I'm not so sure that the guy was incompetent. I'll wager that he knew exactly was he was doing and was bought off to draft these memos, but I guess I'm just cynical.
America was never at war with the middle east, that's just nonsense. When were they ever attack by "terrorists" on home soil? Did any US civilian lost their lives to the "terrorists"? On the other hand, the middle east has every right to be at war with the US, because Bush only send his "troops" in to steal their oil.
Never, in the history of the United States has one president screwed-up so much in such a short amount of time. . . Putting the United States 5.89 Trillion Dollars in debt, with no idea of how to pay the creditors back,,,, Typical Liberal, spending other people's money.
The American Government was willing to overide constitutional rights for American citizens and a New World Order is out of the question right? lol people can be so naive.
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Hmmm.. where is your video going off on Obama for continuing the Bush policy of keeping the wiretaps secret? O yea... ur a fucking dumbshit Obama sheep
What policy is that? And why is it people protected Bush for years and if they spoke out against him something bad happened to them? Then Obama becomes president and he hasn't been president for 6 months and he's been working hard to fix SO MANY wrongs and people are already criticizing and hating him for what?
@Esperanzafleet69 Clinton actually deregulated it. But Bush decided that deregulating it even more would mean a even better economy than Clinton made... and look where we got
BTW, you're stupid, presidents don't have much power anyway, if people in congress actually thought of all the stupid things he was doing, they would've had power to stop his fail decisions
@Liquiddragom calling me stupid for no reason is great... but u really dont make any point whatsoever.. learn how congress works... they make the decisions, not the president.. nice fail comment on a 2 year old post...
Thank you TYT for your speaking on this subject. Do you think you can speak to the young attorney or any attorneys who are not afraid to bring charges against the administration, do you know what those in support of Kucinich are doing? There are groups on FB who want to bank up a force for criminal charges and I'm sure they will not rest until such things are moved to the forefront. The crimes of this administration make OJ look like an honest American hero.
Wow, I bet the people arguing on this page would engage in some wicked hair pulling fights if they ever met. Have any adults commented on this video? I can't seem to find any. I especially like the dork who talks about his girlfriends pussy. Yes, I can tell that you are quite the catch, she's a lucky girl. Seriously though, It amazes me that Clinton was impeached for what he did, and yet, Bush & Company can get way with what they have done constantly.
...so silly i actually have to make this point - PEOPLE KNOW NOT THINK AMERICANS ARE DUMB BECAUSE STATISTICALLY YOU ARE - try reading any of the many census' and so on that show the education level of your country vrs others , try looking at the educational value of your schools vrs others , whats beeing taught at what levels and how the students coming out of these schools are given less ...heres a clue balloon dummies grab it and dont let it go ...
oh wow look no typo i suppose you might actually have to think ,read, and comprehend a correct analysis and view here and respond to it in kind sadly your not well enough equipped for this ...
you guys came to a gun fight with a butter knife ..but again its not your fault ..blame your education system..
lmao, no, i have plenty more; every time you make a post you provide more. i don't have the time or inclination to begin to to delve into the bottomless pit of your ignorance, especially when it's all too apparent anyway.
oh, and by the way, you need to look up "typo," too, dipshit because it clearly wasn't a typo since you're still fucking doing it. wow.
thank you proving my point and showing the knife wont even try to fight the gun. At least you didnt put together a smattering of silly insults ..still trying to cling to typos as some reason for why you are WRONG.. hey champ it aint fooln nobuddy LMFAO
What's the point of teaching advanced levels when a large amount of students go through the system not giving a crap. You have to judge the effectiveness of an educational system by the students that come out of it.
wow im almost surprised truly well thought out and coherent point and idea, at least someone is able to analyze the situation here and make a valid argument.
Nevertheless apathy is not a reason, its an excuse, if maybe education,intelligence, and achievement was seen as a GOOD thing , and fostered as such by parents , kids MIGHT feel better about those things and seek them, rather then destroying them at their own costs.
This is the why people think that americans are stupid. Because of things like torture, the war in Iraq, and Batman and Robin. First punish the Bush Administration, then kill Schumacher.
If by Batman and Robin you mean the George Clooney movie, that's true, but old batman and robin is classic comedy...
These traitors should be put to death, it's not like we need to see the memos to know what they say...We'll know the circumstances, but we already know what they have done. A former NSA analyst confessed his company was spying on everyone without target....That's enough to put them away forever if you don't pull a nixon.
I pose this question: If Americans are unintelligent, as HisShadowONE posits, why are his posts the ones that are grammatically bereft? Just wondering.
Dude..... NOT ALL OF US VOTED FOR BUSH THE FIRST TIME let alone the second. We are not all the same, you dumb ass. Honestly, this is all a joke, because ALL politicians are evil, and all we can hope to do is vote for the lesser of the 2 evils.
Get the fuck over yourself, the reason we are STILL talking about this is because there are still some dumb ass people who LIKE Bush. Most American's knew Bush was a douche bag in 02......
if you had half a brain (not your fault US schools are to blame) youd notice the comment is directed to the people who are supprised at this "new" info people with eyes saw years ago.
someone needs to get over themself and its obvious its you...
YOU made a generalization by saying Americans, idiot, and I have half a brain? Yeah.
And I believe that only fools speak in Absolutes, which you did. Yep. And you did it again. No one from the US can be smart, it's impossible. We don't have smart people. Because you know everyone in the USA.
I spoke because I was offended some dumb ass on the outside looking in judged us without knowing us. So yes, get the fuck over yourself. Fool.
clearly my point is provn and your no longer worth my time and effort , you have the shovel and you keep diggn ..enjoy your fate it will be there soon and your too dumb to realize...best of luck
how bout you figure out what a simple typo is dipshit ...or maybe thats all you got as a point cause you cantt refute the actual content of the comment fucking sad little people with sad little brains
WELCOME TO THE INTERNET DIPSHIT WHERE PEOPLE MIGHT MAKE TYPOS OMG A TYPO WOW THOSE ACTUALLY HAPPEN EVERYWHERE EVERYDAY FUCKTWAT
if you think about it...Now isn't really a good time to be addressing qualms against the Bush Administration...it would start up unnecessary distractions, drama and politics in a currently spiraling economy. Obama undoing Bush's executive orders and policies are good for now in my opinion.
As for our president's performance, I won't judge it til next election nuf said.
"Bush admin wanted to go much further then they did" -
Bush approved a security program ("TIPS") that would have resulted in a higher percentage of domestic secret police informers than was the case in Stazi East Germany.
google: Laura Donohue The Consequences of Counterterrorism
Wow. As a current Australian law student, I was (and still am) very impressed with this video. I have favourited it, and subscribed. Well done, TYT. I wish more so-called 'news' agencies out there would be this candid.
excellant points and questions.. I was reared guided by certain principles such as "The Golden Rule", always do the right thing, etc.. I was also taught that there are consequences to my actions and sometimes my inaction.. it was an unwritten rule.. the written rules we have are called laws and if someone breaks the law they get punished and if they don't then you're sendin' a message to me, my neighbor and everyone else that it is ok to break the law.. the end..
There are different rules for peaceful times n war times. This is why the US always is in a war so they can stretch the law more. Marshal law isn't just curfew with policecars on the streets with bullhornes.
How buy taking your rights away.' Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety'. - Benjamin Franklin.
strange but true fact.. the USA does not wire tap there own people..they use the British to do there dirty work... YES It's TRUE! they work out of Langley Virginia believe it or not..and they do the same for us back in the UK at a place called R.A.F MENWORTH HILL check it out...
The fact is we won the war in just weeks after it started....there are no countries that can defeat our armed forces......even China, Russia.....so when they keep talking about a war on terror or war in Iraq...the war was won.....dealing with the reconstruction of the country of Iraq was what the Bush Administration did not do well at all.....but the Republicans continue to talk about the Democrats not wanting to win the war that was always won,.....
OK so you occupied there country but have you won there hearts and minds?
narrrrr,all you have done in your "war on terror" is send wannabes rushing to join Al-Qaeda in there droves! so not so much a victory more a grand cock up! rember over 4,000 us and allied troops have died in this so called won war!
My point was not to support the idea of this war, my comments were about how powerful our armed forces are, and that we can "defeat" any country. The problem is that attacking, and defeating a country is not winning, it is only showing force. We will not fix the issues in any country by beating it, but by participating in communication with people we don't know.
ME, personally, I only prey for help when im depserate, How can I expect the most high to blesss me when I beg (only when I feel scared) Stand UP. 4 yourself>
Pulsar- we went into Iraq sans a Declaration of War -therefore the entire "war" is illegal...& ure comments are disgustingly disrespectful to the men & women who lost their lives in Iraq...& to their loved ones
pulsar your an idiot you wanna know how I know that all you can do is talk shit but you provide 0 facts just the same bull shit repeated by all the other right wing nut jobs. And yes we all know Bush Jr. was just trying to clean up his fathers and Reagans mistakes. you wanna talk History bring it on!
buttphone, what a name LOL!! Saddam illegally invaded Kuwait, he defied 12 years of UN resolutions after that, he encouraged the world to believe he had wmd's. what kind of history are you talking about you loon?
I totally agree! They should answer for any criminal acts they commited. But so should the former Clinton administration's Sandy Berger for sneaking classified documents out of govmnt. bldngs stuffed in his socks & underwear. Face it people! They are all crooks.
pulsar00815, you are just... so dumb, it's inconceivable. How can you be so moronic? Were your parents brother and sister, or were you just dropped on your head when you were a baby? Did you eat paint chips maybe?
just look at all the bullshit comments from liberal scum losers who oppose the invasion of Iraq. you fags were like 15 when Iraq was invaded and like 2 years old when Saddam illegally invaded Kuwait. learn some history before you post stupid shit
Until actual clear evidence surfaces that there were in fact WMDs in Iraq, I consider it an unwarranted attack, which makes us no better then they were.
hey kala, did your liberal scum parents also teach you that it's ok to put naked pictures of yourself on facebook? quit making stupid political statements you dumbass kid
you have not read every post I put up. I have stated that if those looney middle east countries want to lob missiles at each other all day long and blow themselves to hell, I think they should. if those kooks come to the U.S. or develop a weapon that will threaten the U.S. then I support wiping them out. those people are crazy.
History will be brutally (and derserved) harsh on judging George W. Bush's tenure.
This is horrible. Bush was considering martial law. "Dubya" does not believe in America. If he was so willing to trash the foundation of this nation, then you guilty of treason.
I like how the Republicans say they don't need Congressional approval for the war in Iraq because it is a "police action" and not a war, yet they take away all of our rights because it is a "war time"? Very selective and hypocritical if you ask me. Just like how they want states rights and a less centralized government....that is unless we are talking about gay marraige or abortion, etc. Same thing with science... military science makes perfect sense, but evolution? get the F outta here
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hey all you liberal gaytard assfags. why don't you get on the phone with Pelosi and Conyers? tell em to step it up. I'm sure they'll take your calls when they learn how much you care. HAHAHAHA!!!!!
why would you even waste your time making such a stupid comment? and then you add on "liberal gaytard assfags"... wow, good one, chief. what do you think that makes you?
good one, douche. you obviously have a real knack for editing peoples screen names to use as comebacks. that is about all you have. my boyfriends butt? no but im pretty sure thats where you were since you brought it up. i have been in my girlfriends pussy lately though. i doubt you can even say you have smelled a pussy in the last 10 years of your life. thats pretty pathetic. good luck with that mission impossible.
no, sorry asswipe, i happen to have a life that involves work, school, and friends... something you probably dont have since you act like a flamer and troll on youtube all day. what else do you do in the day? live down in your mommies basement jerking off to gay butt sex porn? that seems to be what you talk about all the time, so i wouldnt doubt that is your main interest. good luck with that. while your at it, get your doggy or the neighbors doggy to please your little weewee down there. lmao
The person i'd like to see prosecuted most would be Dick Cheney. By hook or by crook Cheney made sure we went to war and if he would have had his way we would have been at war with Iran also. This man bordered on mad. Now all you hear is the republicans screaming blody murder about anything Obama does. Where was their indignation when Bush was spending us into recession and taking us to war on lies? Hypocrites, all of them. The good thing -Americans are getting smart. it's time they are all gone
Well so far I haven't seen no motherfucking "change", Im paying the same god damn bills working the same damn job. Only thing Ive seen change is the DOW continue to plummet.
Yada yada yada all liberals know how to do is insult. Ain't shit going to chhhhangee man! LMFAO. When I see results I'll shut my mouth. The dude is just another puppet.
flyingtorpedo, It took Bush 3 years to start to pretend that he was doing something about terrorism yet in reality he wasn't interested in Binladen. He was interested in STEALING OIL at the cost of THOUSANDS OF LIVES AND A TRILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!! The only accomplishment that Bush made in 8 YEARS was successfully destroying the GLOBAL ECONOMY BY IGNORING IT FOR SAID 8 YEARS!!!!!!
But does anyone think anything is going to be done to these people over what they did. HAHAHA thats laughable.
Let me do something minor and watch how fast i get thrown in jail. Oh your not the "president" or anyone important so you dont matter. Man thats Phucked up.
clinton lies about a blow job and he was about to get impeached and all the conservatives and republicans were in an up roar.
yet bush and his people break laws and run amok of the constitution and there's no up roar by liberals or democrats in general, or any impeachment proceedings ? ridiculous
HAHAHA!!! look at all the hate Bush comments by you pukeface uninformed liberal scum. prolly a bunch of drunk dumbass college students who think Constitution is when you can't take a shit. HAHAHAHA!!!!
Americans don't care, they're too stupid to care. They're busy eating big macs and watching the simpsons.
Their intellectuals have been beaten and battered, anti-intellectualism is rife with religious nuts taking over. The USA will collapse because it is becoming more and more retarded.
Basically the USA's fall is because of Americans, you only have your own selves to blame for not monitoring your govt.
Remember that America has also fostered many great thinkers.
It's home to some of the best universitys in the world.
And it has a diverse art stage.
And even though there are many people who lack intelligence(as in any country on earth) there are still some powerfull intéllectual forces inside America.
Yes the UK economy is tied to the American economy thats why I don't want to see the americans fail, thus I am making a comment to tell you guys to get your act together.
And the ha ha is hollow as it directed to yourself as much as it is to me.
If reason won't get through to you to watch your govt then hopefully the cold uncaring truth will. Anti-intellectualism is rife and its killing your country. I wouldn't be surprised if a campaign to ban evolution starts up in the USA.
Actually, it's not that bad. If anything, our last election proved that the American people will not put up with "Anti-intellectualism". And there is now way America would put up with a ban on evolution. Not sure where you're getting your information from but i can only assume it is the media and Youtube. But if we in America we to believe those sources then we would be under the impression that the UK and the Netherlands are all on the verge of Sharia Law... Point being: It's not that bad.
Actually, the UK recently permitted Islamic courts and Sharia Law within certain conditions. I agree with most of what you say but we can't underestimate the power ignorance and fanaticism still have.
nearly 40% of americans believe creationism should be taught in science even thought it got thrown out of court twice. about 22% of americans think creationism should be taught exclusively. if we get anymore evangelical, there prolly will be a ban. so sad.
We need to make a serious example out of these people. After Obama we can easily end up with just another Bush, and he/she needs to know that consequences are waiting for them if they go against morality like the Bush Administration did.
I sincerely hope they prosecute the previous Administration for these actions. For a party that always claims to be on the "morally right", their actions always seem to show otherwise.
If it were me, I'd gather all the evidence, round them ALL up and put them on trial. And once convicted (bc let's face it, the trial would just be a formality), I'd lock them up and throw away the key. I'd make a hell of an example out of those f-cking traitors.
The real reason the republicans have become obstructionists and are glad to have the Rush Limbaugh controversy is because it is a deversion. They don't want any investigation of the Bush/Cheney administration because they would have to explain why all of them allowed these two to get away with the criminal acts they perpetrated on the american people. So it is far better to act like you are disagreeing with everything this president is doing even though you allowed the previous one to do worse.
Get a lawyer who specializes in constitutional law to interpret the Patriot Act for you. You will be astounded, and you will never look at your government the same again.
I agree with Cenk on John Yoo. Mr. Yoo's a fuck'n traitor to the united states of america. That punk-ass-white-butt-kiss'n asian needs ta be prosecuted. Where the fuck in the constitution says that the commander-in-chief can have power that can bypass check-and-balances? Cheney and Yoo should share the same fate - dat is dey both fonna go to HELL!!
I hope that everyone objects just as strongly to any compromises to our 2nd Amendment rights. That's the Democratic party's philosophical weak point, in my opinion.
That said, John Yoo and Cheney and even Bush need to be tried for this shit. Start with Yoo and work your way up.
I agree...the second amendment is a real problem i have with the democrats. Although here in Florida its not really a problem. If there are gun laws, they are not enforced until someone is shot or finds a stockpile of Kalashnikov in a crack house. Ive personally fired a few automatics that i know aren't legal. I'm bothered by warrantless, illegal search and seizure by cops. Ive never seen a violation of the 2nd amendment, but Ive seen authorities take a shit on the fourth right in front of me.
Does anyone else find it funny that the party accused of promoting absolute govt control, via the easy slanderous term socialism, is not the party that actually tried to implement absolute govt power?
Republicans would believe Obama is planning an all powerful government like in Communism. Clearly the Bush admin had already done that but without any of the positive steps to improve life for the working class.
The damn terrorist were hanging out in the White house. They might all be mind controlled and programmed, but i have no doubts that is wasn't outside terrorists, it was the shitbag Republicans in charge. That sucks unbelievably much. The Republican party should be disbanded immediately and for good, because the real perps simply got away with false accusations toward "dark skinned people".
This is not supposed to be the way things work over here, and it is generally deniable, but the top person on the pyramid of power can pretty much do whatever they want. The Republicans know this. Back in the 60s and 70s they were practically grabbing people off the street and sending them to their death. We forget that. They just want you to shut up and die, or become a felon or being dead for them. It was real death, but it was by no means a real war but another government scam for profit.
You don't have to soft pedal the obvious crime of the people at the top of the Republican Administration were in on the911 demolition of the WTC and then they backed up their crimes with all manner of false accusations toward innocents. The took a super power penetrator to the collective but of the American People. At 61 i can certainly recognize a mountain of bullshit or Bush shit as the term would apply. Those dude need to atone with vaporization of their genetic material.
Based on the thumbs-down my comment is receiving, I must have upset some of my countrymen.
Well, 8 years ago the presidency was stolen by a cabal of insufferable traitors and we did NOTHING. A couple of years ago the Vice President claimed that his office was not part of the Executive branch and got away with it!
Face it. We're cowards. The American colonists who stood up to the British Empire would vomit if they met 99% of today's US population.
I've met many freak personalities in the Law school of the University of Lapland. That field draws people who appear to belong to the NWO, really diabolical and with incredible extremist rightist mindset
John Yoo's book, "War by Other Means" is an interesting read for anyone wondering what the admin was thinking/being told. Very, very, interesting, lol
knowing the kind of activist, liberal students that go to UC Berkeley, i am amazed that "Professor" Yoo hasn't been dragged from his classroom by the student body and hung by his balls in the middle of campus.
Oh yes, very insightful. That's what happens at university demonstrations- the hanging of professors by their testicles. God, I must have just seen the crappy one's where they march around with signs protesting.
ok I'll address these things again. the memos were not broad. this Cent guy is theatrically exaggerating. the bypass of these ammendments was at the President's disgression only if the intelligence provided the need to do so.
But who assesses the intelligence? Are there set standards? And who is accountable for error? When the executive licenses himself he is accountable for nothing and above the law. Can Obama declare war and disregard constitution term limits on the grounds that he needs to focus on protecting us? On your account, why or why not?
the intelligence is assessed by the CIA, NSA and Dept. of Homeland Security. you do know that the Democratic scum in the Congress were briefed about the possible use of these procedures don't you? who is accountable? apparently it's Bush by the Democratic loons who don't like him.
Obama can not declare war. the Congress declares war, or in Bush's case authorization to use force to remove Saddam for defying 12 years of UN resolutions and reinforcing the world's belief that he had wmd's.
I'm not sure where you're going with this. if you mean could Obama use a declaration of war on Iran to gain a 3rd term or just automatically gain a 2nd term then I would have to say no.
Well, why not? You've admitted that the executive upon the authorization of force can, at his discretion, ignore parts of the constitution. Why not term limits as well?
I suppose Obama could try it but it would never fly. both parties would look at him like he's nuts if he's insisting a war can only be won if he remains as the sitting president. the military generals running a war don't change just cuz a president does.
You're smuggling in a standard of warrant outside the executive's discretion. "As commander in chief", he could judge it necessary, and on the reasoning you've given me he has full right to do so. After all, it seems, that anything goes when you claim to be protecting America.
If this is not so, tell me why not. Tell me what ground denies him that power. If you say that he cannot do so because it would be to violate the constitution then you must *also* say that Bush is limited as well.
well, if Obama had enough internal support to extend his term then I guess he could do it. Republicans of course would be up in arms about it. Bush had enough internal support for his preventitive measures, he asked if it was legal and the answer was yes. Democrats of course don't agree. you do realize that if this really was such a black and white area then Bush would have been impeached many many months ago. that didn't happen.
I'm not asking whether he can get away with it. I'm asking whether he can do so *by law*. You seem to think political support is the same as legal right.
If all that matters is "support" why do we have a constitution and laws?
can he do it by law? probably not, it would have to be ruled upon by the federal court to determine if it is within his right. a federal court has already ruled that Bush's wiretapping did not violate the 4th ammendment due to his precautions taken and the nature of conducting those wiretaps.
We've been arguing about another matter, namely whether the executive may at its discretion ignore the bill of rights simply upon the authorization of force. You have argued to the affirmative in the past. You have now changed your claim. You now say that the actions of the NSA are constitutional because they meet certain legal standards as determined in a court ruling. This amounts to admitting that the president is accountable to the law. Of course, these memos applied to far more than the NSA
my original claim was that Bush broke no laws. the entry of Iraq was authorized by the Congress. the wiretaps were deemed not to have violated the 4th ammendment. what constitutes torture depends on who you talk to. a declaration of war does not mean a president can disregard the Constitution or the Bill of Rights and Bush didn't violate either document according to the rule of law.
No, you had originally characterized the constitution as "red tape", adding also (emphasis added), "if *in his judgment* as commander in chief he *decided* to *override* *any amendment* because *he determined* it was in the best interest of national security [...] then he had the right to do so."
That is a different claim from the one you are making now, i.e. that the president has to follow the law and that Bush did follow the law.
yes, parts of the Constitution can be considered to be red tape as it was never nor could be designed to address this type of 21st century terrorist warfare. Bush needed immediate lattitude with the ammendments which would have been prohibitive to maintaining national security. he worked within the law to do this and the federal court agreed considering the circumstances.
I'll leave the veracity of these claims to someone who cares. I only care about getting things conceptually straight. I should say though, when you stop bleating on about scum this and scum that, you sound far more rational.
To change the topic, it's not clear to me how, with respect to the general rights outlined in the constitution, war has significantly changed. Things have larger effects and can be done quickly, but how does the bill of rights fail to accommodate for that change?
you're completely right, of course. the same people who would be most offended by the way this man used and abused the law to subvert both the constitution as well as our civil liberties are the people who would demand justice through due process and the rule of law, not by a lynching. that being said, i question the decision to put this man in the position of helping to shape the minds of future lawyers.
hmm..I've been accused of trolling cuz I acuse you liberal scum of not knowing how to fight a terrorist threat on American soil. no Americans are sitting in jail cuz they spoke their mind, no newspapers have been shut down, no one's house or business has been blown up, no American's were abducted in the middle of the night. you guys are fishing for a prosecution that will never happen. btw if anyone's personal phone conversation happened to be overheard, I really don't care.
I'm not so sure that the guy was incompetent. I'll wager that he knew exactly was he was doing and was bought off to draft these memos, but I guess I'm just cynical.
Eizara 6 months ago
The Constitution does not exist at all to these people Cenk?
mannhorn34 1 year ago
dude. this guy is not only funny, but actually knows what he's talking about.
fullmetalcock666 2 years ago 11
It seems that they covered themselves well.
Bush will say "we were acting on legal opinion from the Justice Dept."
Justice Dept will say "we were acting on orders from the President"
Bush was sure to appoint only those who would deliver a favorable result.
Almost everyone had an escape route, except Scooter Libby and Ive not recently seen anything about Karl Rove.
gmcmudder1 2 years ago 4
9/11 doesn't count because it was a government cover up.
frankystein12 2 years ago 2
America was never at war with the middle east, that's just nonsense. When were they ever attack by "terrorists" on home soil? Did any US civilian lost their lives to the "terrorists"? On the other hand, the middle east has every right to be at war with the US, because Bush only send his "troops" in to steal their oil.
frankystein12 2 years ago
Never, in the history of the United States has one president screwed-up so much in such a short amount of time. . . Putting the United States 5.89 Trillion Dollars in debt, with no idea of how to pay the creditors back,,,, Typical Liberal, spending other people's money.
Unklebillybob 2 years ago
The American Government was willing to overide constitutional rights for American citizens and a New World Order is out of the question right? lol people can be so naive.
kdense08 2 years ago 9
This is why dissent is patriotic. If we had not opposed them so much, who knows how far they would have gone!
EvilTube2007 2 years ago 4
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This video is mind-boggling it's so lame.
sgbaird 2 years ago
I like this video because this guy seems to look at this stuff from both sides and actually talks about both sides and ifs.
hXcsXeHector 2 years ago 20
ya and the logo looks like tyts
xdyingfetusx69 2 years ago 3
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Hmmm.. where is your video going off on Obama for continuing the Bush policy of keeping the wiretaps secret? O yea... ur a fucking dumbshit Obama sheep
Avarice176 2 years ago
What policy is that? And why is it people protected Bush for years and if they spoke out against him something bad happened to them? Then Obama becomes president and he hasn't been president for 6 months and he's been working hard to fix SO MANY wrongs and people are already criticizing and hating him for what?
hXcsXeHector 2 years ago
basically bush 100% fucked the economy by deregulating banking so id take anybody over him at this point
Esperanzafleet69 2 years ago 15
@Esperanzafleet69 Clinton actually deregulated it. But Bush decided that deregulating it even more would mean a even better economy than Clinton made... and look where we got
BTW, you're stupid, presidents don't have much power anyway, if people in congress actually thought of all the stupid things he was doing, they would've had power to stop his fail decisions
Liquiddragom 4 months ago
@Liquiddragom calling me stupid for no reason is great... but u really dont make any point whatsoever.. learn how congress works... they make the decisions, not the president.. nice fail comment on a 2 year old post...
Esperanzafleet69 4 months ago
Thank you TYT for your speaking on this subject. Do you think you can speak to the young attorney or any attorneys who are not afraid to bring charges against the administration, do you know what those in support of Kucinich are doing? There are groups on FB who want to bank up a force for criminal charges and I'm sure they will not rest until such things are moved to the forefront. The crimes of this administration make OJ look like an honest American hero.
laurasIs2c 2 years ago 5
Wow, I bet the people arguing on this page would engage in some wicked hair pulling fights if they ever met. Have any adults commented on this video? I can't seem to find any. I especially like the dork who talks about his girlfriends pussy. Yes, I can tell that you are quite the catch, she's a lucky girl. Seriously though, It amazes me that Clinton was impeached for what he did, and yet, Bush & Company can get way with what they have done constantly.
rinka777778 2 years ago 3
...so silly i actually have to make this point - PEOPLE KNOW NOT THINK AMERICANS ARE DUMB BECAUSE STATISTICALLY YOU ARE - try reading any of the many census' and so on that show the education level of your country vrs others , try looking at the educational value of your schools vrs others , whats beeing taught at what levels and how the students coming out of these schools are given less ...heres a clue balloon dummies grab it and dont let it go ...
HisShadowONE 2 years ago
oh wow look no typo i suppose you might actually have to think ,read, and comprehend a correct analysis and view here and respond to it in kind sadly your not well enough equipped for this ...
you guys came to a gun fight with a butter knife ..but again its not your fault ..blame your education system..
HisShadowONE 2 years ago
lmao, no, i have plenty more; every time you make a post you provide more. i don't have the time or inclination to begin to to delve into the bottomless pit of your ignorance, especially when it's all too apparent anyway.
oh, and by the way, you need to look up "typo," too, dipshit because it clearly wasn't a typo since you're still fucking doing it. wow.
MaximusRelaximus 2 years ago
thank you proving my point and showing the knife wont even try to fight the gun. At least you didnt put together a smattering of silly insults ..still trying to cling to typos as some reason for why you are WRONG.. hey champ it aint fooln nobuddy LMFAO
HisShadowONE 2 years ago
shut up poo face
superextremelaser 2 years ago
What's the point of teaching advanced levels when a large amount of students go through the system not giving a crap. You have to judge the effectiveness of an educational system by the students that come out of it.
TheStickyNoteKing 2 years ago 2
wow im almost surprised truly well thought out and coherent point and idea, at least someone is able to analyze the situation here and make a valid argument.
Nevertheless apathy is not a reason, its an excuse, if maybe education,intelligence, and achievement was seen as a GOOD thing , and fostered as such by parents , kids MIGHT feel better about those things and seek them, rather then destroying them at their own costs.
HisShadowONE 2 years ago
This is the why people think that americans are stupid. Because of things like torture, the war in Iraq, and Batman and Robin. First punish the Bush Administration, then kill Schumacher.
fanaticmoron 2 years ago 3
If by Batman and Robin you mean the George Clooney movie, that's true, but old batman and robin is classic comedy...
These traitors should be put to death, it's not like we need to see the memos to know what they say...We'll know the circumstances, but we already know what they have done. A former NSA analyst confessed his company was spying on everyone without target....That's enough to put them away forever if you don't pull a nixon.
seestickglue232 2 years ago
I pose this question: If Americans are unintelligent, as HisShadowONE posits, why are his posts the ones that are grammatically bereft? Just wondering.
WednesdayisEmo 2 years ago
see my comment above - try geting a clue fucktwat #2
HisShadowONE 2 years ago
ya this is old news whats taking people so long to see the evil ... oh ya your amricans ..WAKE THE FUCK UP ALREADY
HisShadowONE 2 years ago
edit typo correction - *Americans
HisShadowONE 2 years ago
Dude..... NOT ALL OF US VOTED FOR BUSH THE FIRST TIME let alone the second. We are not all the same, you dumb ass. Honestly, this is all a joke, because ALL politicians are evil, and all we can hope to do is vote for the lesser of the 2 evils.
Get the fuck over yourself, the reason we are STILL talking about this is because there are still some dumb ass people who LIKE Bush. Most American's knew Bush was a douche bag in 02......
angelicexcel 2 years ago
if you had half a brain (not your fault US schools are to blame) youd notice the comment is directed to the people who are supprised at this "new" info people with eyes saw years ago.
someone needs to get over themself and its obvious its you...
HisShadowONE 2 years ago
YOU made a generalization by saying Americans, idiot, and I have half a brain? Yeah.
And I believe that only fools speak in Absolutes, which you did. Yep. And you did it again. No one from the US can be smart, it's impossible. We don't have smart people. Because you know everyone in the USA.
I spoke because I was offended some dumb ass on the outside looking in judged us without knowing us. So yes, get the fuck over yourself. Fool.
angelicexcel 2 years ago
clearly my point is provn and your no longer worth my time and effort , you have the shovel and you keep diggn ..enjoy your fate it will be there soon and your too dumb to realize...best of luck
HisShadowONE 2 years ago
"your too dumb." Yeah, okay, genius, now let's try to comprehend the amazing complexity of simple contractions.
MaximusRelaximus 2 years ago
how bout you figure out what a simple typo is dipshit ...or maybe thats all you got as a point cause you cantt refute the actual content of the comment fucking sad little people with sad little brains
WELCOME TO THE INTERNET DIPSHIT WHERE PEOPLE MIGHT MAKE TYPOS OMG A TYPO WOW THOSE ACTUALLY HAPPEN EVERYWHERE EVERYDAY FUCKTWAT
HisShadowONE 2 years ago
and obama doesn't wanna do a damn thing about this bush administration bs. hmmm. change?
godlesspatriot 2 years ago
if you think about it...Now isn't really a good time to be addressing qualms against the Bush Administration...it would start up unnecessary distractions, drama and politics in a currently spiraling economy. Obama undoing Bush's executive orders and policies are good for now in my opinion.
As for our president's performance, I won't judge it til next election nuf said.
artc27 2 years ago
pulsar00815, it's clear that you just like making people mad, so I'm not going to bother responding further.
Kalamari92 2 years ago
"Bush admin wanted to go much further then they did" -
Bush approved a security program ("TIPS") that would have resulted in a higher percentage of domestic secret police informers than was the case in Stazi East Germany.
google: Laura Donohue The Consequences of Counterterrorism
rspawn 2 years ago
John Yoo broke the law. John Yoo has not been charged with anything. John Yoo must be a pretty good lawyer. Isn't he?
cheddyrod 2 years ago
No, he's a pretty evil lawyer.
Mastikator 2 years ago
Wow. As a current Australian law student, I was (and still am) very impressed with this video. I have favourited it, and subscribed. Well done, TYT. I wish more so-called 'news' agencies out there would be this candid.
parizada 2 years ago 2
excellant points and questions.. I was reared guided by certain principles such as "The Golden Rule", always do the right thing, etc.. I was also taught that there are consequences to my actions and sometimes my inaction.. it was an unwritten rule.. the written rules we have are called laws and if someone breaks the law they get punished and if they don't then you're sendin' a message to me, my neighbor and everyone else that it is ok to break the law.. the end..
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UGOTDAJACK 2 years ago
There are different rules for peaceful times n war times. This is why the US always is in a war so they can stretch the law more. Marshal law isn't just curfew with policecars on the streets with bullhornes.
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charr05 2 years ago
ok..someone enlighten me please. Whats up with people spelling America with a K, ameriKa??
blossom420 2 years ago
let me re phrase that i think it was good on the ease dropping thats it and the water boarding of terrorist everything else he did was faliure
thelastemperor909 2 years ago
im wit bush ! he protected us you dont like it get the fuck out of amerika the end :d
thelastemperor909 2 years ago
How buy taking your rights away.' Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety'. - Benjamin Franklin.
aprilmarco 2 years ago 4
strange but true fact.. the USA does not wire tap there own people..they use the British to do there dirty work... YES It's TRUE! they work out of Langley Virginia believe it or not..and they do the same for us back in the UK at a place called R.A.F MENWORTH HILL check it out...
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
i knew they would find something like this. i also know they shredded a bunch of the crazy shit
fjackson90 2 years ago
The title of this piece makes it sound like a screamer. Would TYT do that to me...?
cygnusXhaust 2 years ago
who needs constitutions when your president.
YasirTV 2 years ago 2
The fact is we won the war in just weeks after it started....there are no countries that can defeat our armed forces......even China, Russia.....so when they keep talking about a war on terror or war in Iraq...the war was won.....dealing with the reconstruction of the country of Iraq was what the Bush Administration did not do well at all.....but the Republicans continue to talk about the Democrats not wanting to win the war that was always won,.....
prideventures 2 years ago
OK so you occupied there country but have you won there hearts and minds?
narrrrr,all you have done in your "war on terror" is send wannabes rushing to join Al-Qaeda in there droves! so not so much a victory more a grand cock up! rember over 4,000 us and allied troops have died in this so called won war!
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
My point was not to support the idea of this war, my comments were about how powerful our armed forces are, and that we can "defeat" any country. The problem is that attacking, and defeating a country is not winning, it is only showing force. We will not fix the issues in any country by beating it, but by participating in communication with people we don't know.
prideventures 2 years ago 5
good!at last some bugger out there get's it!
you have restored my faith in the human race..
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago 5
well said very well said
Lightren 2 years ago 5
.. but the Iraq war was premeditated .. so the violation of our rights was intentional ..
milkgodnl 2 years ago
.. and Cenk knows too .. he is a lawyer .. among the 20% who give the remaining 80% a good name.
milkgodnl 2 years ago
I think it should be legal to blow up any building you suspect is holding Republican lawyers.
Richardgwm 2 years ago 2
ME, personally, I only prey for help when im depserate, How can I expect the most high to blesss me when I beg (only when I feel scared) Stand UP. 4 yourself>
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ekid2000 2 years ago
Pulsar- we went into Iraq sans a Declaration of War -therefore the entire "war" is illegal...& ure comments are disgustingly disrespectful to the men & women who lost their lives in Iraq...& to their loved ones
Susieshepherd 2 years ago
pulsar your an idiot you wanna know how I know that all you can do is talk shit but you provide 0 facts just the same bull shit repeated by all the other right wing nut jobs. And yes we all know Bush Jr. was just trying to clean up his fathers and Reagans mistakes. you wanna talk History bring it on!
buttphone 2 years ago
buttphone, what a name LOL!! Saddam illegally invaded Kuwait, he defied 12 years of UN resolutions after that, he encouraged the world to believe he had wmd's. what kind of history are you talking about you loon?
pulsar00815 2 years ago
I totally agree! They should answer for any criminal acts they commited. But so should the former Clinton administration's Sandy Berger for sneaking classified documents out of govmnt. bldngs stuffed in his socks & underwear. Face it people! They are all crooks.
Dedhedted71 2 years ago
Does anyone really believe that four planes were really hijacked by some random dudes....with box cutters?
Susieshepherd 2 years ago
pulsar00815, you are just... so dumb, it's inconceivable. How can you be so moronic? Were your parents brother and sister, or were you just dropped on your head when you were a baby? Did you eat paint chips maybe?
Kalamari92 2 years ago
oh snap! Pulsar PWNS kala. BOOYAH!!
pulsar00815 2 years ago
Somehow I smell "The new deal" all over again, yikes!!!!!!!!!
flyingtorpedo 2 years ago
just look at all the bullshit comments from liberal scum losers who oppose the invasion of Iraq. you fags were like 15 when Iraq was invaded and like 2 years old when Saddam illegally invaded Kuwait. learn some history before you post stupid shit
pulsar00815 2 years ago
Until actual clear evidence surfaces that there were in fact WMDs in Iraq, I consider it an unwarranted attack, which makes us no better then they were.
Kalamari92 2 years ago
you're 16 and obviously get your news from the Daily Show. plz do some actual impartial detailed research before you judge these events
pulsar00815 2 years ago
And you're a freaking idiot who thinks that anyone who doesn't want to go to war is a liberal pansy.
Jackass.
Kalamari92 2 years ago
hey kala, did your liberal scum parents also teach you that it's ok to put naked pictures of yourself on facebook? quit making stupid political statements you dumbass kid
pulsar00815 2 years ago
Yeah, so every time a country does something bad, the US is just supposed to step in and play world police? Fantastic Idea
sk8ndrums 2 years ago
you have not read every post I put up. I have stated that if those looney middle east countries want to lob missiles at each other all day long and blow themselves to hell, I think they should. if those kooks come to the U.S. or develop a weapon that will threaten the U.S. then I support wiping them out. those people are crazy.
pulsar00815 2 years ago
History will be brutally (and derserved) harsh on judging George W. Bush's tenure.
This is horrible. Bush was considering martial law. "Dubya" does not believe in America. If he was so willing to trash the foundation of this nation, then you guilty of treason.
MeritisDE 2 years ago
I like how the Republicans say they don't need Congressional approval for the war in Iraq because it is a "police action" and not a war, yet they take away all of our rights because it is a "war time"? Very selective and hypocritical if you ask me. Just like how they want states rights and a less centralized government....that is unless we are talking about gay marraige or abortion, etc. Same thing with science... military science makes perfect sense, but evolution? get the F outta here
sk8ndrums 2 years ago
Bush did have the approval of Congress. get ur head out of ur ass
pulsar00815 2 years ago
hey, ProstateBALLER925 doesn't like FOX News. what a fucking surprise. HAHAHAHA!!!!
pulsar00815 2 years ago
Shouldn't it be prison-time for Bush/Cheney?
DillonX 2 years ago
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hey all you liberal gaytard assfags. why don't you get on the phone with Pelosi and Conyers? tell em to step it up. I'm sure they'll take your calls when they learn how much you care. HAHAHAHA!!!!!
pulsar00815 2 years ago
why would you even waste your time making such a stupid comment? and then you add on "liberal gaytard assfags"... wow, good one, chief. what do you think that makes you?
GstateBALLER925 2 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
are you a liberal scum too? if you don't like my comment then why don't you cry about you weak little pussycat
pulsar00815 2 years ago
because you look like a fucking moron and i had to tell you what a douchebag you are. deal with it and eat shit dumbass.
GstateBALLER925 2 years ago
hey, it's my friend ProstateBALLER!
where you been?
up ur boyfriend's butt maybe?
HAHAHAHA!!!!
pulsar00815 2 years ago
good one, douche. you obviously have a real knack for editing peoples screen names to use as comebacks. that is about all you have. my boyfriends butt? no but im pretty sure thats where you were since you brought it up. i have been in my girlfriends pussy lately though. i doubt you can even say you have smelled a pussy in the last 10 years of your life. thats pretty pathetic. good luck with that mission impossible.
GstateBALLER925 2 years ago 2
don't get mad baller. I know you sent me that message days later cuz you can't stop thinkin bout wrapping ur lips around my schlorp. HAHAHAHA!!!!
pulsar00815 2 years ago
no, sorry asswipe, i happen to have a life that involves work, school, and friends... something you probably dont have since you act like a flamer and troll on youtube all day. what else do you do in the day? live down in your mommies basement jerking off to gay butt sex porn? that seems to be what you talk about all the time, so i wouldnt doubt that is your main interest. good luck with that. while your at it, get your doggy or the neighbors doggy to please your little weewee down there. lmao
GstateBALLER925 2 years ago
somebody get this man a cookie
NOW!!!!!!
Leadman1989 2 years ago
The person i'd like to see prosecuted most would be Dick Cheney. By hook or by crook Cheney made sure we went to war and if he would have had his way we would have been at war with Iran also. This man bordered on mad. Now all you hear is the republicans screaming blody murder about anything Obama does. Where was their indignation when Bush was spending us into recession and taking us to war on lies? Hypocrites, all of them. The good thing -Americans are getting smart. it's time they are all gone
plumbweis 2 years ago 3
I want to see Cheney swing from a tree.
12stringsforme 2 years ago 2
Me too! But I would like shoot him in the face with a nail gun first!
imtang0708 2 years ago 2
Well so far I haven't seen no motherfucking "change", Im paying the same god damn bills working the same damn job. Only thing Ive seen change is the DOW continue to plummet.
flyingtorpedo 2 years ago
Do I really even have to say this? It is so fucking obvious. It has only been just over a month you douche bag.
jeep1077 2 years ago 2
Yada yada yada all liberals know how to do is insult. Ain't shit going to chhhhangee man! LMFAO. When I see results I'll shut my mouth. The dude is just another puppet.
flyingtorpedo 2 years ago
flyingtorpedo, It took Bush 3 years to start to pretend that he was doing something about terrorism yet in reality he wasn't interested in Binladen. He was interested in STEALING OIL at the cost of THOUSANDS OF LIVES AND A TRILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!! The only accomplishment that Bush made in 8 YEARS was successfully destroying the GLOBAL ECONOMY BY IGNORING IT FOR SAID 8 YEARS!!!!!!
imtang0708 2 years ago
It was wrong illegal and all that.
But does anyone think anything is going to be done to these people over what they did. HAHAHA thats laughable.
Let me do something minor and watch how fast i get thrown in jail. Oh your not the "president" or anyone important so you dont matter. Man thats Phucked up.
Garcia5180 2 years ago
I wish someone would slap the shit out of Bush and his former admin.
What were they doing?
Garcia5180 2 years ago
clinton lies about a blow job and he was about to get impeached and all the conservatives and republicans were in an up roar.
yet bush and his people break laws and run amok of the constitution and there's no up roar by liberals or democrats in general, or any impeachment proceedings ? ridiculous
AnishaD23 2 years ago 2
Its a funny world we live in
Garcia5180 2 years ago 2
HAHAHA!!! look at all the hate Bush comments by you pukeface uninformed liberal scum. prolly a bunch of drunk dumbass college students who think Constitution is when you can't take a shit. HAHAHAHA!!!!
pulsar00815 2 years ago
sign up to get them prosecuted ,freeze their bank accounts and use their money to repair the damage they have done! they can start all over
with nothing in their pockets,they deserve nothing better !!!
runway1300 2 years ago
They suspended the constitution and about every other legal document in existence.
As far as i know that's against the law.
Ad people who break the law should go to court.
qanazir 2 years ago
PaxBrittanica suck my big american dick you limy bastard!
carl137 2 years ago
Americans don't care, they're too stupid to care. They're busy eating big macs and watching the simpsons.
Their intellectuals have been beaten and battered, anti-intellectualism is rife with religious nuts taking over. The USA will collapse because it is becoming more and more retarded.
Basically the USA's fall is because of Americans, you only have your own selves to blame for not monitoring your govt.
PaxBrittanica 2 years ago
You seem to be quite anti-American.
Remember that America has also fostered many great thinkers.
It's home to some of the best universitys in the world.
And it has a diverse art stage.
And even though there are many people who lack intelligence(as in any country on earth) there are still some powerfull intéllectual forces inside America.
qanazir 2 years ago 2
Sucks to be you then, considering how much the UK's economy is tied to ours! To quote the great Nelson Muntz, "Ha Ha!"
uskafighter 2 years ago
Yes the UK economy is tied to the American economy thats why I don't want to see the americans fail, thus I am making a comment to tell you guys to get your act together.
And the ha ha is hollow as it directed to yourself as much as it is to me.
If reason won't get through to you to watch your govt then hopefully the cold uncaring truth will. Anti-intellectualism is rife and its killing your country. I wouldn't be surprised if a campaign to ban evolution starts up in the USA.
PaxBrittanica 2 years ago
Actually, it's not that bad. If anything, our last election proved that the American people will not put up with "Anti-intellectualism". And there is now way America would put up with a ban on evolution. Not sure where you're getting your information from but i can only assume it is the media and Youtube. But if we in America we to believe those sources then we would be under the impression that the UK and the Netherlands are all on the verge of Sharia Law... Point being: It's not that bad.
uskafighter 2 years ago
Actually, the UK recently permitted Islamic courts and Sharia Law within certain conditions. I agree with most of what you say but we can't underestimate the power ignorance and fanaticism still have.
reeve1991 2 years ago
nearly 40% of americans believe creationism should be taught in science even thought it got thrown out of court twice. about 22% of americans think creationism should be taught exclusively. if we get anymore evangelical, there prolly will be a ban. so sad.
jesse1018 2 years ago 2
We need to make a serious example out of these people. After Obama we can easily end up with just another Bush, and he/she needs to know that consequences are waiting for them if they go against morality like the Bush Administration did.
KSNaslund 2 years ago
I sincerely hope they prosecute the previous Administration for these actions. For a party that always claims to be on the "morally right", their actions always seem to show otherwise.
If it were me, I'd gather all the evidence, round them ALL up and put them on trial. And once convicted (bc let's face it, the trial would just be a formality), I'd lock them up and throw away the key. I'd make a hell of an example out of those f-cking traitors.
ixdn77 2 years ago
The real reason the republicans have become obstructionists and are glad to have the Rush Limbaugh controversy is because it is a deversion. They don't want any investigation of the Bush/Cheney administration because they would have to explain why all of them allowed these two to get away with the criminal acts they perpetrated on the american people. So it is far better to act like you are disagreeing with everything this president is doing even though you allowed the previous one to do worse.
plumbweis 2 years ago
that just sound like old mother russia days
CactosS 2 years ago
Eye Opening..
CrialCrial 2 years ago
Get a lawyer who specializes in constitutional law to interpret the Patriot Act for you. You will be astounded, and you will never look at your government the same again.
pretorious700 2 years ago
I agree with Cenk on John Yoo. Mr. Yoo's a fuck'n traitor to the united states of america. That punk-ass-white-butt-kiss'n asian needs ta be prosecuted. Where the fuck in the constitution says that the commander-in-chief can have power that can bypass check-and-balances? Cheney and Yoo should share the same fate - dat is dey both fonna go to HELL!!
legendSmurf 2 years ago 2
I think that's a safe assumption. Unless you're Alex Jones, you can't have much of a career in broadcasting if you're a truther.
Amy31415 2 years ago
I hope that everyone objects just as strongly to any compromises to our 2nd Amendment rights. That's the Democratic party's philosophical weak point, in my opinion.
That said, John Yoo and Cheney and even Bush need to be tried for this shit. Start with Yoo and work your way up.
Amy31415 2 years ago
I agree...the second amendment is a real problem i have with the democrats. Although here in Florida its not really a problem. If there are gun laws, they are not enforced until someone is shot or finds a stockpile of Kalashnikov in a crack house. Ive personally fired a few automatics that i know aren't legal. I'm bothered by warrantless, illegal search and seizure by cops. Ive never seen a violation of the 2nd amendment, but Ive seen authorities take a shit on the fourth right in front of me.
Nilopollis 2 years ago
Where is Fox News on this point, I dont see any comments from them?
tnydiat 2 years ago 3
'I don't give a goddamn,' Bush retorted. 'I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.'
'Mr. President,' one aide in the meeting said. 'There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.'
'Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,' Bush screamed back. 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper!'
77Aussie 2 years ago 7
Is that real?
Arondeus 2 years ago
I believe it is. The quotes are taken off the net, but there was already discussion about it some time back.
77Aussie 2 years ago 2
Does anyone else find it funny that the party accused of promoting absolute govt control, via the easy slanderous term socialism, is not the party that actually tried to implement absolute govt power?
eirefrance 2 years ago 4
Republicans would believe Obama is planning an all powerful government like in Communism. Clearly the Bush admin had already done that but without any of the positive steps to improve life for the working class.
smokeyorangutan 2 years ago 3
The damn terrorist were hanging out in the White house. They might all be mind controlled and programmed, but i have no doubts that is wasn't outside terrorists, it was the shitbag Republicans in charge. That sucks unbelievably much. The Republican party should be disbanded immediately and for good, because the real perps simply got away with false accusations toward "dark skinned people".
hypnofan35 2 years ago 3
Bush fucked America.
janebusby 2 years ago 4
This is not supposed to be the way things work over here, and it is generally deniable, but the top person on the pyramid of power can pretty much do whatever they want. The Republicans know this. Back in the 60s and 70s they were practically grabbing people off the street and sending them to their death. We forget that. They just want you to shut up and die, or become a felon or being dead for them. It was real death, but it was by no means a real war but another government scam for profit.
hypnofan35 2 years ago 4
You don't have to soft pedal the obvious crime of the people at the top of the Republican Administration were in on the911 demolition of the WTC and then they backed up their crimes with all manner of false accusations toward innocents. The took a super power penetrator to the collective but of the American People. At 61 i can certainly recognize a mountain of bullshit or Bush shit as the term would apply. Those dude need to atone with vaporization of their genetic material.
hypnofan35 2 years ago
the first amendment stuff is really ridiculous
mcalien24 2 years ago
So do something about it.
freshhug 2 years ago
What do you mean? Americans? DO something with their outrage? Ha!
Americans are the biggest cowards on Earth.
Arondeus 2 years ago
No they're not cowards, they are just busy playing Halo3.
DeletedDelusion 2 years ago
You might be right.
Arondeus 2 years ago
Based on the thumbs-down my comment is receiving, I must have upset some of my countrymen.
Well, 8 years ago the presidency was stolen by a cabal of insufferable traitors and we did NOTHING. A couple of years ago the Vice President claimed that his office was not part of the Executive branch and got away with it!
Face it. We're cowards. The American colonists who stood up to the British Empire would vomit if they met 99% of today's US population.
Arondeus 2 years ago 3
I've met many freak personalities in the Law school of the University of Lapland. That field draws people who appear to belong to the NWO, really diabolical and with incredible extremist rightist mindset
teemuruskeepaa 2 years ago
John Yoo's book, "War by Other Means" is an interesting read for anyone wondering what the admin was thinking/being told. Very, very, interesting, lol
L0uiseM 2 years ago
Is Obama waiting for the second term to go after Bush?
sm0key42o8 2 years ago
It still makes me laugh that Clinton was impeached for lying about sex , yet we can't touch Bush for all the horrible things he did and lied about.
jstutz2003 2 years ago 3
OMG!! what lies? there were no lies.
pulsar00815 2 years ago
No blown up buildings? There are widespread beliefs that at least WTC 7 was demolished.
DieDulciFruere 2 years ago
ALLAHU AKBAR! TYT NAATION ! AMEEEN!?
Haha Bush CAN'T be trialled. Why? He is part of the Elite. But African dictators are now heading for the Haag. Agree or False?
You decide XOXO Gossip Bitch.. Haha
Reqrezentin 2 years ago
this is fucking Nazi shit! plain and simple, no fucking debate, no argument, Nazism at its birth
crowdaddy13 2 years ago 2
knowing the kind of activist, liberal students that go to UC Berkeley, i am amazed that "Professor" Yoo hasn't been dragged from his classroom by the student body and hung by his balls in the middle of campus.
ScoundrelLB 2 years ago
Oh yes, very insightful. That's what happens at university demonstrations- the hanging of professors by their testicles. God, I must have just seen the crappy one's where they march around with signs protesting.
iwpoe 2 years ago
ok I'll address these things again. the memos were not broad. this Cent guy is theatrically exaggerating. the bypass of these ammendments was at the President's disgression only if the intelligence provided the need to do so.
pulsar00815 2 years ago
But who assesses the intelligence? Are there set standards? And who is accountable for error? When the executive licenses himself he is accountable for nothing and above the law. Can Obama declare war and disregard constitution term limits on the grounds that he needs to focus on protecting us? On your account, why or why not?
iwpoe 2 years ago
the intelligence is assessed by the CIA, NSA and Dept. of Homeland Security. you do know that the Democratic scum in the Congress were briefed about the possible use of these procedures don't you? who is accountable? apparently it's Bush by the Democratic loons who don't like him.
pulsar00815 2 years ago
That no objection was raised is a failure of the system on both counts. I don't particularly care if Democrats failed too.
Moreover, those you named are executive departments. Their assessment is merely a case of the executive licensing itself.
iwpoe 2 years ago
Obama can not declare war. the Congress declares war, or in Bush's case authorization to use force to remove Saddam for defying 12 years of UN resolutions and reinforcing the world's belief that he had wmd's.
pulsar00815 2 years ago
Fine then, I had been basing my previous question on your appeal to the powers of the president as a commander and chief. I'll change the question.
Provided his having such an authorization, could Obama use an authorization to use force to ignore constitutional term limits?
iwpoe 2 years ago
I'm not sure where you're going with this. if you mean could Obama use a declaration of war on Iran to gain a 3rd term or just automatically gain a 2nd term then I would have to say no.
pulsar00815 2 years ago
Well, why not? You've admitted that the executive upon the authorization of force can, at his discretion, ignore parts of the constitution. Why not term limits as well?
iwpoe 2 years ago
I suppose Obama could try it but it would never fly. both parties would look at him like he's nuts if he's insisting a war can only be won if he remains as the sitting president. the military generals running a war don't change just cuz a president does.
pulsar00815 2 years ago
You're smuggling in a standard of warrant outside the executive's discretion. "As commander in chief", he could judge it necessary, and on the reasoning you've given me he has full right to do so. After all, it seems, that anything goes when you claim to be protecting America.
If this is not so, tell me why not. Tell me what ground denies him that power. If you say that he cannot do so because it would be to violate the constitution then you must *also* say that Bush is limited as well.
iwpoe 2 years ago
well, if Obama had enough internal support to extend his term then I guess he could do it. Republicans of course would be up in arms about it. Bush had enough internal support for his preventitive measures, he asked if it was legal and the answer was yes. Democrats of course don't agree. you do realize that if this really was such a black and white area then Bush would have been impeached many many months ago. that didn't happen.
pulsar00815 2 years ago
I'm not asking whether he can get away with it. I'm asking whether he can do so *by law*. You seem to think political support is the same as legal right.
If all that matters is "support" why do we have a constitution and laws?
iwpoe 2 years ago
can he do it by law? probably not, it would have to be ruled upon by the federal court to determine if it is within his right. a federal court has already ruled that Bush's wiretapping did not violate the 4th ammendment due to his precautions taken and the nature of conducting those wiretaps.
pulsar00815 2 years ago
We've been arguing about another matter, namely whether the executive may at its discretion ignore the bill of rights simply upon the authorization of force. You have argued to the affirmative in the past. You have now changed your claim. You now say that the actions of the NSA are constitutional because they meet certain legal standards as determined in a court ruling. This amounts to admitting that the president is accountable to the law. Of course, these memos applied to far more than the NSA
iwpoe 2 years ago
my original claim was that Bush broke no laws. the entry of Iraq was authorized by the Congress. the wiretaps were deemed not to have violated the 4th ammendment. what constitutes torture depends on who you talk to. a declaration of war does not mean a president can disregard the Constitution or the Bill of Rights and Bush didn't violate either document according to the rule of law.
pulsar00815 2 years ago
No, you had originally characterized the constitution as "red tape", adding also (emphasis added), "if *in his judgment* as commander in chief he *decided* to *override* *any amendment* because *he determined* it was in the best interest of national security [...] then he had the right to do so."
That is a different claim from the one you are making now, i.e. that the president has to follow the law and that Bush did follow the law.
iwpoe 2 years ago
yes, parts of the Constitution can be considered to be red tape as it was never nor could be designed to address this type of 21st century terrorist warfare. Bush needed immediate lattitude with the ammendments which would have been prohibitive to maintaining national security. he worked within the law to do this and the federal court agreed considering the circumstances.
pulsar00815 2 years ago
I'll leave the veracity of these claims to someone who cares. I only care about getting things conceptually straight. I should say though, when you stop bleating on about scum this and scum that, you sound far more rational.
To change the topic, it's not clear to me how, with respect to the general rights outlined in the constitution, war has significantly changed. Things have larger effects and can be done quickly, but how does the bill of rights fail to accommodate for that change?
iwpoe 2 years ago
you're completely right, of course. the same people who would be most offended by the way this man used and abused the law to subvert both the constitution as well as our civil liberties are the people who would demand justice through due process and the rule of law, not by a lynching. that being said, i question the decision to put this man in the position of helping to shape the minds of future lawyers.
ScoundrelLB 2 years ago
hmm..I've been accused of trolling cuz I acuse you liberal scum of not knowing how to fight a terrorist threat on American soil. no Americans are sitting in jail cuz they spoke their mind, no newspapers have been shut down, no one's house or business has been blown up, no American's were abducted in the middle of the night. you guys are fishing for a prosecution that will never happen. btw if anyone's personal phone conversation happened to be overheard, I really don't care.
pulsar00815 2 years ago