Man and Woman are repeated each 33 times according to this video, and let's not forget, brothers and sisters, that man and woman each have 23 chromosomes in their DNA in order to be able to make a baby , with 46 chromosomes in total.
@wizard99uk there are much more miracles in quran yet to be discovered.all this matematical symetry would not mean anything 400 years ago because in that time all of this would be nothing but a speculations. first there must be a scientific explanation for everithing and only then the facts like this are geting a true meaning.
that is just a way we people function. nothing is worth whitout scientific explanation.
@jefeisdguard "Never was word “allah” used to mean GOD from OT or NT."
Your in denial my friend. pick up a arabic bible. As a matter of fact the churches in palestine have "In the name of ALLAH the most benificient the most merciful" on them.
Do YOU even know what you are saying? These are petty human errors.
This is so petty & not worth discussing. You find human errors & deliberately ignore that I mentioned there are NO errors in GODS words Jesus spoke in the New Testament thru Jesus.
The quran does NOT speak thru God & has countless such errors & contradictions
Thus he refused to surrender his quran to Uthman to be burnt as he said:
“The prophet taught me to recite 70 Surahs which I had mastered before Zaid had even become a muslim. How can you order me to recite the readings of Zaid, when I recited from the very mouth of the prophet some 70 Surahs? Am I to abandon what I acquired …”
@jefeisdguard "Thus he refused to surrender his quran to Uthman to be burnt as he said:"
Maybe you need to read the rest of the story.
Ibn Abi Dawud records Musab ibn Sad ibn Abi Waqqas to have testified: "I saw the people assemble in large number at Uthman's burning of the proscribed copies; not a one spoke out against him." Ali commented, "If I were in command in place of Uthman, I would have done the same." [Zarkashi]
@jefeisdguard "Are YOU saying the Arabic allah from the bible gave Isaac a covenant?"
I already addressed this issue with what encyclodia Judicia had to say on that issue. The Jews changed the name to Isaac for their own purposes. Read about the reception of the Jews of medina to Muhammad (May peace and blessings be upon him) and read about their whole reason for being in Medina.
Just like in the quran, there are countless similar petty contradictions b/c these are HUMAN errors copied from copies from copies.
You disregard my challenge in that I asked for proof of errors in solely the words o f Jesus from the New Testament. These words are perfect & w/o errors. In fact, Islam calls Jesus a LIAR. Suar 4:157 CONFLICTS w/Matt 26:2 & Matt 20:19
Among others mentioned is Ubayy ibn Ka’b who, also compiled a separate codex of the quran before it was destroyed by Uthman. Zaid ibn Thabit was NOT in this list which shows conclusively that Muhammad regarded Ibn Mas’ud & Ibn Ka’b as far better.
When Uthman became the Caliph, he appointed Zaid Ibn Thabit to reconstruct the quran manuscripts known as the Zaid Codex. The quran today is based upon Zaid Codex & not on other codices already in existence but were burnt
@jefeisdguard "Zaid ibn Thabit was NOT in this list which shows conclusively that Muhammad regarded Ibn Mas’ud & Ibn Ka’b as far better."
The Zaid mushaf was derived from theirs except where they differed with everyone elses. The majority ruled in collecting Quran. The readings of Ibn Masud and Ubai had to be abandoned so we wouldn't become like the christians differing about the scripture.
@jefeisdguard "Why shouldn’t this “book” mean the bible? I’d say it does!"
"It is He Who has sent down the Book to you (Muhammad SAW) with truth, confirming what came before it. And he sent down the Torah and the Injeel (Evangelion). " (Quran 3:3)
"Only Muhsin Khan translates this to mean the quran. All others say “book”
Okay? wass your point?
"There is NO other reference to the quran this way."
Quran 3:3,18:1, 62:2, 19:51,19:54,19:56,7:2, 31:2, 40:2, want me to keep going?
Re: Just answer the question, theres a reason i asked this. What desert was it?
Moses crossed the Red Sea & was in the area around Mt Sinai.
Moses’ journey was different than that of Abraham. Abraham, Ishmael & Hagar NEVER went into Saudi Arabia hence NEVER went to Mecca to help build the pagan temple now called the Ka’aba
Re: And no the version that was used most during the prophets time WAS zaid/hafsa reading. which is why it was chosen
Actually NO! Mas’uds version was already being used in Kufa, Iraq
You say “1,700 variants are within the same codex”? But THEY ARE STILL DIFFERENT!
The quran seven really were NOT on the same page. Remember the soldiers of Iraq & Syria accused the other of lying. So what type of fecal matter are you shoveling here?
@jefeisdguard "Actually NO! Mas’uds version was already being used in Kufa, Iraq"
What does kufa,iraq hav to do with Mecca and medina? they may very well hav used ibn masuds in Iraq. But Muhammad (May peace and blessings be upon him) wasn't in Iraq. The version they used in Mecca and medina is the one he recited the most.
Abdullah bin Mas’ud was mentioned before Abdullah bin Amr who said,
“That is a man I still love, as I heard the prophet (saw) saying, ‘Learn the recitation of the quran from four:
From Abdullah bin Ms’ud – he started with him – Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa, Mu’adh bin Jabal & Ubai bin Ka’b. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol 5, p. 96)
Muhammad regarded Ibn Mas’ud as the foremost authority on the quran
@jefeisdguard ", ‘Learn the recitation of the quran from four:
From Abdullah bin Ms’ud – he started with him – Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa, Mu’adh bin Jabal & Ubai bin Ka’b. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol 5, p. 96)"
yep and those are all different readings as the Quran was revealed in seven readings. Now ibn Masub is a reading that was abandoned. I dunno if Salim read differently but Ubai was a different reading And Muadth ibn Jabals was the same as Zaids. They all learned from Muhammad.
@jefeisdguard "There is NO proof to anything written in the quran! Havent I explained that? The quran is itself a circular fallacy! The lies within it are countless!"
Everything in the Quran is proven. But you don't want to accept any proof that supports Quran which is understandable being that you are a christian. But you are throwing stones from a glass house. There are many lies and as you call them "human errors" in the bible. Many canons and many authors. You cannot compare the 2.
@jefeisdguard umm the missing book isn't hard to find....google or youtube "banned books from the bible"...the qurans accoun t of jesus is told in that book.
@jefeisdguard Why get mad because we only want to follow the 1st commandment and worship God without a middleman? why get mad at us because we know a man can NEVER be God or his son?
What would you think if I told you that Islam has GOOFED big time when the scribes didnt copy the bible correctly & ADDED their own vices & thinking in the quran w/o proof! Example?
Jesus PROPHESIED He will be CRUCIFIED & resurrected in many biblical verses. I'll give you two. Matt 26:2 & Matt 20:19
Islam UPS & puts out there a verse calling Jesus a LIAR! Sura 4157
@jefeisdguard actually the bible says he did not get crucified... "For the scriptures say ‘He will order his angels to protect and guard you.
11 And they will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.’” (Luke 4:10-12) 14 "Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.
15 He will call upon me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him. (Psalms 91 14-15)
IF JESUS wanted 2B protected, then YES, the angels of heaven would’ve saved Him, but in doing so all prophesies in the bible re: Jesus’ crucifixion would’ve been a LIE!
Sura 4:157, created 600 yrs after bible was written contradicts words of Jesus.
@jefeisdguard So your saying Jesus didn't want to be protected?
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].(Mathew 26:39)
No, YOU would NEVER call the FAKE QURANIC JESUS A LIAR ... but YOU are calling the REAL biblical Jesus a liar.
Are YOU getting this? Is this sinking in? Islam has CREATED their very own JESUS & Gospel!
Think about it! Sura 4:157 wasnt even around when Jesus walked this earth!
Not one muslim can find an error or contradiction on SOLELY the words of Jesus in the NT: YET you are eager to call Jesus a liar on the perfect words of GOD by which Jesus speaks on His behalf!
@jefeisdguard No like i say again im calling the authors of the bible liars. The gospel of James,thomas and many other apocryphal biblical books support the quranic jesus. all that god in the flesh stuff is just roman paganism.
Re: No like i say again im calling the authors of the bible liars.
So, what ur saying is that these books authors are unknown b/c Islams indoctrination methods TOLD u they were YET U cant find errors in Jesus’ words of GOD Himself from these books so U still would rather believe the verses in an unestablished unproven & unauthentic quran written by mere men 600 yrs after the bible?
HOW DO YOU KNOW THOSE WORDS ARE TRUE?
WHERES UR PROOF? How can U explain the lies within the quran?
Respond to this video...ELIAS TRULY SHALL FIRST COME, AND RESTORE ALL THINGS. BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT ELIAS IS COME ALREADY, AND THEY KNEW HIM NOT,...THEN THE DISCIPLES UNDERSTOOD THAT HE SPAKE UNTO THEM OF JOHN THE BAPTIST."(Matthew 17:11-13)
"AND THIS IS THE RECORD OF JOHN,"(the Baptist) ........"AND THEY ASKED HIM, WHAT THEN? ART THOU ELIAS? AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT.""ART THOU THAT PROPHET? AND HE ANSWERED, NO."(John 1:21)
@jefeisdguard If you knew anything you would know that in Muhammad (May peace and blessings be upon him) time him and his followers never called themselves muslims as a distinguished religion. It was a very general term. But ppl like you who wanted to seperate him from the old religion needed somehing to call us. They used to call us Muhammadedns. We accepted the name muslims as a label because this is the word the Quran uses to describe worshippers of God. Any1 who submitted to God was a muslim
RE: this refutes the crucifixtion. its clear from psalms that IF HE DESIRED he wouldn't even hit his foot on a stone.
The only thing refuted here is ur inept attempt at reading & understanding any scriptural verses!
What is crystal clear is that Islam has NO foundation, No witnesses, No proof & that Muhammad was NEVER sanctioned by God b/c Ishmaels seed was NEVER called by God!
@jefeisdguard Islam doesn't own how your supposed to pray? what about the jewish doctrine?what if they and every other prophet including Jesus prayed the way we do?
Re: your contradicting yourself. You said the verses from psalms saying how the angels would protect him was only if he wanted protection. i show you proof that he wanted protection. now you say he was only a man its natural for him to want
Why don’t U read the verses all the way thru? Cant U read?
Matt 26:41 … the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
@jefeisdguard When Jesus became human, Jesus was immersed in all that is HUMAN! Including temptation, pain, hunger & Death.
your contradicting yourself. You said the verses from psalms saying how the angels would protect him was only if he wanted protection. i show you proof that he wanted protection. now you say he was only a man its natural for him to want protection....this refutes the crucifixtion. its clear from psalms that IF HE DESIRED he wouldn't even hit his foot on a stone.
@jefeisdguard What are you talking about? i just did bring it. You try to expalain it away as a mistranlation or incomprehensible and thats what you'll do with every one i bring. Be true to yourself.
Elijah is the eschatological herald of the Messiah. John the Baptist and Jesus were asked if they were the incarnation of Elijah. Elijah (Elias) NEVER died but was taken up to heaven in a chariot. That is how close he was to God. John the Baptist had that same ZEAL & Jesus says so in Matt 11:14
@jefeisdguard Always some beat around the bush explanation for the nonsense in the bible. i can only tell you what the verses clearly say. Christian scholars have been confused with these "dark sayings of jesus" for a long time. I guess what you say is the latest explanation.
Re: Yes the disciples and everyone else WERE muslims
WRONG! What is it about the FUZZY ISLAMIC MATH don’t you understand?
How can Abraham or Adam be muslims when there were NO muslims around back then? Muslms began to appear 1,400 yrs ago! This is a lie! DO YOU UNDERSTAND? A lie!
There were NO muslims, NO Christians only non-believers, paganists, atheists, idol worshippers & those who believed in ELOHIM = plural for GOD
Re: No christians wrote the Quranyou have to do better than that.
Muhammad had many write revelations for him. Some did not convert others ran away & those who became apostates after writing Islamic revelations were KILLED!
Hadiths Tabari VIII:178/Ishaq:550
Abdallah bin Sa’d used to write down Quran Revelations, became an apostate, rejected Islam & was slain by Muhammad
Re: We accepted the name muslims as a label because this is the word the Quranuses to describe worshippers of God. Any1 who submitted to God was a muslim
Fine. You are a muslim or a mohammadian, whatever. Just UNDERSTAND the lie within the quran. Jesus, disciples, prophets & Adam WERE NOT MUSLIMS!
The word “muslim” & “muslims” in general didn’t appear until Muhammad was old.
The quran lied. This includes Sura 4:157. Your Sura is a lie & the words of Jesus are true.
@jefeisdguard Yes the disciples and everyone else WERE muslims....let m ask you this then..based on your philosophy what was Abraham,Heber,Noah and Lot to be called? Jews or chrisitians? my point exactly.
@jefeisdguard sry you aren't making any sense ...so you admit that we are the only ones who pray correctly. cus christians damn sure don't pray like we do anymore. and really nonone prays like we do anymore. And like i said "MUSLIM" is a general word or it was. thats like saying "Adam and Abraham submitted to Gods will" which they did. They were muslims.
Re: Islam doesn't own how your supposed to pray? what about the jewish doctrine?what if they and every other prophet including Jesus prayed the way we do?
Of course they don’t BUT ISLAM CONTENDS THEY DO!
Only Islam has purported to claim ANYONE WHO SUBMITS 7 PROSTRATES IS A MUSLIM!
Now how stupid & arrogant is a comment like that?
That is deceitful. That is like saying anyone who eats vegetables is a vegetarian!
@jefeisdguard How do you know how the ancient jews and jesus prayed? there are many references to them prostrating face down on the ground. that is how we pray.
Re: u try to expalain it away as a mistranlation or incomprehensible & thats what you'll do w/every one i bring. Be true to yourself.
Sorry? Only muslims mistranslate biblical verses.
How can any muslim be true to himself/herself if they cant answer how Muhammad is a bonafide prophet?
After all, Ishmaels SEED was NEVER called by God! Hence Muhammad was never sanctioned by God! & Muhammad ONLY to spoke to an angel NEVER to God Himself, like all other prophets! Muhammad was fake.
@jefeisdguard No that wasn't a mistranslation. it was repeating a CLEAR contradiction. Jesus says Johns Elijah according to disciples. John says clearly he wasn't Elijah. but we can move on from that. Yes Ishmael was promised a great nation. God never spoke to any of his messengers directly except Moses. You really are giving me a headache.
You are misguided here. You have told some Whoppers OF LIES!
Muslims, quran, allah & Islam did NOT exist during the time of Jesus, want to know why?
B/c Muhammad didn’t either! B/c Ishmael was NEVER sanctioned by God! Why don’t MUSLIMS “submit” themselves to this truth? God called the seed of Isaac NOT Ishmael! Read very carefully Genesis 17:18-20 then Genesis 21:12
Proves ALL PROPHETS after Abraham CAME FROM ISAAC!
Means Islam is a FALSE religion. The brainchild of Satan
@jefeisdguard God told Abraham to sacrafice his firstborn...which was Ishmael. Ishmael was circumcised 13 yrs b4 isaac was born. As far as "Allah" its funny because thats the God translates into in the Arabic bible. There is "ALLAH" all throughout.
Re: And like i said "MUSLIM" is a general word or it was. thats like saying "Adam and Abraham submitted to Gods will" which they did. They were muslims.
BS! Wrong! Muslims were NOT around past Muhammads BIRTH!
Why are YOU stating a lie? Did this “general” term MUSLIM exist during the time of Jesus? Well?
If it did why isn’t this word in the Torah? Bible? Why isn’t the words Islam, Muhammad or quran?
@jefeisdguard You sure? Muslim, Islam and Shalom come from the same root. Of course if you knew any o the holy languages you would know that. Didn't Jesus submit to god? o but let you tell it jesus WAS god.
@jefeisdguard I don't trust christians scholars...but when someone admits something its not a matter of trust or not. No christians wrote the Quran you have to do better than that. The hadith you qoute refers to Jabr the scribe. But you forget the rest of the hadih where he is punished for what he said.
Re: so you admit that we are the only ones who pray correctly
Are YOU daft? Man prays in whatever HE feels like it INSIDE himself. That is praying correctly. There is NO doubt that any individual who experiences the power of God surrounding him will get down on their hands & knees even thos who are physically unable to do so, but again that is according to each individual.
Islam does NOT own any manner by which a man prays.
Mumineen1, where does this leave Islam? Muhammd? If U can NOT prove Ishmael was called or had a covenant w/God; then all biblical verses that suggestably mean to portray Muhammd are false insincere insidious ASSUMPTIONS!
Islam has gone out of its way to promote a HUGE lie!
Mumineen1, IF U CANT PROVE ISHMAEL WAS SANCTIONED BY GOD IN THE OT, then this means all muslims including you have failed to abide, failed to “submit” but have rebelled against His word, Gods commands.
@jefeisdguard I just proved it...And he said, Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and get you into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering on one of the mountains which I will tell you of." (Genesis 22:2) now we all know Ishmael was older then Isaac by 13 yrs...so this i s a clear contradiction. The sacraficial child was the "ONLY CHILD" which was ishmael.
@jefeisdguard 11When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.Galatians 2:11-21
This and many of pauls other writings prove that the disciples were on a different program contrary to his new "worship christ" doctrine.
@jefeisdguard The followers of Abrahams religion always prayed like we pray today. It is the way God commanded us to pray. anything outside of that is outside of that.
@jefeisdguard I just told you that the word "ALLAH" is all throughout the arabic version of the bible and has been since b4 Muhammad (May peace and blessings be upon him) also it is in the Aramaic one as well.
Re: followers of Abrahams religion always prayed like we pray today. It is the way God commanded us to pray.
You are NOT paying attention to what I am saying.
PAY ATTENTION!
There are over 300 million gods since islam was founded. Men have prayed to their respective deities in many ways including prostration & submission. Islam cant possibly THINK all are muslim!
Just b/c someone prostrates or submits does NOT mean they are muslim! This includes all prophets.
@jefeisdguard Islam calls for the submission to the only real one true God. Anyone who worships the one tru god of the Israelites and prays the way we pray and makes NO distinction between the messengers was and is a MUSLIM!
@jefeisdguard I told you already the word Islam comes from the root of the word Shalom. Also the word "qaraa" in hebrew which means to "read: or "recite" is found in Isaih prophesizing the 1st revelation of Quran. "Qaraa" is the hebrew eqiuvalent of "Iqra" which means the same thing. And they both have a common root with "Quran" which means the recital. u ask why he wasn't in the bible? he was and still is...who is the prophet LIKE MOSES from thier brethren prophesized in deuteronomy?
@jefeisdguard What do you mean Ishmael didn't have a covenant?
"What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation." (Genesis 21:17-21)
Nothing was great about them til Islam....
"Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. " (Genesis 21 17-21)
Re: u ask why he wasn't in the bible? […] who is the prophet LIKE MOSES from thier brethren prophesized in deuteronomy?
DO NOT SIDE STEP THE MAIN ISSUE HERE.
Who cares about Duet? If YOU cant prove Ishmael had a covenant with God where God called on his SEED, what does it matter if Muhammad is found in the bible?
That would be a lie! Why do YOU think it is so easy to debunk all muslims when they bring out any biblical verse that allegedly states Muhammad was in the bible?
@jefeisdguard what do you mean "Who cares about Duet?"..shouldn't you? thats part of the torah. and i've proven over and over again that ishmael had a covenant.
@jefeisdguard what contradictions? the verse from psalms which says he wont be harmed. and the prayer in luke where he prays to escape the crucifixion. You keep avoiding that topic.
@jefeisdguard The Quran has more basis then the bible. It is still in the language it was revealed in for starters. Now your paran in israel is something they invented when the state of israel became a state. That valley was never named paran before.Same with your baca. And yes Abraham and Hagar traveled to Arabia. The land wasn't unknown it was actually promised to Abrahams descendants.
@jefeisdguard Esau lost his 1st born rights do to deception. You are alledging Ishmael lost them just because. God had a reason to allow them to be taken to the desert. From there his house would be biult and the last prophet would arrive from their.
Esau lost his firstborn rights b/c Esau SOLD them to Jacob for a bowl of soup! Deception? Maybe. Arguable too. Esau was hungry & his priorities were skewed. At the moment his hunger was more important than any inheritance.
Ishmael & Hagar NEVER went thru the desert but wandered in the WILDERNESS OF BEERSHEBA. Means Ishmael NEVER went to Mecca to build any Ka’aba.
@jefeisdguard Either way Esau gave his birthright away. Yacub didn't take anything from him even though God willed for Yacub to inherit the blessing. but you claim God took Ishmaels birthright when Duet 21 says the 1st borns birthright isn't to be taken. Meanwhile you say:
@jefeisdguard 4:157 isn't calling Jesus a liar but its calling the authors of the bible liars i said this already. Hebrews 5:7 clearly says he will be saved from death. If he was ressurected then hewasn't saved from death since he DIED b4 he came bac. Where is your logic in saying worshipping God alone without any partners is blasphemous as opposed to worshipping him along with 2 other parters and claiming one is his son?
Re: How can he be a human if he was the son of God? so your saying god is a human? How can he be a human and also be God? Do you listen to yourself?
Listen to myself? Do YOU listen to YOURself? You confess & admit YOU & all of Islam have given GOD limitations? You believe God canNOT do the IMPOSSIBLE?
You believe in a GOD that only does things by human thinking? Islamic thinking? The Islamic way? Is this how YOU desire God to be? By ur propaganda?
Re: and according to Psalms, it states that he will be protected and won't even hurt his foot on a stone. And this is 'The Father" speaking in psalms.....so again another contradiction
You LOVE the word “contradiction”, don’t you?
Your reasoning doesn’t make sense. Your zeal to try & defend Islam is going nowhere.
Jesus is well protected BUT only when He wants it or when it is needed BUT it will NEVER be needed! Jesus does NOT need angels when He is God!
James would later echo this truth when he wrote that “faith without works is dead” (James 2:26). The lesson of the fig tree is that we should bear spiritual fruit (Galatians 5:22-23), not just give an appearance of religiosity. God judges fruitlessness, and expects that those who have a relationship with Him will “bear much fruit” (John 15:5-8).
The presence of a fruitful fig tree was considered to be a symbol of blessing and prosperity for the nation of Israel. Likewise, the absence or death of a fig tree would symbolize judgment and rejection. Symbolically, the fig tree represented the spiritual deadness of Israel, who while very religious outwardly with all the sacrifices and ceremonies, were spiritually barren because of their sins. By cleansing the Temple and cursing the fig tree, causing it to whither and die
First, Abraham is a man. He was in charge of his people his family, like a king. Unlike Muhammad who had countless wives, concubines, sex slaves & sex captives even marrying a child & his daughter-in-law Abraham had a wife who gave permission for her husband to do her maid-in-waiting.
David is a KING & was PUNISHED by God for the murders he committed.
Next LOT, was NOT a prophet like Ishmael was NOT a prophet
@jefeisdguard I advise you friend to not read those so called Hadiths, there all manmade. Read the Quran and you will see by what I mean, not manmade books made by so called Imaams hundreds of years after Prophet Muhammed (PBUH). They Hadiths are made up by these Imams t gain followers (popularity) they are pure BS. A few admittidly are true such as "Do to others and you wish wish unst yourself" the rest are a joke. What would you believe, the word of God or foolish men?
@jefeisdguard oh and Q33:21 from the quran is "The messenger of GOD has set up a good example for those among you who seek GOD and the Last Day, and constantly think about GOD."
@jefeisdguard I know what you mean but there are others who are so ignorant that it's impossible to say anything, they ignore everything I say and never reply to what I state, which is why I Thank you
Q 33:21 simply means that those who beheaded journaislts & soldiers from islam & even those who burned people alive did it b/c Muhammad also did those things as well.
Muslims follow & many try to emulate Muhammad.
Some even say &/or think Muhammad is GREATER than Jesus.
Some say Muhammad is god.
A majority of muslims would KILL if Muhammad was besmirched while no one would bat an eye when allah or Jesus are repudiated
@jefeisdguard Those so called muslims and misguided and blind, they believe in books rather then Gods Book the Quran. The Quran talks about Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) as an honest, righteous man. While man made books are being put above Gods words by foolish Imaams playing the role of a leader of idiots who believe anything that spews from their mouths. Btw thank you for acctually discussing all of this with me and not swearing and racially putting down Islam and having a rational discussion.
Re: Those so called muslims misguided and blind, they believe in books rather then Gods Book the Quran.
Don’t believe qurans a Book from god b/c NO muslims given PROOF it is credible or established. Islam contends SCIENCE is proof enough to validate the quran, right?
WRONG!
General science proves NOTHING! God demands ”witnesses” NOT science.
@jefeisdguard Can you prove to me how 1400 years ago Muhammaed (PBUH) Knew about Embryology? And in modern times it is being discovered now? If not God that knew of this, his own creation, than who else?
Regarding embryology etc., it is enough to ascertain that Keith Moore did not convert to Islam. In his later books he made no mention of the Qur'an after realising that that the Qur'an only alluded to what the Greek physician Galen had detailed long before.
I recommend to you the Youtube channel "TheIslamMiracle". It will more be more constructive. Also, your question "can you prove to me how 1400 years ago..." is what a non-Muslim might ask a Muslim.
@jefeisdguard God taking away ishmaels 1stborn rights is in complete contradiction with deut 21:15-17 i say again. And the well was actually found in paraan. Paraan is where Abraham left them.
"Hagar would’ve found Ishmael a Saudi wife instead of a Egyptian wife"
If only you knew how foolish you sounded. There WAS no saudi in ancient times. Ishmaels descendants along with some tribes from yemen and syria made arabia. The ancient arabs (Ad and Thamud) were destroyed by God.
He was a man, wasn’t he? He got permission from his wife to do her maid. He did. End of story. He didn’t marry her & God never recognized the marriage.
All men (& women) are adulterers, if they imagine, say or do the deed of intercourse with another person other than their own spouse of their own choice. Abraham simply got the permission to do so from his wife. THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM AN ADULTERER BUT AN OBEDIENT HUSBAND!
@jefeisdguard see how you blaspheme? Abraham was a prophet,messenger and the father of the messengers. Never would he commit adultery. But let yall tell it David commited murder and lot committed incest. Yall have slandered the messengers for too long all in a attempt to make jesus look divine.
@jefeisdguard I just showed you where God told Ishmael he would beget a mighty nation. The descendants of Ishmael were pretty much nothing until Islam and Muhammad (May peace and blessings be upon him).
@jefeisdguard .reported by Ibn Ishâq: "Muhammad Ibn Ka'b narrated that cUmar Ibn cAbd al-cAzîz sent for a man who had been a Jew then converted to Islam and showed signs of true Islam. [Before his conversion], he was one of their scholars [i.e., he was a Jewish scholar] So he [i.e., cUmar] asked him: which son did Abraham(P) sacrifice? He replied: 'It is Ishmael(P). By God, O Commander of the Believers, the Jews know that but they envy you - the Arabs.
is there any other book on earth that have similar characteristics like al-Quran? No...
shiromelur 2 months ago
Uncanny.
Mr23theone 2 months ago
Ok, but waht do you mean to say? This apperas this this much time....that appears that much time!!
hindudb 2 months ago
Quran is a good book to learn how to bloodshed the pagans, lash the fornicators, and stone the homosexuals.
Truth128 2 months ago 2
Not really, propaganda
yahwehsservant 3 months ago
May Allaha give us knowledge to understand the miracles of Holy Quran and make our life easy with the guide of Holy Quran.
TheTakmal 3 months ago
You wasted months in reseraching this.
selvassg 3 months ago
I kill all Muslims when I invade their mommylands. I am just tired of wading through garbage in the streets and their own shit to kill them.
M1NDC0N7R0L 7 months ago 2
@M1NDC0N7R0L you r sick....
minimum82 7 months ago
and your point is!
ooglebydoogleby 10 months ago
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dnlperlin 10 months ago
@dnlperlin you need a brain to see the point...
minimum82 7 months ago
It's ok, but whats whats with the "best 5 minutes of your life"?
dnlperlin 10 months ago 2
so what does this prove? this is a joke right?
xela1970 11 months ago
Man and Woman are repeated each 33 times according to this video, and let's not forget, brothers and sisters, that man and woman each have 23 chromosomes in their DNA in order to be able to make a baby , with 46 chromosomes in total.
Subhanallah.
noraninwonderland 1 year ago
These findings have not been apparent until recently.
Why would an author take such care with the mathematical symmetry and not publicise it and leave it for 1400 yrs to be discovered.
wizard99uk 1 year ago
@wizard99uk there are much more miracles in quran yet to be discovered.all this matematical symetry would not mean anything 400 years ago because in that time all of this would be nothing but a speculations. first there must be a scientific explanation for everithing and only then the facts like this are geting a true meaning.
that is just a way we people function. nothing is worth whitout scientific explanation.
MrSamir0010 11 months ago
ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shabaanramadhan07 1 year ago
well 12-6=3, when subtracted by 1=2, and then divided by 3= 666. is there any1 who actually can confirm this?
zzzaaazzz55 1 year ago
VERY BRILLIANT.MASHALLAH. WHAT A BOOK. WHAT WISDOM. WHAT KNOWLEDGE. WOW.
FAQEERAHMED 1 year ago
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Salamz,
Has anyone ever COUNTED these claims? I tried, in 3 different translations and never got the right numbers.
Could it be, these miracles are FAKE?
mrafi094 1 year ago
@mrafi094 have someone counts them for you in the original arabic language
BTW, these miracles are found by men .. which they might miscalculate or misunderstood something .. that doesn't affect the purity of Quran ..
exactly as some who bomb themselves and kill innocents in the name of Islam or Jihad. they misinterpreted the meaning of Islam and Jihad as well.
Seek real islam and you will find the truth ... GUARANTEED
meedoo23 1 year ago
@mrafi094 wa alykum alsalaam,
the translation is from human, you need to count the words in the Quran itself, The Quran is in Arabic.
bos3eed1 1 year ago
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Aya 65.4
In video link below there are NO spaces
Muhammads predilection to children affects those in positions of power.
An Imam takes full advantage of his position & power by abusing his authority & responsibility.
Exactly what Muhammad did & why Muhammad is "perfect role model" 33:21
Thanks to their perfect role model, Muhammad, all muslims can have sex with any baby girl according to Aya 65.4.
ht tp : / / w ww. youtube. com/ watch? v = 8jDBvuHUPY0 & feature = em ail
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard "Thanks to their perfect role model, Muhammad, all muslims can have sex with any baby girl according to Aya 65.4."
i think you need to look up pedophilia in the bible my friend. thats all im going to say to that.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: be a pagan god when its all throughout YOUR bible in Arabic and Aramaic referring to God?
Never was word “allah” used to mean GOD from OT or NT.
Only the following: ‘Ilah” or “Elah” or “Eloh” or “Eloi” & ELOHIM for plural of numbers, were used.
ALLAH is a pagan term. Muhammads gods. (Q 55:1)
The 1st pillar of Islam explains perfectly that “ilah” & “allah” were used quite a bit.
Islams pagan history originates with the headless idol of “Hubal” w/crescent symbol on its chest
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard "Never was word “allah” used to mean GOD from OT or NT."
Your in denial my friend. pick up a arabic bible. As a matter of fact the churches in palestine have "In the name of ALLAH the most benificient the most merciful" on them.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: tip of the iceberg but theres many more trust me. Like i said, the authors of the bible were liars
Liars? Kings 8:26 & Chronicles 22:2? Liars?
Do YOU even know what you are saying? These are petty human errors.
This is so petty & not worth discussing. You find human errors & deliberately ignore that I mentioned there are NO errors in GODS words Jesus spoke in the New Testament thru Jesus.
The quran does NOT speak thru God & has countless such errors & contradictions
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard "Do YOU even know what you are saying? These are petty human errors."
Yes petty human errors in Gods supposed word.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Thus he refused to surrender his quran to Uthman to be burnt as he said:
“The prophet taught me to recite 70 Surahs which I had mastered before Zaid had even become a muslim. How can you order me to recite the readings of Zaid, when I recited from the very mouth of the prophet some 70 Surahs? Am I to abandon what I acquired …”
Pt 9 of 11
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@jefeisdguard "Thus he refused to surrender his quran to Uthman to be burnt as he said:"
Maybe you need to read the rest of the story.
Ibn Abi Dawud records Musab ibn Sad ibn Abi Waqqas to have testified: "I saw the people assemble in large number at Uthman's burning of the proscribed copies; not a one spoke out against him." Ali commented, "If I were in command in place of Uthman, I would have done the same." [Zarkashi]
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: Your in denial my friend. pick up a arabic bible
Hmmmm, Mumineen1, are YOU saying that “allah” in the Arabic bible sanctions ISAAC & not Ishmael?
Are YOU saying the Arabic allah from the bible gave Isaac a covenant?
Are YOU saying Ishmael was banished & forfeited his birthrights?
Are YOU saying “allah” called Isaac Abrahams ONLY SON?
If the Arabic bible is suppose to be the same as our bible then WHY cant YOU see Islam is a false religion & Muhammad a false prophet?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard "Are YOU saying the Arabic allah from the bible gave Isaac a covenant?"
I already addressed this issue with what encyclodia Judicia had to say on that issue. The Jews changed the name to Isaac for their own purposes. Read about the reception of the Jews of medina to Muhammad (May peace and blessings be upon him) and read about their whole reason for being in Medina.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: Yes petty human errors in Gods supposed word
Just like in the quran, there are countless similar petty contradictions b/c these are HUMAN errors copied from copies from copies.
You disregard my challenge in that I asked for proof of errors in solely the words o f Jesus from the New Testament. These words are perfect & w/o errors. In fact, Islam calls Jesus a LIAR. Suar 4:157 CONFLICTS w/Matt 26:2 & Matt 20:19
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@jefeisdguard "Just like in the quran, there are countless similar petty contradictions b/c these are HUMAN errors copied from copies from copies."
Their are no human errors in the Quran due to the fact that the Quran is memorized and recited in its entirety in front of the muslims evry ramadan.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: the pagan arab used to bury their daughters alive so he's asking why is it okay for God to have daughters but they only want sons.
Prove it. Show me a link
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard "Prove it. Show me a link"
And when the female (infant) buried alive shall be questioned.(Quran 81:8)
For what sin she was killed? (Quran 81:9)
reaf Tafsir ibn Kathir (A middle age scholar)....on sura NaJm.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Among others mentioned is Ubayy ibn Ka’b who, also compiled a separate codex of the quran before it was destroyed by Uthman. Zaid ibn Thabit was NOT in this list which shows conclusively that Muhammad regarded Ibn Mas’ud & Ibn Ka’b as far better.
When Uthman became the Caliph, he appointed Zaid Ibn Thabit to reconstruct the quran manuscripts known as the Zaid Codex. The quran today is based upon Zaid Codex & not on other codices already in existence but were burnt
Pt 6 of 11
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard "Zaid ibn Thabit was NOT in this list which shows conclusively that Muhammad regarded Ibn Mas’ud & Ibn Ka’b as far better."
The Zaid mushaf was derived from theirs except where they differed with everyone elses. The majority ruled in collecting Quran. The readings of Ibn Masud and Ubai had to be abandoned so we wouldn't become like the christians differing about the scripture.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: (Quran 2:1). Many places in the Quran Allah refers to the Quran as a "Book"
Actually it is Q 2:2.
Only Muhsin Khan translates this to mean the quran. All others say “book”
Why shouldn’t this “book” mean the bible? I’d say it does!
You say it refers to the quran then why didn’t every one else?
There is NO other reference to the quran this way.
Means this is a mistake by Muhsin Khan
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard "Why shouldn’t this “book” mean the bible? I’d say it does!"
"It is He Who has sent down the Book to you (Muhammad SAW) with truth, confirming what came before it. And he sent down the Torah and the Injeel (Evangelion). " (Quran 3:3)
"Only Muhsin Khan translates this to mean the quran. All others say “book”
Okay? wass your point?
"There is NO other reference to the quran this way."
Quran 3:3,18:1, 62:2, 19:51,19:54,19:56,7:2, 31:2, 40:2, want me to keep going?
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: Just answer the question, theres a reason i asked this. What desert was it?
Moses crossed the Red Sea & was in the area around Mt Sinai.
Moses’ journey was different than that of Abraham. Abraham, Ishmael & Hagar NEVER went into Saudi Arabia hence NEVER went to Mecca to help build the pagan temple now called the Ka’aba
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@jefeisdguard "Moses crossed the Red Sea & was in the area around Mt Sinai."
I asked you what desert they were in. Stop avoiding the question i think you know where this is going.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: And no the version that was used most during the prophets time WAS zaid/hafsa reading. which is why it was chosen
Actually NO! Mas’uds version was already being used in Kufa, Iraq
You say “1,700 variants are within the same codex”? But THEY ARE STILL DIFFERENT!
The quran seven really were NOT on the same page. Remember the soldiers of Iraq & Syria accused the other of lying. So what type of fecal matter are you shoveling here?
Al Tekayya?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@jefeisdguard "Actually NO! Mas’uds version was already being used in Kufa, Iraq"
What does kufa,iraq hav to do with Mecca and medina? they may very well hav used ibn masuds in Iraq. But Muhammad (May peace and blessings be upon him) wasn't in Iraq. The version they used in Mecca and medina is the one he recited the most.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Narrated Masruq:
Abdullah bin Mas’ud was mentioned before Abdullah bin Amr who said,
“That is a man I still love, as I heard the prophet (saw) saying, ‘Learn the recitation of the quran from four:
From Abdullah bin Ms’ud – he started with him – Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa, Mu’adh bin Jabal & Ubai bin Ka’b. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol 5, p. 96)
Muhammad regarded Ibn Mas’ud as the foremost authority on the quran
Pt 5 of 11
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@jefeisdguard ", ‘Learn the recitation of the quran from four:
From Abdullah bin Ms’ud – he started with him – Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa, Mu’adh bin Jabal & Ubai bin Ka’b. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol 5, p. 96)"
yep and those are all different readings as the Quran was revealed in seven readings. Now ibn Masub is a reading that was abandoned. I dunno if Salim read differently but Ubai was a different reading And Muadth ibn Jabals was the same as Zaids. They all learned from Muhammad.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
So to PROVE females are buried alive YOU bring a quranic verse?
A QURANIC VERSE?
There is NO proof to anything written in the quran! Havent I explained that? The quran is itself a circular fallacy! The lies within it are countless!
But now adding the FACT that Ishmael is proved NOT 2B called or even have a covenant by God makes Islam a FALSE religion & that includes the quran.
I had thought this was a TRUE story!
You bring quranic quotes as if they are CREDIBLE! Stop!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard "There is NO proof to anything written in the quran! Havent I explained that? The quran is itself a circular fallacy! The lies within it are countless!"
Everything in the Quran is proven. But you don't want to accept any proof that supports Quran which is understandable being that you are a christian. But you are throwing stones from a glass house. There are many lies and as you call them "human errors" in the bible. Many canons and many authors. You cannot compare the 2.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
I was challenged to come here by "thedazednconfused' & watch.
But all I see are "words" from an unestablished quran repeated so many times!
SO WHAT?
The bible has MORE mathematical mysteries than the quran would ever dream of having!
The quran IS NOT the word of god, it is the mere word of unrighteous men.
The quran has CREATED a NEW Jesus, Mary, disciples & Gospel.
The quran is CURSED via Rev 22:18 for ADDING words Jesus NEVER said & not corroborated in the bible
Quran = Book of LIES
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard Jesus did say those words. look up the missing books of the Bible. Jesus spoke as a child and more
TRUTHSeekersAiNV 1 year ago
@TRUTHSeekersAiNV
Sorry, missing books? Jesus speaks as a baby in a MISSING BOOK?
I have been asking this question for years & NO ONE KNOWS OF THIS MISSING BOOK EXCEPT YOU?
Prove it
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard umm the missing book isn't hard to find....google or youtube "banned books from the bible"...the qurans accoun t of jesus is told in that book.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
The missing books would HAVE been included IF they were substantiated.
But like the quran, they are NOT.
In protecting His HOLY words, these missing books are missing for a celestial reason ... God didnt want them!
But Islam, on the other hand, has endorsed them as Islam has endorsed arabic fairy tales! Seems Islam will endorse anything!
Yes ur right, qurans account is told in those books.
The true Litmus Test. If quran endorses we become suspicious.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard Why get mad because we only want to follow the 1st commandment and worship God without a middleman? why get mad at us because we know a man can NEVER be God or his son?
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Mad? Me? No. Ur a muslim, right?
What would you think if I told you that Islam has GOOFED big time when the scribes didnt copy the bible correctly & ADDED their own vices & thinking in the quran w/o proof! Example?
Jesus PROPHESIED He will be CRUCIFIED & resurrected in many biblical verses. I'll give you two. Matt 26:2 & Matt 20:19
Islam UPS & puts out there a verse calling Jesus a LIAR! Sura 4157
Now do you believe the quran or not?
Do you call Jesus a liar as well?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard actually the bible says he did not get crucified... "For the scriptures say ‘He will order his angels to protect and guard you.
11 And they will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.’” (Luke 4:10-12) 14 "Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.
15 He will call upon me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him. (Psalms 91 14-15)
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
IF JESUS wanted 2B protected, then YES, the angels of heaven would’ve saved Him, but in doing so all prophesies in the bible re: Jesus’ crucifixion would’ve been a LIE!
Sura 4:157, created 600 yrs after bible was written contradicts words of Jesus.
So, ur saying all these verses are FALSE?
Matt 26:2, 20:19, 20:18, 17:22, 17:23
Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:32, 10:33, 10:34
Luke 9:22, 18:31, 18:32, 18:33
John 3:14, 3:15, 3:16, 3:17, 10:11, 12:31, 12:32
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard So your saying Jesus didn't want to be protected?
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].(Mathew 26:39)
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard And no i would never call Jesus a liar....im calling the ppl who wrote the bible liars.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
No, YOU would NEVER call the FAKE QURANIC JESUS A LIAR ... but YOU are calling the REAL biblical Jesus a liar.
Are YOU getting this? Is this sinking in? Islam has CREATED their very own JESUS & Gospel!
Think about it! Sura 4:157 wasnt even around when Jesus walked this earth!
Not one muslim can find an error or contradiction on SOLELY the words of Jesus in the NT: YET you are eager to call Jesus a liar on the perfect words of GOD by which Jesus speaks on His behalf!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard No like i say again im calling the authors of the bible liars. The gospel of James,thomas and many other apocryphal biblical books support the quranic jesus. all that god in the flesh stuff is just roman paganism.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: No like i say again im calling the authors of the bible liars.
So, what ur saying is that these books authors are unknown b/c Islams indoctrination methods TOLD u they were YET U cant find errors in Jesus’ words of GOD Himself from these books so U still would rather believe the verses in an unestablished unproven & unauthentic quran written by mere men 600 yrs after the bible?
HOW DO YOU KNOW THOSE WORDS ARE TRUE?
WHERES UR PROOF? How can U explain the lies within the quran?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard sure i can't find errors in these alleged words of Jesus?
Mumineen1 1 year ago
Respond to this video...ELIAS TRULY SHALL FIRST COME, AND RESTORE ALL THINGS. BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT ELIAS IS COME ALREADY, AND THEY KNEW HIM NOT,...THEN THE DISCIPLES UNDERSTOOD THAT HE SPAKE UNTO THEM OF JOHN THE BAPTIST."(Matthew 17:11-13)
"AND THIS IS THE RECORD OF JOHN,"(the Baptist) ........"AND THEY ASKED HIM, WHAT THEN? ART THOU ELIAS? AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT.""ART THOU THAT PROPHET? AND HE ANSWERED, NO."(John 1:21)
like i said..the authors of the bible were liars.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: The gospel of James,thomas and many other apocryphal biblical books support the quranic jesus.
How can YOU support a quranic Jesus?
Please explain the “fuzzy math”(lie of Islam) here to me.
The 1st muslim was Muhammad, 2nd was Khadija,3rd was Waraquah & so on. That was 1,400 yrs ago. So 2,000 yrs ago how can there be MUSLIMS around?
Quran says disciples, Jesus, Mary & all prophets were muslims even Adam!
Explain this horrendous LIE! If you will! Thanks.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard If you knew anything you would know that in Muhammad (May peace and blessings be upon him) time him and his followers never called themselves muslims as a distinguished religion. It was a very general term. But ppl like you who wanted to seperate him from the old religion needed somehing to call us. They used to call us Muhammadedns. We accepted the name muslims as a label because this is the word the Quran uses to describe worshippers of God. Any1 who submitted to God was a muslim
Mumineen1 1 year ago
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@Mumineen1
RE: this refutes the crucifixtion. its clear from psalms that IF HE DESIRED he wouldn't even hit his foot on a stone.
The only thing refuted here is ur inept attempt at reading & understanding any scriptural verses!
What is crystal clear is that Islam has NO foundation, No witnesses, No proof & that Muhammad was NEVER sanctioned by God b/c Ishmaels seed was NEVER called by God!
This alone makes Islam a false religion.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Remember, don’t tell me that just b/c Adam, Jesus, Noah, Abraham, etc all “submitted” & “prostrated” to God makes them muslims. That is BS!
Men from all walks of life venerated over 300 million gods for thousands of yrs B4 Islam was founded & prayed anyway they felt like.
Islam DOES NOT OWN THE WAY A MAN PRAYS.
This is ARROGANTLY deceitful on Islams part.
The FUZZY MATH doesn’t add up here.
The LIE of Islam just keeps growing.
Islam has LIED about many things not just this.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard Islam doesn't own how your supposed to pray? what about the jewish doctrine?what if they and every other prophet including Jesus prayed the way we do?
Mumineen1 1 year ago
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@Mumineen1
Re: your contradicting yourself. You said the verses from psalms saying how the angels would protect him was only if he wanted protection. i show you proof that he wanted protection. now you say he was only a man its natural for him to want
Why don’t U read the verses all the way thru? Cant U read?
Matt 26:41 … the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Matt 26:42 … thy will be done
Jesus is doing the will of His father, thus FULFILLING ALL PROPHESIES
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: Matt 26:39 So your saying Jesus didn't want to be protected?
Of course he did!
When Jesus became human, Jesus was immersed in all that is HUMAN! Including temptation, pain, hunger & Death.
If Jesus DID NOT DIE or get tested but remained POWERFUL & omnipotent … what good were the prophesies? Bible’d be a lie!
This was a catch 22. If He didn’t become human totally then He’d be accused of lying.
When He did become totally human, He is accused of LYING by Islam!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard When Jesus became human, Jesus was immersed in all that is HUMAN! Including temptation, pain, hunger & Death.
your contradicting yourself. You said the verses from psalms saying how the angels would protect him was only if he wanted protection. i show you proof that he wanted protection. now you say he was only a man its natural for him to want protection....this refutes the crucifixtion. its clear from psalms that IF HE DESIRED he wouldn't even hit his foot on a stone.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: sure i can't find errors in these alleged words of Jesus?
BRING IT.
So far your batting ZERO!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard What are you talking about? i just did bring it. You try to expalain it away as a mistranlation or incomprehensible and thats what you'll do with every one i bring. Be true to yourself.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: Matt 17:11-13 & John 1:21
Elijah is the eschatological herald of the Messiah. John the Baptist and Jesus were asked if they were the incarnation of Elijah. Elijah (Elias) NEVER died but was taken up to heaven in a chariot. That is how close he was to God. John the Baptist had that same ZEAL & Jesus says so in Matt 11:14
Verses start at Matt 11:10-14
There is NO LIE nor CONTRADICTION only misperceptions incomprehensibility & a complete misunderstanding of biblical scripture.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard Always some beat around the bush explanation for the nonsense in the bible. i can only tell you what the verses clearly say. Christian scholars have been confused with these "dark sayings of jesus" for a long time. I guess what you say is the latest explanation.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: Yes the disciples and everyone else WERE muslims
WRONG! What is it about the FUZZY ISLAMIC MATH don’t you understand?
How can Abraham or Adam be muslims when there were NO muslims around back then? Muslms began to appear 1,400 yrs ago! This is a lie! DO YOU UNDERSTAND? A lie!
There were NO muslims, NO Christians only non-believers, paganists, atheists, idol worshippers & those who believed in ELOHIM = plural for GOD
Leaves out the MONOTHEISTIC allah
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard I keep telling you muslim was a general term that came to define only us....you still keep ranting.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: No christians wrote the Quranyou have to do better than that.
Muhammad had many write revelations for him. Some did not convert others ran away & those who became apostates after writing Islamic revelations were KILLED!
Hadiths Tabari VIII:178/Ishaq:550
Abdallah bin Sa’d used to write down Quran Revelations, became an apostate, rejected Islam & was slain by Muhammad
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: We accepted the name muslims as a label because this is the word the Quranuses to describe worshippers of God. Any1 who submitted to God was a muslim
Fine. You are a muslim or a mohammadian, whatever. Just UNDERSTAND the lie within the quran. Jesus, disciples, prophets & Adam WERE NOT MUSLIMS!
The word “muslim” & “muslims” in general didn’t appear until Muhammad was old.
The quran lied. This includes Sura 4:157. Your Sura is a lie & the words of Jesus are true.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard Yes the disciples and everyone else WERE muslims....let m ask you this then..based on your philosophy what was Abraham,Heber,Noah and Lot to be called? Jews or chrisitians? my point exactly.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: How do you know how the ancient jews and jesus prayed? there are many references to them prostrating face down on the ground. that is how we pray.
Thats MY POINT! Many men for thousands of years before Islam was founded prayed like that!
Must YOU continue this lie from Islam?
Just b/c a person “submits” or “prostrates” themselves in prayer to God doesNOT make them a MUSLIM!
If Islam does this, FINE! Just don’t go around saying all who do are muslims
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard sry you aren't making any sense ...so you admit that we are the only ones who pray correctly. cus christians damn sure don't pray like we do anymore. and really nonone prays like we do anymore. And like i said "MUSLIM" is a general word or it was. thats like saying "Adam and Abraham submitted to Gods will" which they did. They were muslims.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: Islam doesn't own how your supposed to pray? what about the jewish doctrine?what if they and every other prophet including Jesus prayed the way we do?
Of course they don’t BUT ISLAM CONTENDS THEY DO!
Only Islam has purported to claim ANYONE WHO SUBMITS 7 PROSTRATES IS A MUSLIM!
Now how stupid & arrogant is a comment like that?
That is deceitful. That is like saying anyone who eats vegetables is a vegetarian!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard How do you know how the ancient jews and jesus prayed? there are many references to them prostrating face down on the ground. that is how we pray.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: u try to expalain it away as a mistranlation or incomprehensible & thats what you'll do w/every one i bring. Be true to yourself.
Sorry? Only muslims mistranslate biblical verses.
How can any muslim be true to himself/herself if they cant answer how Muhammad is a bonafide prophet?
After all, Ishmaels SEED was NEVER called by God! Hence Muhammad was never sanctioned by God! & Muhammad ONLY to spoke to an angel NEVER to God Himself, like all other prophets! Muhammad was fake.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard No that wasn't a mistranslation. it was repeating a CLEAR contradiction. Jesus says Johns Elijah according to disciples. John says clearly he wasn't Elijah. but we can move on from that. Yes Ishmael was promised a great nation. God never spoke to any of his messengers directly except Moses. You really are giving me a headache.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
You are misguided here. You have told some Whoppers OF LIES!
Muslims, quran, allah & Islam did NOT exist during the time of Jesus, want to know why?
B/c Muhammad didn’t either! B/c Ishmael was NEVER sanctioned by God! Why don’t MUSLIMS “submit” themselves to this truth? God called the seed of Isaac NOT Ishmael! Read very carefully Genesis 17:18-20 then Genesis 21:12
Proves ALL PROPHETS after Abraham CAME FROM ISAAC!
Means Islam is a FALSE religion. The brainchild of Satan
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard God told Abraham to sacrafice his firstborn...which was Ishmael. Ishmael was circumcised 13 yrs b4 isaac was born. As far as "Allah" its funny because thats the God translates into in the Arabic bible. There is "ALLAH" all throughout.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: And like i said "MUSLIM" is a general word or it was. thats like saying "Adam and Abraham submitted to Gods will" which they did. They were muslims.
BS! Wrong! Muslims were NOT around past Muhammads BIRTH!
Why are YOU stating a lie? Did this “general” term MUSLIM exist during the time of Jesus? Well?
If it did why isn’t this word in the Torah? Bible? Why isn’t the words Islam, Muhammad or quran?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard You sure? Muslim, Islam and Shalom come from the same root. Of course if you knew any o the holy languages you would know that. Didn't Jesus submit to god? o but let you tell it jesus WAS god.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: Jesus says Johns Elijah according to disciples. John says clearly he wasn't Elijah.
Of course, John is NOT Elijah! But John is LIKE Elijah!
That is EXACTLY what Jesus was trying to convey! Both were very charismatic in the manner they preached the word of God.
Both were alike in many ways & that is what Jesus was trying to convey.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: Christian scholars have been confused with these "dark sayings of jesus" for a long time
Why do YOU TRUST CHRISTIANS SCHOLARS ALL-OF-A-SUDDEN?
Do YOU KNOW a Christians writer wrote YOUR quranic revelations for Muhammad?
Bukhari: V4B56N814
Christian who embraced Islam, wrote the revelations for the prophet.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard I don't trust christians scholars...but when someone admits something its not a matter of trust or not. No christians wrote the Quran you have to do better than that. The hadith you qoute refers to Jabr the scribe. But you forget the rest of the hadih where he is punished for what he said.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: so you admit that we are the only ones who pray correctly
Are YOU daft? Man prays in whatever HE feels like it INSIDE himself. That is praying correctly. There is NO doubt that any individual who experiences the power of God surrounding him will get down on their hands & knees even thos who are physically unable to do so, but again that is according to each individual.
Islam does NOT own any manner by which a man prays.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard The ancient Jews and early christrians prayed like we pray you said it yourself. it is only now that yall deviate from that.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Mumineen1, where does this leave Islam? Muhammd? If U can NOT prove Ishmael was called or had a covenant w/God; then all biblical verses that suggestably mean to portray Muhammd are false insincere insidious ASSUMPTIONS!
Islam has gone out of its way to promote a HUGE lie!
Mumineen1, IF U CANT PROVE ISHMAEL WAS SANCTIONED BY GOD IN THE OT, then this means all muslims including you have failed to abide, failed to “submit” but have rebelled against His word, Gods commands.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard I just proved it...And he said, Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and get you into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering on one of the mountains which I will tell you of." (Genesis 22:2) now we all know Ishmael was older then Isaac by 13 yrs...so this i s a clear contradiction. The sacraficial child was the "ONLY CHILD" which was ishmael.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: God never spoke to any of his messengers directly except Moses. You really are giving me a headache.
Sorry about the headache part. But I need to clear up some things here.
Gods messengers NEVER spoke to any angel! Except Jacob who wrestled with an angel.
Even Muhammad NEVER spoke to Gabriel but had DREAMS/REVELATIONS by him & was almost CHOKED by Gabriel, so he says w/o proof.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: I keep telling you muslim was a general term that came to define only us . . . . you still keep ranting
General term? Where did it originate? & when? If you state it originated over 1,400 yrs ago, you must PROVE it!
The lie, I want to nail down here, in the quran is that the quran states the disciples called themselves “muslims”!
Want to prove the math or the time sequence is more than skewed here on Islams part.
Am proving Islam lied
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard 11When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.Galatians 2:11-21
This and many of pauls other writings prove that the disciples were on a different program contrary to his new "worship christ" doctrine.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: God told Abraham to sacrafice his firstborn...which was Ishmael.
PROVE IT!
Where in the bible does Abraham sacrifice Ishmael?
Genesis 22:2 says the opposite, Says Abraham sacrificed Isaac.
God told Abraham Isaac is “thine ONLY son”
Did Ishmael have a covenant w/GOD? No. Did God call the SEED of Ishmael? No.
See Genesis 17:19-21 for covenant btwn God & Isaac & Genesis 21:12 where God calls the SEED of Isaac
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard How is Isaac the "Only son" when he had a older brother? thats what i mean when i call the writers of the bible liars.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: The ancient Jews and early christrians prayed like we pray you said it yourself. it is only now that yall deviate from that.
Men prayed in all manners & all fashions for thousands of years BEFORE Islam was founded.
Islam just canNOT select a couple of ways to pray & generally state that ALL WHO PRAY LIKE THEY DO ARE MUSLIMS!
That is stupid, ridiculous, arrogant, deceitful & out n out WRONG!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard The followers of Abrahams religion always prayed like we pray today. It is the way God commanded us to pray. anything outside of that is outside of that.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Is Muhammad a bonafide prophet?
That is UP to you to prove Ishmael was called &/or given a covenant by God.
This means that YOU & all muslims have to find biblical verses attesting Ishmael was Gods choice & NOT Isaac.
B/c if you cant it makes NO sense talking about any biblical verses that muslims say are about Muhammad!
But this would explain why there is NO words in the bible about Islam, allah, quran or Muhammad.
There would be IF Islam & Ishmael were recognized by God.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard I just told you that the word "ALLAH" is all throughout the arabic version of the bible and has been since b4 Muhammad (May peace and blessings be upon him) also it is in the Aramaic one as well.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: followers of Abrahams religion always prayed like we pray today. It is the way God commanded us to pray.
You are NOT paying attention to what I am saying.
PAY ATTENTION!
There are over 300 million gods since islam was founded. Men have prayed to their respective deities in many ways including prostration & submission. Islam cant possibly THINK all are muslim!
Just b/c someone prostrates or submits does NOT mean they are muslim! This includes all prophets.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard Islam calls for the submission to the only real one true God. Anyone who worships the one tru god of the Israelites and prays the way we pray and makes NO distinction between the messengers was and is a MUSLIM!
Mumineen1 1 year ago
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@Mumineen1
Re: I just told you that the word "ALLAH" is all throughout the arabic version of the bible and has been since b4 Muhammad
In Arabic? Ok, then why wasn’t the words, Islam, quran, muslim in those Arabic bibles too?
If Muhammad & the religion of Islam was real why weren’t they in the bible?
Why wasn’t Ishmaels SEED called? Why didn’t God have a covenant with Ishmael?
Why is Islam trying so hard to NOT “submit” to the real God of the bible?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard I told you already the word Islam comes from the root of the word Shalom. Also the word "qaraa" in hebrew which means to "read: or "recite" is found in Isaih prophesizing the 1st revelation of Quran. "Qaraa" is the hebrew eqiuvalent of "Iqra" which means the same thing. And they both have a common root with "Quran" which means the recital. u ask why he wasn't in the bible? he was and still is...who is the prophet LIKE MOSES from thier brethren prophesized in deuteronomy?
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard What do you mean Ishmael didn't have a covenant?
"What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation." (Genesis 21:17-21)
Nothing was great about them til Islam....
"Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. " (Genesis 21 17-21)
Do you know this well still flows to this day?
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: u ask why he wasn't in the bible? […] who is the prophet LIKE MOSES from thier brethren prophesized in deuteronomy?
DO NOT SIDE STEP THE MAIN ISSUE HERE.
Who cares about Duet? If YOU cant prove Ishmael had a covenant with God where God called on his SEED, what does it matter if Muhammad is found in the bible?
That would be a lie! Why do YOU think it is so easy to debunk all muslims when they bring out any biblical verse that allegedly states Muhammad was in the bible?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard what do you mean "Who cares about Duet?"..shouldn't you? thats part of the torah. and i've proven over and over again that ishmael had a covenant.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
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@Mumineen1
Re: And you keep running from my question about the contradiction of the crucifixtion.
What contradictions of the CRUCIFIXION? Your quran has called Jesus a LIAR & has made a mockery of Jesus as a prophet! (Sura 19:30)
600 yrs after the bible was written ur scribes, w/o any PROOF but by their own vices & imaginations CREATED a blasphemous quranic verse; SURA 4:157
This verse LIES & states Jesus was NEVER CRUCIFIED!
Why did Islam create such an insidious verse?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard what contradictions? the verse from psalms which says he wont be harmed. and the prayer in luke where he prays to escape the crucifixion. You keep avoiding that topic.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: Quran 3:96
First & foremost please do NOT quote anythting from the quran b/c it has NO basis for truth.
I have posted too many lies from the quran. I can repost them if you wish.
Valley of Baca is in Northern Israel & Paran is in southern part of Israel close to the borders of Egypt where Hagar sought Ishmael a wife.
Again, NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD TRAVEL 1,000 MILES IN THE DESERT HEAT TO GO TO UNKNOWN LANDS.
There4, Abraham, Ishmael & Hagar NEVER went to Mecca.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard The Quran has more basis then the bible. It is still in the language it was revealed in for starters. Now your paran in israel is something they invented when the state of israel became a state. That valley was never named paran before.Same with your baca. And yes Abraham and Hagar traveled to Arabia. The land wasn't unknown it was actually promised to Abrahams descendants.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
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@Mumineen1
Re: deut 21:17 clearly says 1st borns don't lose thier rights
Esau did. One must put all the facts in equation to see if it fits in the formula of Deut 21:17, right? Well? Does it? Lets see.
Does it say anything about God permitting the kid & his maiden bondwoman mom to be kicked out by Abraham, the kids father?
2nd, who else thinks the maid is Abrahams wife? Sarah. Yes. God? No. Abraham? No.
3rd, who is the ONLY person who really HATES them? Sarah? Yes. God? No Abraham? no
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard Esau lost his 1st born rights do to deception. You are alledging Ishmael lost them just because. God had a reason to allow them to be taken to the desert. From there his house would be biult and the last prophet would arrive from their.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Esau lost his firstborn rights b/c Esau SOLD them to Jacob for a bowl of soup! Deception? Maybe. Arguable too. Esau was hungry & his priorities were skewed. At the moment his hunger was more important than any inheritance.
Ishmael & Hagar NEVER went thru the desert but wandered in the WILDERNESS OF BEERSHEBA. Means Ishmael NEVER went to Mecca to build any Ka’aba.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
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@jefeisdguard Either way Esau gave his birthright away. Yacub didn't take anything from him even though God willed for Yacub to inherit the blessing. but you claim God took Ishmaels birthright when Duet 21 says the 1st borns birthright isn't to be taken. Meanwhile you say:
"Ishmael & Hagar NEVER went thru the desert"
Genesis 21:21 says:
"While he (Ishmael) was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother (Hagar) got a wife for him from Egypt."
Mumineen1 1 year ago
Sura 4:157 calls Jesus a liar. Cant refute the blasphemy of this arrogant insidious verse belonging to Islam.
Hebrews 5:7 is misinterpreted by you
Hebrews 5:7-9 “…unto him that was able to save him from death…”
5:8 “…learned he obedience by the things which he suffered”
5:9 “… he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him”
save him from death = resurrection
MEANS IF U BELIEVE UR SAVED!
Jesus was STILL CRUCIFIED! He prophesied it making Sura 4:157 blasphemous!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard 4:157 isn't calling Jesus a liar but its calling the authors of the bible liars i said this already. Hebrews 5:7 clearly says he will be saved from death. If he was ressurected then hewasn't saved from death since he DIED b4 he came bac. Where is your logic in saying worshipping God alone without any partners is blasphemous as opposed to worshipping him along with 2 other parters and claiming one is his son?
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: How can he be a human if he was the son of God? so your saying god is a human? How can he be a human and also be God? Do you listen to yourself?
Listen to myself? Do YOU listen to YOURself? You confess & admit YOU & all of Islam have given GOD limitations? You believe God canNOT do the IMPOSSIBLE?
You believe in a GOD that only does things by human thinking? Islamic thinking? The Islamic way? Is this how YOU desire God to be? By ur propaganda?
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
Re: and according to Psalms, it states that he will be protected and won't even hurt his foot on a stone. And this is 'The Father" speaking in psalms.....so again another contradiction
You LOVE the word “contradiction”, don’t you?
Your reasoning doesn’t make sense. Your zeal to try & defend Islam is going nowhere.
Jesus is well protected BUT only when He wants it or when it is needed BUT it will NEVER be needed! Jesus does NOT need angels when He is God!
Matt 9:6 John 10:18 Matt 28:18
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard And i ask again, so your saying Jesus didn't want to be protected? What about the prayer in luke? HE WAS PRAYING TO BE PROTECTED!!!
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
James would later echo this truth when he wrote that “faith without works is dead” (James 2:26). The lesson of the fig tree is that we should bear spiritual fruit (Galatians 5:22-23), not just give an appearance of religiosity. God judges fruitlessness, and expects that those who have a relationship with Him will “bear much fruit” (John 15:5-8).
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
The presence of a fruitful fig tree was considered to be a symbol of blessing and prosperity for the nation of Israel. Likewise, the absence or death of a fig tree would symbolize judgment and rejection. Symbolically, the fig tree represented the spiritual deadness of Israel, who while very religious outwardly with all the sacrifices and ceremonies, were spiritually barren because of their sins. By cleansing the Temple and cursing the fig tree, causing it to whither and die
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
First, Abraham is a man. He was in charge of his people his family, like a king. Unlike Muhammad who had countless wives, concubines, sex slaves & sex captives even marrying a child & his daughter-in-law Abraham had a wife who gave permission for her husband to do her maid-in-waiting.
David is a KING & was PUNISHED by God for the murders he committed.
Next LOT, was NOT a prophet like Ishmael was NOT a prophet
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard Wow lets not go and make lies about a man you've never known or seen.
asaaaaadAli123 1 year ago
Re: Wow lets not go & make lies about a man you've never known or seen.
Can U be more specific?
You see, I gain nothing here by lying. Am NOT a muslim & that means I doNOT adhere to the doctrine of LYING like all muslims do!
Al Tekayya is a doctrine by which all muslims have permission by their great & ONLY prophet of Islam, Muhammad(Q 33:21) to lie.
We don’t lie & our beliefs tell us we shouldn’t
Prov 10:18 To hate is to be a liar
Rev 21:8 all liars, part in Lake of Fire, 2nd death
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard I advise you friend to not read those so called Hadiths, there all manmade. Read the Quran and you will see by what I mean, not manmade books made by so called Imaams hundreds of years after Prophet Muhammed (PBUH). They Hadiths are made up by these Imams t gain followers (popularity) they are pure BS. A few admittidly are true such as "Do to others and you wish wish unst yourself" the rest are a joke. What would you believe, the word of God or foolish men?
asaaaaadAli123 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard oh and Q33:21 from the quran is "The messenger of GOD has set up a good example for those among you who seek GOD and the Last Day, and constantly think about GOD."
asaaaaadAli123 1 year ago
@asaaaaadAli123
Re: What would you believe, the word of God or foolish men?
Foolish men? Islam was created 600 yrs after bible was written so why would U believe in quran written by men w/NO proof?
These “men” created a fake Jesus & Sura 4:157.
Sura 4:157 denies Jesus was CRUCIFIED even tho Jesus Prophesied this in Matt 26:2 & 20:19 thus Islams calls Jesus a liar
Gen 17:19-21 states covenant given by God to Isaac B4 Isaac was BORN
Means Islam is a false religion & Muhammad? A false prophet.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard The Quran gives you proof of authenticity by putting scientific facts in it that no one but God could have know in those times.
asaaaaadAli123 1 year ago
@asaaaaadAli123
Re: Btw thank you for acctually discussing all of this with me and not swearing and racially putting down Islam and having a rational discussion.
That comes at the end after we both have exhausted our discussions! ;-)
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard I know what you mean but there are others who are so ignorant that it's impossible to say anything, they ignore everything I say and never reply to what I state, which is why I Thank you
asaaaaadAli123 1 year ago
@asaaaaadAli123
Q 33:21 simply means that those who beheaded journaislts & soldiers from islam & even those who burned people alive did it b/c Muhammad also did those things as well.
Muslims follow & many try to emulate Muhammad.
Some even say &/or think Muhammad is GREATER than Jesus.
Some say Muhammad is god.
A majority of muslims would KILL if Muhammad was besmirched while no one would bat an eye when allah or Jesus are repudiated
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard Those so called muslims and misguided and blind, they believe in books rather then Gods Book the Quran. The Quran talks about Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) as an honest, righteous man. While man made books are being put above Gods words by foolish Imaams playing the role of a leader of idiots who believe anything that spews from their mouths. Btw thank you for acctually discussing all of this with me and not swearing and racially putting down Islam and having a rational discussion.
asaaaaadAli123 1 year ago
Re: Quran gives u proof of authenticity by putting scientific facts in it that no one but God could have know in those times
Again, science, especially the generalized science the quran contains is NOT proof.
God says “witnesses” is what is needed to establish something.
Do U understand that the bible was here first & Islam poorly plagiarized the bible 600 yrs after it was written? By mere men?
How can “science” provc Jesus spoke as a baby? Or talked to “allah”? Or the disciples are “muslims”
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@asaaaaadAli123
Re: Those so called muslims misguided and blind, they believe in books rather then Gods Book the Quran.
Don’t believe qurans a Book from god b/c NO muslims given PROOF it is credible or established. Islam contends SCIENCE is proof enough to validate the quran, right?
WRONG!
General science proves NOTHING! God demands ”witnesses” NOT science.
Dueteronomy 19:15 Matt 18:16 John 8:17
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard Can you prove to me how 1400 years ago Muhammaed (PBUH) Knew about Embryology? And in modern times it is being discovered now? If not God that knew of this, his own creation, than who else?
asaaaaadAli123 1 year ago
@asaaaaadAli123
Regarding embryology etc., it is enough to ascertain that Keith Moore did not convert to Islam. In his later books he made no mention of the Qur'an after realising that that the Qur'an only alluded to what the Greek physician Galen had detailed long before.
I recommend to you the Youtube channel "TheIslamMiracle". It will more be more constructive. Also, your question "can you prove to me how 1400 years ago..." is what a non-Muslim might ask a Muslim.
MesMorial 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: The Quran has more basis then the bible. It is still in the language it was revealed in for starters
Are YOU w/o grey matter? Where is the proof that validates the quran?
Only the bible has archaeological evidence, eye witnesses, historian accounts authors & artifacts, does the quran? Nope!
The quran has CREATED the proof unto itself! It is a circular fallacy!
All is proved by the quran & the quran is proved by all!
The all? Muhammad, Islam, muslim, allah & quran!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: What do you mean Ishmael didn't have a covenant?
Where is the covenant with Ishmael in Gen 17:17-21?
God NEVER called Ishmael the son of Abraham but called him the “son of the bondwoman”.
Means God took Ishmaels firstborn rights away from him & gave it to Isaac.
The well in Genesis is near wilderness of Beersheba & NOT in Mecca but in the southern part of Israel.
If they were in Mecca, Hagar would’ve found Ishmael a Saudi wife instead of a Egyptian wife
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard God taking away ishmaels 1stborn rights is in complete contradiction with deut 21:15-17 i say again. And the well was actually found in paraan. Paraan is where Abraham left them.
"Hagar would’ve found Ishmael a Saudi wife instead of a Egyptian wife"
If only you knew how foolish you sounded. There WAS no saudi in ancient times. Ishmaels descendants along with some tribes from yemen and syria made arabia. The ancient arabs (Ad and Thamud) were destroyed by God.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
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Re: Ishmael was sanctioned by God. And we acknowledge the covenant with Isaac.
You are confusing but are HALF RIGHT.
God ONLY gave the covenant to Isaac. Only Isaacs SEED will be called. ONLY Isaac was called Abrahams ONLY SON!
Ishmael was practically thrown under the bus by God.
God gave Ishmael 12 princes, that’s it.
God permitted Abraham to throw him & his mother out of his camp thereby severing all rights to any inheritance.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard Isaacs seed was the fig tree in mathew that driedup and withered away. Isaacs covenant is done.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: So now your calling Abraham an adulterer
He was a man, wasn’t he? He got permission from his wife to do her maid. He did. End of story. He didn’t marry her & God never recognized the marriage.
All men (& women) are adulterers, if they imagine, say or do the deed of intercourse with another person other than their own spouse of their own choice. Abraham simply got the permission to do so from his wife. THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM AN ADULTERER BUT AN OBEDIENT HUSBAND!
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard see how you blaspheme? Abraham was a prophet,messenger and the father of the messengers. Never would he commit adultery. But let yall tell it David commited murder and lot committed incest. Yall have slandered the messengers for too long all in a attempt to make jesus look divine.
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: thats part of the torah. and i've proven over and over again that ishmael had a covenant.
WRONG!
You haven’t proven anything!
What verse says Ishmael had a covenant with God? PROVE IT!
Tell me the verse in the bible!
Tell me what biblical verse states God called the SEED of Ishmael! PROVE IT!
What biblical verse states Ishmael was sacrificed! PROVE IT!
Don’t U get it? Ishmael is OUT & Isaac is IN. means Islam is a false religion w/no bible history to back it up.
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard I just showed you where God told Ishmael he would beget a mighty nation. The descendants of Ishmael were pretty much nothing until Islam and Muhammad (May peace and blessings be upon him).
Mumineen1 1 year ago
@Mumineen1
Re: God said "thine only son" because he was talking about Ishmael. i've already proved it its up to you to accept it.
How can God be talking about Ishamel when God clearly states “ISAAC”?
Genesis 22:2 Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac,
Genesis 22:12 thine only son
Genesis 22:16 thine only son
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@jefeisdguard .reported by Ibn Ishâq: "Muhammad Ibn Ka'b narrated that cUmar Ibn cAbd al-cAzîz sent for a man who had been a Jew then converted to Islam and showed signs of true Islam. [Before his conversion], he was one of their scholars [i.e., he was a Jewish scholar] So he [i.e., cUmar] asked him: which son did Abraham(P) sacrifice? He replied: 'It is Ishmael(P). By God, O Commander of the Believers, the Jews know that but they envy you - the Arabs.
Mumineen1 1 year ago