SA@Takimag - Libertarian or Authoritarian: Which Way GOP?

[therealaj123]

Sanford is in favor of teaching “intelligent design” as science in public schools (see e.g. his interview with David Stanton on Newswatch – WIS – TV – January 29, 2006). Fuck him.

[jamesdav77]

Left - Authoritarian! We must all make this world; the needs of all, over the needs of one!

[megagagnon1]

the founding fathers were on point, they knew the dangers of centralizing power - with a weak central govt and strong states, people can vote with their feet - if michigan is a welfare state and taxes the productive, the productive can walk to texas

[megagagnon1]

we can no longer be the worlds policemen - right or wrong, it really doesn't matter - we're broke, so we need to close the 700 military bases in foreign countries, end the fed, eliminate the dept of education (the worst flop and boondoggle of all time), and decrease the central govt

[MaverickWhig]

The GOP should go neolibertarian (that's right, it exists. I should know, I am one!).

But it seems to me the GOP is trurly going to die.

[rockymountainwest]

"The GOP should go neolibertarian"

Why? We can't afford it... The republican party already has a big problem: you can't mix fiscal conservatism with neo-conservatism because neo-cons want more war spending, which costs a huge amount of money, while fiscal conservatives want LESS spending and less taxes. You can't mix "more spending" with "fiscal conservatism" - it just won't work.

[MaverickWhig]

That's not what neolibertarianism is, also I said the GOP is going to die, so there's no real point in me trying to make go that way.

This is what neolibertarianism is without me having to write you a book: Extremely small domestic government and big in the foreign stage. We also advocate the balancing of national security objectives with the constitution and civil liberties.

We are no neocons, and we are not "pure" (populist) libertarians, we or a melding of right-libs and neocons.

[rockymountainwest]

"This is what neolibertarianism is without me having to write you a book: Extremely small domestic government and big in the foreign stage. We also advocate the balancing of national security objectives with the constitution and civil liberties."

Oh trust me, I understand what they are. That's why I wrote what I wrote. Neo-libertarians are to libertarians as neoconservatives are to conservatives, to be slightly inaccurate. Both favoring military adventurism @ taxpayer expense.

[MaverickWhig]

"Neo-libertarians are to libertarians as neoconservatives are to conservatives"

Essentially. But we are not synonymous with neocons. Just like how Third Way adherents are the neocons of the Democratic Party.

"...military adventurism @ taxpayer expense."

It is not "military adventurism", it's defense. Ever watch Team America? Well it's explained pretty well in that movie (Trey Parker is a registered LP member btw), I'm a dick, anti-war people are pussies, and terrorists are assholes.

[utube9000]

How do you differentiate neo-libertarianism from plain old libertarianism?

[MaverickWhig]

Sort of an old comment you've stumbled upon. I no longer care to call myself neolibertarian or even libertarian anymore. I now believe libertarian, conservative, liberal, centrist, etc. is all fluff.

I now simply call myself an Individualist, as opposed to Collectivist, which seems to be the most popular ideology today.

[lstdy]

Unfortunately, it's looking like the Repubs are gonna put the same 10 up for the primaries in 2012 and pick the wrong one again.

[teron678]

As an Anti-Republican, I can assure you folks no matter which Republican wins the WH, the neo-cons would always find their way into their administration, why? becuz this is a growing fraction of the republican party & their support is needed in order for a Republican Victory. It's sad to say but a majority of Republicans have accepted the neo-con philosophy. The only person who had a chance to reform the Republican Party this year was Ron Paul.

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[mortson978]

youre absolutely right. But why do you consider yourself and anti republican?

[JLowry]

Sanford is questionable. He's a huge cog in the machine that the neocons run.

Trojan horse in my opinion.

[ConfederatePatriot1]

MARK SANFORD!!!

[sexfanatic]

i doubt blacks would vote for Gendal if he ran for president...i know i wouldn't and my ass is a blk as they come lol

[sexfanatic]

i meant Jindal

[Silvsilvchan]

Gary Johnson would also be another good choice. As would Jeff Flake but I don't know if he is old enough.

[rockymountainwest]

"Gary Johnson would also be another good choice. As would Jeff Flake but I don't know if he is old enough. "

Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely a libertarian republican, but isn't Gary Johnson pro-choice? I respect him for his advocacy against marijuana prohibition, but I think if Gary Johnson really is pro-choice, Mark Sanford's pro-life libertarian approach will be more persuasive with the Republican base. (Not to mention being pro-life is a good thing in and of itself.)

[Honkyrappa]

I'm worried about Sanford's pro-McCain and pro-Bilderberg approach.

[ed2point0]

Worry not, he denounced Bilderberg when I last checked and even denounced McCain's amnesty apporoach.

[bittergunowner12]

I don't think social issues are going to matter to the GOP base in 4 years.... when Obama bankrupts us.

[brazensteel]

Neocons = Jews and their gentile supplicants.

[Yodaismycopilot]

Great vid, southernavenger!

God, Jindal is an asshole.

Sanford/Paul 2012!

[HarryNRubin]

thats who i was thinkin of lol

[HarryNRubin]

great video!

[ThePaleoConservative]

I am on board with Mark Sanford in 2012!

I would love to work for him in the coming years.

[lyden2006]

Indian dude taking a chair in Louisiana. Good times, good times.

[pdmajors]

Jindal supports RealID? Thanks SA - I always learn something when I watch our channel.

[PizzaGod]

I wish Stanford would run in 2012, I will work just has hard for him as I did for Paul in the last 2 years.

[lyden2006]

They'll never learn..

[cgraham1930]

hmm, sanford, eh? i grew up in louisiana, and heard about some of the good things jindal is doing economically with our state, but i didn't know he was for REAL ID, and all that other stuff. I'll have to check out this sanford character, but i doubt a presidential nomination is in his future...unless he runs with the libertarian party...we saw what good that did for Barr.

[frankreally]

Republican compromise over the decades have brought to the point we are today. When good compromise with evil, evil wins. And when evil compromises with good, evil still wins. You can compromise tour way to tyranny. But you will never compromise your way to liberty.

The only Republican worth a dime is Ron Paul.

[lyden2006]

You'd like to think that Ron Paul is a real big help. Strategically minded people realize he's not doing anything but helping those he claims to dislike. Hell, look what he did with all your money. Gave it right over to the government controlled media just to show how much of a dumbass you are!

..and so are the people who thumbed you up!

[Amy31415]

I like the cut of your jib, SA--I could get behind Mark Sanford for sure.

Five stars.

[Reggie1971]

The videos assertion that Bobby Jindal's election would amount to nothing more than an affirmative action hire reveal the commentator's ignorance about the man. Bobby's stellar academic background, his intelligence, his accomplishments at a young age are barely given any consideration at all. Bobby got to where he was through talent and hard work. Do some actual research and in the future you might avoid making videos that amount to nothing more than smear jobs.

[steve0281]

So he was a good student. So he works hard. He still supports the war and Real ID. He can apply his stellar talents in another field, not politics.

[Reggie1971]

Nope, keep him in politics and make him POTUS. BTW, which war are you talking about? The war that has essentially been won in Iraq?

[steve0281]

He has been a positive change over the previous Governor of the Bayou State. If the war in Iraq has been won it is news to me.

No to Real ID and no to spreading democracy by the sword.

[shiftstart]

Reggie1971: Even Boby Jindal has suggested that the GOP must become more moderate on key political issues. Thats key word for moving to the left. He understands very well he can't win the support of his base. This is all about power grabbing and nothing more. As SA suggested, Boby Jindal is the GOPs Obama. And no one cares about his accomplishments. Everyone in D.C. has some great accomplishments, Boby Jindal is no different.

[Reggie1971]

Everyone in DC does not have "great accomplishments" (What are Obama's?). As far as not being able to win the support of his base, I'm not quite sure what you mean. Is it because he isn't white? Jindal was elected governor of a deep south state that not too many years before saw David Duke get the majority of the white vote in a race for governor.

[Reggie1971]

Moderate rhetoric? Virtually everytime I've heard him he speaks of solid conservative principles. Newt Gingrich is a huge fan of his. Rush Limbaugh has called him the next Ronald Reagan. How much more conservative does he need to be?

[shiftstart]

Newt The Fatbag Gingrich is a huge fan of all neo-cons big and small who stay in compliance with the status quo. Might I suggest using another credible source other than Rush Limbaugh? Like an old history book paid by your local taxpayer dollars. Last time I checked Limbaugh was in lockstep with all that is George W Bush. Dont let talk radio to rot your brain. These Washingtonian agents get paid big bucks so you stay loyal to mainstream hype.

[Reggie1971]

Lumping Jindal in with Bush-McCain style conservatism is prepostorous. Where in this video is evidence that Bobby Jindal is supportive of the reckless path of federal spending that Bush took? What about his difference with Bush on illegal immigration? The video alludes to it, but only in passing as if it's a relatively inconsequential issue. Bobby is a brilliant true conservative who happens to be of Indian heritage. Hopefully he will be our nominee in 2012.

[lyden2006]

Don't make it trivial. Look at the larger scope of things.

[Illuminarch]

Outstanding commentary, SA! I'm glad to see more people are noticing the obvious identity politics, supposedly hateful to Republicans, in the support of Jindal, not to mention his odious politics. The conservatives who recoil at the mention of libertarianism need to realize that liberty is a birth right and that their attempts to control the lives of others will be used against them. Morality requires free choice, it must come from persuasion, not coercion.

[Rememberthe0511]

Real ID...... This man MUST go.

[shiftstart]

Jack: The reason why GOP will not move towards a traditional conservative position is because there is no power in that. Liberalism has corrupted everything and its been out of control for many years now. Once GOP tasted power during the Reagan years, and the only way they can have more power is to become more "Moderate". Also people in this country dont like to vote for a puritan even though he might be the best choice. Voters are so dirty that they feel shame listing to a puritan speak.

[dtaijo174]

couldn't agree more! Keep it up SA!!!

[laviciousness]

Thing with Libertarians is that traditionally, they've wanted no restrictions on immigration. Their view was that the Founders didn't implement any, so why should we?

[Illuminarch]

"Some" libertarians are open-borders, and I would say that most of those are referring to the ideal of complete private property, where everyone is either an owner, guest, or trespasser. There is no libertarian argument for an uninhibited "right to move around" or anything like that, and many, like anarchist philosopher Hans Hoppe, have argued extensively against open borders.

[MagnusIan]

I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries.

This country needs more Libertarianism.

[laviciousness]

Classic Libertarianism seeks unrestricted free trade and unrestricted immigration. Are you sure you want that?

[willyrobinson]

unrestricted immigration? Provide me some CLASSICAL liberals who advocate that something PUHLEEEEEEZE.

they were for sovereignty which means that citizenship has privileges which include liberty to control who if any are allowed entrance into your land.

[natesohl]

The Republican Party was formed to stomp out state's rights under the foot of "Unity" and "Majority Rule" now it goes back to its roots at the worst possible time in history!

[803honda]

the gop(party of bush, grahmnesty, and lincoln!) can go to the devil!

they are like the family dog gone rabid; you once loved it but its time put it out of its misery before it hurts you or your children again.

[Billyothon]

but how can they do that when the "devil" is a democrat?

[803honda]

its easy for them. they havent mutch of a soul to begin with. they constantly forsake everything they suposedly belive in for money and imperial power. at least the democrats tell ya how they gonnarew you up front.

[RMMHS4RP]

Opposing the REAL ID and bailouts is wonderful, but what do we know about Sanford's foreign policy ideas?

[RevolutionaryJam]

the GOP is burying itself

[GoneGeechee]

'Contract with a American' another false hope from a minority group. What happened to the last Contract with America? It was nothing more then a political slant to begin to polarize americans. And like before, a new contract with America would yield the same results....nothing but another lie.

[GoneGeechee]

Your support of nonnatives continues, now your a Sanford supporter. Give it up on Ron Paul and libertarian ideas. Libertarians are left of left, so quite trying to confuse the people SA. 'Whatever makes you feel good Republicanism' is the motto of the conservative libertarians aka another political minor group. You are starting to sound just like the minority groups you attack. Its time to go drinking and jiving again. Better yet, why don't you go back to the centralist ideas that made you.

[8DoverNJ]

Keep this message going SA. Well said.

[Eisenmond]

Excellent case... this is exactly why I am skeptical about Jindahl... For the reasons you mention, the GOP may need more than 2-4 years to heal...

[KarateKidX]

Please stop confusing Conservatism with libertarianism.

Libertarians stand for something and libertarianism isn't changing

Conservatism is based off what's old and what's new, and was originally(more than 200 years ago mind you) an euphemism for conserving the stateism as opposed to the libertarian liberals.

[ZombieX13]

Bloodshed is the only way.

[whoo689]

Ron Paul is only a libertarian insofar as he believes in civil liberties, ending the war on drugs, noninterventionism, and laissez-faire economics. But he's far from a complete libertarian since he does NOT believe in the separation of church and state and is very socially conservative otherwise. It's a weird dichotomy if you ask me. His hawkish stance on immigration mirrors that of Tom Tancredo's, which frightens me. But at least he's much less authoritarian than the rest of the GOP.

[whoo689]

One of Paul's ads on the campaign trail in 2007-2008 said that he wanted to actually ban allowing immigration from countries whose GOVERNMENTS (not the people, per se) sponsor terrorism. It's kind of bigoted and jumping the gun if you ask me, assuming that either everyone from that country is automatically a terrorist or that extreme profiling is needed "just to be on the safe side." Why should good foreigners be prevented from emigration just b/c of a few bad apples in the gov't?

[whoo689]

I had hoped Western society evolved and matured beyond this method of punishing the whole just b/c of the mistakes of a few. But, unfortunately, we're just as ridiculous as ever on that front.

[whoo689]

The funny thing is that neither party really has a claim on maximizing freedom. While the Republicans say they want more economic freedom, they couple this with wanting Americans to have LESS social freedoms, the odd couple as I call it. Democrats, OTOH, want more social liberty but less economic. The only people who truly want to maximize individual liberty are liberartarians. Anyone else Democrat or Republican claiming to be one is probably a phony, plain and simple. Even Paul isn't one.

[whoo689]

I don't get how the GOP can continue to say it supports "individual liberty" when so many of its stances on social issues are radically authoritarian. They wanna ban gay marriage, some with a federal amendment. They wanna ban abortion, euthanasia for VERY sick patients (even if the patients asked for it), and much more heavily favor the idiotic, asinine War on Drugs that treats possessers and simple users the same as drug traffickers. It also restricts the right to consume whatever you want

[printo69]

Gary Johnson, Mark Sanford, Barry Goldwater Jr, I would love to see these men take an active role in the GOP reconstruction. Johnson & Goldwater are retired from politics but these men need to get back in. Theyre what the GOP needs. Either the GOP becomes more libertarian or they become a minority party that will never have power again.

[steve0281]

I have checked the GOP website and they are clueless as to what a good number of people who would normally vote Republican if they would change their ways. I cannot help but think that either they or someone else who is controlling them wants to leed us down a predetermined path.

[Jackthemeat]

I found it hard to masturbate to this video but the SA brings up a good point. 5 stars!!

[ubuibiok]

*****

[mvega]

Hi Southern Avenger,

Would I be correct to assume that you are a fan of Ronald Reagan? But wasn't Ronald Reagan an FDR democrat who was far from fiscally Conservative and who had an intrusive foreign policy (i.e. Lebanon, Deals with Iran, Grenada, sabre rattling at the Soviet Union etc.)? Is it possible to be a true conservative and a fan of Reagan at the same time?

[garyjohnson2012]

Are you aware that Reagan regretted especially the Lebanon decision and wrote it was his biggest mistake? He did bring them back. Have you even heard Bush acknowledge a mistake and with Lebanon it was only a bit more than a hundred men, in Iraq 5000 plus pus how many Iraqis! Reagan changed his views many years ago and spoke in 1964 during Goldwater's campaign.

[vryheid88]

Are you aware that Reagan regretted especially the Lebanon decision and wrote it was his biggest mistake? He did bring them back. Have you even heard Bush acknowledge a mistake and with Lebanon it was only a bit more than a hundred men, in Iraq 5000 plus pus how many Iraqis! Reagan changed his views many years ago and spoke in 1964 during Goldwater's campaign.

[steve0281]

Check out the Avenger's piece on Reagan.

[garyjohnson2012]

Jack: Are you aware Ron Paul may still run in 2012 and will make a decision in mid 2009. Gary Johnson has already indicated interest.

I love your videos and insights and agree Sanford would also be good. He was in Ron Paul's "Liberty Caucus" while in congress and took a strong stance on the bailout etc.

[nowaveshow]

Wrong!! Obama's ideas attracted many people. There's no way he would win a state like indiana if he truly was an empty shell. Again you underestimate obama as a leader with ideas who will attempt to help his country thru a difficult period in it's history. It's also an insult to those who supported obama if you really think his race, and charisma. Sarah Palin was the empty shell with no ideas and a bundle of partisan talking points her handlers made her memorize. Thats dumbing down politics

[garyjohnson2012]

Wrong: The Republican governor won by far. McCain lost Indiana because many conservatives stayed home, they would not vote for him. Ron Paul fared well in the primaries there. What new ideas with hope and change did Obama offer specifically? Almost nothing, but a lot of rhetorics. Palin was not even mentioned int his video, yet you make if she was the topic here. Sanford has accomplished much more than Obama and they are the same age.

[southernavenger]

roberteckerson, I adore Gary Johnson. A choice between Mark Sanford and Gary Johnson, both in a Republican primary? I only wish I would have to actually choose between two stellar candidates, as opposed to praying for at least one genuine conservative amongst the typical neocon GOP cabal.

Jack

[garyjohnson2012]

I would favor Gary Johnson above Mark Sanford though: we know where he stands regarding foreign policy and monetary policy as well. I also think Johnson may have a stronger appeal among Independents and some Democrats than Sanford.

[roberteckerson]

You're right Jack, but I disagree on the Gov., go with Gary Johnson. Those of us outside the old south are ready for someone from the west.

[tattypatty]

Jindal is a mistake. His endorsement of the teaching of intelligent design is an embarrassment.

[oneviwatara]

Bush and Barack Hussein Obama is the real mistake. LOL!

[ferrozm]

a dream team republican primary: Ron Paul, Mark Sanford or Gary "veto" Johnson.

[southernavenger]

metalmike, I know Sanford is no neocon and voted closer to Ron Paul than any other member of Congress. I pray his foreign policy instincts are as practical as his fiscal ones. In short - he's no warmonger as a habit, which is good news considering the predisposition of many of his fellow Republicans.

Jack

[widgit007]

Has the southern avenger thought about running for office? The GOP and "conservative" movement in general could do with his brand of honesty and thoughtfulness.

[Aristotle100]

Libertarianism FTW

[laviciousness]

The purist Libertarian view on narcotics is that there should be no restrictions on drug use, no matter what drug. Are we ready for this?

[steve0281]

Why not? There was a time in America when a five year old could walk into a drug store and buy heroin, codeine, or cocaine. Now they can do it on the street. It is here and it is now. It is time to relegitimize it.

[amartin7889]

Yes.

[Aristotle100]

I think we are.

[edAVP1138]

The real question seems to be: Republic or Empire?