I have flown about 15 times, not too often but enough.
But I always find it disconcerting looking at those wings flapping about all over the place. It only takes a few fine fractures to rip it off (actually what I said there was wrong) but thats what it feels like
@1stDanShotokan no they arent do you realise that being a pilot isnt an easy job its one of the best jobs you can get and alot of respect to them when they land because it takeos alot of guts and alot of time to learn to land a boeing 737
@1stDanShotokan When a hot naked flight attendant makes an announcement while playing with her nipples using her wet fingers there is nothing retarded about clapping...you should fly Air Berlin one time dude!
WTF.. clapping? pilots r just doing their job... for instance, if i work at a supermarket and u came into my checkout would everyone in the checkout clap for me cos i "SUCCESSFULLY" scanned the bar code of a doughnut? fucken idiots
mr yepp87, flying an airplane and being an idiot like you, are two different things. People clap because they are happy of being on their destination safe and unharmed.
WTF, whining because scanning a donut is safer than landing a plane and thus deserves less applause? Go supersize my fries, bitch, and leave the activities requiring skill and intelligence to us. You're obviously not up to the challenge.
@yepp87 yes but when they clap its a sign of appreciation because the pilot has a choice really hes in command of their lives at that time and all he has to do is push down and crash and theyre all dead but in your asupermarket your hardly going to throw as tin of beans at someone are you if you know what i mean
pilots get alot of respect because of the hard training they go through
@yepp87 atleast they have the decency to appreiciate what a nice flight it was in bad weather and your comparison with landing a plane in bad weather is very far apart , why dont you go and land a 737-800 in bad weather then
the clapping is common in a lot of countries, a sign of gratefulness for the flight. There is nothing DUMB about that nor the europeans (and i'm not even one)
Last month I was landing in Dortmund in totaly clouded sky, WizzAir Airbus A320. I couldn't see ground until almost above the airport, it was very special experience. Clouds of different type were present also at very high altitude during flight and it was icy. Plane was de-iced before taking off.
in belfast we got ryanairs b738 and bmis a320operating on a 1890m runway. its really short for them, and the landing always hard and bumpy to avoid overshoot the runway. but i still cant understand how b737 can operate on 1323m runway (see santos dumont airport in rio de janeiro)
under your described conditions that was what i meant, but if the runway is also wet you will need to add a safety distance (because of the longer break distance at RTO). And then you would need a 2400 or longer RWY, even though you certainly wouldnt use that whole distance, of course. And thats why they want to make the RWY longer in the next years.
Hunold (CEO) wrote an article in in-flight magazine bashing Catalan in every possible way. Later Middelmann (representative for Spain and Portugal) threatened to sue anyone who complained.
To sum, I respesct employees but AB directives are assholes.
There must be another some kind of regulations here than in Germany.
Yes in colder temperatures the ''power'' will increase.
Im thinking of hot temperatures too like 30 degress celcius.
The B737-800 flies from runways like 2000 m here to a destination 6 h away! And thats a lot!
It's not always so that planes in the winters rotates earlier. If there is a contaminated runway the winter will kick the summers ass totally...They are always thinking of the worst condition that can happen...
JAR are regulations for 99% of european countries. But I think that we basically mean the same thing. I just wanted to point out the fact that 2000m is a short runway compared to most other airports in Germany. Even in Alaska, where I spend a year,a lot of runways are longer. And those JAR's underline that fact...
But the Boeing site displays the JAR's. So those runway lengths should be mandatory. Maybe there are some special regulations, so you can use shorter runways. Plus, on cold winter days the takeoff performance should be better than on hot ones. When we took off at Dortmund (even with brakes set while powering up to takeoff power) we used a lot more than 3/4 of the runway. And that was a really short flight with only few fuel on board.
2600m is absolutely enough for an B738 with winglets or not. As i said from the beginnig 2000 m is short i can agree with that but is totally enough for it even at contaminated runways.
i talked to a pilot that works on Ryanair B737-800 and he flies with MTOM from a 2000 m short runway up to 30 degress. yes there is a little problem,the runway is short for that operation yes. But not impossible.
I really trust his FCOM.
I t always says on the Boings site that every plane needs so mcuh runway but thats wrong. You can takeoff from mcuh shorter fields.
I know you are right, but what i meant was MTOW. At worst conditions the 737-800 needs a 2.6km runway. I realise that the actually used runway is shorter. But you can still consider 2000m a short runway for the 737, because you have strict regulations for takeoff weight, temperature and so on.
I don't think you are right: the 737-800 has a 2400m takeoff run at MTOW (Maximum takeoff weight). So Dortmund with 2000m can be considered a short runway for this type of aircraft.
well, at mtow the 737-800 needs 2400m of runway. Got the value from the manual. You can also check it at wikipedia. Thats also why there are plans increase the runway length to 2800 meters so the 737 (the biggest operated aircraft at dortmund) can takeoff with no limitations. Thats the ONLY reason...Maybe i also know what i am talking about ;-)
What manual, and also wikipedia is not a reliable source,it full of idiots that dont know anything. And go on the boeing website and have a look for yourself, i live at gold coast were the runway has been extened to 2500m and now fully loaded A330s fly here and they use about 2000-2100m, even is jack all wind. 737-800s dont need 2.4km to takeoff at max.
again, i went on the boeing website (they probabably have the right values) and found the J.A.R. runway requirements. B738, with winglets, wet runway, 15°C, sea level height, MTOW, Flaps 25 : runway requirement: about 2.6km. I know that there is a safety factor in it, but you might notice, that a 2000m runway in Dortmund is short, because you can't operate a 737 under all conditions. Even on the dry runway, at MTOW it may need more than 2km.
Interestingly enough. Chicago Midway airport has only 6500 ft runways. I have flown into that airport but i don't remember it being particularly dramatic.
You must experience Congonhas in brazil with 1840m distance and Santos Dumont in Rio de Janiero with 1310m. which 737-800SFP land and take-off from there!
on short runways ur not supposed to float it forever and try for a greaser cuz ull just run off the end so ur sopposed to get it down early and hard. nice video by the way
snow landing from there are creep!! i can tell you.
mikegeelen 4 months ago in playlist Landing
Also so schlimm war die Landung ja nun wirklich nicht. Da habe ich in DTM aber schon weit aus schlimmere Landungen miterlebt.
MSSimulatorFreak 4 months ago
not the hardest landing with airberlin
mikegeelen 5 months ago
LOL!!!
dingdongditch1000 1 year ago
the best video ive ever seen.....by far
stormbouy 1 year ago
it is not short
fgiorgio 1 year ago
@fgiorgio rather short than long
Flowis311 1 year ago
@fgiorgio Oh hunny yes it is
wizzair1313 1 year ago
@wizzair1313 short is for example santos dumont, rio:) check it out:)
fgiorgio 1 year ago
I have flown about 15 times, not too often but enough.
But I always find it disconcerting looking at those wings flapping about all over the place. It only takes a few fine fractures to rip it off (actually what I said there was wrong) but thats what it feels like
Doomsday2060 2 years ago
Der Flughafen ist voll klein die Landebahn sowieso mit 2000m da können auch keine großen Maschienn landen!
mercano1997 2 years ago
2000m Landebahn ist genug fur 737. Mein Deutsch ist leider scheusslich.
SenorSpode 2 years ago
komisch das die deutschen immer so behindert klatschen müss....
kayroellig 2 years ago 3
clappers are retarded
1stDanShotokan 2 years ago 7
@1stDanShotokan no they arent do you realise that being a pilot isnt an easy job its one of the best jobs you can get and alot of respect to them when they land because it takeos alot of guts and alot of time to learn to land a boeing 737
joshuan542 1 year ago
@1stDanShotokan When a hot naked flight attendant makes an announcement while playing with her nipples using her wet fingers there is nothing retarded about clapping...you should fly Air Berlin one time dude!
northernstudio 1 year ago
WTF.. clapping? pilots r just doing their job... for instance, if i work at a supermarket and u came into my checkout would everyone in the checkout clap for me cos i "SUCCESSFULLY" scanned the bar code of a doughnut? fucken idiots
yepp87 2 years ago 4
mr yepp87, flying an airplane and being an idiot like you, are two different things. People clap because they are happy of being on their destination safe and unharmed.
petrocheli 2 years ago 2
WTF, whining because scanning a donut is safer than landing a plane and thus deserves less applause? Go supersize my fries, bitch, and leave the activities requiring skill and intelligence to us. You're obviously not up to the challenge.
SenorSpode 2 years ago
@yepp87 yes but when they clap its a sign of appreciation because the pilot has a choice really hes in command of their lives at that time and all he has to do is push down and crash and theyre all dead but in your asupermarket your hardly going to throw as tin of beans at someone are you if you know what i mean
pilots get alot of respect because of the hard training they go through
joshuan542 1 year ago
@yepp87 atleast they have the decency to appreiciate what a nice flight it was in bad weather and your comparison with landing a plane in bad weather is very far apart , why dont you go and land a 737-800 in bad weather then
bo31n9 1 year ago
the clapping is common in a lot of countries, a sign of gratefulness for the flight. There is nothing DUMB about that nor the europeans (and i'm not even one)
defaultytuser 2 years ago 12
So...
i come from germany and i never clap after a landing.
I dont know why pther people do it.
The Pilots do their Job and that was it.
TuiLine 2 years ago
How very George W. Bush of you, you elitist dumbass. Shall we peel you a fucking grape?
SenorSpode 2 years ago
@defaultytuser They're grateful to still be alive.
MrDanieldb 1 year ago
@MrDanieldb then their retards if they think their going to die on an airliner
pikapoketpu 1 year ago
fags were clapping, wtf
stashdash 2 years ago 2
its a german habit and i hate it. they clap after every landing... like "THANK GOD, WE'RE ALIVE!".. the pilots do nothing but their jobs..
MicroFK 2 years ago 2
Until you can land an aircraft yourself, don't underestimate the skill it takes, ESPECIALLY in turbulent weather.
jayjuice00 2 years ago
Wow! it really does look stormy indeed!
GreekDestination 3 years ago
Last month I was landing in Dortmund in totaly clouded sky, WizzAir Airbus A320. I couldn't see ground until almost above the airport, it was very special experience. Clouds of different type were present also at very high altitude during flight and it was icy. Plane was de-iced before taking off.
rangelso 3 years ago
in belfast we got ryanairs b738 and bmis a320operating on a 1890m runway. its really short for them, and the landing always hard and bumpy to avoid overshoot the runway. but i still cant understand how b737 can operate on 1323m runway (see santos dumont airport in rio de janeiro)
jimmarvel 3 years ago
That's a pretty hard landing indeed.XD
I had a bumpy landing too when we arrived on Samos, check my vid.
Marrie23 3 years ago
i hate the applause after landings-.-
MicroFK 3 years ago 4
@MicroFK I think only charter flight passengers clap. I just returned from Alicante on a scheduled flight and there was no clapping, thank god!
filthybaggage 8 months ago
2000 m is short for an B738 but it dtill works to takeoff from thereP:
BTW nice vid! ;)
320321330 3 years ago
thank you, unfortunately the touchdown doesnt seem as hard as is really was, and the guy behind me talks crap all the time ;-)
Flowis311 3 years ago
no you didn't ;)
You said many times that i need moore than 2400 m...Anyway i just gave you the answer. :P
320321330 3 years ago
under your described conditions that was what i meant, but if the runway is also wet you will need to add a safety distance (because of the longer break distance at RTO). And then you would need a 2400 or longer RWY, even though you certainly wouldnt use that whole distance, of course. And thats why they want to make the RWY longer in the next years.
Flowis311 3 years ago
For fun i checked FCOM...
You can takeoff with MTOM from a 2000 m runway if the temp is under 13 degress celcius...
Say 2100-2200 m with 30 degress celcius and MTOM...
As you know
320321330 3 years ago
thats what i meant :-)
Flowis311 3 years ago
Boycott Air Berlin! Air Berlin does not respect Catalan language and culture!
bcngro 3 years ago
can you explain that?!
Flowis311 3 years ago
Hunold (CEO) wrote an article in in-flight magazine bashing Catalan in every possible way. Later Middelmann (representative for Spain and Portugal) threatened to sue anyone who complained.
To sum, I respesct employees but AB directives are assholes.
bcngro 3 years ago
There must be another some kind of regulations here than in Germany.
Yes in colder temperatures the ''power'' will increase.
Im thinking of hot temperatures too like 30 degress celcius.
The B737-800 flies from runways like 2000 m here to a destination 6 h away! And thats a lot!
It's not always so that planes in the winters rotates earlier. If there is a contaminated runway the winter will kick the summers ass totally...They are always thinking of the worst condition that can happen...
320321330 3 years ago
JAR are regulations for 99% of european countries. But I think that we basically mean the same thing. I just wanted to point out the fact that 2000m is a short runway compared to most other airports in Germany. Even in Alaska, where I spend a year,a lot of runways are longer. And those JAR's underline that fact...
Flowis311 3 years ago
I Know a B737-800 that flies from a 1600 m runway ALMOST at MTOM in the winters.
What i wanted to say with this is that 2600 m is very much runway to play with ;)
320321330 3 years ago
But the Boeing site displays the JAR's. So those runway lengths should be mandatory. Maybe there are some special regulations, so you can use shorter runways. Plus, on cold winter days the takeoff performance should be better than on hot ones. When we took off at Dortmund (even with brakes set while powering up to takeoff power) we used a lot more than 3/4 of the runway. And that was a really short flight with only few fuel on board.
Flowis311 3 years ago
2600m is absolutely enough for an B738 with winglets or not. As i said from the beginnig 2000 m is short i can agree with that but is totally enough for it even at contaminated runways.
320321330 3 years ago
yes i meant MTOM too.
i talked to a pilot that works on Ryanair B737-800 and he flies with MTOM from a 2000 m short runway up to 30 degress. yes there is a little problem,the runway is short for that operation yes. But not impossible.
I really trust his FCOM.
I t always says on the Boings site that every plane needs so mcuh runway but thats wrong. You can takeoff from mcuh shorter fields.
320321330 3 years ago
The A330 needs 2500m for normal operations...As airasiax said the A330 normal use 2000-2100 m...
Normal runway requirements at MTOM:
B737-800: 2000 m
A320: 1800 m
A330-300: 2500 m
A332 almost the same but a ittle bit shorter maybe 2470 m...Due to higher nose level during takeoff.
Hope this helps!
320321330 3 years ago
I know you are right, but what i meant was MTOW. At worst conditions the 737-800 needs a 2.6km runway. I realise that the actually used runway is shorter. But you can still consider 2000m a short runway for the 737, because you have strict regulations for takeoff weight, temperature and so on.
Flowis311 3 years ago
you see, look at alll the other comments.
airasiax 3 years ago
yes. so it is a short runway
Flowis311 3 years ago
you just dont understand do you? a 767 can takeoff in less then 2km
airasiax 3 years ago
today an airbus 321 overshot the runway after landing. it was clear visibility and no wind
Flowis311 3 years ago
why did you reply to me? (airasiax) weird.......
letsgoshooting 3 years ago 2
thats not a short runway 2000m? 737s only need 1400m to takeoff. 2000m is a greta lengh for an airport with only 737s and A320s and smaller aircraft
airasiax 3 years ago
I don't think you are right: the 737-800 has a 2400m takeoff run at MTOW (Maximum takeoff weight). So Dortmund with 2000m can be considered a short runway for this type of aircraft.
Flowis311 3 years ago
sorry, i am, they dont need 2400m, an A330 can take off in less then just, i know what im talking about.
airasiax 3 years ago
well, at mtow the 737-800 needs 2400m of runway. Got the value from the manual. You can also check it at wikipedia. Thats also why there are plans increase the runway length to 2800 meters so the 737 (the biggest operated aircraft at dortmund) can takeoff with no limitations. Thats the ONLY reason...Maybe i also know what i am talking about ;-)
Flowis311 3 years ago
What manual, and also wikipedia is not a reliable source,it full of idiots that dont know anything. And go on the boeing website and have a look for yourself, i live at gold coast were the runway has been extened to 2500m and now fully loaded A330s fly here and they use about 2000-2100m, even is jack all wind. 737-800s dont need 2.4km to takeoff at max.
airasiax 3 years ago
again, i went on the boeing website (they probabably have the right values) and found the J.A.R. runway requirements. B738, with winglets, wet runway, 15°C, sea level height, MTOW, Flaps 25 : runway requirement: about 2.6km. I know that there is a safety factor in it, but you might notice, that a 2000m runway in Dortmund is short, because you can't operate a 737 under all conditions. Even on the dry runway, at MTOW it may need more than 2km.
Flowis311 3 years ago
Wow that was fast, i just saw roads and house shoot past, i wud of shat myself
naaahmate 3 years ago
Air Berlin ist die zweitgrößte Airline Deutschlands,ich bin zwar noch nie mit AB geflogen, hab aber bisher nur Gutes gehört...
Tinka273 3 years ago
besides...this airport has 6500ft as well ;-)
Flowis311 3 years ago
Interestingly enough. Chicago Midway airport has only 6500 ft runways. I have flown into that airport but i don't remember it being particularly dramatic.
jkeelsnc 3 years ago
it usually shpuldn't be dramatic, but we were coming in sort of too high or too fast, so the touchdown was harder than usually...
Flowis311 3 years ago
Air berlin is cool
qayxsw34 3 years ago
They MUST to brake hard... or would you like to overshoot the runway?
AB pilots aren't bad. They are like them of LH, UA, JAL, etc, etc, etc.
falkowiegandt 3 years ago
OMG viel zu schnell, und zu spät aufgesetzt!!!
BlueWingsJet 3 years ago
Everyone's an armchair pilot.
LoveKandR 4 years ago
he was really fast...however, i love dortmund:D
lukasp123 4 years ago
wer mit air berlin fliegt ist auch selbst schuld ... lol
Webbster20071 4 years ago
crap landing... done by an air berlin pilot, and this will be the airline i'm flying for in a few years if i'm lucky oO
c0rt3z 4 years ago
good luck :)
Antilopax 4 years ago
You must experience Congonhas in brazil with 1840m distance and Santos Dumont in Rio de Janiero with 1310m. which 737-800SFP land and take-off from there!
steliosoctavios 4 years ago 2
too fast.
gezelle007 4 years ago
Wow... my German friends were right: Germans don't clap upon landing, unless it's a charter/low-fare flight from Majorca LOL
airodyssey 4 years ago
My God! Was this guy comming too fast and too high or what?! Any runway would be too short, for this one! LOL :D
YaHWeH73 4 years ago
and he really hit the brakes hard after touching down
Flowis311 4 years ago
on short runways ur not supposed to float it forever and try for a greaser cuz ull just run off the end so ur sopposed to get it down early and hard. nice video by the way
allflight57 4 years ago
Came in a little bit too fast it seems to me..
hffin 4 years ago
Take a look at my channel to see some more plane videos...
Flowis311 4 years ago
Never seen the wingview of a 737 w/ winglets before.
The applause was for not touching down even harder :-p
krymnon 4 years ago