The patriot deleted scene

[11Cheesewaffles]

There will never be an american revoulotion film which is bias towards americans or that wont have the militia doing backflips and fighting off thousands of redcoats with a spear on top of a mountain

[BettorOffSingle]

The producer, Emmerich, is german, and some said they were trying to make the Nazis look better by comparison.

[SirBlendalot]

@BettorOffSingle You butthurt good sire ?

[talktob3cks]

He died. My bad.

[DEAMONITES]

Colonel Tavington is awesome cos he's played by jason isaacs

[kaisertressel]

Excellent movie; thanks for the deleted scenes!

God Bless America!

[sandragojani]

I only saw tavington as the bad guy in this movie, not all the brits.

[darthraven178]

wait wait wait wait wait did tavington love or new the aunt or something

[parfitt21]

the british never tortued its prisoners...

im sorry, but they just didnt do that

they fought as gentlemen, obeying the rules of war

[Amityt0791]

is it? well then why did the sepoys in the 1857 mutiny get tied to the mouth of cannons after defeat? i am talking about the sepoy mutiny in india.........................­...just read the history of british raj in india............there are loads of cases of torture perpetrated by the brits......

[parfitt21]

i was referring to this time period, the 1770s

you are talking about incidents that happened in the 1850s, nearly 80 years afterwords

read on the american revolution

neither side tortured their enemies

[ArieiDelmonte]

It's Hollywood and a Mel Gibson movie. Not generally very truthful. This movie is probably just one of the worst with non-truth.

[parfitt21]

yes i know... in order to make mel gibson seem like the good character, they have to portray the british as the bad guys...

but dont forget that the british fought to protect its colonies from the french and indians during the seven year's war...

in simple terms, our country's founding fathers were rebels

on the signing of the declaration of independence, every one of them committed treason

[ArieiDelmonte]

Oh I know. I love this time period.

The British were just trying to discipline a rebellious child in a manner of speaking.

Also, not all of the colonists wanted independence anyway.

[parfitt21]

you said it perfectly :)

im in an AP United States History class...

and my school teaches nothing to make the british seem like the bad guys lol

a thrid of colonists wanted independence, a third wanted to stay loyal to britain, and a third didnt care either way lol

[MaxRWF]

They just invented deportation (Great Upheaval), concentration camps (Boer wars) and genocide (Great Irish Famine)

[parfitt21]

1. deportation is not murder or torture

2. boer war concentration camps were not nearly as bad as other concentration camps were, like in germany

3. i have no idea what made you think a famine is anything close to genocide, but whatever it was, its really fucked up

genocide is the mass murder of a people

a famine is a crop failure...

could you tell me what the fucking connection between the two is? thanks

[MaxRWF]

1. Deportation is a crime made by Stalin, Hitler... and the British. True gentlemen, indeed...

2. No, they were just as nice as the Serbian concentration camps...

3. Yeah a "natural" famine which kills only the catholics. Nature can be so discriminating sometimes...

[parfitt21]

none of these were murder or torture

fuck off

[elenaiubire]

you do not have to much brain is it?

famine is worse than genocide, because most of the new come people in auschwitz were gased, but when you take all the food, that is death in 2 months -1 year pain.

see: watch?v=vVH_qkeLs-E

on youtube

[popeconcon]

The Irish famine had nothing at all to do with the British it was because Ireland was solely reliant on potatoes, when that crop became diseased and wouldn't grow the people starved there was no deliberate actions, also have you heard of the Romans, Egyptians or just about any other nation with an Imperial history? Concentration camps and deportation was nothing new.

[MaxRWF]

@popeconcon

The potato disease struck the entire Europe but only the (catholic) Irish died by thousands thanks to years of colonisation fom England and deliberate segregation against Irish people.

True that the British renewed the ancient deportation thing, but let me laugh when I read here that "British fight like gentlemen"...

[mightywindmill102]

America did those things too. You were one of the last to give up slavery, you deported en masse the American Indians and don't get me started on the piece of shit camps White Americans forced the locals onto. In fact, those camps came BEFORE the Boer War, so if anyone invented concentration camps it was the USA. I'm pretty sure indiscriminate slaughter of American Indian families counts as genocide too. Don't be so up yourself you sanctimonius American fuck. No country is perfect.

[mightywindmill102]

Oh wait no, you're FRENCH. Your perception of history isn't likely to be seen through a So the persecution of the Huguenots (which came before the Famine which was just a crop failure, not a systematic slaughter of people based on religion or race) isn't genocide? And the fact that France gave up slavery after Britain is something you just gloss over is it? And the persecution of Buddhists in French Indochina doesn't count either?

[MaxRWF]

@mightywindmill102

The religious war was a civil war : catholics were slaughter by protestants too. British aboliton was ineffective cause, it was abolished in the British Isles (were there was no slavery actually, lol), but not in its colonies where the slavery was maintained. France abolished slavery 15 years later but France in its every possessions. There was no budhist persecution in indochina and no other country acted like complete assholes troughout history like the Brits.

[mightywindmill102]

There WAS slavery in Britain. There was a law which stated any slave that set foot on British land became free. And if France were so noble in abolishing slavery, why did they try to retake Haiti, a slave republic for the sole purpose of economic exploitation? No Buddhist persecution in Indochina? Armed Catholics in Vietnam (armed by France) ritually burnt Buddhist villages! Britain isn't perfect, but to say we INVENTED genocide, deportation, etc is a gross misinterpretation of history.

[mightywindmill102]

Oh and fail. Napoleon in 1802 actually REINTRODUCED slavery. So not only did he get pwned by the British on the battlefield, he took one giant step backwards for France in terms of cultural enlightenment. If anyone's abolition of slavery was "ineffective", it was France's!

[MaxRWF]

Back in 1315, a French law stated that «"France" signifies freedom and that any slave setting foot on the French ground should be freed». Brits taught mass mudrerers that you can act like total assholes during wars (deportation, concentration camps, ethnic cleansing...) without being worried. So, saying on youtube that British fight like gentlemen is ridiculous, that was the point to my first comment. BTW Britain couldn't defeat Napoleon, every european monarchies coalised to defeat him.

[mightywindmill102]

First of all, British navies defeated Napoleon time and time again. Trafalgar, Nile, etc. Secondly, it was a largely, and very largely British force under a British General that ultimately crushed Napoleon, and exiled him to a small island where he died alone and impoverished. And it doesn't matter if in 1315 they said that, the fact is France took a backwards step and then re-legalised it. That's worse than having never abolished it!

[MaxRWF]

Two times (~1809, ~1812) Britain was about to collapse thanks to the continental blocus. Everytime their asses were saved by Austria or Russia attacking France.

Britain had a secondary role in the Napoleonic wars, they most notable action was to pay Austrians to fight for them.

In Waterloo, only ~20% of the coalised troops were actually British (counting the Irish). Most of them were Germans, Dutch or Belgians. And without the Prussian arrival, Waterloo would be a French victory.

[mightywindmill102]

First of all, the British troop count was more like 60% and above. Secondly, it was Wellington (British General) who had the wits to beat Napoleon. Thirdly, I love how you gloss over the fact that Nelson destroyed France several times at sea with no outside help. Fourthly, it doesn't matter if Britain was "about" to collapse, because in the end, they didn't. The better country won. Democratic state always triumphs over republican dictatorships in the end I'm afraid.

[MaxRWF]

The Prussians represented 50% of the coalised army in Waterloo. The other 50% were British & Irish (22%), Dutch, Belgians, Nassauers, Hanovrians and Brunswickians. Wellington was Irish, not British.

The democratic states ? Lol, I didn't knew that the Kaiser of Prussia, the tzar of Russia, the Emperor of Austria and the king of Britain were democrats. Thank god the new republican ideals finally won, even the old-fashioned British aristocracy is dead and gone.

[mightywindmill102]

Had you any knowledge of British history, you would know that by that time, the Monarchy was largely toothless, and was becoming even more so. The Parliament was elected. Yes it wasn't full suffrage, but a damn sight better than nobody having any vote whatsoever like it was in France. And they reintroduced slavery, as previously pointed out.

[MaxRWF]

Napoléon had a lot of power but many time the people had the possibilily to vote by universal suffrage something the "democratic" Britain will not experience until 1918 ! There was much more possibility for common people in France at that time, while in Britain, the better jobs were reserved to the arstocracy : 80% of the french officers became officers thanks to their ability while it was only 10% in Britain. This is one aspect that explain the succes of the Grande Armée : better officers.

[mightywindmill102]

The Grande Armée wasn't all the successful, seeing as it was in the end crushed by the apparently inferior British officers. Napoleon didn't just have a lot of power, he had all of it! He was exactly the same as the old Monarchy that had preceded him.

[MaxRWF]

Keeping the european continent under control for 20 years, seeing the French flag floating in Moscow, Berlin, Vienna, Rome, Madrid... is something no other country has ever experienced. And certainly not Britain which had conquered only primitive territories...

Napoleon learnt the lessons of the French Revolution and always kept the population from starvation, feudalism and injustice.

[mightywindmill102]

Do I detect a hint of jealousy? France never had the kind of Empire Britain had because France wasn't good at fighting wars. Its that simple. And don't say only Britain conquered " primitive" territories, France had colonies in Africa and Indochina who were "primitive." Also I think you'll find Germany had their flags flying in quite a few European capitals, including Paris!

And keeping the people under the jackboot of republican dictatorship like Napoleon did doesn't seem like justice to me...

[MaxRWF]

@mightywindmill102

Everybody had a colonial empire, the French one was quite huge too. But it's not that hard to slaughter primitive tribes with gatling guns... Well, even if the zulus, the madhists and the Afghans gave Brits a run for their money. Why are you speaking about Germans, aren't you British ? What jackboot ? Never a monarch in history was more popular than Napoleon in France...

[mightywindmill102]

It doesn't matter what nationality I am, historically you were incorrect. France was not the only one to have a European Empire, Germany had one too, and a much larger one at that. And all of that I believe was in the 1800's, when technology was primitive. In the 1950's, France's so called elite forces were first destroyed by some Vietnamese peasants, and then shortly afterwards, the same troops were thrashed by Algerians. So even with modern weapons, France still lost to a bunch of peasants.

[MaxRWF]

@mightywindmill102

Actually, the French Empire was bigger (from Lisbon to Moscow) than the german occupied Europe. It lasted longer (20 years) and it's easier to conquer lands with motorized panzers than with its own feet. We lost in Vietnam like USA which have not an insignificant army. We never lost a battle during the Algerian war, but keeping French Algeria meant doing a genocide. But French don't do such a thing, we are not British.

[mightywindmill102]

No, what happened was you were kicked out forcible. In fact after World War 2, Britain peacefully gave up its Empire. India was (reluctantly admittedly, but still) given independence with no questions asked. Canada, Australia, and New Zealand were already self governing. African states were also given independence. In fact, Britain received international praise for its decolonisation efforts. During this time however, France was still trying to reassert itself...and failed massively.

[MaxRWF]

@mightywindmill102

France gave peacefully independence to most of its colonies. But in Algeria the entire Christian and jewish communities and an important pro-French muslim population wanted to stay French and risked to be slaughtered by Algerian nationalists. They deserved protection.

[mightywindmill102]

Well that's funny, it says here the predominant population of Algeria is Arab/Berber, and Islam is followed by 99% of its inhabitants. So you are saying that a war in Algeria, costing about 150,000 Algerian casualties and thousands of French casualties was worth it for a tiny population of mostly European pro-French supporters who had the means to just move to France anyway (which they all did after the war?) That is low.

[MaxRWF]

lol, that's the post-independence percentage, after the christian and jewish Algerian withdraw from Algeria to France (exode pieds noirs), and after the Algerian gouvernement slaughtered the pro-French muslims (Harkis) which they had swore to protect...

[mightywindmill102]

They only accounted for 10% of the population. 90% did not want the frogs around, and they kicked you out. And all that 10% had the means to leave for France anyway, which they did after the war. Face it, the vast majority of the country did NOT want you there. That's why there was a war at all.

[MaxRWF]

The Christians and the jews had the right to remain in Algeria. The jews lived there since the 15th century and the Christians since many generations.

But the Algerian nationalists made an ethnic cleansing, probably inspired by the bastard policies which Britain applied throughout its history...

[mightywindmill102]

I love the qualifier there. "Probably inspired." As if those France was whiter than white and had never harmed an ethnic minority in it's enitre existence. Like hell France was interested in protecting minorities, it wanted to salvage at least something from it's embarrassing defeat from World War Two, some last vestige of it's former "glory." Instead all it found was disappointment and defeat at the hands of some untrained, ill equipped nationalists.

[MaxRWF]

We never were military defeated by the Algerian nationalist movement. But we couldn't endlessly kill more and more muslims, we're no genociders, we won't starved ethnic minorities to death (like Brits did in Ireland), we won't deport a whole population (like Brits did in Nova Scotia), we won't build concentration camps (like Brits did in Transvaal). Sorry we're not complete assholes like you.

[bantermelon]

@MaxRWF wait are you French? Thats fucking disgusting man. Im going to go be sick now urgggggggghhhhhhh disgusting snail eating freak. Go cry in a basket of croissants. Having said that if there is anything I can do to help you get over being French we can always talk.

[MaxRWF]

@bantermelon

Was it supposed to be funny ? Why do you hate French ? Envy ? Jealousy to not live in this great country ? Why are so ashamed of your country that you pretend to come from Singapore ?

[bantermelon]

@MaxRWF Go cry into your bowl of Frogs lol

[MaxRWF]

@bantermelon

Why are you so ashamed of your country, the United Kingdom, that you pretend to come frome Singapore ?

[knoccout31]

@MaxRWF The French surrendered in every war.

[MaxRWF]

@knoccout31

So why did we made Spain our colony under Napoleon I ?

[knoccout31]

@MaxRWF That wasn't a real war. I mean an actual big boy war.

[MaxRWF]

@knoccout31

What do you call a big war ?

France was at war with the entire european and conquered it from Lisboa to Moscow...

[majordbag2]

Can't we all just agree that regardless of which country you're from, be it the US, UK, France, Germany or whatever, that you're probably a douchebag so who gives a crap what happened 50 years ago?

[mightywindmill102]

Because to stifle debate (which is what you are suggesting) defeats the entire point of the internet? Disagree with my point of view, but do not disagree with my right to voice it.

[talktob3cks]

@parfitt21 Not every officer fought "honorably." Look at Banastre Tarleton.

[torture4all]

@parfitt21 You say so now, but nobody can tell for sure what has happend in a small villages!

[AGeekWithAShotgun]

@parfitt21

Oh I'm sure they did.

everyone breaks the rules of war once in a while.

you can't stereotype every single soldier as a "gentleman"

[EllyMcCormack]

@AGeekWithAShotgun Only officers were gentlemen. This was a time when if a noble man accidentally burped during dinner with friends, he'd later hang himself out of shame. Yes, literally commit suicide because he burped. And at the same time committing war crimes across the world and exploiting children for cheap labour - a hobby that to this day persists in many former British Colonies such as India and Nigeria.

[EllyMcCormack]

@parfitt21 Completely incorrect. We tortured the American Colonials, we used Hessian Infantry mercs to do a significant part of the butchering - they came in handy when we needed to crush the rebellion in Ireland shortly after. We set up Torture camps in Kenya & before we left we burnt all our files to cover up the holocaust we committed there. We viciously crushed democratic movements in India, Malaya, Pakistan. It was Prussia who outlawed torture, not the Britain Empire. Empires kill.

[parfitt21]

@parfitt21

dosnt cornwallis chide tavington multiple times for killing surrendering troops?

"the colonists are our bretheren, and when the revolution is over, we will reestablish commerce with them. surrendering troops will be given quarter, these brutal tactics must stop."

[VicenzoV]

@parfitt21 Also, Jack Dawson never screwed a lady named Rose DeWitt Bukater on the Titanic. 

[harleykman]

@parfitt21 The Americans claims the sae thing (obey the rules of war)

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Until they get caught pissing on corpses. Historians have dug and the British, just like every other army, did indeed do nasty things to their conquered soldiers and civilians. Remember: Ghandi didn't rebel just for fun, but because his people were being mistreated. Ditto here in the States

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[SayonaraNiriana]

Oh (T_T): I am sorry but the scene that I looked for was the continuation of this scene of torture with Tavington... It is longer normally, no? I am sorry if I was badly understood ^^.

In any case thank you for the other scenes: it is always a pleasure to see them again!

Could you put the scene of torture till the end please? Thank you very much, and so sorry to disturb you again and again...

[SayonaraNiriana]

Thank you very, very, very much to accept to put the whole scene (so "the heart of a villain") in youtube! (^_^)

(or if it is easier to you, to send it to me by e-mail?)

And, I'm so sorry to disturb you again... but, when do you think it will be possible to you to do this? Knowing this, I could get ready my mind to wait all the time it needs. Thank you very much again and in every cases, it is really kind to accept!! thanks! (^_-)°

(and sorry for my poor english [-_-]... )

[helgarhead]

i will try within 48 hours.

[SayonaraNiriana]

Hello!

Could you put the Jason Isaacs' scene in its entirety please? I look for it everywhere (and desperately) for months and months (in France we have not the version of the DVD which proposes these bonuses)...

I beg you (^_-) lol. That I can finally see this scene which seems to be brilliant!

Thank you very much beforehand!