Natural Family Planning Couple Sharing

[bilsemon]

Ridiculous. Listening to a man who will never marry, never have children, and never worry about where his income is coming from and whether it will meet his needs LECTURE people about marriage, whether to have children, how many to have, and whether they will be able to provide for them. We live in the present. Not in the 1500s or even the 1950s.

[danoramatoo]

@bilsemon One does not have to experience some difficulty to see the remedy. Often someone outside can see it better. A doctor does not have to experience a heart attack to see that I am about to have one. A mechanic does not have to seize up his own engine to give wise advice to change my oil. The most amazing discussion of marital sexuality was by Pope John Paul II's "Theology of the Body". Self giving LOVE is the path to happiness! That is Fr. Day's message.

[jacrn323]

@bilsemon He IS married (to Jesus and the Church), he DOES have children (hundreds -- a priest is a father, responsible for souls of/ to all parishoners in the diocese. He as the same need to practice the virtues and the roles of leader, protector and provider as a husband and father of the home do. So sorry you are so angry; this comes from a place of pride and perhaps hurt. I hope that your caner of ignorance is healed soon because you'll be much happier, more at peace and with joy!

[dragonpat666]

thanks for this video but this form of birthcontrol cannot work for everyone. my cycle is very irregular and always have been. i have tried to keep up with my cycles to find my fertile times of the month and it always vary and sometimes i can't even figure it out! this is not for most couples.

[GracegoesfortheHeart]

@dragonpat666 You are right it is not for everyone. It worked for me and my cycles varied from 28-33 days. I was surprised to find that I could ovulate a couple of days after my period ended to almost 2 weeks afterwards. I checked my self constantly and now understand my body. Hope you find what works for you.

[dragonpat666]

@GracegoesfortheHeart yea, my cycles are crazy too. the fact that you could ovulate 2 days after your period or two weeks says that this is just not a realiable form of birth control.

[jimvandamme]

@dragonpat666 No, you don't ovulate 2 days after your period. You need to learn this! BTW it's 99% effective.

[jimvandamme]

@dragonpat666 .....AND you should read "Fertility cycles and Nutrition" (CCL) to see if you can help your irregularity.

[jacrn323]

@dragonpat666 Actually, the Creighton Model FertilityCare System is a PERFECT system for you then:) It's natural, and it's 99.5% with even irregular cycles:) Check it out! It's TOTALLY healthy and even more successful than the pill, and you aren't aborting your children through the chemically contraceptive methods. :)

[dragonpat666]

@jacrn323 thanks for the info but i can used the many forms of birthcontrol available to me. its pathological to worry about ovums.

[jacrn323]

@dragonpat666 So sorry you view concern for your body and the human lives that result in death from your neglect of caring about them from the birth control you use ...as pathological. I will; pray for the cancer of indifference to be healed, and the apathy lifted from your heart's eyes. Also, don't forget that you started out as a fertilized ovum. Let's not be selfish to think that WE deserve to be born, but others don't.

[dragonpat666]

@jacrn323 your pathological concern for fertilized ovum is truly.......PATHOLOGICAL!!! im here..... i made it too this plane and that is all that counts. most all ovums naturally never make contact to the womans uterus in order to grow and evolve into a human. whose fault is that? sick indeed. someone else being so involved in my bodily processes and my personal procreative choices.

[realistichope]

I have one name for those who use natural family planning: parents.

[danoramatoo]

@realistichope I have one name for those who talk about things they do not understand (and refuse to try to understand) .....ignorant.

[realistichope]

@realistichope You call me ignorant - I have known co-workers, doctors, and nurses who tried natural family planing: 100% PARENTS

[angelakh]

@realistichope Nothing insulting there. NFP is specifically about responsible parenthood. It is not about rejecting parenthood, children or any aspects of the marital vocation and the gifts and responsibilities God gave us.

[angelakh]

@realistichope Hurray for that. NFP is definitely not for unmarried couples or teens. Its for married couples who are looking to space and limit the size of their family in order to be responsible parents.

[jacrn323]

@angelakh There is a form of natural family planning however that IS good for unmarried women, called Creighton Model Fertility Care System which teaches appreciation and therefore affirms/supports chastity. And when young girls learn to chart their cycles, they not only have an appreciation for it, but they have medical knowledge of things that can indicate other problems which can be treated by Creighton doctors who also respect the dignity of women and marriage.

[LiturgicalChants]

Why do you sow where the field is eager to destroy the fruit? Where are the medicines of sterility? Where is there murder before birth? You do not even let a harlot remain only a harlot, but you make her a murderess as well. Do you see that from drunkenness comes fornication, from fornication adultery, from adultery murder? Indeed, it is something worse than murder and I do not know what to call it; for she does not kill what is formed but prevents its formation. - St John Chrysostom, 4th c.

[LiturgicalChants]

Why do you sow where the field is eager to destroy the fruit? Where are the medicines of sterility? Where is there murder

before birth? You do not even let a harlot remain only a harlot, but you make her a murderess as well. Do you see that from drunkenness comes

fornication, from fornication adultery, from adultery murder? Indeed, it is something worse than murder and I do not know what to call it; for she

does not kill what is formed but prevents its formation. - St John Chrysostom

[danoramatoo]

Paul VI went on to specifically permit "recourse to the infertile periods" (HVpp16) and in HV pp 24 he specifically calls upon scientists to study the natural cycle "to elucidate more thoroughly the conditions favorable to a proper regulation of births." In addition to Humanae Vitae, see John Paul IIs encyclicals Familiaris Concortio, 1981 and Evangelium Vitae, 1995 and Benedict XVIs encyclical Deus Caritas Est. The teaching of the Church on NFP when used correctly is very clear.

[danoramatoo]

I agree wholeheartedly with Pope Pius. But dont ignore the paragraph before this one (#53) where he writes: through virtuous continence (which Christian law permits in matrimony when both parties consent). This is Natural Family Planning defined.

Couples using NFP do not frustrate its natural powers but rather respect them and prayerfully choose whether or not to engage in the marital act at a given time based on the Catholic principle of responsible parenthood. (Humanae Vitae pp10.)

[mom2threebabes]

NFP used to avoid a child=contraception. Read Pope Pius XI, Pope Pius XI, Casti Connubii.

The primary end of marriage is the procreation and the education of children.

Since, therefore, the conjugal act is destined primarily by nature for the begetting of children, those who in exercising it deliberately frustrate its natural powers and purpose sin against nature and commit a deed which is shameful and intrinsically vicious.

[mom2threebabes]

By purposefully avoiding sex on certain days, couples are frustrating the primary purpose of marraige in order to satisfy the secondary purposes of marraige. NFP or Rythm method is a product of VII and of the 1960s sexual liberation movement.

Imagine if people used NFP during their entire child bearing years. The human species would slowly die out.

NFP also violates the natural law. NO other species purposefully avoids sex during the fertile periods.

[mom2threebabes]

This simple example shows that NFP is a violation of the natural law and therefore is a violation of the nature written into the hearts of all men.

NFP subordinates the primary end of marriage to other things by deliberately attempting to avoid children (i.e., to avoid the primary end) while having marital relations.

[mom2threebabes]

So why would a woman who desires to fulfill the will of God make a systematic effort to avoid God sending her a new life? What excuse could such a person possibly make for going out of her way to calculate how to have marital relations without getting pregnant with the child God was going to send? Why would a woman (or a man) who believes that God opens the womb try to avoid His opening of the womb by a meticulous and organized effort, involving charts, cycles and thermometers?

[alfredmigable]

Beautiful Open to the life. Great video

[metanoia29]

I'd have to say this video is pretty ballin'.