@Argibon Allow me, if I might possibly improve on your post. Oh, hell yes, let him suffer, but put him out of misery? Not a chance. Go beyond knocking him in the nads; waterboard him, send him to France for some rendition, have him eat a yard of shit from chris christy, beat him after his thrice daily waterboarding, hang him upside down in a meat locker while he''s used as a sparing partner. Permit him to heal up at Walter Reed, then let him heal up and then do it all over again for 8 yrs.
@Argibon It was a bit silly, probably after two vikes and a bottle of wine. I'm somewhat hesitant to pretend to improve one's work, however, I was satisfied I wouldn't let you down.
US CODE:TITLE 18> PART I > CHAPTER 113C > § 2340A Torture
This is the law that cheny/bush/rumsfeld etc. broke. Google it. Some are eligible for th Death Penalty. Over 100 Detainees have died in US Custody. Over 30 have been classified by US Army Doctors as homicides. cheny/bush/rumsfeld etc should be fully investigated and when found guilty. Should be sentenced to life in prison at hard labor with no chance of parole. They should only B let out to empty bed pans at NMC Bethesda & Walter Reed.
Not only should Congress not pass such legislation, it is unlawful and will not confer any retroactive immunity even if they do. Capital felon War Criminals WILL be brought to justice; stupid ignorant criminal pieces of paper passed by Debt Syndicate WHORES will afford no exoneration.
It doesn't matter if there is legislation to pardon Bush, Cheney, et al for war crimes, because they don't need to be charged or tried for war crimes.
They only need to be arrested and detained...indefinitely.
It can be done. They don't require due process of law. Just ask Bush & Cheney if a person can be detained indefinitely without due process of law. They'll tell ya. Of course they can!
@jelinto By their own Shrub/Penguin metric they may be kidnapped, drugged, beaten half to death, put on an unmarked aircraft, flown to another country, held in a secret privately owned facility, and tortured to within a centimeter of their lives every day for the next thousand years. Turnabout is fair play.
Wolf is such a sellout tool, and he will NEVER be on the same page a sour great anchors like Cronkite, and Rather. Too bad you sold your integrity, wolf-shit-blitzer!
First but not foremost, Bush's detractors despised him viscerally, as a man. Where working-class populists saw him as a smug, effeminate frat boy who wouldn't recognize a hard day's work if it kicked him in his self-satisfied ass, intellectuals see a simian-faced idiot unqualified to mow his own lawn, much less leader of the free world.
if they let Bush off the hook then we may as well eliminate the UN because no one honors its rules. It just proves that in times of ....whatever, the US Government won't abide by or honor the national community's rules and treaties, so get rid of it or get rid of the US. its looking like the two are incompatible.
@uturniaphobic It doesn't matter as long as the US is in charge. However, once the power shifts; and it will, everything they have done will be thrown back at them. They are creating a world of shit for themselves, be it in five years or a hundred. We've already seen the beginning of it! For the people who don't vote because they think it's unimportant... Look At What You've Done!!!
no genva i dont know what you are but you sya much for a corrutoed order ,what isnt my skin balkc enogh for you do the bucks talk loder than your ethical moral stakes or is it the old boyz in the uni and your worldly politicla connections thta prevent your legal prcatcies of selection thye sould clAL YOU genvasim the survival of the elitist ,egt yuor old boy connatcs old chap and wlel see what kind of sitaution it is then will say what what its education,then yoru crazy soem go to france ,
but france really .say chaps what this abotu bush .now one more tiem it took a few decades in the making it was always going to ahppen but the major part of it was doen under the democrates os what you say abotu thta ,imagine it.bin laden watches the news `ha ,they have bush now ,quick we wil attack the twin towers,and thye will blame him forgetting the previous bombing in the underground car park,so the conspirators what you dotn like the real dude on your chit chat,singing asses arent you
I love the "wisdom" that spews forth from the hateful minds of "enlightened" liberals like so much poison. Completely bereft of any realistic facts, as if from some strange alternate universe. Continuously regurgitating tired, long ago refuted charges that shows a complete lack of a grasp of history. You all really need to come up with a different playbook. Preferably one that contains some actual arguments and not just incessant whining...
Not at all a liberal, but you posted a "grasp of history"
There once was a man who started a war in a country, but did not invade it's capital. He later wrote in his memoirs that to have done so would have resulted in a civil war in that country.
The man: hw bush, the country: iraq. The result of not reading histroy, shit for brains w bush, and a fucking civil war.
Bush Sr. was following the dictates of the UN. I have yet to see any quote like the one you mentioned. What I know he did say was he was bound by the UN mandates, and wanted to spare further bloodshed. The "civil war" existed only in the minds of psychotic Bush-haters. The agitators were comprised mostly of foreign terrorists killing Iraqi civilians. Iraq is generally under control, with power being turned over to the Iraqi people. You gotta find something else to whine about. This is tired...
Just because you have not read the memiors does not mean it's not the truth. Remember, read, history. You obviously got your psychotic civil war bullshit from bill kristol who said it was pop pschyology. Go ask the sunnis and shiites about this imaginary civil war. You are, in part, right about the "terrorist". They are called insurgents, and they were not there until shit for brains got us over there. If this is tires you, take a nap and read. Iraq, at least kept a check on terror(iran)
You're exactly right. - For that matter, Cheney knew too: "Cheney '94: Invading Baghdad Would Create Quagmire " - ( watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I )
Before this is over Cheney's understanding in 1994 may yet come to pass. - Unfortunately, as Colin Powell said: "You break it, you bought it". - By "breaking" Iraq Bush/Cheney bought a world of trouble the US didn't need.
i knwo lets sue the go code to blame the bushes right then everyoen quick buy soem palne tickets and its thta easy ,see it takes tiem to rot the foundations of the structure not a few mouths hye tena blackies anywyas can you stop yuor sexula absuers now i wotn eb delaing with devil filth so fuck off .dirty police filth what an evil death such natsyness of western war crimainals wont be laughing niggers,yes PC wordl racist ro rapist for false accusations ,dumb asses aryan ethinc cleansing now!
in europe the aryan blondes and blue eyed europeans are being ethically cleansed by the nigegr pratices of players of mums and dads ,these are sacrelgious orders of racial terroroism o one is doing shit for the arynas hitlers ocne favoourite ethenic group ,thanks jew boy,we belive this a tactic for furture hatred of non aryans not the jews but the blackies of africa and non aryans asians ect
Nothing like trying to change the rules after the fact! If America cares about it's ideals, then this administration must be held accountable! Failing that, it is no different than any of the third rate dictatorships it frequently looks down upon!
How can they pass a bill to protect them when the Geneva Convention is an International thing, It's not to the US that they have to answere for their crimes, its the rest of the world.
If this is true, then that is utterly disgusting and anti-American. These bastards better be brought to justice.
Don't get me wrong, I hate terrorists that blow themselves up in public places, murdering hundreds or thousands of innocent civilians, but that doesn't mean Bush should get away with illegally torturing people HE claims to be terrorists. What if they're not? What if he's wrong? Then they just say "OOPS! Sorry!" ?
Not just Bush, Cheney, Rice et al, but all the cabinet, and indeed, following the precedent of the Nuremberg trials, the Generals, Powell, Petraeus, and all the senior officers need to be brought before a court. Bush gave thwe orders, they followed, without a thought as to the consequences. One million dead Iraqui people.
They are terrorists, not prisoners of war. They do not follow the articles of the Geneva convention. Do you think that if they had you as a prisoner that you would get what they get? Would they let you practice your own religion? The only thing you would get from them is a dull blade sawing through your neck untill your head fell off. Think about it!
Ya thats smart!!! BEAT THE ENEMY BY DOING WHAT THEY DO. That way even if you beat them they still win, because you become the enemy. Smart thinking dumbass
Oops, found a few spelling errors, sorry about that (should preview it more closely next time!)
It is interesting to note that pro-Bush supporters were allowed to rally in Sydney, yet the governments (federal & state) attempted at all costs to prevent anti-Bush rallies.
APEC was only a political talkfest, in an attempt to build support for the Australian prime minister (one of the worst we've had, equal with Whitlam)
1. War Criminal Bush proved that he illegally invaded Iraq only for Oil a Money, as when he was at APEC 2007 meeting, he "accidently" called it OPEC, and we all know what OPEC represtents, don't we?
And yes, by this oil war, Bush & his two main puppets (Howard & Blair) have killed a lot more people than Osama. Notice how "hard" it is for Bush & Co to find Osama, yet Saddam was found relativity quickly? (continued in reply)
2. 2. Bush doesn't want to find Osama yet, because he is more valuable to him if he is not found, but I wonder if he will be found just before the US election? I'm not saying Saddam wasn't a bad person (he was), but Iraq seemed to be more stable under him, than it is at present. Since "Dubya" invaded Iraq, Iraq has every right to defend itself against the invader/s.
all i got to say is, GOOGLE THESE: "Peak oil" "Operation Northwoods" & "Oil Fields as Military Objectives: A Feasibility Study, Report Prepared by the Congressional Research Service"
No, Congress should not pass a bill giving retroactive immunity to President Bush for possible war crimes as to do so undermines confidence in the rule of law and in Americans collectively as being a just people.
War crimes are crimes against specific people but also they are crimes against us all. War crimes against foreign nationals, merely because they are foreign nationals, are not for Congress to forgive.
"Buried deep inside this legislation is a provision that will PARDON PRESIDENT BUSH AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF HIS ADMINISTRATION OF ANY POSSIBLE CRIMES connected with the TORTURE AND MISTREATMENT of detainees..."
HEY HEY HO HO - GEORGE BUSH HAS GOT TO GO!
October 5, 2006: No Work. No School. Protest George W. Bush! The world can't wait!
Did this happen?
rannier98 9 months ago
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pepelepew2006 5 months ago in playlist pepelepew2006's Favorited Videos
I'm not sure what i would do to Bush if i ever met him in RL... Bush, Pol Pot, Kum Young and other criminals should be dealt with permanently!
Jasminewynja 10 months ago
@Jasminewynja First, kick him in the balls. Let him suffer a bit then put him out of his misery. GWB is a War Criminal.
Argibon 3 months ago
@Argibon Allow me, if I might possibly improve on your post. Oh, hell yes, let him suffer, but put him out of misery? Not a chance. Go beyond knocking him in the nads; waterboard him, send him to France for some rendition, have him eat a yard of shit from chris christy, beat him after his thrice daily waterboarding, hang him upside down in a meat locker while he''s used as a sparing partner. Permit him to heal up at Walter Reed, then let him heal up and then do it all over again for 8 yrs.
walkermydawg 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@walkermydawg Thank you for upgrading:] Well done.
Argibon 1 month ago
@Argibon It was a bit silly, probably after two vikes and a bottle of wine. I'm somewhat hesitant to pretend to improve one's work, however, I was satisfied I wouldn't let you down.
walkermydawg 1 month ago
US CODE:TITLE 18> PART I > CHAPTER 113C > § 2340A Torture
This is the law that cheny/bush/rumsfeld etc. broke. Google it. Some are eligible for th Death Penalty. Over 100 Detainees have died in US Custody. Over 30 have been classified by US Army Doctors as homicides. cheny/bush/rumsfeld etc should be fully investigated and when found guilty. Should be sentenced to life in prison at hard labor with no chance of parole. They should only B let out to empty bed pans at NMC Bethesda & Walter Reed.
19MASTERSHAKE61 1 year ago
Not only should Congress not pass such legislation, it is unlawful and will not confer any retroactive immunity even if they do. Capital felon War Criminals WILL be brought to justice; stupid ignorant criminal pieces of paper passed by Debt Syndicate WHORES will afford no exoneration.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
It doesn't matter if there is legislation to pardon Bush, Cheney, et al for war crimes, because they don't need to be charged or tried for war crimes.
They only need to be arrested and detained...indefinitely.
It can be done. They don't require due process of law. Just ask Bush & Cheney if a person can be detained indefinitely without due process of law. They'll tell ya. Of course they can!
jelinto 1 year ago 2
@jelinto By their own Shrub/Penguin metric they may be kidnapped, drugged, beaten half to death, put on an unmarked aircraft, flown to another country, held in a secret privately owned facility, and tortured to within a centimeter of their lives every day for the next thousand years. Turnabout is fair play.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
Wolf is such a sellout tool, and he will NEVER be on the same page a sour great anchors like Cronkite, and Rather. Too bad you sold your integrity, wolf-shit-blitzer!
avibard 1 year ago
First but not foremost, Bush's detractors despised him viscerally, as a man. Where working-class populists saw him as a smug, effeminate frat boy who wouldn't recognize a hard day's work if it kicked him in his self-satisfied ass, intellectuals see a simian-faced idiot unqualified to mow his own lawn, much less leader of the free world.
jorgepautene 2 years ago
if they let Bush off the hook then we may as well eliminate the UN because no one honors its rules. It just proves that in times of ....whatever, the US Government won't abide by or honor the national community's rules and treaties, so get rid of it or get rid of the US. its looking like the two are incompatible.
uturniaphobic 2 years ago
@uturniaphobic It doesn't matter as long as the US is in charge. However, once the power shifts; and it will, everything they have done will be thrown back at them. They are creating a world of shit for themselves, be it in five years or a hundred. We've already seen the beginning of it! For the people who don't vote because they think it's unimportant... Look At What You've Done!!!
jacksawild 1 year ago
@jacksawild oh it would have done it to itself anyways, and I DO vote...why? I don't know, the elections are all rigged anyway.
uturniaphobic 1 year ago
@uturniaphobic and they're easier to rig if no one cares. Democracy is wasted on the sheep.
jacksawild 1 year ago
@jacksawild they are relying on the notion that no one cares. Best thing we can do is vote with our money.
uturniaphobic 1 year ago
no genva i dont know what you are but you sya much for a corrutoed order ,what isnt my skin balkc enogh for you do the bucks talk loder than your ethical moral stakes or is it the old boyz in the uni and your worldly politicla connections thta prevent your legal prcatcies of selection thye sould clAL YOU genvasim the survival of the elitist ,egt yuor old boy connatcs old chap and wlel see what kind of sitaution it is then will say what what its education,then yoru crazy soem go to france ,
delpha3110 2 years ago
Personally I think Americans should take some blame for allowing and voting for Bush
pepelepew2006 2 years ago 2
but france really .say chaps what this abotu bush .now one more tiem it took a few decades in the making it was always going to ahppen but the major part of it was doen under the democrates os what you say abotu thta ,imagine it.bin laden watches the news `ha ,they have bush now ,quick we wil attack the twin towers,and thye will blame him forgetting the previous bombing in the underground car park,so the conspirators what you dotn like the real dude on your chit chat,singing asses arent you
delpha3110 2 years ago
So, so, unlike the bush administration that I've grown to hate.
walkermydawg 2 years ago
The military don't start wars. Politicians start wars.
Helghast4000 2 years ago
Bush and his administration needs to be brought to justice for their war crimes and be burn alive and broadcasted world wide so we can all enjoy it.
Antizionist4life 2 years ago 2
dont forget cheney
irishkayo 2 years ago 4
yeah sorry I forgot about the Cheney pig!! thanks for reminding me!!!
Antizionist4life 2 years ago
I love the "wisdom" that spews forth from the hateful minds of "enlightened" liberals like so much poison. Completely bereft of any realistic facts, as if from some strange alternate universe. Continuously regurgitating tired, long ago refuted charges that shows a complete lack of a grasp of history. You all really need to come up with a different playbook. Preferably one that contains some actual arguments and not just incessant whining...
jimistreets 2 years ago
Not at all a liberal, but you posted a "grasp of history"
There once was a man who started a war in a country, but did not invade it's capital. He later wrote in his memoirs that to have done so would have resulted in a civil war in that country.
The man: hw bush, the country: iraq. The result of not reading histroy, shit for brains w bush, and a fucking civil war.
class dismissed dumb ass.
walkermydawg 2 years ago
Bush Sr. was following the dictates of the UN. I have yet to see any quote like the one you mentioned. What I know he did say was he was bound by the UN mandates, and wanted to spare further bloodshed. The "civil war" existed only in the minds of psychotic Bush-haters. The agitators were comprised mostly of foreign terrorists killing Iraqi civilians. Iraq is generally under control, with power being turned over to the Iraqi people. You gotta find something else to whine about. This is tired...
jimistreets 2 years ago
Just because you have not read the memiors does not mean it's not the truth. Remember, read, history. You obviously got your psychotic civil war bullshit from bill kristol who said it was pop pschyology. Go ask the sunnis and shiites about this imaginary civil war. You are, in part, right about the "terrorist". They are called insurgents, and they were not there until shit for brains got us over there. If this is tires you, take a nap and read. Iraq, at least kept a check on terror(iran)
walkermydawg 2 years ago
remember, kristol was applauded by the right as "dan auayle's brain" very impressive; if, under a false posit, that quayle had a brain.
walkermydawg 2 years ago
You're exactly right. - For that matter, Cheney knew too: "Cheney '94: Invading Baghdad Would Create Quagmire " - ( watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I )
Before this is over Cheney's understanding in 1994 may yet come to pass. - Unfortunately, as Colin Powell said: "You break it, you bought it". - By "breaking" Iraq Bush/Cheney bought a world of trouble the US didn't need.
Neo-Cons = Epic Failure
im4wur2 2 years ago
i knwo lets sue the go code to blame the bushes right then everyoen quick buy soem palne tickets and its thta easy ,see it takes tiem to rot the foundations of the structure not a few mouths hye tena blackies anywyas can you stop yuor sexula absuers now i wotn eb delaing with devil filth so fuck off .dirty police filth what an evil death such natsyness of western war crimainals wont be laughing niggers,yes PC wordl racist ro rapist for false accusations ,dumb asses aryan ethinc cleansing now!
delpha3110 2 years ago
in europe the aryan blondes and blue eyed europeans are being ethically cleansed by the nigegr pratices of players of mums and dads ,these are sacrelgious orders of racial terroroism o one is doing shit for the arynas hitlers ocne favoourite ethenic group ,thanks jew boy,we belive this a tactic for furture hatred of non aryans not the jews but the blackies of africa and non aryans asians ect
delpha3110 2 years ago
How many prisoners were tortured in Gitmo, Abu Grhaib and CIA black sites on orders from Bush/Cheney etc?
How many of them were released because they were not terrorists?
How many died?
Answer these questions and you will see clear picture of reckless disregard for human life.
War criminals ? We don't know until they get a fair trial.
NeilSagan 3 years ago
Nothing like trying to change the rules after the fact! If America cares about it's ideals, then this administration must be held accountable! Failing that, it is no different than any of the third rate dictatorships it frequently looks down upon!
snicholson1962 3 years ago
How can they pass a bill to protect them when the Geneva Convention is an International thing, It's not to the US that they have to answere for their crimes, its the rest of the world.
allenda77 3 years ago
Executive privilege ftl.
Zhou9 3 years ago
bush and his ilk should burn for his crimes, im sure he will, the devil is patient
sausageslaps 3 years ago
so what happened with this bill?
precisionbones 3 years ago
I always thought he was the worst president ever, but now I think he's even more worser than that.
yervan007 4 years ago
Wow! talk about covering your own a@#. Bush practically admitted to war crimes by trying to pass this bill.
oneidKing 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
How would you run the war? It is taking every ounce of my strength not to jump through this monitor and wrap my hands around your throat. Idiot.
mercurymeteor 4 years ago
Dictators usualy do these,i think saddam also pardoned himself from all the good things he did!
maydayfire 4 years ago 6
bush was in hell he asked the devil can i do 2 calls ?
after he asked for the bill ...the devil told him weel between hell and hell its free
freelebanese 4 years ago
This goes to show that USA stands for UNITED STATES OF ARROGANCE!
NEWUSER101 4 years ago 3
Totally disgusting. This regime is turning this nation into a dictatorship.
Northax 4 years ago 16
Maybe we deserve to deal with our first fascist violent brutal dictator so we don't make these mistakes of apathy again.
lordblazer 4 years ago 12
@Northax you mean morons
pepelepew2006 1 year ago
If this is true, then that is utterly disgusting and anti-American. These bastards better be brought to justice.
Don't get me wrong, I hate terrorists that blow themselves up in public places, murdering hundreds or thousands of innocent civilians, but that doesn't mean Bush should get away with illegally torturing people HE claims to be terrorists. What if they're not? What if he's wrong? Then they just say "OOPS! Sorry!" ?
Northax 4 years ago 2
all of this is true and yet its not even a scratch on the tip of the iceberg
DGr8Strategist 4 years ago 3
Remember FRENCH REVOLUTION!!!!
Mohrphaeus 4 years ago
They ARE behind 911 and most of the deception today.
Sorrow, death, tears and blood.
All for money.
POWER TO THE PEOPLE! AWAKE AND MARCH!
Mohrphaeus 4 years ago 2
Sheehan for PREZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!
EARTH DESERVES...
Revolution NOW!!!!
Mohrphaeus 4 years ago
fuck impeaching the monkey
assassinate him!
snapper6996 4 years ago
Not just Bush, Cheney, Rice et al, but all the cabinet, and indeed, following the precedent of the Nuremberg trials, the Generals, Powell, Petraeus, and all the senior officers need to be brought before a court. Bush gave thwe orders, they followed, without a thought as to the consequences. One million dead Iraqui people.
Oh, and a few thousand americans.
landsker 4 years ago
They are terrorists, not prisoners of war. They do not follow the articles of the Geneva convention. Do you think that if they had you as a prisoner that you would get what they get? Would they let you practice your own religion? The only thing you would get from them is a dull blade sawing through your neck untill your head fell off. Think about it!
bennyrov 4 years ago
Ya thats smart!!! BEAT THE ENEMY BY DOING WHAT THEY DO. That way even if you beat them they still win, because you become the enemy. Smart thinking dumbass
rurounisong 4 years ago 3
Oops, found a few spelling errors, sorry about that (should preview it more closely next time!)
It is interesting to note that pro-Bush supporters were allowed to rally in Sydney, yet the governments (federal & state) attempted at all costs to prevent anti-Bush rallies.
APEC was only a political talkfest, in an attempt to build support for the Australian prime minister (one of the worst we've had, equal with Whitlam)
platformone 4 years ago 2
1. War Criminal Bush proved that he illegally invaded Iraq only for Oil a Money, as when he was at APEC 2007 meeting, he "accidently" called it OPEC, and we all know what OPEC represtents, don't we?
And yes, by this oil war, Bush & his two main puppets (Howard & Blair) have killed a lot more people than Osama. Notice how "hard" it is for Bush & Co to find Osama, yet Saddam was found relativity quickly? (continued in reply)
platformone 4 years ago 2
2. 2. Bush doesn't want to find Osama yet, because he is more valuable to him if he is not found, but I wonder if he will be found just before the US election? I'm not saying Saddam wasn't a bad person (he was), but Iraq seemed to be more stable under him, than it is at present. Since "Dubya" invaded Iraq, Iraq has every right to defend itself against the invader/s.
platformone 4 years ago 2
what the fuck! america is going down the drain...democratic my ass
eldavoballyboy 4 years ago 2
Death to Bush! He's killed more americans than Osama ever did, and lied to the american people, at least osama owns up to his actions.
jjjjjole 4 years ago 3
Isn't this obstruction of justice?
Fragem420 4 years ago 3
all i got to say is, GOOGLE THESE: "Peak oil" "Operation Northwoods" & "Oil Fields as Military Objectives: A Feasibility Study, Report Prepared by the Congressional Research Service"
pigfister 4 years ago 2
What next? I hate to think about it....
MellowYellowONE 5 years ago 2
I wonder what Bush would say if Iraq passed retroactive immunity for Saddam
DBREAL 5 years ago 3
and the jerk passed it ..this man is a disgrace to this country , its just a shame that sooo many have fallen for all his lies .
skinski 5 years ago 2
Chilling.
Go to the CNN website he mentions and leave comments!
kivessa 5 years ago
No, Congress should not pass a bill giving retroactive immunity to President Bush for possible war crimes as to do so undermines confidence in the rule of law and in Americans collectively as being a just people.
War crimes are crimes against specific people but also they are crimes against us all. War crimes against foreign nationals, merely because they are foreign nationals, are not for Congress to forgive.
brettpa 5 years ago 2
"Buried deep inside this legislation is a provision that will PARDON PRESIDENT BUSH AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF HIS ADMINISTRATION OF ANY POSSIBLE CRIMES connected with the TORTURE AND MISTREATMENT of detainees..."
HEY HEY HO HO - GEORGE BUSH HAS GOT TO GO!
October 5, 2006: No Work. No School. Protest George W. Bush! The world can't wait!
exuberance 5 years ago 2
Impeach Bush..
wisedup 5 years ago 2