it for good. And thats where ur wrong about people have reasons, GOOD or BAD. NO, its SUPPOSED to be used for GOOD. its NOT MY philosophy, ANY traditional martial arts school will teach you that philosophy. MMA schools dont teach u that, atleast most dont.
baviperbry86 3 years ago
yea they teach you to just out right kick ass, thats how it should be
Tetzlaff777 3 years ago
You seem to just have a problem with the fact that only knowing jiu jitsu will get you no where in MIXED MARTIAL ARTS.
BIGthingsSON 3 years ago
When and Where did I say that? dont assume n put words in my mouth, I really dont have that problem at all. And I do agree w/ you, knowing only one style n form alone wont help much in the MMA world. all I said was, Jiu Jitsu can actually help in a real life combat. my main pt is this...I dont like UFC n ITS JUST MY OPINION, MMA is a form of martial arts arguably revolutionized by Bruce Lee himself. just not into the whole beating your oppnt to the pulp. Im just more traditional.nuff said.
baviperbry86 3 years ago
Now we kno what works, in a real fight situation, and mixed martial arts is to think. MMA (UFC) has shown us which martial arts are truly effective, and that is one of my favourite things about MMA.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu has shown time and again it can beat not only every martial art, but much bigger, stronger opponents.
AND THAT IS FUCKING COOL.
bonzibonzibonzi1987 3 years ago
i wouldnt say that. bjj is great and effective WITH other martial arts. just look at royce gracie vs matt hughes. royce is a master at bjj but thats all he knew so he got dominated by hughes.
switchfooted1987 3 years ago
Yeah you're right. Hughes also proved to be far too strong in that fight as well... even if his BBJ technique wasn't up there with Royce's.
These two things make my point invalid!
The sport is ever-evolving, and the bottom line is, you now need all the tools! Both physical and technical.
In the early days, BJJ was the most successful... rendering it the most effective martial art. If you could choose one, it would have to be BJJ!
bonzibonzibonzi1987 3 years ago
choose one for what? BJJ has nothing against weapons and u cant fight on the ground against several people. get attacked by 2-3 persons and u have to keep urself standing
MuayThaiViking 3 years ago
Aye thats true. I meant... if you were gonna have to choose one martial art for a fight, it would have to be BJJ.
bonzibonzibonzi1987 3 years ago
there isnt a martial art in existance that allows you to fight multiple attackers. even bruce lee says that in the Tao of Jeet Kune Do. quit watching jackie chan movies.
spleenbuster 3 years ago
krav maga
wooooooo9 3 years ago
i love it when those guys drop by. trust me, gracie jiu jitsu owns.
spleenbuster 3 years ago
iwasnt saying it oesnt own. ive never tried it. i was just saying that krav maga allows you to fight multiple attackers
wooooooo9 3 years ago
there is only one way to find multiple attackers, run like hell
spleenbuster 3 years ago
hahaha yeah. do you do any martial arts?
wooooooo9 3 years ago
yes. five days a week of gracie jiu jitsu.
spleenbuster 3 years ago
screw what bruce lee said in the 70's. in krav maga for example, they have scenario training with different situations. 1vs2, 2vs4 etc. some with knifes or baseball bats and so on.
jackie chan movies? im not one of the typical kung fu nuthuggers who thinks that bruce lee or jackie chan could beat up MMA fighters with one hand.
on the other hand, im realistic enough to know that BJJ is not the ultimate system. the gracies didnt manage to brainwash me, unlike you
MuayThaiViking 3 years ago
brainwash is a funny thing since i am the only one with common sense here. i dont give a rats ass what krav maga "prepares you" for. multiple attackers = loss 99% of the time. if you cant see that which one of us is delusional?
spleenbuster 3 years ago
Take this scenario.
Royce Gracie vs Mike Tyson. Gracie wins by submission obviously.
Now take this scenario: Gracie vs 3 angry construction workers. Gracie gets kicked in the head by 2 guys.
Ok, now what about Tyson vs those same construction workers - he's going to knock them all the fuck out.
Point being, just because a grappler beats a striker, and a grappler can't beat more than one person at a time, doesn't mean that it's impossible for anyone to do so.
JonathanBloggs 3 years ago 3
guess you better learn some boxing then.
spleenbuster 3 years ago
i think your scenario is hilarious by the way. you say tyson couldnt beat one guy, but magically he can beat three? like i said, delusional.
spleenbuster 3 years ago
You are a spectacular moron. If you can't follow the simple logic in the scenario you are in no position to judge who is delusional.
Here's something else that will blow your mind:
A guy with a musket will win a fight against a guy with a chainsaw, but lose a fight against 5 unarmed guys...but get this: The chainsaw guy will win a fight against those same 5 guys that beat the musket guy!! NO WAI!!?
It's the same basic principle, if you don't understand you are beyond stupid.
JonathanBloggs 3 years ago 3
Obviously you dont know shit about krav maga, there are ways to deal with 2,3 maybe 4 persons they teach you ways to fight one at a time, use someone as a shield etc..Obviously if theyre trained, youre pretty much screwed.
crazyhamster7 3 years ago
obviously i dont give a shit about krav maga is what you meant to say. i have said it a thousand times, when there are multiple attackers, running is the only effect defense. period.
spleenbuster 3 years ago
99%? maybe ur are just not very skilled but 99% is not true
search ''boxer vs 2 gangmembers''. a real fight with a boxer who is very quick and mobile. the 2 punks were overwhelmed
or try search ''boxer vs 4 attackers''. another example how u can defend urself in a way no BJJ artist could do
im using boxing as an example how a basic, simple system with only hands as weapons can be very effective. it doesnt have to be so complicated. a kick to the groin and a left hook can take out anyone
MuayThaiViking 3 years ago
fine there are videos that people have posted where a guy successfully defended himself against a few attackers. does this make it the norm? nobody posts a video with several people beating the hell out of one person. if they did there would be out number the scenarios you describe a 100 to 1.
spleenbuster 3 years ago
Don King!!! hahha
checkle1 3 years ago
Just thought I'd cut in here to say I'm glad to see spleenbuster is getting the shit kicked out of him in more than one argument at the same time.
Muay Thai Viking I love you man.
JonathanBloggs 3 years ago
dude haha ive seen the video an both the guys were fukin steamin as fuk they were pissed as fuk...agreed he kicks ass tho! an no bjj fool cant get them on the ground in an armbar or triangle!
mikel2187 3 years ago
A Bodybuilder would be slow and probably isnt use to getting hit.
Im pretty sure a bjj practitioner at almost equal size like Frank Mir or Fedor Could Tap out A Bodybuilder no doubt.
Concretenjeffro 3 years ago 2
any body that knows bjj will tap any1 out if the get u in position.. jiu jitsu was made so smaller men could beat the bigger its not about strenght its about leverage..it on of the best forms of combat to know for restraint an submission fightin
mikel2187 3 years ago
Right But You Have To Take Into Acount That. If The Body Builder Knows A Little Something, It Could Be Difficult For A BJJ.
I Train With Robson Moura And Im A Blue Belt. And I Still Find Trouble In Tapping Out Big Stron Guys Unless They Get Thereself Into A Position Were I Can Take Advantage
Concretenjeffro 3 years ago
lol frank mir or fedor... someone of ROyce early day's size can tap out a bodybuilder.. go watch Pedro Sauer vs body builder
Brazilianjj 3 years ago
and weve seen time to time that effective striking can destroy Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
AND THATS FUCKING COOL
hikari33 3 years ago
Yeah point taken, looking back at what I typed, I made it sound like BJJ's all u need in MMA... you gotta be well so well-rounded.
FUCKING COOL SPORT
bonzibonzibonzi1987 3 years ago
bodybuilder wins.
TheGuv123 3 years ago
How can a body builder win if he can't even touch the martial artist?
Hobocommander4 3 years ago
oh an the style most like mma is sambo, the best p4p fighter ever Fedor will tell u that
boxinisdead 3 years ago
Of course everyone ıs not the same. But what ı mean ıs however strong u are, ıf u dont have the technıque that these martıal arts ınclude, u are nothıng. So u can be very powerful, but a person less powerful than u can beat u wıth hıs technıque. Thats what ı mean my frıend.
dogan3131 3 years ago 2
all i was ever saying was that they are very, very similar. Yes there are some differences Jujitsu has more lethal moves in and Atemi useage MMA doesnt, MMA has aspects of Boxing and other things, which are n ot in Jujitsu... Name one other style that is most like MMA... the answer is Jujitsu (or any other martial art which is as versatile)...
DanWilsonEngland 3 years ago
no asswipe the answer is pankration which predates anything u think.....held in the first olympic events over a millennium ago....a mixture of striking an grapplin that ended wen an opponent verbally gave up or tapped on the ground........sound familiar sonn??? look it up next time
boxinisdead 3 years ago
i know what it is you cunt (also it wasn't a proper art, more like a 'brawl')... think is japan was isolated from the rest of the world till very late, so jujitsu will not have been influenced by that... OUCH!!! whereas almost ALL japanese arts come from jujitsu, very few in the world come from pankration, as anceint greece and olympics were unknown of in the east... so u stop being so ignorant and actually think about what the point is ur trying to make... now fuck off u shit head
DanWilsonEngland 3 years ago
lol the fact u said it is more like a brawl prove's to me u really dont kno shit about it.....i'll say it slow 4 u.....READY.......the time an era predates jj sonn....add 2 the fact that the 2 most effective and worldly style's known 2 man originated from greece in the time frame ( boxing, greco wrestlin) u who only know that it was really brutal cant really say shit about except sum dumbshit like it was a brawl....go 2 wikipedia like i said an go learn then come bac....i'll wait
boxinisdead 3 years ago
actually u piece of shit, i know what it is, probably more about it than u, and to say that it is much more highly developed than a brawl would be fine to say... IN WHAT MANNER WAS IT NOT!!! it wasnt exactly strict styling was it? NO... i also realise u chose to ignore my point that Japan was isolated from GREECE for a very long time... Jujitsu had already been developed...
DanWilsonEngland 3 years ago
i mean hell the only thing not allowed were were eye gouges right? you had fighters win by breaking fingers or by nut punching. it was pretty brawltastic (pankration)
grtwhtbnr 3 years ago
Dan Wilson you are misinformed and mistaken.
Are you trying to tell me that fighters like Kimbo are jiu jitsu praticioners?
How about Kid Yamamoto? The most dominat fighter in his weight class and a K! legend. He hasn't a trace of jiu jitsu in his fight style. He is a boxer and submission wrestler.
magi115 3 years ago
no i didnt actually say that... all i am saying is that MMA incorporates most aspects of fighting yes? As does jujitsu, any1 who does recognise that is wrong, it has the largest selection of techniques... MMA and jujitsu both have stand up, both have takedowns, both having submissions and other groundworks. Jujitsu was the parent of almost every Japanese martial art... and the japanese are massive on martial arts.
DanWilsonEngland 3 years ago
Learning technique is the vital thing in every martial art. Power comes later. Everyone is strong. But everyone doesn't have technique.
dogan3131 3 years ago
That doesn't really make sense. Strength is more of a comparative term. If everyone is strong, no one is strong, right?
Menzo20 3 years ago
nice acdc song.
xmaskater 3 years ago
0:23 Nice flying armbar!
nemiez 4 years ago
muaythai(great defense and Offense when standing) + Judo(well judo is all about submission, thats the purpose of judo theres no punch only take downs and submission so its a must for ground combat) = KICKASSS SHIT
totoro201 4 years ago
brazilian jiu-jitsu is better than judo
Brewmaster757 3 years ago
not for take downs it isnt, and besides... russian sambo is better then brazilian jiujitsu...lol!!! most of jiujitsu moves are derived from judo i guarantee you if you see 1 judo fighter and a Jiujitsu fighter pon ground you wont be able to tell who is who, its practically the same
totoro201 3 years ago
Oh yea totoro201 Judo came after Ju Jitsu. :/
apexi957 3 years ago
ok firs ti have no idea what a fuckin noob is and second i never implied that judo was better then any styles... but some styles are better then others and i dont mean in overrall i just mean some will have better standups, others better throws, other better submissions...you feel me? but thats the beauty of MMA, it regroups more then one art and its just awesome!
totoro201 3 years ago
Yea I understand what your saying, but I wasn't refering to what Brew said I was refering to when you said sambo is better then bjj. And their are no better styles I mean don't you think it's obvious that BJJ can defeat a striker immediatly and a striker can outstrike and KO the grappler. 95% of the styles right now are half complete like MT has no grappling and BJJ has no striking.I do understand MMA I am a MMA practicioner.
apexi957 3 years ago
sambo is awesome but it depends on the fighter if it were against bjj
poof250 3 years ago
Isn't that usually the case?
apexi957 3 years ago
yeh you do realise MMA is basically just competitive jujitsu, and dont say its not cause they are extremely similar
DanWilsonEngland 3 years ago
competitive jiu jitsu allows strikes ???? since when
omar2000089 3 years ago
it does, have been in competitions were strikes are allowed, bar nut shots and top of head etc. not pure stand up mind,
DanWilsonEngland 3 years ago
dude the closest thing ive seen to strikes is a pankration comp that allows body shots....and for you to say mma is competitive jiu jitsu is fucking ignorant and stupid...because putting on an armbar is easy when your not getting punched in the face or shooting in w/o worrying about a knee
omar2000089 3 years ago
actually its not ignorant, seen as how it is a very well informed opinion actually :), yes i accept that there are elements of MMA which have very little to do with ju jit su, but u have to acknowledge the fact that JUjitsu is the largest material art, and incorporates techniques from almost all other styles (espacially Japanese ones which tbh is a massive section), and just to make it clear, there ARE jujitsu spars very much like MMA fights
DanWilsonEngland 3 years ago
have been writing loads of text bout this but am just gonna keep it short and sweet.
In any decent martial art school, they'll teach you how not to get hit, when performing these moves, if not for competitons (which you dont think they exist they do) then for real life. Final thing: Have to pick one martial art most like MMA its almost definatly Jujitsu
DanWilsonEngland 3 years ago
MMa is mixed martial arts. Examples
Kung Le-San Da
Anderson Silva-Muay Thai, BJJ
Kimbo Slice-Boxing
Frank Shamrock-Submission Wrestling
Lyoto Machida-Karate
Rashad Evans-Wrestling
Yes, the Gracie family made MMA what it was in the 90's with their BJJ dominance, but that is longer the case.
magi115 3 years ago
Brewmaster757 and totoro201 you guys are noobs when it comes to martial arts. First of all you guys saying which style is better and thats the noobiest thing to say. No style is greater it's the combatant.
apexi957 3 years ago
looking at it practically most mma fighters use bbj rather than judo, what does that sugggest?
Brewmaster757 3 years ago
Yeah thats because you can't win a fight by just throwing them and that rarley happens. Judo is mainly throwing, while BJJ is ground fighting. Judo and BJJ come togther for the ground game, and I don't disagree at the fact that BJJ is use more commonly, but how does it make it better?
apexi957 3 years ago
ok judo is better to take them to the ground but to me its wat goes on on the ground that counts. there are always striker v grappler fights and they more than likely go to the ground, its not really that hard, and thinkin it as judo vs bbj, ok judo wud get bbj to the ground but it will always come back
Brewmaster757 3 years ago
True I mean, but Judo has some simple means of ground fighting, I know that most BJJ vs Judo fights BJJ will win most of the time cause it has more of a submission concentration rather then throwing.
apexi957 3 years ago
most of fighter dont use judo cause its mainly take downs, and if you get an "ippon" throw your move and oppenent goes with it and falls flat, the fight is over, there is rarely fights that are taken to the ground so bjj is stronger in grapples, plus in judo the kimono helps a lot but in mma, you aint get any so it can be hard to grab into something,chek KARO PARISYAN he a judok who fights in mma,he pretty good, but i see the points you making,but i dont think any art is better then another
totoro201 3 years ago
Sorry if I offended you, but I just can't handle people saying or suggesting that one martial arts it's better then another.
apexi957 3 years ago
no worry, and besides i just said that sambo was better the bjj to try and start a fire cuz usually people say bjj is better then this and that because they see all those brazilian dudes fighting on mma, so by saying sambo was better i was just trying to piss Brewmaster757 off and then defend sambo with fedor lol but yeah your right none martial art is better then another, some just focus on things that others wont, theres ups and downs
totoro201 3 years ago
in my eyes the more verstatile the better
DanWilsonEngland 3 years ago
This all seems cool but it will never work against boxers xD
natikfanatikfck 4 years ago
Yes it would... legs are longer than arms means plenty of kicks, boxers only attack and protect UPPER BODY and what would a boxer do if he was on the ground. Not to mention these guys can still throw a punch!!
burtdelux 4 years ago
1.i meant boxers generally , including muay thai
kickboxers and boxers
2.because boxer uses his fists in comptitions only
doesnt means he cant use his legs , if he doesnt know how that diffrent
now i we see from your stupid cumment that legs are longer than arms , that you are a moron that knows nothing about boxing or fighting
it is all about speed , legs are very slow.
jujitsu is crap , and no they cant throw a real punch without breaking their hand
boxers knows how to KO even on ground-:]]
natikfanatikfck 4 years ago
there is no need to get all angry and call me a moron and assume that i don't know anything about fighting or boxing..i know legs are slower, but the power from a kick far exceeds the power from a punch(if you disagree pls do not reply). it is not "all about speed" speed is nothing without power.
burtdelux 4 years ago
jiu jitsu is crap? ill knee bar your ass and after you're done screaming like a bitch come back and tell me jiu jitsu is crap.
zar911 4 years ago
obviously your a boxing fan so am i!, but they definetly can't fight on the ground and do not learn how to protect there legs, even muay thai and kickboxing have little or no moves from a ground fighting position.
burtdelux 4 years ago
Go do your karate and jujitso
and get into the ring lol
natikfanatikfck 4 years ago
Boxing is good in the boxing ring but not in MMA. jiu jitsu has dominated boxers. GSP is the welterweight champ in UFC and he does jiu jitsu, karate, and wrestling. In the early UFC jiu jitsu dominated and was found to be the single most effective art for one on one fighting. How much experience do you have in the martial arts? MayWeather said he won't do MMA.
ilikebluejeans89 4 years ago
at the end of the day boxing and mma or anything in ufc are different sports. could go on for hours about the pros and cons of all but won't. I've done judo for close to 12 years, ju jitsu on and of for sbout 5, have tried boxing, karate, tai kwon do, all are good in there own way but just wasn't for me. To be good you should try everything otherwise you end up too narrow-minded and thinking that your art is the best and losing respect for the others.
burtdelux 4 years ago
actually mayweather might do mma, he is friends with mark cuban and there is a posssibility that mayweather could be the centerpiece of a mma franchise cuban plans on owning
itsovabliss 4 years ago
Well I hope hes patient because its prolly gunna take the better part of a decade to get some mediocre grappling skills.
ilikebluejeans89 4 years ago
if he larns how to defend the takedown well (which wont be overly difficult for somone that athletic, and learns a little bit of jiu jitsu, hell prolly be a tough mathcup for anybody
itsovabliss 4 years ago
He would need more than a little jiu jitsu and takedown defense is something you learn over night either.
ilikebluejeans89 4 years ago
takedown defense is a basic skill, what determines how good u are at it is ur athleticism, i think evryone can agree that mayweather is ver athletic
itsovabliss 4 years ago
That is such BS. BJ Penn has very good takedown defense and he is so un athletic. He never trained conditioning for his fights and Matt Hughes (cardio freak and div 1 wrestler) could not take him down. Its all about skill. I agree Mayweather is very athletic but thats not going to make him an MMA champ overnight. He will have to go through years of training just like everyone else.
ilikebluejeans89 4 years ago
dpends how u define athleticism, most ppl define it as not only explosiveness but also as desterity and flexibility, bj penn has pleny of the latter two so IMO hes athletic..look im not saying mayweather will automtically be champ i just think he will do much better than what most of u are saying.
itsovabliss 4 years ago
also im (99% sure) that takedown defense is just sprawilng and getting ure legs away from the guy shooting for the take down..how is that so hard to learn?
itsovabliss 4 years ago
What about a takedown from the clinch? You can't just sprawl from the clinch you need to know how to correct your center of gravity constantly to prevent takedowns. Besides, everyone is going to be looking to take down Mayweather. He needs to have excellent takedown defense. Anyone who stands there and wants to bang with him is an idiot.
Ryan100million 4 years ago
my guess is itsa gonna be pretty hard to get close enough to an undefeated boxer (probably the best of our generation) to get him in a clinch
itsovabliss 4 years ago
Why would it be that hard? Look at his boxing matches, or any for that matter. ALL boxers end up in a clinch during each match. Of course they can't do anything with it, but if it happens with everyone else, its going to happen in MMA.
Ryan100million 4 years ago
hehh lol whatever dude..im not convinced but i guessonly way well find out if mayweather actuall goes into mma
itsovabliss 4 years ago
Sorry, but even a somewhat decent kickboxer can beat a very dangerous boxer. A boxer and fully dimensional striker are on completely different levels when it comes to actual fighting in the standup position or otherwise.
crhh1989 4 years ago
Training takedown defense is more than that.You must keep repeating and training for it because people shoot in at different angles.You watch too much TV,take a class and TRY IT.Its harder than it looks. Randy cotoure dips motherfuckers on their heads that train for takedown defense,so its not as easy as it looks. Are you 99% sure now? lofl!
reneishigh 4 years ago
did wrestling in high school all i rember coach saying was sprawl..wasnt that hard..and before u flame on how shit my level of wrestling was compared to corture, u seriously that mayweather wont be able to defend a take down?
itsovabliss 4 years ago
omg jujitsu is crap? If you take any sort of boxer down. And they have no ground experience they are going to get something broken, and I think that would hinder their KO power. You see it all the time when pro boxers enter MMA and get tapped.
shinoevil1 4 years ago
Dude you are a fucking retard! Take my word for it.
iowabrawler 4 years ago
Whats the name of the song
kovacexperience 4 years ago
AC/DC....Thunderstruck
HelmondeRrijpel 4 years ago
Thx
kovacexperience 4 years ago
R U serious?
fivenine06 4 years ago
That's if that's what they were going for, which it looks like it was. If they were going for an old-school, fancy-moves kung fu movie, with added BJJ and such (but still fancy) then they got it and it looks fun and enjoyable. If they're trying to make it look realistic - they obviously haven't watched any MMA fights, and are putting WAY TOO MUCH emphasis on flashy moves. Still would like to see it :)
skraddypoo 4 years ago
ye i agree any 1 any idea when this film will be realised??
DoomCatcher 4 years ago
this is a new MMA movie called "BEYOND THE RING"
LIMATKD1985CEARA 4 years ago