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  • can anyone tell me?which opera is this from?will be greatly appreciated!

  • @NemTheMan no need answered my on question...DUH!

  • I never considered myself a profondo but a commenter says that I am based on the German Fach classification of Seriöser Bass. I used to sing Osmin, Sarastro, the Commendatore and Fafner. These are profondo roles in the German sense. I also sang some Monteverdi but alas not Seneca. Tadeo then is a profondo in that he sings serious low music. No mic, large hall, solo, real music. Tadeo is a profondo. Case closed.

  • @Agorante Very well said.

  • @BariTenoreDram Uno nome soltanto - Ramon Vinay.Questo Signore era tenore drammatico e aveva dal vivo una voce più bella e scura di Signor Tadeo.Anche Pavarotti cantava il repertorio del tenore drammatico purtroppo aveva una voce leggerina.Il pubblico chi ha sentito la voce di Pavarotti dal vivo sa molto bene di che cosa sto parlando.Il repertorio del Signor Tadeo era poco interessante per i cantanti che avevano le voci per il grande repertorio.Accanto à Gulio Neri questo Signore è baritono.

  • il re basso lo è del basso profondo! cerca su wikipedia e vedrai.

  • @Shinigami6761 caro/a,io vado à teatro dagli anni 50...

    Per me questa è la voce del basso baritono e ancora...

    Ah,anche Ruggero Raimondi cantava il repertorio del baritono 'verdiano' purtroppo dal vivo non aveva la voce... lo stesso Raimondi cantava il repertorio del basso con una vocetta poco adatta à questo repertorio.

    Ah,anche Ramey ha cantato tutto il repertorio del basso...dal vivo lo stesso Ramey aveva una voce più leggera di Vinay,Vichers,Nikolov,Giacomin­i,Cossuta(tenori)...

    No comment.

  • Шикарный голос, но это центральный басс, это не профундо.

    В низу он показывает только РЕ малой актавы, а это диапазон центрального баса.

  • @NokelainenAl

    Уважаемый, а что он здесь ДО или СИ вам должен показать?

  • @bodiloto voglio vederlo un baritono che ti fa la nota finale (un re) in questo modo....mi sa che ti sbagli..

  • @figarodongiovanni81 voce leggerina,timbro piccolo.

    Questa non e la voce del basso profondo.

    Vuoi un esempio?

    Ascolta la voce di Stoyan Popov chi era baritono 'verdiano'.

    E poi ascolta Ramon Vinay chi era tenore.

    Buon ascolto.

    E inutile di parlarti dei bassi russi e i bassi bulgari,spero che tu sai di che cosa parlo.

    Ciao.

  • @bodiloto Spero di conoscere i cantanti lirici visto che lo sono pure io, comunque ci sono diverse tipologie di basso profondo, un basso profondo russo del tipo ottavista non riesce nemmeno a fare Deh vieni alla finestra di Mozart perché é gia troppo alta, Tadeo é un basso profondo del tipo europeo Come Moll ecc. scendere sotto il do basso non serve per questa tipologia di cantanti, un baritono non riesce a fare il re basso in questo modo, posso assicurartelo.

  • @figarodongiovanni81 amico il fatto che sei cantante e magnifico! Ma se Tu il cantante non mi capisci (io sono pugile)questo vuol dire che siamo messi male...lascia la teoria à pace.30 Taddeo insieme = 1 Ghiaurov e ancora,dal vivo era così.Poi le teorie sono una bellissima cosa purtroppo la realtà e che Signor Taddeo ha una piccola voce.Amico parla mi dei grandi bassi russi(ho la sensazione che tu non hai sentito mai nella tua vita una vera voce del basso)non dei ottavisti...

    E tutto.

  • .....un baritono classico al massimo scende al fa ma a gia' fatica, dopo ci sono le eccezioni ma normalmente é cosi'. poi il colore il modo che formula le note ecc.

  • @figarodongiovanni81 Guelfi,Petroff,Popov etc. se la mia memoria e buona cantavano re naturale... questi Signori tutta la loro vita cantavano il repertorio 'verdiano','pucciniano' etc. come baritoni.

    Giusto amico mio e proprio il colore della voce di Signor Tadeo che è leggero.

    Il fatto che un cantante 'canta' un certo repertorio non vuol dire che ha LA VOCE per questo repertorio.

    Rispetto questo basso-baritono ma per me la sua voce e troppo chiara e leggera per questo repertorio.

    Ciao.

  • a basso profondo goes almost a sixth lower by using undertones...

  • is not a basso profondo, check vasiliev miller

  • @bodiloto Sono spesso daccordo con i suoi commenti...saluti

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  • what the heck is this , i never understood this opera shit .... it's nonsens for me really ....

  • @DeathNest94 Really, if you can't understand the particular language of the opera, then yes, of course it is nonsense. Do you really want to dismiss it all for lack of comprehension? No! You are better than that, I'm sure.

  • It's too bad that some people can't have a filter on what they are allowed to say or post (looking in the direction of mariuszny, if that is his real name).

  • That is one serious low D at the end; I really enjoyed seeing/hearing this. Thanks for posting it.

  • Tadeo is very good here and he sings the low D as written. Ghiaurov is better yet in the snippet I posted but he only sings an E Natural. Of course in the 17th century there was no concert pitch standard. That low D could have been an E or an F or even higher.

    When I saw Poppea the nominal tenor lead was sung by Alan Titus, a baritone. I have a recording of Orfeo with the tenor part sung by Gino Quilico, another baritone. All Monteverdi should probably be transposed up.

  • @Agorante

    Of course Nero was orginally a castrato not a tenor. The only modern castrato I know of was Michael Jackson who allegedly was fed hormones by his family to keep his voice childlike and effeminate. Jackson was certainly weird enough to play Nero.

  • @Agorante you should check out radu marian....he is an "endocrinological castrato"...his voice is different from any countertenors i know

  • Tim Storm it's very nice, but without a mic and audio amplifier...he's nothing.

    Tadeo, as any other operasinger, have natural amplification of the voice...

  • Are you sure? I'm a basso cantabile (a step above a basso profondo) and I can sing a really nice D2 as well. I don't doubt he's a bass (and a damn good one too), but that doesn't sound like a profondo role to me. And I've listened to opera arias since I was young.

  • That´s possible. Ezio Pinza was also basso cantate and he had nice low D (watch his performance of Osmin´s aria...). The timbre matters.

  • Wow. That low D is really impressive. It`s so loud and resonant and it sounds so clear. Of courese a real basso profondo. I bet he was able to sing a clear low C too.

  • Sure. He was reputedly able to do double low A...

  • " Go, ye all, prepare my bath For, if life runs its course, Like the flowing river, Into a tepid river I want this innocent blood to go  reddening my way through death" Impressive! Very touching, to say the least!

  • Seneca knowing that he shall die.:

    "Itene tutti, a prepararmi il bagno,

    Che se la vita corre

    Come il rivo fluente,

    In un tepido rivo

    Questo sangue innocente io vo' che vada

    A imporporarmi del morir la strada."

  • Italians do it better!

  • I can't believe this music was written in 1642. It sounds very romantic.

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  • In low greate octava profondo have specific velvet timbre (and we hear it in this record).

    In contra octave they have not loud,but rumbling sound with many obertones (up to 15)

    This rumbling sound is used in russian clerical chores instead of organ basses (ortonox chirch has onlu vocal music).

    But in opera contra octava is never used.

  • Tadeo had really basso profondo.

    Here he sings C2, but he does it masterfully, with comfort.

    I think he could hit at least A1 and may be ever lower.

    Profondo is a bass who has contra octave notes in his diapasone.

    The Guiness record is E1 flat.

    But these notes are not used in opera for several reasons, because usuallu profondo have not enough strond sound.

  • Emm... guinness record is B(-)2... two octaves below the lowest B on a piano (ONLY 8 Hz). (by Tim Storms... look for it on google/youtube)

  • Sorry, Tim Stormss voice has nothing to do with an opera bass voice. It is hardly heard.

  • You're right, he isn't an opera singer ;)

    But his low notes are... just amazing :D

    Please watch this video:

    (Tim Storms singing "That lonesome road" very low) near the end.

    He is like a 5000W sub woofer xD

    GoodBye n_n

  • Ive heard it. He has some deep notes, however we are talking here about bassi profondi and that is he certainly not. Giorgio Tadeo is a basso profondo. So are Maxim Mikhaylov, Vladimir Pasuikov, and Viktor Wichniakov, just to mention three names that cross my mind now. Listen to Do not reject me in old age with Viktor Wichniakov and you will see what I mean.

  • I know what you're referring to...that last note is a B0, which for those who may not know this, it is the last B on the low end of the piano. Great B0 by Tim there!

  • T obe a bass is more than having some deep rattles...

    For example Mr. Storm what would do with an orchestra at the back?

    The voice does not have just a quantity but also a quality too. Would you listen to Mr. Storm for 2-3 hours? I wouldn'.t Low but has no beauty.

    And after all: to be singer is not enough to have a voice you have to have a special aura too :)

  • Low bass is an element of Russian Orthodoxy Chirch tradition.

    They use no instruments in music - only singing.

    So, profondo basses are very precious. They sings as an accompaniment, instate of organ used with Catolics.

  • A loud projected E1? Who sang that note?

  • As I know, the russian singer Boris Miller takes it.

  • @DonSchanteloni

    exuse me, Vladimir Miller

  • wonderful voice - IIRC Eduard Wollitz had no trouble either with the low notes

  • do you have a recording of him singing Seneca's aria right before "non morir"?

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  • A lot of confusion here about the term Basso Profondo. Basically it just means serious as opposed to comic. Any bass that wants a career will need to be able to sing both serious and comic roles. Today some basses with good low notes, like Gregory Stapp, bill themselves as Basso Profondos.

    Greg will, I'm sure, be glad to sing a buffo part if the money's right.

  • Yes, there certainly is a lot of confusion about the term Basso Profundo, and I'm afraid, that you're also mistaken. Basso Profundo is not a synonym for "serious bass". It mean Low Bass (i.e. Profundo=profound=deep).

    Wikipedia confirms this:

    "English equivalent: lyric low bass

    Basso profondo, is the lowest bass voice type"

  • Words of course mean what we choose for them to mean. There is no exterior semantic authority. Early on the lowest male vocal classification was baritone. The bass voice was in the middle.

    Probably most people consider basso profondo to mean an extreme low bass. Yet Grove's uses Nazzareno De Angeles as their examplar. He sang a typical bass repertoire. They call Osmin a profondo role. They don't call Sarastro a profondo part.

    My point was "singing profondo" not "being a profondo".

  • You can notice the crowd is about to do a standing O when the clip ends.

  • WHAAAAAAAAAAAT? He is so good. Bright in the high notes and strong in the low notes. The end is sung just in one breath and ends on the low D with such confidence and roundness. Magnifico!

  • Is he a basso profondo? The quality of the voice isn't dark enough, although he certainly has the range.

  • The voice should NEVER sound dark in the high register. He is a basso profondo because he has the timbre and the voice quality to sing all these low notes, and the D.

  • The low D sounded rock solid to me; I didn't hear a strain at all.

  • And to all others - It's not just a matter of hitting the note; it is about hitting it comfortably and powerfully. For example: I'm sure many of you can hit lower notes in the early morning, but not later in the day.

    In this particular video, the bass hits the note very well - but if you listen closely you can hear a bit of a struggle. If he was asked to sing that note repeatedly for a long period of time, you would find that he would be constantly straining his voice and his throat.

  • that is the tecnic to hit the low d or c, you must use youre throat mixed with the chest for it to sound solid.

  • I just went on a tour with a student orchestra and chour and I met a lot of tenors who can hit te the lowest notes. the difference between a bass and a bariton is not the pitch, but the color of the note.

    and I olso met a real bass who coult reach 3 octaves. so he could sing high as well:P

  • Colour of the note (timbre) is indeed one of the distinctions between a tenor and a bass. But pitch is definitely another factor in this. Generally speaking, basses tend to have a comfortable lower register.

    There are many basses who can sing in upper registers as well as lower registers, however, it must be noted that to do this they sing Falsetto - a primary example of this is Ivan Rebroff.

  • maartjechiel is right-baritone can hit low D.I`m a baritone and I can go that low.Sometimes hitting down to B ,but C# is where I usually stop. Greetings! ;)

  • I must dissagree. most low baritons can reach for a low D. going for a C and lower more diffacult.

  • If you're a baritone and you can hit a low D, then chances are you aren't actually a baritone.

  • One thing is "hitting" a note, another is singing it. ALL well-trained baritones can "hit" a low D. My teacher is a baritone and I've heard him reaching the low G (the G below low C) a couple of times.

  • Exactly. I myself am a baritone and I can hit low C. Can I actually sing it, no. I can usually just sing to low E or F.

  • It's a low C (Do grave). Monteverdi wrote it in the score, but not many basses are able to do it....

  • yes it´s a D as written in the score. very powerful D here.

  • That's a D. I just checked it with my pitch pipe. Regardless, it's impressive to be heard in that setting with such a low note and no microphone right in his face. Very nice.

  • Are you sure it's a D? It sounds like a C to me...but I could be wrong...

  • What production of Poppea is this?

  • I just can't stop watching this over and over. And after having heard him, it will really take a long while before I will be satisfied with a Seneca of my own. :D

  • It seems this was recorded in concert Jul 1961with the marvellous Tadeo as Seneca & Teresa Berganza as Ottavia. How can anyone not pine for more of this rarely heard of Monteverdi opera, and esp this great basso.

  • He is amazing. Could you please post more of his performance of Seneca?

    Where did you get this material?

  • profondo? just basso. All basso soloists should sing low C.

  • not true... the basso solist should sing low e... and anyway he take a low d with such power

  • @BariTenoreDram-

    Yes, it's true a bass soloist needs to be able to sing at least an E2, but to be able to sing just about every bass role in opera, they should be able to sing down to a C2. Hell, I'm a basso CANTANTE and I have a better low C than some pople who call themselves "profundos".

  • @BariTenoreDram I was also given to understand that Basso low note was low E; though some arias require Ds or even improvised Cs. Profundo would probably be down to an A, or even F (!) but hitting THOSE with an orchestra behind you is nigh on impossible! (seems to be the preserve of 6ft 10 inch Russians with cavernous chest resonances.

    Personally, I can get an A (and I'm English and 5ft10!), but would doubtless be drowned by an orchestra below about C.

  • Mariuszny, refrain from commenting on things about which you obviously know nothing. You are just showing your ignorance.

  • i have another video of him in seneca check on my videos :D

  • @mariuszny simply basso profondo is the lowest of male voices.

  • @mariuszny it's not only the extension that matters, but also the color of the voice.

  • @mariuszny I used to sing 6 years in Prague's opera and now sing in the men choir Bolschoi Don Kosaken as a low bass. Properly speaking for opera singing it's enough to have a good stable F, but for singing orthodox music the C is a common for bass... As far as maestro Giorgio Tadeo he has a very nice colorful voice and who tells here he is not a bass - is real amateur in vocal music.

  • @FishingInPrague People still bashes me, so maybe I say something again. It's not about maestro Tadeo, but about adding "profondo" after "basso" in the name of this video. If you would post maestro Tadeo singing low C (or lower) then call that video basso profondo. If not, then rename this video to "Basso (Probably Profondo, but Spend Most of His Life Singing Opera) Georgio Tadeo low D ". Low D is in my range, but not low C (I can hit but it's very weak).

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