Hovindism #3 Conservation of angular momentum (part 1/2)

[gspaulsson]

He understands science about as well as you could expect from someone who spent 5 years of his life in the fourth grade. He is currently struggling to make it though the fifth grade.

[TheCoop30301]

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.

2 peter thanks for the part of saying my LORD JESUS is delaying his coming thats exactly what the bible said what would happen when his return was close better get ready.......

[TheCoop30301]

? in your video you said Evolution theory is the fundational principle of modern biology ? , what does chaging from ape to man have to do with drug trials ? , Also if we want to go that far where is the proof , that animals can change into different kinds of animals ? , my dog had pupies a few times they always came out as dogs , I will let you know if it ever has a cat , by the way I am trying to breed the cat to the dog , just to keep an open mind to the claims so far I have been unable.

[WolYou]

Is the scientist to blame when the majority of the people are too stupid to understand physics and therefore resort to mental maniacs like hovind? I do not think so. In my opinion we are wasting too much time on our state of slavery.

[yourboycal]

"Do you have some objective test for the existence of GOD?"

Yes , its all in the process , see i'd like to verify my self first before preaching it to others, i'll be coming out with an upcoming documentary on the testing of the existence of god . Please subscribe and stay tuned , i'll be coming out with a book and documentary :p Oh and thanks so much for helping me out with that not being able to post thing . It was getting soo annoying ty ty ty ty ty :D

[WolYou]

yourbycal: There is no god. And you can't provide any evidence for god(s). If there would be an evidence, it would have been found a very long time ago.

[yourboycal]

@Wo!You

On a scientific level , your right the evidence is not there , but im going to be setting up some experiments to get some results when it comes to evidence with god , if it fails or suceeds i'll post the results either way =p it'll be in an upcoming documentary , you see before i can go preaching god i need to verify it for my self at the very bare minimum

[yourboycal]

Hey can someone help me out with youtube comments, when i press post comment sometimes it doesnt post it just says post comment and wont let me copy and paste to repost =*( it gets frustrating after a while :*(

@zippy

"just being a lame ass troll"

this was just mean good sir =*(

[zippydebrain]

Yes,

When you are quoting sometimes there is an illegal character in there and it won't post and doesn't say anything. If you copy and paste the comment into notepad you will see the character as a square. Delete the square and cut and paste it back in.

As for the troll comment, if you are legitimately making an argument then I am sorry but your arguments are narrow and not going after my main points just fragments. Its not going anywhere.

[jimthebaptist67]

FAIL!! You did not prove Hovind wrong. You only blew smoke, played with words and ran in circles.

[Nuker1337]

No, you apologetic.

[ThePhilosorpheus]

good video, should be seen by more people

[ThePhilosorpheus]

no magic needed indeed, but the question is now: since everything occurred according to natural processes, what determines the natural processes themselves?

[legacyhp]

Evolution will kill millions souls that belives theres only one life, well the truth will come to death of all. thank God Christinas know where they are going in resume it those not matter from where we come from but where we are going to be

[yourboycal]

lol darwinism is the biggest belief...what you mean theres no belief in science? what you think darwinism is ? oh a fairy tale =) video fails.. good luck next time

[Yujifanik]

I believe in God.

But if I'd never read the Bible I'd still believe in God. If I didn't have a Bible at all!

I'd still believe in God.

Theres no such thing as 'darwinsim' as evolution no longer relies entirely on darwin. Creationism on the other hand relies entirely on ignorance & the unwillingness to learn how something works because "its too much work"

[yourboycal]

your making science a position now .. by saying learning how something works... scientists dont even know how it works yet .. there just theories ... sorry if i dotn get suckered in without enough evidence for me to say yes evolution was right .. lets all march forward .. i need alot more then the scrapes they have now.. for you sure its enough but sorry i've been fooled before :p

[Yujifanik]

Do you even know what Theory even means in science?

A scientific Theory is not 'a guess' or conjecture, its a framework based on the observed facts & the laws of nature which apply to those facts.

Try looking at the myriad of fossils & peer-reviewed papers on the subject or better yet try going to a biology class & learning how they test these things for accuracy rather than just 'making a guess'.

[urasj]

How can it be a fairytale if there is such huge amount of evidence for it ?

You fail.

[yourboycal]

listien pal if there was that much evidence it would be self evident that speciation occured ... if it was that self evident we would have laws of evolution .. which can be demonstratable and observable ... you think we can figure out how we got here yet not be able to beat any sickness ? the point is we havnt reversed engineered that far to be able to fix it =p its just a theory because it makes life with no god so much more easier

[urasj]

obviously you have no understanding of what a scientific theory is. Also, there are astounding amounts of evidence to support evolution. You just dont care looking for them.

Also, I find it funny that you refute evolution on the "Lack of evidence" while you accept the existence of God as true even with no evidence at all. Ontop of that, not just any God, but a God of a certain religion. Whynot anyother God..?

Uneducated fool. Read about the scientific method and evolution plz.

[yourboycal]

im on talk origins looking at the evidence its a evolutionary website =) just because its enough evidence to convince your simple mind .. does not mean it is enough evidence for me to turn my back on god =) im sure it doesnt take much to convince you but im a pretty hard skeptic i look at all sides and dont make up my mind that easily .. sorry to burst your bubble cupcake =)

[urasj]

"how we got here yet not be able to beat any sickness "

Are you retarded..?

[yourboycal]

sorry i dont know how to answer silly questions like "are you retarded" please grow up and talk to people with some manners =)

[Isanion]

"if it was that self evident we would have laws of evolution"

are you saying that you will not believe in evolution until a mathematical equation has been derived such that we can take any organism in its current state and predict exactly what it will evolve into in a given time frame?

[Isanion]

i'm also going to draw attention back to urasj's questioning of the comment:

"how we got here yet not be able to beat any sickness "

Can you elaborate how understanding a process should be dependent on our ability to manipulate it?

i.e Why knowing how a virus formed should mean we can automatically un-make it, or counter it.

[yourboycal]

Hovinds awsome =) i can see why scientists had to shut up him and through him in jail with bs tax charges....i would too if i was a scientists who saw a creationist destroying every debate .. Yaay for hovind! We need more guys like hovind and Ben Stein to expose fraudulant scientists ...

[Nuker1337]

Look up "expelled exposed". Hovind and other creationists have been refuted countless times, and no literate person could ever believe his tendentious screeds.

[yourboycal]

"Look up "expelled exposed"."

Actually i have , aslong with expelled debuked , expelled lies , expelled expelled , and a few others , yet still , the movie expelled i agree with is perfect presentation of the scienism going on today =)

evolution is nothing more then a silly misunderstanding of adaptation , but some scientists will look pretty dumb when evolution fails the test of time , so they have no choice but to ride it out , once it falls , blame darwin :p

[zippydebrain]

=evolution is nothing more then a silly misunderstanding of adaptatio=

But what constrains it? Does GOD climb into every womans uterus and verify the DNA himself or did he put some natural process in place, a natural process that appears to be self perpetuating and unconstrained by what ancient religious texts try to impose on it...

You forget (or never knew) that it is not just species evolving it is the entire ecosystem.

[zippydebrain]

However smart GOD may be he wouldn't want to endlessly mess around trying to fix up the ecosystems to that animals and plants can survive he wold make them take care of that themselves. It our TINY window into the world, GOD's world if you must, animals and species seem permanent but they are transient. Everything we see about it suggests strongly that evolution is unconstrained and un-fettered by a GOD. (And why would a smart GOD need to.)

[zippydebrain]

What is at stake, and the reason the devout hold onto the idea that 'evolution within a species' or 'evolution for animals but not man' is the vanity of MAN that we must be more important in the eyes of GOD than the other animals and we must be special...if we are a result of a spectacular process, even a spectacular process started by GOD, it kills the man is made in GOD's image idea.

Do you really think any GOD that exists is even remotely like us?

How vain is that?

[yourboycal]

"Do you really think any GOD that exists is even remotely like us?"

If there was a god , and he did think like us , the universe would fall apart =p . We have to much ignorance , not enough empthy lack of principals , loss of morals , decline of values . Todays world is disgusting , its almost like were a bunch of monkeys throwing poop at each other ;)

[yourboycal]

"appears to be self perpetuating and unconstrained" sure to a simple mind . =)

We havnt figured it all out , science and religion shall meet. The stories of the theologian on the mountain is true , your still trying to climb the mountain i assure you , you will meet him up there =) no matter how much its gonna hurt your feelings. Humans are special , the universe was created for our exsistence . Imagine the vastness of the universe without life , who will uphold its beauty?

[zippydebrain]

=sure to a simple mind=

People looking and seeing something that is not the apparent obvious idea that has been around for 3000 years is the simple minded view?

Science hasn't figured it all out, religion tries to insist it has all the answers. They two are very different, but where science fails religion often takes over it is true.

Why would it hurt my feelings to believe I am not special and then learn that in fact was? It is a comforting idea, just one many of us cannot believe.

[yourboycal]

"People looking and seeing something that is not the apparent obvious idea that has been around for 3000 years is the simple minded view?"

Its only stood the test of time for this long , because we have not reached a naturlistic conclusion which can bind together quantum mechanics with ensteins theory , if thats even possible. Surly you dont expect to throw away the possiblity of a god on the basis of the little knowledge of science we do have?

[zippydebrain]

=Surly you dont expect to throw away the possiblity of a god ...=

Well with everything else, existence needs to be proven not disproven, but thus far most things that we once attributed to GOD (like thunder and lightning for example) have been found to have natural explanations.

=Religon uses a simple basis for there theory =

Religion is dogma. A scientific idea that there may be a creator is one thing, but the bible is NOT evidence of that idea. There is no evidence to speak of for GOD.

[yourboycal]

"Well with everything else, existence needs to be proven not disproven"

Yes proven of course , science has not done it yet , therefore the existence theory of creation still stands . whats wrong with that? once science does its job, then it will be so self evident that we dont need creation ;)

"Religion is dogma."

Religion is a belief system , and talking to some darwinists i am starting to see sciencism with lots of belief and not science

[zippydebrain]

with the way you guys do science, or comprehend it even, I can see where you would mistake it for faith or belief but it truly is a different thing for most of us.

As for your statement that because Science hasn't proven anything yet (not to your satisfaction though there is an issue of UNDERSTANDING there that is missing) so we must therefore fall back on GOD DID IT because that is what we believed before even though there is LESS evidence for that than there is for evolution.

[yourboycal]

"I can see where you would mistake it for faith"

You see , i already made clear before i didnt have a "faith" but you dont like to read do you ? so i'll let that one go s an honest mistake sparky

[zippydebrain]

You wrote this:

"Yes proven of course , science has not done it yet , therefore the existence theory of creation still stands "

You wish to argue for the creation 'theory' AND say that you do not have a faith? What little effort has been taken to prove a creator has been largely laughable if only because most of the people doing it consider the Bible to be an important document (not an artifact) in that debate.

The statement you quote does not say you have a faith anyways, re-read it.

[yourboycal]

"You wish to argue for the creation 'theory' AND say that you do not have a faith? "

I wish to argue of the open mind theory not to dismiss so easily my friend , but you dont care about that do you sparky :p

"because most of the people doing it consider the Bible "

Now you left me to "most people" please stop jumping around

[zippydebrain]

="because most of the people doing it consider the Bible "

Now you left me to "most people" please stop jumping around=

You broke that sentence up and responded to it in three seperate posts. This is the kind of crap we expect people from guys like you. Forget taking sentences out of context, you are doing it with sentence fragments of the same sentence. It is a shame it is so hard to follow threads on here, it follows from one of your earlier posts, not my line of thought.

[yourboycal]

"This is the kind of crap we expect people from guys like you"

If you cant debate please dont cry about it =/

"it follows from one of your earlier posts, not my line of thought. "

sigh , same old excuses when there cornored , i cant believe im wasting my bandwidth replying to such a circular argument.

[zippydebrain]

=same old excuses when there cornored , i cant believe im wasting my bandwidth replying to such a circular argument.=

You cornered me how exactly? With what breathtaking bit of logic have you convinced yourself you have made a point of some kind? Where was my circular logic? It isn't circular because you said so. I was referring you back to the fact that it was you that brought up the point you were then criticizing to begin with.

[yourboycal]

"a creator has been largely laughable if only because most of the people doing it "

Yup keep laughing , It amuses me to see people like you who think they know , and use science as there platform =) , that is one path i would never wanna take , i'll chose open mind on both sides ty very much =)

[zippydebrain]

=t amuses me to see people like you who think they know , and use science as there platform=

GO back and follow what this is about. I was reffering to what little scientific effort has been taken REAL SCIENCE I mean, to prove GOD exists. There is very little evidence. The bible doesn't count. Your statements thus far preclude the possibility of an open mind. I have stated many times that I am open the the possibility of some kind of GOD just not the one described in the bible.

[yourboycal]

@zippydebrain "GO back and follow what this is about"

I checked , and you still failed at reading my comments :)

"REAL SCIENCE I mean, to prove GOD exists"

Real science is still trying to get a harmonious theory to bring together quantum science and relativity. Let alone try to prove gods exsistence.

"The bible doesn't count"

again a weak attempt by you. 1) i do not believe in the bible , it has far to many inconsistencies and contradictions .

Dont put words in my mouth =)

[zippydebrain]

=Real science is still trying to get a harmonious theory to bring together quantum science and relativity.=

Real science is a process, not an institution. Testable, verifiable tests that can be repeated with the same results.

Here we have another example of your argument strategy, diversion and distortion.

I said the bible doesn't count AS EVIDENCE, and that is the main evidence put forth for GOD, in particular (as I have said many times now) for the GOD of the bible.

[zippydebrain]

Where do I say A faith?

I said FAITH.

It does not necessarily refer to religion. It is about believing things for which there is no good evidence without any evidence one way or the other.

Religions require faith. If there is no faith component then it probably can't be called a religion. Faith does not require a religion. Until a scientific theory is proven scientists have faith that an idea will be proven true...they will also be convinced it isn't by evidence to the contrary.

[yourboycal]

"believing things for which there is no good evidence"

Good or bad evidence is a matter of presepction and application of that evidence.

faith?- a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny

we dont call it "faith " in science my rookie friend =)

[zippydebrain]

=Good or bad evidence is a matter of presepction and application of that evidence.=

Believing something based on bad evidence is bad science, not faith. When idiots try science the end up with bad results quite regularly. I didn't say anything about good or bad evidence I said NONE. People love to point to the bible as evidence of something. I have yet to see anyone point to plausible evidence of GOD from elsewhere...care to give it a GOD or do you prefer to rant as you seem to enjoy?

[yourboycal]

"therefore fall back on GOD DID IT"

You missed the point again =(

[yourboycal]

"Science hasn't proven anything yet (not to your satisfaction"

Not to many peoples satisfaction , i enjoy swiss cheese , but thats about all i can take for something that has that many holes in it ;)

"therefore fall back on GOD DID IT "

Big bang did it :p

Dont waste my time on circular arguments , please say something productive and read what i write , stop with twisting of words for me to fit inside a box in ur head , im past that , and past you sparky =)

[zippydebrain]

=Big bang did it :p=

Yes, but while there is a lot of hand waiving about the beginnings of the universe there is an admission that there is a lot of hand waiving about the beginning. We don't really know. While much of science remains theoretical, you live in a world that is a monument to both the good and the bad that science has given us, not least of which the ability to communicate in a forum like this with people from all over the world!!

[yourboycal]

"Science hasn't figured it all out, religion tries to insist it has all the answers. "

Science is a method not a position. Religon uses a simple basis for there theory , Creationists who know nothing of theolgy say religon has it figured out , athiests who know little of science say science has the answers. Its only the open minded ones who stay in the middle as the evidence is collected over time who will achieve truth . Keeping both sides open in your mind is ignorances repealler

[yourboycal]

"to believe I am not special and then learn that in fact was? It is a comforting idea, just one many of us cannot believe. "

You have to look at it on a macro level , if there truly is no god , and its all a natural process , then there is no denying we are earths cancer , we consume , reproduce , dominate , eat the earts resources , shit in its oceans , throw toxic chemicals in air sea land , contaminating everything . Now if there is a god then earth is our playground =)

[zippydebrain]

=Now if there is a god then earth is our playground =

And we still crap all over it. That actually makes things WORSE in my view.

However,we do behave much like a plague on the planet except that unlike most plagues we recognize (some of is) it as a bad thing, and work to change our impact on the planet. If we manage to survive to a point where we don't kill the planet (and ourselves with it) we will have earned our spot in the universe, even if we happen to be first.

[yourboycal]

"However,we do behave much like a plague"

No matter what , we are the plague.

"we recognize (some of is) it as a bad thing"

This is thanks to the parts in our body that makes us feel like were hurting planet surly theres no atom for love , hate , empthy compassion etc.

"to a point where we don't kill the planet (and ourselves with it) we will have earned our spot in the universe,"

Earned our spot? no lol , our little time here means nothing in universe

[zippydebrain]

=no atom for love , hate , empthy compassion etc.=

No, but most of those emotions, it turns out, serve an evolutionary purpose.

= our little time here means nothing in universe=

On the grand scheme of things I don't really disagree with that assessment however if we can get off this rock our effect on the universe could be profound, if not, negligible is an over estimate.

It even makes sense that in order to become stewards of the universe we first must survive our own environment.

[yourboycal]

"It even makes sense that in order to become stewards of the universe we first must survive our own environment. "

Our enviroment has done very well in keeping us alive thus far, our enviroment is far greater then we could ever minipulate . Almost like thers someone watching us =) either that or were on a giant rock flying through space 66,000mph with no instruction manual how to fly it , and nobody in charge w00t

[zippydebrain]

=either that or were on a giant rock flying through space 66,000mph with no instruction manual how to fly it , and nobody in charge=

Because you don't like that idea there for there is a GOD? Our environment is self regulating, and as I have said may times it does not rule out a GOD, but GOD is very hands OFF it seems.

The problem we face is that often the way problems are solved in nature is by making the environment unlivable for the worst offenders: That would be US.

[yourboycal]

"

Because you don't like that idea there for there is a GOD"

You keep jumping to god of the gaps logic. Your wasting your internet on pointless arguments that you know wont get us no where. You've made quite a few now that its just not even fun anymore to reply too. You were fun to talk for a bit , till your brain when neutral on u ;) take care sparky

[zippydebrain]

=You keep jumping to god of the gaps logic.=

I have made no argument in favour of a GOD. not one. The closest I have come is to state there is no clear evidence of the lack of a GOD just a lack of evidence for his existence.

I was paraphrasing your iron clad argument that there must be a GOD...when you stated that it doesn't make any sense to you that there couldn't be a GOD..

What I did say was that GOD has always filled in for what we don't understand...

[zippydebrain]

But GOD no longer raises the sun in the sky or causes the grass to grow, or the clouds to form. We UNDERSTAND those processes. There are so many more processes we have yet to understand but we DO understand that however it happens GOD isn't secretly making it happen in the background. Any GOD that may exist simply set up a universe where that stuff happens, science is trying to work out what that is.

In every measurable way GOD that might exist is indistinguishable from one that does not.

[yourboycal]

"GOD isn't secretly making it happen in the background."

Hey if you've convinced your self , with the evidence available today , then your free to think what you want. just dont try and force it upon others ;)

[zippydebrain]

=just dont try and force it upon others=

So you believe that GOD personally makes every crystal and personally keeps the sun burning rather than setting up a natural process that just happens? That is what I am arguing against here. Of course you are now showing some obvious signs of just being a lame ass troll rather than someone that actually believes anything you are saying.

[yourboycal]

"But GOD no longer raises the sun in the sky or causes the grass to grow, or the clouds to form"

I can see your issue with god , comments like these show your level of understanding of if there was a god , how powerful he would have to be. you are comparing a process of the sun rising compared to the intelligence needed for that process to exsist .

[zippydebrain]

=you are comparing a process of the sun rising compared to the intelligence needed for that process to exsist .=

I am simply not declaring that since I don't understand it it must have happened by magic because of some magical entity that doesn't need an explanation because he is magical and is entirely undetectable by any rational, objective means. Do you have some objective test for the existence of GOD? Just saying that you don't believe in a universe without a GOD isn't an argument.

[yourboycal]

"I am simply not declaring that since I don't understand it it must have happened by magic because of some magical entity that doesn't need an explanation"

You dont have to declare anything , right now the evidence for either side is swiss cheese, Just keep an open mind is all im shooting for here. I've made that quite clear many times . Hopefully if we dont blow our selfs up we have many rediscoverys ahead and who knows what doors it might open?

[zippydebrain]

=right now the evidence for either side is swiss cheese=

Large parts of science are well proven. Large parts, especially where it comes to the origins of life or the universe, are unproven. That does not negate all the stuff that has been well proven including evolution. So far we have successfully understood a great many things that were once attributed to some kind of magic. I expect that trend to continue. We may yet find God's phone number, but this far God appears to be unnecessary.

[WolYou]

yourbocal: The evidence is not on the religious side, since religion doesnt deal with evidence by definition. religion is also not a "side". religion is just dumb delusion. It just fits the people's mind who can't deal with open questions. To assume the existence of some gods is as old as human society. and it's been a false assumption since then. there is plenty of logical reasons why a construct like gods doesnt work in reality.

[yourboycal]

"science is trying to work out what that is."

Yes trying to work out , which is great , just dont try and force people to leave the creation theory on the basis of your science attempt, all im saying is keep an open mind , but you keep trying to bash me like im a young earth creationists , even still your atempts have failed as i've called you out on many flaws in your argument =)

[zippydebrain]

=Yes trying to work out , which is great , just dont try and force people to leave the creation theory on the basis of your science attempt, all im saying is keep an open mind=

We were forced to believe that crap for 3000+ years. Don't play for sympathy because people are getting sick of religious dogma. I take it you think we should all ignore science completely until it has EVERYTHING figured out?

Science has a great track record. What separates us from the MONKEYS is what science has done.

[zippydebrain]

Science improves our standard of living and our understanding of the universe on an almost daily basis. Religions (all of them even those that are not organized) strive too keep knowledge the same as much as possible.

I have yet to see any scientific attempts to prove the bible that were not drop dead hilarious. I wouldn't mind seeing some actual scientists giving it a try but so far nobody has come close.

Prove it to us, please. I would love some evidence.

[yourboycal]

"Science improves our standard of living and our understanding of the universe on an almost daily basis"

Yes but science also helps with the destruction of nations , biological , atomic weapons, toxins etc.

"strive too keep knowledge the same as much as possible."

If you had the slightest clue of theology you'd understand why =)

"I have yet to see any scientific attempts to prove the bible "

Me too ;)

[yourboycal]

"We were forced to believe that crap for 3000+ years."

No only some , there were plenty who did not uphold the baseless bible.

"Don't play for sympathy because people are getting sick of religious dogma"

There more sick of religious politics that makes religion look like something only a krazed manaic would join ;)

"I take it you think we should all ignore science completely until it has EVERYTHING figured out?"

This is just a silly claim. No , i love science its my fuel for philosophy ;)

[yourboycal]

"ignore science completely until it has EVERYTHING figured out?"

Nope , Just keep an open mind. and dont act arrogant towards other theories , We need to learn together for a common goal , not look at our differnce and seperate further and further form that goal.

"Science has a great track record. What separates us from the MONKEYS is what science has done. "

Science certainly does have a great record , but also like anything else has its dark clouds =)

[zippydebrain]

=Science certainly does have a great record , but also like anything else has its dark clouds =)=

No argument there but science lays no claim on morality that is a separate issue.

[yourboycal]

"was paraphrasing your iron clad argument that there must be a GOD"

Totally missed the point =*( if you dont wanna read my comments before replying , why should i even waste my bandwidth replying to you? =(

[zippydebrain]

=Totally missed the point=

Your point wasn't addressing the point I was making so whether I got it or not is irrelevant. Don't forget you are the one that took ONE of my sentences and responded to it in THREE different posts addressing each fragment but never addressed the three parts put together in a sentence, probably because you can't. All your arguments in the last few posts are akin to 'is not'.

You had declared that GOD must exist because the universe is so amazing.

[yourboycal]

"You had declared that GOD must exist because the universe is so amazing. "

This is just want you want me to declare. I am a philosopher , i have not been convinced yet by either side yet , but i do not dismiss it . Darwinism , creation both are open for me . Maybe for you the evidence is substantial , but im not you . I need alot more evidence from either side for me to make up my mind , some real meat and potatoes you know , something you can bite into and go mmmm this is good evidence =)

[zippydebrain]

=Imagine the vastness of the universe without life , who will uphold its beauty?=

If it was created, it was created for life to enjoy but the truth of the matter is that the universe is so riduculously BIG that it couldn't possibly have been created juts for us. That idea is so utterly absurd I cannot comprehend how absurd it is.

Check out the Hubble Deep Field image and tell me that this universe was created just for us. If you understand the significance of that image you get what I mean.

[yourboycal]

Yes i've seen that picture of hubble picture of the deepest we've seen . It was beautiful site .And shows you how amazing and lucky we really are to be here in the , green zone of the universe where life can exsist , because all of its factors are finely tweaked to support life .

[zippydebrain]

=green zone of the universe where life can exsist=

There are other places life could exist, this star is one of many that could, though we have very little data on actual planets that are like ours.

The point is that the deep field image was a part of space that, as far as we knew, was completely BLACK. Nobody had ever seen any of these stars since GOD decided to make them all in his spare time on day 2 (or whatever) forget the fact that it all happened so long ago.

Again, its absurd.

[yourboycal]

"GOD decided to make them all in his spare time on day 2 "

its abusrd because your trying to bring god into your realativity , dont you understand if there is a god he has to be outside this box? A fish in an aquarium cant explain his exsistence inside the fish tank , what makes you think that you can?

[zippydebrain]

I was more referring to the fact that all these extra stars were stars that we were not even going to be able to SEE until we could build a freaking space ship and launch a radio controlled satellite telescope into space, this after all those years of being told that telescopes were the work of the devil or whatever they imprisoned Galileo for.

Never mind the use of the word DAY when it can't mean DAY since the sun came after day 1. What makes me thing we can? Because we are, bit by bit.

[lwahlberg100]

...so this was re-uploaded...I was wondering how this only had 955 views and 4 comments.

Keep up the science, fellas.

[parodyking23]

Hovind is full of crap, isn't he?

[ExtantD0d0]

CReationist Astronomy Propaganda too (lol)

[parodyking23]

damn, so true.

[DontBendOverForAllah]

I've re-uploaded 3 ExtantDodo videos already. We had the same battle with Pat Condell we got him back we will get ExtantDodo back!!! Re-upload until they relent. Re-upload, Re-upload, Re-upload. They re-instated Pat Condell because they did not want the story to break into the main stream media.

[dechha1981]

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