"Maturity in a musician would be the point at which one is innocent at will." Although Fripp makes this quote about music, you could really apply it to any of The Arts. He is a brilliant man.
Does anyone know what kind of guitar Robert Fripp is using in this video? And, if its not the same as the guitar he played with King Crimson in the 1980s' what is that one?
...will vary. But saying you created that music is like saying a prism creates light. All the frequencies of light are always there. The prism just makes them visible. Fripp is taking that to a macroscopic level and saying the music already existed in the ether and the musicians who 'find' it are merely the prisms where the light becomes visible for time. This is anathema to atheists, and I am not judging either way, but I make music and tend towards Fripp's POV.
...your own filter distorting the ideas being presented. Speaking of filters, it is silly for atheists and spiritual people to argue. You will never agree. Fripp believes in a higher power translating the music. He isn't alone. Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, etc. all believed that as well. Some modern composers I am sure, did not. But to say a classical musician playing a master's piece is 'creating' music is inaccurate. Yes, they are recreating the sounds that were composed and the versions (cont)
The responses this brought are wildly entertaining, lol. Ok, first of all, intelligence does not equal pretense. And ironically, it is usually the smarter people who feel this way because they feel they are being talked down to and so get their backs up. It is a case of ego. You see someone intelligent, and your ego tells you that he thinks you are an idiot and probably won't understand what he is saying. I am guilty of it myself at times. You have to recognize it as your own filter (cont)
Fripp is an ass. He is so pretentious. His late work is a complete rip off of Brian Enos ambient works. Paul Gilbert can sweep him under the rug and he much more genuine, Fripp is a douche.
I enjoy listening to Mr. Fripp express himself verbally but I don't sit around and worry about his intelligence vs anyone else's. Just enjoy him and his music for their own merits.
The thing I've always wondered about Fripp is that while I can plainly see that he is very articulate and clearly more intelligent than the average "turkey", he is fully aware that while he is making music within the rock genre, many rock fans ARE "turkeys", and can't understand most of what he is saying. So what I'm wondering is this: does he deliberately talk over everybody's heads for the fun of it?
@jimbobanalbeats It depends on what you compare his intelligence to. One thing I do appreciate him for is his argument against the "guitar god" type personality.
@MorkaGraven What's significant about his vocabulary? Are you thinking of some other interview? He's speaking very deliberately but he's not using unusual language, unless I missed it.
I love King Crimson and grew up listening to Lizard, Court of the Crimson King etc but in this and other interviews he seems to come across as rather sanctimonious or pretentious. He should chill the fuck out and just play the music he loves to play. All this, almost Freudian analysis on being a classical / rock or whatever musician is just bollocks. Fripp is a virtuoso and he shouldn't need to justify it, just fucking play it.
@Zed1967 he comes off as pretentious because this the level at which he thinks, he's just an intellectual who happens to love music. an intellectual can't just play music because he loves to play it, an intellectual must disect it, delve into it, tear it apart and put it back together. he loves it. it's intellectuals like him that push the boundaries of what is music, and that is shown through king crimson and all of his side projects.
I wouldn't call that analysis Freudian, I would call it philosophical. I'm sure his attitude is necessary for the music to manifest. Why complain? The fruits of his attitude are clear.
This guy trying to act smart and sophisticated while he writes shitty songs like Starless where he strums one note the whole song. What a fag, get a life Fripp
@FOCtv he plays the little melody that occurs 00:22 into the song, plus the 'two note' section during the build-up is actually the same note played on two different strings (which is pretty awesome tbh), but he does change notes thoughout the build up, slowly going up (not sure if he's playing a scale or just randomly ascending).
everything he says is basically true. some of it is theory, but if you observe your emotions and habits or creativity, youll find parallels between what he says and reality.
For those of you who say that Fripp is pretentious or sounds so might recant your views and check out the YouTube videos, 'Robert Fripp: New York - Wimbourne (Parts 1,2 & 3). These videos show where Robert is coming from (so to speak). IMO he is anything but pretentious. He's just not willing to 'dumb-it-down' for (some mass bone-head audience).He speaks plain English with a basic vocabulary, but his thoughts are evolved, developed, not crude or rudimentary.
I believe I saw this on MTV in the mid to late 80's. This might all sound like mumbo jumbo or pretentiousness to some people, but really --- he is consistent in these notions. I attended a talk of his once, and many of these same words were spoken. Fripp was very generous to fellow musicians. He even refuses to criticize another musician, he says, out of respect. That is, anyone brave enough to give it his best shot deserves his respect. I think he is fundamentally humble.
@shubnumsingh Bill Bruford commented on this idea too: as I recall what he said, "pure" jazz in the 60's and 70's wasn't all that interesting, or rather, save for free jazz (he called it "squeaky bop jazz" in Prog Rock Britannia), there were very tight definitions as to what was or wasn't jazz. The whole message of progressive rock (and rock in general in the 60's/70's was "as long as it sounds cool, we don't give a fuck what it is." That why BB (and I guess RF) gravitated to rock more.
I love checking out the comments on King Crimson and Fripp videos. You (read: most) are such pretentious douchebags. I actually read the word "gestalt" used to describe a band lineup. Seriously, get over yourselves.
@oxonfineartist How is he pretentious. The very notion that someone think and presents their thoughts is pretentious. I think you need to reexamine the term.
@haroldz2323 Thinking and presenting ones thoughts is not pretentious, but statements such as "maturity as a musician is the ability to express innocence at will", or "if one works under the delusion that the musician creates music" are. They are meaningless and self important statements. If a musician doesn't create music, then what does he create?! If he isn't creating music, then he isn't a musician. It is just waffling 'artspeak' of the worst kind.
@oxonfineartist I have problems with Fripp's pretentiousness too, but I think most of us can agree with his point about musicians NOT creating music. It's like saying Columbus "discovered" America. It was already here and he accidentally bumped into it ! Fripp believes humans are just vessels or conduits and the music comes THRU us (just as classical musicians are nothing more than TOOLS for a composer who actually composed the music). (Classical musicians don't "make" music. They "play" it.)
@TouchingYou I think it is naive to suggest that a musician is only a 'conduit' for the music, that he 'bumps' into a composition, already miraculously pre- formed in some way. If classical musicians are no more than 'tools' for a composer, then we might as well programme machines to play their parts! Any musician brings something to the music when he plays it, because he/she is a sentient being.
@oxonfineartist Well, it seems for him, it's more that, as he experienced it in the 70s, musicians let their egos get in the way of the music; they didn't let the music they thought of come out because of their own desire to "self-express." I mean, he's never let the history of King Crimson keep him from making the music he hears in his head, and I believe that's his thrust: wherever the music comes from, don't let your pride, ego, fear, or whatever get in the way of it.
Holy fuck this guy is full of himself. What bullshit. "Reverberation Chamber Acoustic Research Lab". LOL. Unbelievable. You aren't curing cancer, douchebag, you're playing music on your guitar.
@fluxmuldar yes.....but he is still a man that has contributed to music. A lot of artist's not just myself are influenced by this turkey.....so I don't mind him having a few flaws.hahaha....so relax.
@fluxmuldar actually, the healing properties of music are huge and even you agree. in fact, I think some types of cancer can be counteracted by music too!
Gato, tocar bien la guitarra no es sacarle humo a ella (por la rapidez o técnica), sino que exprese tu sentimiento, y por ende , que suene como tu alma suena.
anyone who can't SPELL "boring" can hardly accuse ANYONE of being boring! If you get to know Robert, he's warm, funny, engaging. clearly, from your uninformed remarks, you've never met him - therefore, are clearly NOT qualified to make any comment.
in any case, I would rather be boring than illiterate (that means not knowing how to spell "boring" in case the words here are too long for you!).
Too bad all one has to do these days to recreate these sounds is get a MIDI pickup, but back in the day i'm sure this was lightyears ahead of its time.
@stutwostep Then finding a good representation of a GR-300 waveform, getting the right level of controllability, getting the latency down below 5ms... and it's RF, man. He can't/won't copy anybody, and nobody can copy him.
Technically, the Roland GR-300's tone generation system makes it WAY faster than most modern Guitar/MIDI systems today. And guitar synth requires a different thought process than regular guitar...
@eddievhfan1984 Latency could easily be controlled with any DAW, but more importantly than that, and back to the central point, the average listener would be unable to distinguish between a gr300 and any pedestrian processor available on zzounds. It's just like DAWs and analog moogs; most people couldn't distinguish excepts folks like us. Back in the day though, as I stated earlier, this probably blew people's lids off as there was nothing else to compare to.
How can people say that robert fripp is pretentious..?? is being intelligent and articulate, pretentious? I think his music and his world wide recognition dispels that assumption
I love Fripp and love King Crimson. Just love them. But this guy is easily the most pretentious musician I've ever seen or heard, and that's saying something.
@zenstain I don't think Fripp is trying to be obtuse or overly intellectual. I think he understands that humans are mostly just a compilation of cliches ("hi, how are you?" "fine, how are you") ("LOL") and he tries to not be so lazy and robotic. I have the same problem in that I despise ("y'know") cliches ("y'know") but if you talk intelligently, no one can fucking understand you, so we all gots to dumb down the way we talk so, y'know, we can all, 'y'know, communicate and shit. y'know?
I think what Fripp means when he say's putting a person on stage will make them humiliated because they're a turkey, he's saying that by being on stage, others will perceive an ego about you, and that is humiliating because any true musician is in it for the music, not the fame or even being on stage.
Turkey is a bit of an insult that I've heard before that generally means you're an arrogant or egotistical person.
That's what I made of it at least, and it made a lot of sense to me.
Seems like some people object to Fripp's rather 'mystical' view of Music, at Whose service he wishes to place himself. It is essentially a religious position he is espousing. Many consider it inappropriate to discuss one's religious views in public, and I think that is essentially the source of the objections to his speaking. But I think that the idea that he is somehow pretentious for believing this is just wrong. Many musicians, including Keith Richards, speak of inspiration in the same way.
@briteness Seems like many (arrogant) people like to cite superstitious nonsense in n effort to deflect serious debate on some subjects they have illogical emotional reactions (like yours) to. Fripp posits that he is somehow connected to a supernatural phenomenon that simply doesn't exist, while fraudulently deferring to humans as being weak, and incapable of grasping his concept fully. This is pretentious. I posited how energies work physically during the creative process. Call me wrong.
@0AllForNaught0 You are wrong, and also very angry, obviously. Funny that you should have said that it was ME who had an illogical emotional reaction...
@briteness Who's angry? Just because I use a bit of invective to get my point across doesn't denote anger. I'm just cynical about superstitious concepts that aggrandize ethereal notions of grandeur. Fripp belittles guitarists/composers that "don't get it" while positioning himself as "getting it" to put it in simple terms. That my friend, is the definition of pretentious. And absurd.
People are in and of themselves energy producing machines. We don't require "the force" to create from within.
Fripp is one of my absolute favorite musical philosophers. I get really tired of reading interviews with guitars players where they explain the creative process as, "Uh, I just try to, uh, you know, feel it, and then I play it. It's just like... yeah."
Alright - I thought I'd check this out for some cool Fripp Licks, and instead I got a Warhol-esque lecture on the esoteric nature of "music" - what a load of garbage. Humans don't create music? I guess we don't technically "create" any art then? Bullshit. As the 40 Year Old Virgin puts pussy on a pedestal, so too does Fripp do so with music. What a pretentious douche'bag.
All he's just saying is that there is a higher power that gives us all inspiration; that we don't just pull ideas out of our ass without some unknown force contributing. And as far as cool licks, well... if you expected him to shred like crazy in building Soundscapes, IDK...
@eddievhfan1984 Ahh... so, it's The Force then. All along I thought it was just genetics, and chemical electric reactions happening in my brain. Thanks man, I'm of to the Jedi Academy to get my lightsaber and supercool hoodie!
@0AllForNaught0 no, humans dont create music. they are the outlet. you cant get music straight from your own mind. you make a riff, its based off of something you heard. you make an original riff, its the creative force of music using you. if a man who has never heard any sort music his whole life, he has a very peculiar and interesting relationship with music. since he hasnt been taught blues licks, or even what blues licks sound like, hell use the creative forces to create something unique.
@DimebagsLeftToe No - it comes from the brain. This is all pretentious, self degrading nonsense. Humans ARE energetic beings. We generate, burn and produce all sorts of energy (chemical, electrical, thermal), not the least of which are the electrical impulses that unify our senses into cogent processes that allow creation from within.
Chi, the Soul, or whatever you want to call it - it's within us - not outside us. Fripp is a self flagellating moron.
@0AllForNaught0 But where does the brain come from? Read Isaac Asimov's short stories The Last Question, then The Last Answer. Your mind is an intricate part of the universe.
@gip13g The fact that you're siting a sci-fi (emphasis on "fi") author is intriguing. Do you also believe Xenu the galactic overlord dropped us into a volcano, and the concurrent eruption scattered our souls about the planet, eventually finding homes in our physical bodies? You and Tom Cruise would get along great!
@gip13g Good! You're on the road to recovery, then! The first step is always admitting you HAVE a problem.
Step 2: Explain in detail why I SHOULDN'T have taken your answer at "face value", and then re-post exactly what "value" I SHOULD have assigned to your comment. You didn't give me much - you just cited Isaac Asimov as a reliable surrogate for real world, viable information on our minds "intricate" connection to the universe.
@0AllForNaught0 I'm not going to do that, it would be a waste of time. you need to figure it out on your own. try reading those stories from an un sci fi point of view. there's always more than one way to look at anything.
@gip13g You know what? You're right! Here's my way of looking at it: All that great art that's been created sonically, from primitive man to the present? IT CAME OUT OF THEIR BRAINS. Just like the tools they used to create sounds CAME OUT OF THEIR BRAINS. We produce different energies from our mental/emotional states, and generate sounds/art accordingly. It's actually an amazing enough process without assigning mysticism to it. And we aren't "turkeys" as Fripp puts it.
@gip13g How anyone can look at the collective of human art, and design and think we're anything less than energetic, dynamic beings with incredible potential WITHOUT applying absurd mystical properties is stunning to me. The energies associated with emotion alone compel us to commit the darkest deeds (murder, rape, etc) or the most righteous of acts (charity, self sacrifice for others), and Fripp wants to assign some OUTSIDE force to these inspirations? BULLSHIT.
@gip13g Yeah, I know, isn't it a shame? Things would be so much better if everyone just saw things as they are - which is amazing enough without mystic outside forces. So much gets taken for granted by people like Fripp, and yourself.
@0AllForNaught0 Look man, saying i take things for granted is a personal attack on me. that hasn't been what this discussion has been about. you know nothing about me and what i do and don't take for granted. I don't have a problem with your beliefs, so i would appreciate if you didn't patronize mine. If you feel that way, thats ok, but keep it to yourself.
@gip13g Referring to "taking things for granted" as a personal attack is hilarious! Seriously, the emasculation (if you will...) of modern debate never ceases to amaze and delight me. But after that wears off, I get saddened by it...
Cheer up, spaghettio - no one was trying to hurt your feelings. I was just trying to get at the crux of what compels people to reach into mysticism as a surrogate for the wonders of reality, which indeed, you take for granted. Ouchies, I know, but live with it.
@0AllForNaught0 since you haven't found it, then there is no way for you to understand what i or any other "mystic" is talking about, and thats ok. i wish you well.
If I want to see amazing guitar playing, as in purely just the guitarist playing the hell out of a 6-string, I'd watch Steve Vai or Larry Carlton instead. But when I want to relax and listen to artistically deep soundscapes, which include guitar and make me think and take me on a thoughtful trip, that's when Robert Fripp records find their way into my cd/vinyl/mp3 player.
Errrr... I humbly suggest you think again, sir - this man has changed the world of music with his contributions. I'd say that's quite an achievement for being an overthinker...
If being serious takes him to creative paths beyond the reach of many other rock songwriters, notably his prog peers from the 70s, so be it. Robert Fripp is a genius and for me his words are worth their weight in gold.
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The man is sooooo fuckin serious, music can be fun Robert! your a great musician but you need to lighten up! his whole ethos feels like he's at a funeral, drop a trip, blow some dope, fuck a chick, drive a car, swim naked, maybe even smile sometimes,,, come on man,,, lifes too short,,,,,
@cmgill2 chill the fuck out. who cares about his personality? be more concerned with the music he produces and not his personal life. do you know him personally or something? musicians are for listening to and actors are for watching. who are we to judge their personalities? we as an audience of their work shouldn't be objected to their personalities in my opinion.
Yes I do actualy, I met him several times through his now wife Toyah Wilcox during the punk era, he was one of the most boreing and serious people I have ever met, he takes himself very serious and tends to complain a lot, that was and is my impression of him, he's only a musician not the saviour of mankind, he's a boreing fucker you cant change that
@cmgill2 Was he really that bad? From what I've seen from this interview and others, I have found him to be rather intriguing. I would love to talk to him about Music and Philosophy if I ever got the chance.
@YouKnowDatGuy Yes he was, my friend was doing the back stage catering and he had him sacked because he forgot to cut the crusts of the quartered sandwhiches, my friend tried to appologise but he wouldn't even see him. I play guitar myself and asked him a question once but he completely ignored me and I wasn't the only one.
@cmgill2 Based on what I've heard/read and not knowing the Maestro personally, I believe he is certainly opinionated as one would tend to be in his position. However I also think he wouldn't speak near as much if we didn't constantly ask him questions or FOR his opinion.
Bottom line...He's a genius. Love him or hate him.
billpeart 1 week ago
I do like that West County yokel burr in his voice. Him and Joe Meek ;-)
llanbo 3 weeks ago
"Maturity in a musician would be the point at which one is innocent at will." Although Fripp makes this quote about music, you could really apply it to any of The Arts. He is a brilliant man.
LilyLemony 4 weeks ago
Does anyone know what kind of guitar Robert Fripp is using in this video? And, if its not the same as the guitar he played with King Crimson in the 1980s' what is that one?
GangstaGTV 2 months ago
@GangstaGTV Roland gr300
marwatt1959 1 month ago
@GangstaGTV Roland GR303 Guitar Synthesizer. go to gr300(dot)com for more information.
TFMTraining 1 month ago
...will vary. But saying you created that music is like saying a prism creates light. All the frequencies of light are always there. The prism just makes them visible. Fripp is taking that to a macroscopic level and saying the music already existed in the ether and the musicians who 'find' it are merely the prisms where the light becomes visible for time. This is anathema to atheists, and I am not judging either way, but I make music and tend towards Fripp's POV.
tbenkey 3 months ago
...your own filter distorting the ideas being presented. Speaking of filters, it is silly for atheists and spiritual people to argue. You will never agree. Fripp believes in a higher power translating the music. He isn't alone. Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, etc. all believed that as well. Some modern composers I am sure, did not. But to say a classical musician playing a master's piece is 'creating' music is inaccurate. Yes, they are recreating the sounds that were composed and the versions (cont)
tbenkey 3 months ago
The responses this brought are wildly entertaining, lol. Ok, first of all, intelligence does not equal pretense. And ironically, it is usually the smarter people who feel this way because they feel they are being talked down to and so get their backs up. It is a case of ego. You see someone intelligent, and your ego tells you that he thinks you are an idiot and probably won't understand what he is saying. I am guilty of it myself at times. You have to recognize it as your own filter (cont)
tbenkey 3 months ago
Do Chefs create food or only work with it as a material in light of established forms? Then with new tools.
rgaleny 4 months ago
Some people are natural HAMS. So, being an exhibitionist comes natural to them. but they need discipline and material.
rgaleny 4 months ago
Fripp is an ass. He is so pretentious. His late work is a complete rip off of Brian Enos ambient works. Paul Gilbert can sweep him under the rug and he much more genuine, Fripp is a douche.
fbhall 4 months ago
@fbhall Yes, but admit it... you cannot help but watch his videos because he's an interesting and very entertaining pretentious douche.
funkster007 4 months ago
I enjoy listening to Mr. Fripp express himself verbally but I don't sit around and worry about his intelligence vs anyone else's. Just enjoy him and his music for their own merits.
spider62able 5 months ago
He's very intelligent, but if you want an intelligent yet honest musician I would rather point to Neil Peart than Robert Fripp.
VirtualDynamite 5 months ago
"rock is the 20th century classical music" Goddamn that's a great thought
cheaptrades 5 months ago
Ahh, youtube comments never fail to make me laugh out loud.
panksuzmuzhu 5 months ago
Truly, there shan't ever be a greater nerd.
UngKristen 5 months ago
It's a pity that great people are always shy and not rarely a bit arrogant, but that's nature nobody is perfect !!!
TheChave73 6 months ago
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Bagas 6 months ago
The thing I've always wondered about Fripp is that while I can plainly see that he is very articulate and clearly more intelligent than the average "turkey", he is fully aware that while he is making music within the rock genre, many rock fans ARE "turkeys", and can't understand most of what he is saying. So what I'm wondering is this: does he deliberately talk over everybody's heads for the fun of it?
casestudyification 7 months ago 2
@casestudyification He acts as though superior to others. If you remove his vocabulary, he's really not thaaaat intelligent.
MorkaGraven 6 months ago
@MorkaGraven No, he is actually a pretty intelligent dude. He does come off like a prick though.
jimbobanalbeats 6 months ago
@jimbobanalbeats It depends on what you compare his intelligence to. One thing I do appreciate him for is his argument against the "guitar god" type personality.
MorkaGraven 6 months ago
@MorkaGraven What's significant about his vocabulary? Are you thinking of some other interview? He's speaking very deliberately but he's not using unusual language, unless I missed it.
etherbingedotorg 5 months ago
Seeking song Spinning Dizzy on the Dial...any help would be appreciated, thanks
SuperMegaUberGenius 7 months ago
Robert Fripp as Dusty Rhoades,,,,, one smart individual, and creative w/ Brian Eno.
Man, I miss these guys. But then, I'm from 1977. Thanks Robert & Brian.
HEMIChopper69 7 months ago
He's so intelligent, it's amazing.
obscurebandfan 8 months ago
i wish i just had the video footage of him playing without the interview. not that the interview isn't good though...
perryhall1991 8 months ago
His interview reminds me of some of the liner notes I've read in cd's like B'Boom.
drewper73 8 months ago in playlist king crimson
what a crazy fucking dude
37sikora 9 months ago
be the turkey
itchyliabdo 9 months ago
what kinda guitar is that?
DimebagsLeftToe 9 months ago
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Roland g303 or g808
MrBaro1993 9 months ago
@MrBaro1993 303, the 808 was a bit more ornate visually.
eddievhfan1984 7 months ago
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Thank you! It's really hard to find this model. Check my Discipline cover if you want!
MrBaro1993 7 months ago
I love King Crimson and grew up listening to Lizard, Court of the Crimson King etc but in this and other interviews he seems to come across as rather sanctimonious or pretentious. He should chill the fuck out and just play the music he loves to play. All this, almost Freudian analysis on being a classical / rock or whatever musician is just bollocks. Fripp is a virtuoso and he shouldn't need to justify it, just fucking play it.
Zed1967 9 months ago
@Zed1967 he comes off as pretentious because this the level at which he thinks, he's just an intellectual who happens to love music. an intellectual can't just play music because he loves to play it, an intellectual must disect it, delve into it, tear it apart and put it back together. he loves it. it's intellectuals like him that push the boundaries of what is music, and that is shown through king crimson and all of his side projects.
apow369 9 months ago
@apow369 no,he's a boring musical twat who wishes he could play like jimmy page - end of.....
newchalk 8 months ago
@newchalk Go Fripp yourself.
DoctorNarpasLoveless 7 months ago 2
@newchalk Too bad you see it that way, if you understood music a bit more you'd find how magic his music is.
plpicher 5 months ago
@Zed1967
I wouldn't call that analysis Freudian, I would call it philosophical. I'm sure his attitude is necessary for the music to manifest. Why complain? The fruits of his attitude are clear.
AA19752012 8 months ago
He reminds me of Tyrell from Bladerunner.
MOSTechnology 10 months ago
This guy trying to act smart and sophisticated while he writes shitty songs like Starless where he strums one note the whole song. What a fag, get a life Fripp
MikeLamb24 10 months ago
@MikeLamb24 Nice try, but you are not funny, interesting, educational, or entertaining. Just lonely.
DAVWAVE 10 months ago
@MikeLamb24 Again, grow some taste good sir, or maybe go score some cock, it sounds like you're dying for some
HitmanJenkins1 10 months ago
@MikeLamb24
Wrong, wrong, wrong Mike. He plays two notes for the majority of Starless. Twice as many as you perceived.
FOCtv 9 months ago
@FOCtv he plays the little melody that occurs 00:22 into the song, plus the 'two note' section during the build-up is actually the same note played on two different strings (which is pretty awesome tbh), but he does change notes thoughout the build up, slowly going up (not sure if he's playing a scale or just randomly ascending).
crazyedd123 9 months ago
@crazyedd123 Oh, I was only trying to poke fun at MikeLamb24's comment. I LOVE King Crimson, and Starless is one of my favorite songs.
FOCtv 9 months ago
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@MikeLamb240/10 troll. are you even trying?
apow369 9 months ago
occasionally
cooltreats 10 months ago
I aint no goddam turkey Fripp!! gobble gobble oops sorry guess I am !
jsilence418 10 months ago
Robert, you are a god.
That is all. You know the rest.
revtkatt 11 months ago 4
These days it's rare to hear someone saying so much by saying so little.
zappatx 1 year ago 14
@zappatx
I hope you are being sarcastic. I wish I had some up with that one.
andybass61 3 months ago
also, 3:14 jizz in my pants
DimebagsLeftToe 1 year ago 2
everything he says is basically true. some of it is theory, but if you observe your emotions and habits or creativity, youll find parallels between what he says and reality.
DimebagsLeftToe 1 year ago 2
For those of you who say that Fripp is pretentious or sounds so might recant your views and check out the YouTube videos, 'Robert Fripp: New York - Wimbourne (Parts 1,2 & 3). These videos show where Robert is coming from (so to speak). IMO he is anything but pretentious. He's just not willing to 'dumb-it-down' for (some mass bone-head audience).He speaks plain English with a basic vocabulary, but his thoughts are evolved, developed, not crude or rudimentary.
UFOGEAR 1 year ago 12
@UFOGEAR
Erm. Yes he is pretentious. He constantly says really really obvious things in a round about over the top way.
andybass61 3 months ago
just being real and quite humorous. Just sounds intelligent to me, but really who gives a damn about what any of us say anyway on these little posts
olliearl 1 year ago
I believe I saw this on MTV in the mid to late 80's. This might all sound like mumbo jumbo or pretentiousness to some people, but really --- he is consistent in these notions. I attended a talk of his once, and many of these same words were spoken. Fripp was very generous to fellow musicians. He even refuses to criticize another musician, he says, out of respect. That is, anyone brave enough to give it his best shot deserves his respect. I think he is fundamentally humble.
nobodady1 1 year ago 3
'we are the turkey that we are"............
coreyagraph 1 year ago
like his subtle west-country talk!
galinirob 1 year ago
Hes not talking in coherent sentences
itsTempleofSound 1 year ago
@itsTempleofSound He's just improvising.
DavePerry2012 1 year ago
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Rock is more valuable in Jazz?? Now I understand why I thought Fripp always sucked
shubnumsingh 1 year ago
Rock is more valuable in Jazz?? Now I understand why I thought Fripp always sucked
shubnumsingh 1 year ago
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HarrrySpider 1 year ago
@shubnumsingh It did sound like that but he actually said "malleable", not valuable.
DavePerry2012 1 year ago
@shubnumsingh Bill Bruford commented on this idea too: as I recall what he said, "pure" jazz in the 60's and 70's wasn't all that interesting, or rather, save for free jazz (he called it "squeaky bop jazz" in Prog Rock Britannia), there were very tight definitions as to what was or wasn't jazz. The whole message of progressive rock (and rock in general in the 60's/70's was "as long as it sounds cool, we don't give a fuck what it is." That why BB (and I guess RF) gravitated to rock more.
eddievhfan1984 1 year ago
We're all turkeys ? Speak for yourself mate !
philgar5 1 year ago
"we are the turkey that we are" GENIUS!!!
oLdSkOoLkisS 1 year ago
I love checking out the comments on King Crimson and Fripp videos. You (read: most) are such pretentious douchebags. I actually read the word "gestalt" used to describe a band lineup. Seriously, get over yourselves.
TheSqueakyWaffle 1 year ago 2
Pretentious pseud.
oxonfineartist 1 year ago
@oxonfineartist How is he pretentious. The very notion that someone think and presents their thoughts is pretentious. I think you need to reexamine the term.
haroldz2323 1 year ago
@haroldz2323 Thinking and presenting ones thoughts is not pretentious, but statements such as "maturity as a musician is the ability to express innocence at will", or "if one works under the delusion that the musician creates music" are. They are meaningless and self important statements. If a musician doesn't create music, then what does he create?! If he isn't creating music, then he isn't a musician. It is just waffling 'artspeak' of the worst kind.
oxonfineartist 1 year ago
@oxonfineartist I have problems with Fripp's pretentiousness too, but I think most of us can agree with his point about musicians NOT creating music. It's like saying Columbus "discovered" America. It was already here and he accidentally bumped into it ! Fripp believes humans are just vessels or conduits and the music comes THRU us (just as classical musicians are nothing more than TOOLS for a composer who actually composed the music). (Classical musicians don't "make" music. They "play" it.)
TouchingYou 1 year ago
@TouchingYou I think it is naive to suggest that a musician is only a 'conduit' for the music, that he 'bumps' into a composition, already miraculously pre- formed in some way. If classical musicians are no more than 'tools' for a composer, then we might as well programme machines to play their parts! Any musician brings something to the music when he plays it, because he/she is a sentient being.
oxonfineartist 1 year ago
@oxonfineartist Well, it seems for him, it's more that, as he experienced it in the 70s, musicians let their egos get in the way of the music; they didn't let the music they thought of come out because of their own desire to "self-express." I mean, he's never let the history of King Crimson keep him from making the music he hears in his head, and I believe that's his thrust: wherever the music comes from, don't let your pride, ego, fear, or whatever get in the way of it.
eddievhfan1984 1 year ago
we are all turkeys
EGGJAZZ 1 year ago 32
@EGGJAZZ I've always seemed more of a Platypus. But It's still the same.
rgaleny 4 months ago
Holy fuck this guy is full of himself. What bullshit. "Reverberation Chamber Acoustic Research Lab". LOL. Unbelievable. You aren't curing cancer, douchebag, you're playing music on your guitar.
fluxmuldar 1 year ago
@fluxmuldar you think that musicians should be doctors in the spare time or something?
vukstanovcic 1 year ago
@fluxmuldar yes.....but he is still a man that has contributed to music. A lot of artist's not just myself are influenced by this turkey.....so I don't mind him having a few flaws.hahaha....so relax.
haroldz2323 1 year ago
@fluxmuldar go away
blind333reaper 1 year ago 2
@fluxmuldar actually, the healing properties of music are huge and even you agree. in fact, I think some types of cancer can be counteracted by music too!
TouchingYou 1 year ago 2
Gato, tocar bien la guitarra no es sacarle humo a ella (por la rapidez o técnica), sino que exprese tu sentimiento, y por ende , que suene como tu alma suena.
albovial 1 year ago
cmgill2
anyone who can't SPELL "boring" can hardly accuse ANYONE of being boring! If you get to know Robert, he's warm, funny, engaging. clearly, from your uninformed remarks, you've never met him - therefore, are clearly NOT qualified to make any comment.
in any case, I would rather be boring than illiterate (that means not knowing how to spell "boring" in case the words here are too long for you!).
ta ta now
:-)
pureambient17 1 year ago
Good old Robert.
Been the backdrop to my life since 73.
Heard half the world snitch his ideas, by now.
WackaJawacka 1 year ago
Too bad all one has to do these days to recreate these sounds is get a MIDI pickup, but back in the day i'm sure this was lightyears ahead of its time.
stutwostep 1 year ago
@stutwostep It still isn't that easy.
eddievhfan1984 1 year ago
@eddievhfan1984 MIDI pickup, ableton...bam.
stutwostep 1 year ago
@stutwostep Then finding a good representation of a GR-300 waveform, getting the right level of controllability, getting the latency down below 5ms... and it's RF, man. He can't/won't copy anybody, and nobody can copy him.
Technically, the Roland GR-300's tone generation system makes it WAY faster than most modern Guitar/MIDI systems today. And guitar synth requires a different thought process than regular guitar...
eddievhfan1984 1 year ago
@eddievhfan1984 Latency could easily be controlled with any DAW, but more importantly than that, and back to the central point, the average listener would be unable to distinguish between a gr300 and any pedestrian processor available on zzounds. It's just like DAWs and analog moogs; most people couldn't distinguish excepts folks like us. Back in the day though, as I stated earlier, this probably blew people's lids off as there was nothing else to compare to.
stutwostep 1 year ago
one of the more well-spoken rockstars.
evanhaynes64 1 year ago 3
some compelling points on musicianship, i wouldn't put him down as pretentious, more modest and honest in his analysis of self questioning!
zakross1987 1 year ago
@cmgill2 Only if you're a dumbfuck :)
StarlessL5 1 year ago
Robert fripp is a jive turkey HAHAHA
exodia333 1 year ago
@exodia333 HE IS NOT!
Crimzoid21 1 year ago
@Crimzoid21 dude chill out i was joking
exodia333 1 year ago
@exodia333 Lol I was kidding, I know you were reffering to what he said. I'm a very random person :P
Crimzoid21 1 year ago
In a strange kind of way, Fripp unintentionally made Shoegaze :)
DeadWhiteButterflies 1 year ago
As mush as I love Fripp, he doesn't half talk some shite!
bigguscurlyus 1 year ago
How can people say that robert fripp is pretentious..?? is being intelligent and articulate, pretentious? I think his music and his world wide recognition dispels that assumption
MrOzgooner 1 year ago
"Is it humiliating for me to appear in public? Yes!" I love Fripp.
spitfire71068 1 year ago 24
we're all turkeys.
3rdofcatjay 1 year ago
I love Fripp and love King Crimson. Just love them. But this guy is easily the most pretentious musician I've ever seen or heard, and that's saying something.
zenstain 1 year ago
@zenstain
Agreed. But lets face it, the pretentiousness is part of the reason we love prog!
tiki2188 1 year ago
@zenstain I don't think Fripp is trying to be obtuse or overly intellectual. I think he understands that humans are mostly just a compilation of cliches ("hi, how are you?" "fine, how are you") ("LOL") and he tries to not be so lazy and robotic. I have the same problem in that I despise ("y'know") cliches ("y'know") but if you talk intelligently, no one can fucking understand you, so we all gots to dumb down the way we talk so, y'know, we can all, 'y'know, communicate and shit. y'know?
TouchingYou 1 year ago
I think what Fripp means when he say's putting a person on stage will make them humiliated because they're a turkey, he's saying that by being on stage, others will perceive an ego about you, and that is humiliating because any true musician is in it for the music, not the fame or even being on stage.
Turkey is a bit of an insult that I've heard before that generally means you're an arrogant or egotistical person.
That's what I made of it at least, and it made a lot of sense to me.
sdceoltatney 1 year ago 4
Seems like some people object to Fripp's rather 'mystical' view of Music, at Whose service he wishes to place himself. It is essentially a religious position he is espousing. Many consider it inappropriate to discuss one's religious views in public, and I think that is essentially the source of the objections to his speaking. But I think that the idea that he is somehow pretentious for believing this is just wrong. Many musicians, including Keith Richards, speak of inspiration in the same way.
briteness 1 year ago
@briteness Seems like many (arrogant) people like to cite superstitious nonsense in n effort to deflect serious debate on some subjects they have illogical emotional reactions (like yours) to. Fripp posits that he is somehow connected to a supernatural phenomenon that simply doesn't exist, while fraudulently deferring to humans as being weak, and incapable of grasping his concept fully. This is pretentious. I posited how energies work physically during the creative process. Call me wrong.
0AllForNaught0 1 year ago
@0AllForNaught0 You are wrong, and also very angry, obviously. Funny that you should have said that it was ME who had an illogical emotional reaction...
briteness 1 year ago
@briteness Who's angry? Just because I use a bit of invective to get my point across doesn't denote anger. I'm just cynical about superstitious concepts that aggrandize ethereal notions of grandeur. Fripp belittles guitarists/composers that "don't get it" while positioning himself as "getting it" to put it in simple terms. That my friend, is the definition of pretentious. And absurd.
People are in and of themselves energy producing machines. We don't require "the force" to create from within.
0AllForNaught0 1 year ago
As good as this is, it's still not an interview. Just his monologue. I
MatsOrbation 1 year ago
Fripp is one of my absolute favorite musical philosophers. I get really tired of reading interviews with guitars players where they explain the creative process as, "Uh, I just try to, uh, you know, feel it, and then I play it. It's just like... yeah."
Oceanmachine27 1 year ago 2
Sounds like the stuff they pipe in at the Chinese buffet around the corner.
boatbutter 1 year ago
@boatbutter
:)
figaz555 1 year ago
@boatbutter LOL
DRATCHFAN 1 year ago
Tonnerre
Bowoglo 1 year ago
Alright - I thought I'd check this out for some cool Fripp Licks, and instead I got a Warhol-esque lecture on the esoteric nature of "music" - what a load of garbage. Humans don't create music? I guess we don't technically "create" any art then? Bullshit. As the 40 Year Old Virgin puts pussy on a pedestal, so too does Fripp do so with music. What a pretentious douche'bag.
0AllForNaught0 1 year ago
All he's just saying is that there is a higher power that gives us all inspiration; that we don't just pull ideas out of our ass without some unknown force contributing. And as far as cool licks, well... if you expected him to shred like crazy in building Soundscapes, IDK...
eddievhfan1984 1 year ago
@eddievhfan1984 Ahh... so, it's The Force then. All along I thought it was just genetics, and chemical electric reactions happening in my brain. Thanks man, I'm of to the Jedi Academy to get my lightsaber and supercool hoodie!
0AllForNaught0 1 year ago
@0AllForNaught0 no, humans dont create music. they are the outlet. you cant get music straight from your own mind. you make a riff, its based off of something you heard. you make an original riff, its the creative force of music using you. if a man who has never heard any sort music his whole life, he has a very peculiar and interesting relationship with music. since he hasnt been taught blues licks, or even what blues licks sound like, hell use the creative forces to create something unique.
DimebagsLeftToe 1 year ago
@DimebagsLeftToe No - it comes from the brain. This is all pretentious, self degrading nonsense. Humans ARE energetic beings. We generate, burn and produce all sorts of energy (chemical, electrical, thermal), not the least of which are the electrical impulses that unify our senses into cogent processes that allow creation from within.
Chi, the Soul, or whatever you want to call it - it's within us - not outside us. Fripp is a self flagellating moron.
0AllForNaught0 1 year ago
@0AllForNaught0 But where does the brain come from? Read Isaac Asimov's short stories The Last Question, then The Last Answer. Your mind is an intricate part of the universe.
gip13g 1 year ago
@gip13g The fact that you're siting a sci-fi (emphasis on "fi") author is intriguing. Do you also believe Xenu the galactic overlord dropped us into a volcano, and the concurrent eruption scattered our souls about the planet, eventually finding homes in our physical bodies? You and Tom Cruise would get along great!
0AllForNaught0 1 year ago
@0AllForNaught0 that fact that you are so unimaginative that you take the work i cited at face value is troubling to me.
gip13g 1 year ago
@gip13g Good! You're on the road to recovery, then! The first step is always admitting you HAVE a problem.
Step 2: Explain in detail why I SHOULDN'T have taken your answer at "face value", and then re-post exactly what "value" I SHOULD have assigned to your comment. You didn't give me much - you just cited Isaac Asimov as a reliable surrogate for real world, viable information on our minds "intricate" connection to the universe.
0AllForNaught0 1 year ago
@0AllForNaught0 I'm not going to do that, it would be a waste of time. you need to figure it out on your own. try reading those stories from an un sci fi point of view. there's always more than one way to look at anything.
gip13g 1 year ago
@gip13g You know what? You're right! Here's my way of looking at it: All that great art that's been created sonically, from primitive man to the present? IT CAME OUT OF THEIR BRAINS. Just like the tools they used to create sounds CAME OUT OF THEIR BRAINS. We produce different energies from our mental/emotional states, and generate sounds/art accordingly. It's actually an amazing enough process without assigning mysticism to it. And we aren't "turkeys" as Fripp puts it.
0AllForNaught0 1 year ago
@gip13g How anyone can look at the collective of human art, and design and think we're anything less than energetic, dynamic beings with incredible potential WITHOUT applying absurd mystical properties is stunning to me. The energies associated with emotion alone compel us to commit the darkest deeds (murder, rape, etc) or the most righteous of acts (charity, self sacrifice for others), and Fripp wants to assign some OUTSIDE force to these inspirations? BULLSHIT.
0AllForNaught0 1 year ago
@0AllForNaught0 well, everyone has their own unique way of seeing the world. it's good that you are so confident.
gip13g 1 year ago
@gip13g Yeah, I know, isn't it a shame? Things would be so much better if everyone just saw things as they are - which is amazing enough without mystic outside forces. So much gets taken for granted by people like Fripp, and yourself.
0AllForNaught0 1 year ago
@0AllForNaught0 Look man, saying i take things for granted is a personal attack on me. that hasn't been what this discussion has been about. you know nothing about me and what i do and don't take for granted. I don't have a problem with your beliefs, so i would appreciate if you didn't patronize mine. If you feel that way, thats ok, but keep it to yourself.
gip13g 1 year ago
@gip13g Referring to "taking things for granted" as a personal attack is hilarious! Seriously, the emasculation (if you will...) of modern debate never ceases to amaze and delight me. But after that wears off, I get saddened by it...
Cheer up, spaghettio - no one was trying to hurt your feelings. I was just trying to get at the crux of what compels people to reach into mysticism as a surrogate for the wonders of reality, which indeed, you take for granted. Ouchies, I know, but live with it.
0AllForNaught0 1 year ago
@0AllForNaught0 since you haven't found it, then there is no way for you to understand what i or any other "mystic" is talking about, and thats ok. i wish you well.
gip13g 1 year ago
@0AllForNaught0
Isaac Asimov was much more than a sci-fi author
soupie 1 year ago
@soupie Lol - and so was L. Ron Hubbard. He's got his own religion to prove it!!
0AllForNaught0 1 year ago
@0AllForNaught0
but, Hubbard was a simpleton compared to asimov.
lol
soupie 1 year ago
@soupie ... but Asimov doesn't have his own religion (Scientology), so simpleton or not...
0AllForNaught0 1 year ago
@0AllForNaught0 sorry, "if a man has never heard any sort of music his whole life, he..."
DimebagsLeftToe 1 year ago
Sounds like the reverse guitar on the Lizard album. Beautiful.
elviss 1 year ago
He's a "turkey" - lol! I saw the Beat and Perfect Pair concerts at the Greek Theater in San Francisco, and I can say there were no "turkeys" there!
Probably two of the most beautiful, spiritual musical experiences in my life.
Thanks Bob.
tacomadc 1 year ago
Dude..music is what you want it to be!!...this guy is good..amazing..but he is to..i dunno..stiff..is that the word? lol
michaeljackson407 1 year ago
he's so cool and marginal, whut a faggot
boisbrut 1 year ago
fripp probroly plays in that reverberation chamber all day
Roberthenryii 1 year ago
i can't help being fascinated by his philosophical view on musical art and its performers :)
Woilem 1 year ago
It's great listening to his music, but fatiguing listening to him talk. Shut up and play your guitar.
adamresyk2112 1 year ago
@abrookes1985 Happy to help you learn to spell - F-U-C-K-O-F-F got it!
cmgill2 1 year ago
@abrookes1985
lol at you implying that I am wrong; it is an opinion.
2010profile 1 year ago
great jacket............
coreyagraph 1 year ago
If I want to see amazing guitar playing, as in purely just the guitarist playing the hell out of a 6-string, I'd watch Steve Vai or Larry Carlton instead. But when I want to relax and listen to artistically deep soundscapes, which include guitar and make me think and take me on a thoughtful trip, that's when Robert Fripp records find their way into my cd/vinyl/mp3 player.
He has my utmost respect.
Vestu 1 year ago 2
His fame is solely based on him creating new technology in my opinion.
2010profile 1 year ago
I really love Crimson, but Fripp really needs to chill out. He over thinks, and should just spend an afternoon in front of the tv and zone out!
adamresyk2112 1 year ago
@adamresyk2112 :
Errrr... I humbly suggest you think again, sir - this man has changed the world of music with his contributions. I'd say that's quite an achievement for being an overthinker...
elmerexpress 1 year ago
It's fairly obvious to everyone else that we're the turkey that we are.
benweitzman 1 year ago
If being serious takes him to creative paths beyond the reach of many other rock songwriters, notably his prog peers from the 70s, so be it. Robert Fripp is a genius and for me his words are worth their weight in gold.
CrimsonKing589051 1 year ago
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The man is sooooo fuckin serious, music can be fun Robert! your a great musician but you need to lighten up! his whole ethos feels like he's at a funeral, drop a trip, blow some dope, fuck a chick, drive a car, swim naked, maybe even smile sometimes,,, come on man,,, lifes too short,,,,,
cmgill2 1 year ago
LOL He does smile, but like the man said, he's a classical musician in personality, but finds rock more expressive for him.
eddievhfan1984 1 year ago
Why don't you go away and have a pina colada "dude!"
calum66 1 year ago
@calum66 That was a great idea I just happened to have some Mountgay rum left from Barbados!
cmgill2 1 year ago
@cmgill2 chill the fuck out. who cares about his personality? be more concerned with the music he produces and not his personal life. do you know him personally or something? musicians are for listening to and actors are for watching. who are we to judge their personalities? we as an audience of their work shouldn't be objected to their personalities in my opinion.
azurenscens 1 year ago
Yes I do actualy, I met him several times through his now wife Toyah Wilcox during the punk era, he was one of the most boreing and serious people I have ever met, he takes himself very serious and tends to complain a lot, that was and is my impression of him, he's only a musician not the saviour of mankind, he's a boreing fucker you cant change that
cmgill2 1 year ago 2
@cmgill2 Was he really that bad? From what I've seen from this interview and others, I have found him to be rather intriguing. I would love to talk to him about Music and Philosophy if I ever got the chance.
YouKnowDatGuy 1 year ago
@YouKnowDatGuy Yes he was, my friend was doing the back stage catering and he had him sacked because he forgot to cut the crusts of the quartered sandwhiches, my friend tried to appologise but he wouldn't even see him. I play guitar myself and asked him a question once but he completely ignored me and I wasn't the only one.
cmgill2 1 year ago
@cmgill2 Based on what I've heard/read and not knowing the Maestro personally, I believe he is certainly opinionated as one would tend to be in his position. However I also think he wouldn't speak near as much if we didn't constantly ask him questions or FOR his opinion.
cranie4 1 year ago
Hi, can anyone give me any advice of Robert Fripp's picking approach? ....besides practice.
Is it usually strict alternate or some economy picking?
When he does his famous cross picking, is it down down up or alternate picked? thanks
stevieVantanna 2 years ago