"I can show how carbon dioxide affects climate with this experiment..." Insulting, contemptible dishonesty! The CO2 is indeed absorbing the infrared radiation, but no one but a crank disputes that CO2 absorbs infrared. I can show you that trains are a bad means of public transport by showing you experimentally what one does to a penny placed on the tracks. But no one who disputes the badness of trains would dream of doing so by disputing that they can squash pennies.
Oh, by the way; if anyone was wondering, I've given up trying to talk to pondman - he is clearly delusional and will continue to ignore science over superstition and psudoscience. I have better things to do.
Paleoclimatology shows very clearly that a positive heating phase creates far more damaging feedback and reactions than beneficial ones. More energy = more powerful storm systems, for example. By the way, water precipitates out of the atmosphere far far quicker than co2. Co2 can remain there for at least 100 - 300 years - water vapour barely manages months at beat
@timaustin2000 I have no idea where that particular drivel came from, but the residensce time of water vapour within the atmosphere is far greater. But much more importantly, the idea that water within the atmosphere is purely from the earthly realm is both ignorant and ridicuous. As the sun continues its great sleep, so the entry into this little sphere of cosmic influences grows. And with that, the amount of water increases. this you will see as volcanic activity rises in the next months.
Once again, you're using your head; you are quite correct on most of your points; it is about energy in the system. More energy = more instability when it comes to weather and feedbacks.
So now we have agreed that rather than absorb infra red the gas reacts to it thus adding to the available energy for other processes. More especially the cooling ones. (Relevant right now I thin!) The formation of cloud nuclei are dependent on aerosol particulates or some other form of particle. Since the condensation of clouds water droplets absorbs surrounding gases and thus falls as acid rain.
Given that CO2 is a product of aerobic respiration and falls readily back to earth.
And of course scepticism is implicit in science; hence my use of quotation marks to suggest a differentiation between true scepticism and the blind and wilful ignorance displayed oh-too-frequently by many.
let's take the number below and have a bit of fun with maths; say that that O2 represents all air, convert it to Earth amounts; 5000,000,000,000 x 1000,000,000 = 5000,000,000,000,000,000,000 parts overall per cubic foot. So, 380 parts per million? Ah, its only 19,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules of CO2 per cubic foot - every one of which reacts with infra red radiation. Want me to multiply that by volume of atmosphere 3 miles high or have I made my f*cking point?!
@timaustin2000 Now you must explain the claim of absorption of energy and reflection of infra red of said CO2. Using large numbers does not provide a physical characteristic unless that same can be proved within a laboratory.
Is there a temperature difference between the incoming CO2 and the surrounding air? If so then the same phenomena would occur as is shown. Only my opinion, but then compared to you clever people we seem to have managed to predict long term patterns!
@pondman27 the point is that the physical characteristics and behavior of co2 HAS been proven in laboratory conditions! Hell, the video above is an EXAMPLE of this! At high school, this was demonstrated live to me in the classroom! There is absolutely no question whatsoever about the physical properties of CO2. NO ONE, not even "sceptics", argue that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that reacts with infra red radiation. Where are you getting this from?!
@timaustin2000 And where does the absorbed energy go! Is it not released immediately into the surrounding environment, thus into the rest of the living carbon. Not in the upper atmosphere, but close to earth where it is vital for life to sequester.
If you are going to refer to people as skeptics, you should remind yourself, just as Kevin Anderson does, that good science is persistently skeptical, especially when confronted by a political conspiracy.
@pondman27 remarkably, for the first time in all of our discussions, you just made scientific sense! Yes, the absorbed and re-emitted energy DOES get spread throughout the atmosphere; mainly in the troposphere where concentrations of all gases are highest. It is essentially turned from radiated heat (infra red) into convected heat (through the movement of molecules as vibrating co2 collides with other gases). Whereas infra red travels in straight lines, convected heat spreads out.
"Even more preposterously that the 95% of so called greenhouse gases being water vapour have only a 60% effect. Water vapour though it is recognised is the dominant cooling influences through cloud formation and snow/ice known as the albedo effect!"
No, what is truly proposterous is that you somehow imagine that 100's of atmospheric scientists worldwide have not taken this into account. Simply put; Water vapor cannot force warming - this would break the 2nd law of Thermodynamics.
@timaustin2000 100% of atmospheric scientists! Is that so?! What a disgrace you shills of this myth are. Now rather than debate or even discuss the amazing claims you make of the physical properties of the building block of life and negating the very substance that even now flows as the elixir of life within each of you.
Such a thing does not break the second laws of thermodynamics, since it is only by twisting such a thing as you would attempt.
"The given scenario being claimed as fact is, when dismantled truly and stunningly absurd."
And yet, you have yet to provide evidence of this,....
"What is claimed is that between 50 and a 100 cubic centimetres per cubic meter of CO2 will reflect infrared back to earth!"
By "claimed" you mean "directly measured and observed in real-time by a host of very expensive satellites and during laboratory experiments, such as the one above". How you get this mixed up, I have no idea.
@pondman27 you're arguing that the greenhouse effect is not possible in a thread below a video which shows directly and irrefutably that it is! *facepalm* You seem completely ignorant of atmospheric science to an almost laughable degree.
@timaustin2000 The given scenario being claimed as fact is, when dismantled truly and stunningly absurd. What is claimed is that between 50 and a 100 cubic centimetres per cubic meter of CO2 will reflect infrared back to earth!
Even more preposterously that the 95% of so called greenhouse gases being water vapour have only a 60% effect. Water vapour though it is recognised is the dominant cooling influences through cloud formation and snow/ice known as the albedo effect!
@timaustin2000 How very curious you shills are... Now perhaps you would like to explain how it is. that I have indeed been able to predict weather over entire regions to such an extent as to show that regional climate has shifted into a cooler phase. We do not need your NOAA to establish such. All that we need do is watch weather events unfolding across the northern hemisphere and record the depths to which the temperature plummets.
It is harder to estimate the depths to which you will!
@timaustin2000 I do not argue that the greenhouse effect is not possible. Instead that it is overwhelmingly an effect of the membranes of water that envelope this little sphere. It also is the element that cools. What I denounce is the absurd notion that a hundred parts per MILLION of CO2 could do the same.
None of your posts here, or this video have been honourable or demonstrated the proclaimed physics.
@pondman27 you just don't get it; water vapour does not and can not stay in the atmosphere indefinitely; it will ALWAYS precipitate out as rain. Energy is needed to place more of it up there by evaporation. If we were to remove all CO2 from the atmosphere tomorrow it would only be a matter of time before all the water fell to Earth; as rain fell, less vapor would remain, cooling the earth meaning less energy in the system to put replacement water back up there. A spiral down.
@pondman27 Without CO2 and methane up there to hold in enough heat to keep the cycle going it would collapse, leaving the planet totally void of all life. This is elementary atmospheric physics. Do you have any notion how many molecules of CO2 there are in the square inch front of your nose right now?
@pondman27 here's an example; one of Saturn's moons, Rhia, has a tenuous atmosphere of CO2 and oxygen but the amounts are 5 TRILLION times smaller than those which exist on Earth. Even at this ridiculously thin level, there are 1 BILLION molecules of oxygen in a cubic foot of air on that planet. Think about it carefully and so the maths.
@pondman; a God complex describes a sufferer of a delusion that he's certain must be correct, even when presented with irrefutable evidence to the contrary. The sufferer refuses to believe that he is fallable, instead inventing fallacies and conspiracy theories to explain why he is right and everyone else is mistaken. A sufferer does not have the critical ability to recognise this behavior. But please try.
Attempts to denigrate character without addressing the substance presented, as has been pointed out to you people before, are the tactics of charlatans.
Oh & I am just as fallible as you, after all for years I trusted these self appointed demigods. But that was before I uncovered, along with others, their inherent levels of inhuman tendency.
Whether you realise it or not, you're aiding & abetting a group of individuals that by their own declaration are intent on culling humans
BTW, the northern hemisphere includes the Mediterranean which is experiencing record high temperatures right now. This year alone about 20 record Hight temperatures have been recorded, but no record lows! So far it is the hottest year ever recorded globally... In january we find out if the cold snap demotes it to the third hottest year on record... It's been so hot so far, that is the lowest it can be degraded to... You have the memory of a goldfish!
No intellectual insight eh pond man? All this from a guy who thinks plants grow in valley because CO2 pools there and ignores the fact that water and soul pools there... Not forgetting you completely misunderstand what is being demonstrated here... Absorption bands in a gas. NOT the temp of a gas. You completely misunderstand high school science!
Hey Pooman, Dr Iain Stewart has been a PhD for 20 years and is a senior lecturer @ university of Plymouth. You however, Apart from misunderstanding the differences between gases are merely a methane man, a pooman, a gardener who is begrudging that professor Anderson won't debate you! See a pattern here?
@bernzeppi Bottled CO2 is liquid. Now if this little experiment was to have some merit, then the container of CO2 should have been at equilibrium with the receiving vessel.
Lets try this for size, do you DENY that the northern hemisphere is experiencing an extremely cold winter (record breaking)!??
@pondman27 You still don't get it do you? You don't know what an absorption line is. what an emission line is, how a black body radiates its spectrum... in this area you are a complete fucknuckle and you continue to be even worse that a complete fucknuckle by not checking up on what I am saying.
You have the education of a 10 year old and the arrogance of a 13 year old.
@bernzeppi UNfortunately for you lot, he agreed with the vast majority of what I said, but was entirely stumped when it came to the impossibility of the basic physics involved.
And please try to refrain from hurling insult, It does not bother me in the slightest but serves to demean your states of mind.
Best of all, you need to provide a formulaic description for how the trace levels of CO2 variation of 300 to 400 = 100 ppm only some of which can be assigned to human activity can absorb! (a process that in the normal world requires mass) and reflect (a process that requires influence on the electromagnetic spectrum magnitudes higher than CO2) infra red back to the surface.
@robhoneycutt And its extent of coldness for the last week of Nov & 1st week of Dec has been quoted by Accuweather as equivalent to the Maunder minimum.
Either way, it destroys claims of warming. The incidence of extreme cold are no longer isolated anecdotal evidence, it is simply too widespread.
Now this was predicted many months ago. Do you want me to trawl back through the postings? If certain amongst you had any honour, you would acknowledge the same.
@bernzeppi Insults, no substance, no intellectual insight. Well I think that reveals the level of your own capacities in this matter. Misunderstandings in gasses! I don't think so, if that were true then I would not have succeeded in creating the living machines that I have.
Professor Anderson has set a time, now lets see if he will honour his commitment.
Naaah, pondman... Your insistence of a conspiracy theory, your rejection of accepted physics (in particular spectroscopy), your assertion that valleys are filled with life because CO2 pools there whilst it's obviously because of water and soil ( mountain tops are rocky, dry and have the same CO2 as valleys), your rejection of the consensus that CO2 is now driving climate... All these things identify you as a crackpot. You did it to yourself!
Here we have a global political manipulation of science, that even now, in one of the coldest winters both in the UK but across the northern hemisphere and these idiots are going to attempt to introduce energy rationing.
It is both disgusting, cruel and callous and intended to assist the depopulation agenda whilst the elitists and their cohorts capitalise on the deployment of the biggest sooty footprint that is embodied in the military machine
CO2 has a molecular weight that is 1.47 times greater than all other atmospheric gases. This is why valleys are lush and verdant, whilst mountain tops barren.
The claim that CO2 remains in the atmosphere for 75 years is another myth and a claim made by the very same stable of deceivers.
Finally, given that there is no consensus (as was previously claimed), may I ask which presents the greater threat to people, warming or cooling?
@bernzeppi So why are mountain tops dry and the air rarified. Is it perhaps becasue the atmospheric gases, especially the heavier ones are drawn back to the surface of the earth (from whence they came).
Even the temperature gradient that cools as you climb, has to do with molecular circulation of heat which in turn is denser as lower altitudes.
Lets see if you can read... john-dalydotcom/artifactdothtm
4 Dec 10 - A Tesco superstore in Scunthorpe was full of shoppers when 30 square metres of the roof and front canopy collapsed last night under the weight of snow. Fortunately, the collapse happened at the farthest point from the entrance and no one was injured.
It seems as though the existing building regulations will need to increase the surface loading requirements for roofs.
Since you're a fellow Brit, then you will know that this is the earliest snow for 25 years and that the Vale of York - my own backyard - has just broken all temp records. The increases of abnormality in this supposedly normal world of yours is abnormal to say the least.
@TheElasticJesus And now you seek to claim that cooling is warming. Some have forecast that this winter will be one of the coldest for a thousand years, and this not just here. Do you want more cooling news from other places, they are plentiful and ongoing.
Even the increased seismic activity agrees with the physics of solar and cosmic fluxes, this is the real science, not the politically and financially driven lies of eugenicists and malthusians.
For someone with more intelligence than the average denier I'm surprised you said that. You know damn well that anomalies in pressure have a knock-on effect and areas that are normally cold will become warm and vice versa.
For some reason there is an increase in these anomalies. Global warming IS CAUSING climate change.
@TheElasticJesus First it is called global warming, then climate change (not denied by any that know even a rudimentary amount on the subject) and now anomalies!
What a pathetic bunch of liars you people have become. Your can destroys data, corrupts the peer review process and has proven itself incapable of providing any level of accuracy with its end of world predictions.
Through its system of global weather modification (now fully acknowledged by even the Royal Society) along with its cohorts within the military industrial complex, it now seeks to literally play god just as it has done over theatres of war in Vietnam and Cambodia.
Meanwhile millions if not billions of people across the northern hemisphere already find themselves struggling with the early stages of a bitter winter, one likely to be the coldest for a thousand years.
And now, you dupes or servants of a genocidal and callous agenda, come here seeking to ridicule those that know that CO2 has absolutely no influence of this earths climate whilst you puppet masters agents attend international meetings where they now invoke rationing of energy thus along with the manufactured economic crisis serves to ensure more will suffer or perish.
CO2 in its gaseous form, cannot absorb and hold energy or alter the frequencies of light (like glass!).
The most disgusting aspect of this, is the fact that entities like you, are prepared to come to this place to attempt to hold this lie up, knowing that it is a death sentence to so many.
You should be ashamed, but I expect it is beyond your capacity.
"The most disgusting aspect of this, is the fact that entities like you, are prepared to come to this place to attempt to hold this lie up, knowing that it is a death sentence to so many."
@bernzeppi Then you too must come to acknowledge that it is the ultimate intent of those that reside behind the agenda and lie of human induced climate change.
They do intend to cull our number and are progressing along that route as I write.
I am off to bed now, ut as I go, I will stop and look up to the "Chiling Stars"! Go look it up, that is real science.
@TheElasticJesus I did not say that people are changing the weather, but rather that certain entities engaged in geo-engineering (stratospheric aerosol spraying) are doing so to alter and modify weather patterns, create droughts and flooding. This much we see.
As for the amounts of CO2 being released, when compared to current volcanic activity (presently increasing in activity, the anthropogenic contribution is diddly squat.
You've tripped yourself up again. You admit that humans CAN modify weather but deny that humans can modify the climate. Bit parts make the whole.
As for volcanic activity, you are sitting out on Pluto with that one. Check the science. Fimmvorduhals (iceland) was producing about 20-25,000 tonnes of CO2 each day.
Human output is 26.9 giga-tonnes per year. That equates to 71 million tonnes per day.
"... certain entities engaged in geo-engineering (stratospheric aerosol spraying) are doing so to alter and modify weather patterns, create droughts and flooding..."
@bernzeppi I doubt you have learnt of the sub oceanic volcanic activity in the Arctic. Go look it up.
As for one location (Greece) being warmer and providing sufficient energy for THE ENTIRE northern hemisphere, some how I doubt it.
It is an interesting aspect of cooling, that as increasing amount od atmospheric water become trapped at the poles, conditions towards the equator alter. Mass balance applies.
@bernzeppi Within the science I work with, everything should be regarded a s a garden, indeed if the psuedo-sciences prevailing across the world right now could be turned to such a view, then we would not be allowing corporate and industrial processes that insult all forms of life to be permitted.
Of course your puppet masters that see the human as the problem would never admit to such a thing, regardless of this, it stands as an impenetrable truth.
A kick. A sponge from planet Ming. Or a septic fridge with piles???
This is how the real world works. Milk goes in pan. Pan is heated. Milk warms.
Similarly, atmospheric temp rises and...changes the composition of the atmosphere. Pressure rise, pressure drop, air flows into empty gaps that weren't there before but somehow manages to miss your head.
There is nothing of substance in your comment. Aside from ignoring the physical attributes of CO2 in that it cannot alter electromagnetic frequencies and furthermore that it is readily sequestered by the dominant greenhouse gas (water vapour).
Added to which, the amounts produced by human activity is dominated by the emissions of the military industrial complex.
The claim that atmospheric temperatures have been rising is also now proven to be a false claim.
@TheElasticJesus "This is how the real world works. Milk goes in pan. Pan is heated. Milk warms.
Similarly, atmospheric temp rises and...changes the composition of the atmosphere"
This comment reveals your own absence of knowledge as to the energy dynamics that manifest the formation of atmospheric layers. To simplify, why is it so cold up a mountain but warmer towards the boundary of the troposphere?
"First it is called global warming, then climate change (not denied by any that know even a rudimentary amount on the subject) and now anomalies!"
So that's what is causing it, semantics?
"Your can destroys data, corrupts the peer review process and has proven itself incapable of providing any level of accuracy with its end of world predictions."
Not really, just an expensive relocation program... and loss of produce.
Put plastic bag over head, experience the joys of CO2
As far as the atmo is concerned, measurements are only ever taken in the troposphere (lowest part)
Lifetime of atmospheric CO2 - info varies (anything from 5 to half-life of 75 years)
Okay, I see where you're going with this. Now answer me this. If you're right and we're wrong why aren't you talking to Kelvin McKenzie - to Murdoch. These people would LOVE to rub the IPCC's noses in it.
I am waiting for an interview with Professor Kevin Anderson as we excange these comments. They know who I am and still they will not contemplate a public debate on the fundamentals underlying this ridiculous hypothesis.
The reason for the scam is simple, they seek to depopulate the planet, what better way to do this is there than taxing the very breath and energy of the poor useless eaters.
Murdoch! McKenzie! what do they know? Servants of the serpent people I always thought.
@bernzeppi Do you deny the ongoing presence of malthusian advocates. Go listen to your friend William Gates whose advocacy of vaccines he hopes may achienve 15%. You'll find it on one of the TED talks.
Then there is the department of population control at the UN.
And now, these insane maniacs are suggesting that rationing should be introduced based on this psuedo-science.
Combined with the economic scams, they do indeed intend to cull.
Forget radiative forcing for one moment & consider medical fact.
5000ppm CO2 and we're in trouble.
Now, even if there is no exponential leap of CO2 in our lifetime, at the current rate of industrial production (esp now Texas Tom is considering dredging all the methane-hydrates from the GOM) there will come a time when the concentration of atmospheric CO2 is a danger to all metabolising lifeforms.
@TheElasticJesus Now you claim the capacity of we little creatures to elevate the levels by more than tenfold. A claim that negates the potential for CO2 sequestration through the only real greenhouse of ANY relevance.
Now perhaps you should go and challenge those with the biggest sooty footprint are curtailed in their emissions.
Check out the muck and poisonous crap spewing forth from the military industrial complex and ask them to lead by example.
At the very same time that China is building 3 new coal plants a week, with India sure to follow; and considering that a football pitch worth of rainforest is disappearing every minute - AND that the Ruskies are ripping down the Boreal like a swarm of Colorado beetle - I'd say that TENFOLD estimate of yours might sooner than you think.
@TheElasticJesus The rainforest is not under the threat claimed. But I agree it should be returned especially to those that have been its guardians for tens of thousands of years.
Unfortunately the very same vested interests are now selling huge tracts of it off for corporate offsetting. Yet another scam emerges.
If you want to watch a garden grow well, then add a little more CO2. At 400ppm there is not enough.
Now please point to the evidence that the northern hemisphere is warming NOW.
And both entities have been found red faced with their trousers around their ankles. No surprise since both are tied deeply into the military industrial complex, servants of the same insane ideologies that maintain this spinning deceitful game.
"I am waiting for an interview with Professor Kevin Anderson as we excange these comments. They know who I am and still they will not contemplate a public debate on the fundamentals underlying this ridiculous hypothesis."
I don't think the co2 is in a liquid form to me it is in GAS state and can clear see the cylinder! Are you trying to bring us depraved levels of deception, DEBUNKED!
@blackadderthe4 Within the cylinder feeding this scam. Want more confirmation as to how stupid this scam is, go lok up the molecular weight of CO2 and compare to all aother atmospheric gases, next look up its solubility in the dominant atmospheric temperature influencing gas (H2O).
The only depraved are those that wish to tax the building block of life. Depopulation agenda.
@bernzeppi I would respectfully suggest that you at least try to remain confined to sanities and readable dialogue. Anything else is like water from a ducks back and reveals your own inadequacies far more than mine.
@pondman27 I would respectfully suggest you recall science class in junior high school.
Steam is an invisible gas, the clouds that surround steam is water vapour droplets that diffract light therefore water vapour (a particulate, NOT steam) is visible.
The CO2 in the cylinder is an invisible GAS... its temperature has no bearing on its EM transmission
Does the sun dim on a cold day?
No.
You don't even know basic kid science, no wonder no-one wants to debate you.
@bernzeppi Your rhetoric presumes just a little too much and furthermore distorts what can be seen by a child. I doubt you know much more about the key differences between water vapour and how they become occluded into clouds. The process requires a shift in the dipole charge which in turn is due to particular energy frequencies.
The CO2 in the bottle is in liquid form and as it converts into gas, it takes energy from the air through which it moves. Thus the sham is exposed.
The brilliance of the sun on a cold day is equivalent to the same when you stand on a mountain top. The colder air has less capacity to hold moisture until it becomes condensed under thermal inversion giving us the all too familiar fog.
The influence of temperature is key to the layering of the atmosphere with each transition boundary having key densities and it is these that cause cloud layering that we see and each of which is key to the electromagnetic fluxes present.
This is why the deployment of metallic particulates into the upper layers of the troposphere is such a dangerous and stupid thing to do. They call it geo-engineering but in truth it is geo-genocide since the contents of these activities do and are impacting on flora and fauna especially easily observed at the surface of water.
The entire claim that a hundred or even two hundred milligrams of CO2 have the capacity to force a shift in surface temperatures is unproven and this video is rubbish.
@bernzeppi Perhaps you have not handled bottled gas. If you had, you would be forced to acknowledge that under the pressures it is contained as a liquid. The conversion of which into gas, takes energy from the air it comes into contact with.
The scam in this little propaganda piece is without merit and would fool no one familiar with the equipment involved.
@bernzeppi As I stated before, the interview with Anderson is set for this week. I will happily post the results. As for my own track record and scientific capabilities, whilst I will happily be regarded as a gardener, you should know that I am an ecological engineer with a number of projects having received national acclaim.
Whether you have the capacity to understand the science involved or not, the evidence of my own insights can be seen with some projects now approaching their second decade.
@pondman27 Nothing wrong with being a gardener... that's cool!
But there is a lot wrong with you piping up about the absorption characteristics of gasses when you know nothing about it.
In one foul swoop you have dissed metallurgy, all sorts of forensics, engineering, biology, in fact nearly every area of science now uses spectroscopy as a tool
and you claim
"CO2 in its gaseous form, cannot absorb and hold energy or alter the frequencies of light (like glass!)"
@bernzeppi You will find that as an ecological engineer, working extensively with natural treatment systems for sewage, agricultural and even some industrial waste streams, I am very well acquainted with gaseous exchange principles.
Show me an example of where CO2 has been demonstrated under laboraory conditions to retain heat or reflect infra red!.
Seriously these AlGor(e)ithms promulgated by the destroyers of the historic record are crimes and will not be tolerated.
Since Tndal (1861) there has been colossal amount of work done on CO2. Herzberg 1953, Burch 1962, Burch 1970, and on and on. To suggest that over a period of 140 years plans have been afoot (especially when the population of the planet didn't boom until the 60's ) to DEPOPULATE.
Why not just pretend an asteroid is on its way, hand out 7 billion suicide pills and call your scam Purple Haze?
I can't speak for others but I don't particularly like taxation. It's okay in a mixed economy, to make sure the rich don't keep all the morphine to themselves but...
Please...don't go down the left'/right road. This is two Brits and an Australian NOT Klondike Pete and Penelope Pitstop.
@TheElasticJesus If for one moment you seriously have not realised that this entire debacle is a political agenda, then, well you need to seriously adjust your reality glasses.
You are also quite correct, I will not go down the projected illusion of left or right, this is about where the truth resides and if simple folk like me can not only see the lies involved, but more importantly actually accurately predict the long term conditions we should expect then something is very wrong.
You are an enigma. Having just watched your video and your - I admit - beautiful work I cannot understand how you've come to the conclusion that right is wrong and wrong is right.
As others will testify, my main gripe is with the rainforest. You say the damage is exagerrated. Well I can safely say it isn't. From Cargil in PNG and now New Britain, to the decimation of the Congo and Amazon.
@TheElasticJesus Believe it or not, we are on the same team and thank you for your comments. The climate is changing, that much I do not dispute, but the reality is that it is getting much colder especially in places more vulnerable to cooling.
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These changes are due to the rhythms of our sun and cosmos.
As for the forests, you are right in that the multinational interests continue to devastate them.
Now take a good hard look at what it is that drives nations to behave in such an appalling way. When you do, bare in mind that most are now slaves to the IMF. An entity that demands natural resources to satisfy its demonic greed. When you understand what resides behind that, you will also find the advocates of human induced climate change. These entities are both parasite and predator upon all life.
@pondman27 "Are you seriously suggesting that you advocate actually taxing people..." Nah nah, don't change the subject... lets finish with spectroscopy first : "You suggest I am dissing spectroscopy, on the contrary " well, "CO2 in its gaseous form, cannot absorb and hold energy or alter the frequencies of light (like glass!)" IS dissing spectroscopy Now is the moment of truth, admit you have misstated what is happening in this video and reinstate some credibility or lose it altogether!
@bernzeppi Water heavier than air in its liquid form, but unlike CO2 it has the capacity to move through all four states of vapour, cloud, liquid and solid within the temperatures found at the surface and extent of lower atmosphere.
Radiative forcing! Only a fool would suggest that CO2 in its trace quantities could have such an effect.
Contrary to this, the albedo effect of clouds and its incidence now proven to be causally linked with energetic particles from the cosmos.
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"I can show how carbon dioxide affects climate with this experiment..." Insulting, contemptible dishonesty! The CO2 is indeed absorbing the infrared radiation, but no one but a crank disputes that CO2 absorbs infrared. I can show you that trains are a bad means of public transport by showing you experimentally what one does to a penny placed on the tracks. But no one who disputes the badness of trains would dream of doing so by disputing that they can squash pennies.
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Oh, by the way; if anyone was wondering, I've given up trying to talk to pondman - he is clearly delusional and will continue to ignore science over superstition and psudoscience. I have better things to do.
timaustin2000 1 year ago
@pondman; you attack me for talking drivel (which I am not) and then you come out with a statement like that?! Honestly?!!!? Christ on a bike.
timaustin2000 1 year ago
@timaustin2000 The evidence supporting my thoughts on this are gleaned from many and is being continuously supported by global events.
Are you ready and well prepared for the next icy episode?
Or are the events occurring across the northern and southern hemisphere mere anomalies happening at ever more frequent rates.
pondman27 1 year ago
Paleoclimatology shows very clearly that a positive heating phase creates far more damaging feedback and reactions than beneficial ones. More energy = more powerful storm systems, for example. By the way, water precipitates out of the atmosphere far far quicker than co2. Co2 can remain there for at least 100 - 300 years - water vapour barely manages months at beat
timaustin2000 1 year ago
@timaustin2000 I have no idea where that particular drivel came from, but the residensce time of water vapour within the atmosphere is far greater. But much more importantly, the idea that water within the atmosphere is purely from the earthly realm is both ignorant and ridicuous. As the sun continues its great sleep, so the entry into this little sphere of cosmic influences grows. And with that, the amount of water increases. this you will see as volcanic activity rises in the next months.
pondman27 1 year ago
Once again, you're using your head; you are quite correct on most of your points; it is about energy in the system. More energy = more instability when it comes to weather and feedbacks.
timaustin2000 1 year ago
So now we have agreed that rather than absorb infra red the gas reacts to it thus adding to the available energy for other processes. More especially the cooling ones. (Relevant right now I thin!) The formation of cloud nuclei are dependent on aerosol particulates or some other form of particle. Since the condensation of clouds water droplets absorbs surrounding gases and thus falls as acid rain.
Given that CO2 is a product of aerobic respiration and falls readily back to earth.
pondman27 1 year ago
And of course scepticism is implicit in science; hence my use of quotation marks to suggest a differentiation between true scepticism and the blind and wilful ignorance displayed oh-too-frequently by many.
timaustin2000 1 year ago
let's take the number below and have a bit of fun with maths; say that that O2 represents all air, convert it to Earth amounts; 5000,000,000,000 x 1000,000,000 = 5000,000,000,000,000,000,000 parts overall per cubic foot. So, 380 parts per million? Ah, its only 19,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules of CO2 per cubic foot - every one of which reacts with infra red radiation. Want me to multiply that by volume of atmosphere 3 miles high or have I made my f*cking point?!
timaustin2000 1 year ago
@timaustin2000 Now you must explain the claim of absorption of energy and reflection of infra red of said CO2. Using large numbers does not provide a physical characteristic unless that same can be proved within a laboratory.
Is there a temperature difference between the incoming CO2 and the surrounding air? If so then the same phenomena would occur as is shown. Only my opinion, but then compared to you clever people we seem to have managed to predict long term patterns!
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 the point is that the physical characteristics and behavior of co2 HAS been proven in laboratory conditions! Hell, the video above is an EXAMPLE of this! At high school, this was demonstrated live to me in the classroom! There is absolutely no question whatsoever about the physical properties of CO2. NO ONE, not even "sceptics", argue that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that reacts with infra red radiation. Where are you getting this from?!
timaustin2000 1 year ago
@timaustin2000 And where does the absorbed energy go! Is it not released immediately into the surrounding environment, thus into the rest of the living carbon. Not in the upper atmosphere, but close to earth where it is vital for life to sequester.
If you are going to refer to people as skeptics, you should remind yourself, just as Kevin Anderson does, that good science is persistently skeptical, especially when confronted by a political conspiracy.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 remarkably, for the first time in all of our discussions, you just made scientific sense! Yes, the absorbed and re-emitted energy DOES get spread throughout the atmosphere; mainly in the troposphere where concentrations of all gases are highest. It is essentially turned from radiated heat (infra red) into convected heat (through the movement of molecules as vibrating co2 collides with other gases). Whereas infra red travels in straight lines, convected heat spreads out.
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timaustin2000 1 year ago
@pondman27
"Even more preposterously that the 95% of so called greenhouse gases being water vapour have only a 60% effect. Water vapour though it is recognised is the dominant cooling influences through cloud formation and snow/ice known as the albedo effect!"
No, what is truly proposterous is that you somehow imagine that 100's of atmospheric scientists worldwide have not taken this into account. Simply put; Water vapor cannot force warming - this would break the 2nd law of Thermodynamics.
timaustin2000 1 year ago
@timaustin2000 100% of atmospheric scientists! Is that so?! What a disgrace you shills of this myth are. Now rather than debate or even discuss the amazing claims you make of the physical properties of the building block of life and negating the very substance that even now flows as the elixir of life within each of you.
Such a thing does not break the second laws of thermodynamics, since it is only by twisting such a thing as you would attempt.
pondman27 1 year ago
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@pondman27
"The given scenario being claimed as fact is, when dismantled truly and stunningly absurd."
And yet, you have yet to provide evidence of this,....
"What is claimed is that between 50 and a 100 cubic centimetres per cubic meter of CO2 will reflect infrared back to earth!"
By "claimed" you mean "directly measured and observed in real-time by a host of very expensive satellites and during laboratory experiments, such as the one above". How you get this mixed up, I have no idea.
timaustin2000 1 year ago
@pondman27 but if you would like another demonstration of how "trace" CO2 can have measurable effects, go here; watch?v=81FHVrXgzuA
timaustin2000 1 year ago
@pondman27 you're arguing that the greenhouse effect is not possible in a thread below a video which shows directly and irrefutably that it is! *facepalm* You seem completely ignorant of atmospheric science to an almost laughable degree.
timaustin2000 1 year ago
@timaustin2000 The given scenario being claimed as fact is, when dismantled truly and stunningly absurd. What is claimed is that between 50 and a 100 cubic centimetres per cubic meter of CO2 will reflect infrared back to earth!
Even more preposterously that the 95% of so called greenhouse gases being water vapour have only a 60% effect. Water vapour though it is recognised is the dominant cooling influences through cloud formation and snow/ice known as the albedo effect!
pondman27 1 year ago
@timaustin2000 How very curious you shills are... Now perhaps you would like to explain how it is. that I have indeed been able to predict weather over entire regions to such an extent as to show that regional climate has shifted into a cooler phase. We do not need your NOAA to establish such. All that we need do is watch weather events unfolding across the northern hemisphere and record the depths to which the temperature plummets.
It is harder to estimate the depths to which you will!
pondman27 1 year ago
@timaustin2000 I do not argue that the greenhouse effect is not possible. Instead that it is overwhelmingly an effect of the membranes of water that envelope this little sphere. It also is the element that cools. What I denounce is the absurd notion that a hundred parts per MILLION of CO2 could do the same.
None of your posts here, or this video have been honourable or demonstrated the proclaimed physics.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 you just don't get it; water vapour does not and can not stay in the atmosphere indefinitely; it will ALWAYS precipitate out as rain. Energy is needed to place more of it up there by evaporation. If we were to remove all CO2 from the atmosphere tomorrow it would only be a matter of time before all the water fell to Earth; as rain fell, less vapor would remain, cooling the earth meaning less energy in the system to put replacement water back up there. A spiral down.
timaustin2000 1 year ago
@pondman27 Without CO2 and methane up there to hold in enough heat to keep the cycle going it would collapse, leaving the planet totally void of all life. This is elementary atmospheric physics. Do you have any notion how many molecules of CO2 there are in the square inch front of your nose right now?
Thought not.
timaustin2000 1 year ago
@pondman27 here's an example; one of Saturn's moons, Rhia, has a tenuous atmosphere of CO2 and oxygen but the amounts are 5 TRILLION times smaller than those which exist on Earth. Even at this ridiculously thin level, there are 1 BILLION molecules of oxygen in a cubic foot of air on that planet. Think about it carefully and so the maths.
timaustin2000 1 year ago
@pondman; a God complex describes a sufferer of a delusion that he's certain must be correct, even when presented with irrefutable evidence to the contrary. The sufferer refuses to believe that he is fallable, instead inventing fallacies and conspiracy theories to explain why he is right and everyone else is mistaken. A sufferer does not have the critical ability to recognise this behavior. But please try.
timaustin2000 1 year ago
@timaustin2000
Attempts to denigrate character without addressing the substance presented, as has been pointed out to you people before, are the tactics of charlatans.
Oh & I am just as fallible as you, after all for years I trusted these self appointed demigods. But that was before I uncovered, along with others, their inherent levels of inhuman tendency.
Whether you realise it or not, you're aiding & abetting a group of individuals that by their own declaration are intent on culling humans
pondman27 1 year ago
BTW, the northern hemisphere includes the Mediterranean which is experiencing record high temperatures right now. This year alone about 20 record Hight temperatures have been recorded, but no record lows! So far it is the hottest year ever recorded globally... In january we find out if the cold snap demotes it to the third hottest year on record... It's been so hot so far, that is the lowest it can be degraded to... You have the memory of a goldfish!
bernzeppi 1 year ago
No pondman, the temperature of a gas has no bearing on the absorption Band of that gas. watch?v=sVev5RsKXog&feature=youtube_gdata_player
bernzeppi 1 year ago
No intellectual insight eh pond man? All this from a guy who thinks plants grow in valley because CO2 pools there and ignores the fact that water and soul pools there... Not forgetting you completely misunderstand what is being demonstrated here... Absorption bands in a gas. NOT the temp of a gas. You completely misunderstand high school science!
bernzeppi 1 year ago
How do we know it's us causing the Warming? watch?v=9S_82BUshM8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
bernzeppi 1 year ago
Hey Pooman, Dr Iain Stewart has been a PhD for 20 years and is a senior lecturer @ university of Plymouth. You however, Apart from misunderstanding the differences between gases are merely a methane man, a pooman, a gardener who is begrudging that professor Anderson won't debate you! See a pattern here?
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi Are you ok man? He sure did get you deep didn't he? Post a couple more times it will insure you get your point across.....
StrongArmZZ 1 year ago
@StrongArmZZ Sorry... I suppose I did get carried away.
It's just he completely missed the point of the video and starts pontificating his completely erroneous interpretation of physics.
Pretty much what most deniers are doing, they are so under-educated they can't even understand the basics.
Ignorance and arrogance go together.
Bill Maher does a better job than me
watch?v=0OwFSLm4pII
cheers
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi Bottled CO2 is liquid. Now if this little experiment was to have some merit, then the container of CO2 should have been at equilibrium with the receiving vessel.
Lets try this for size, do you DENY that the northern hemisphere is experiencing an extremely cold winter (record breaking)!??
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 You still don't get it do you? You don't know what an absorption line is. what an emission line is, how a black body radiates its spectrum... in this area you are a complete fucknuckle and you continue to be even worse that a complete fucknuckle by not checking up on what I am saying.
You have the education of a 10 year old and the arrogance of a 13 year old.
How did professor Anderson go?
It's pointless debating with such a dumb ass
watch?v=sVev5RsKXog&feature=yo utube_gdata_player
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi UNfortunately for you lot, he agreed with the vast majority of what I said, but was entirely stumped when it came to the impossibility of the basic physics involved.
And please try to refrain from hurling insult, It does not bother me in the slightest but serves to demean your states of mind.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 Please tell us what changes when you put CO2 in a bottle.
Here are CO2 density properties:
1.562 g/mL (solid at 1 atm and −78.5 °C)
0.770 g/mL (liquid at 56 atm and 20 °C)
1.977 g/L (gas at 1 atm and 0 °C)
849.6 g/L(supercritical fluid at 150 atm and 30 °C
What the heck does the container type have to do with whether it's a liquid?
robhoneycutt 1 year ago
@robhoneycutt
Liquid to gas!
What temperature would the gas leave the nozzle?
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 That would depend on the pressure and ambient temperature of the container.
robhoneycutt 1 year ago
@pondman27
Ooops. Looks like the charge of the Intellectual Brigade just arrived.
Have fun. Then again...
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
Now confirm the same for thermal conductivity.
Best of all, you need to provide a formulaic description for how the trace levels of CO2 variation of 300 to 400 = 100 ppm only some of which can be assigned to human activity can absorb! (a process that in the normal world requires mass) and reflect (a process that requires influence on the electromagnetic spectrum magnitudes higher than CO2) infra red back to the surface.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 I'm sorry but you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
robhoneycutt 1 year ago
@robhoneycutt Does that mean you are incapable of responding.
It is truly laughable.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 Responding to incoherence? Craft a rational question and I will respond.
robhoneycutt 1 year ago
@pondman27 Oh, and in reference to the cold winter in the NH...
That's called WINTER! It happens every year.
robhoneycutt 1 year ago
@robhoneycutt And its extent of coldness for the last week of Nov & 1st week of Dec has been quoted by Accuweather as equivalent to the Maunder minimum.
Either way, it destroys claims of warming. The incidence of extreme cold are no longer isolated anecdotal evidence, it is simply too widespread.
Now this was predicted many months ago. Do you want me to trawl back through the postings? If certain amongst you had any honour, you would acknowledge the same.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 Have you not noticed that on the other side of the planet they are starting to experience summer conditions?
In fact, November 2010 now holds the record as the warmest month globally in the instrumental record.
robhoneycutt 1 year ago
@pondman27 Excuse me. I stated that incorrectly. November 2010 is the warmest November in the instrumental record.
robhoneycutt 1 year ago
@bernzeppi Insults, no substance, no intellectual insight. Well I think that reveals the level of your own capacities in this matter. Misunderstandings in gasses! I don't think so, if that were true then I would not have succeeded in creating the living machines that I have.
Professor Anderson has set a time, now lets see if he will honour his commitment.
pondman27 1 year ago
I'm sure your experiences with methane were instructive pooman!
bernzeppi 1 year ago
Hey pond man, do you still eject spectroscopy and the principles by which it works?
bernzeppi 1 year ago
Furthermore Mr Poo, you're name dropping professor Anderson is a classic "I'm a loser" move. BTW, nice to see you're awake, I've been waiting
bernzeppi 1 year ago
Naaah, pondman... Your insistence of a conspiracy theory, your rejection of accepted physics (in particular spectroscopy), your assertion that valleys are filled with life because CO2 pools there whilst it's obviously because of water and soil ( mountain tops are rocky, dry and have the same CO2 as valleys), your rejection of the consensus that CO2 is now driving climate... All these things identify you as a crackpot. You did it to yourself!
bernzeppi 1 year ago
Goodnight pooman... may the fart be with you!
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi
ANd I do hope you recover from your rather pathetic tendency to infantile rhetoric.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 Not likely with disingenuous people like you around
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi I think readers coming here, will recognise quite easily where genuine comment is written and by whom.
As I say, I look forward to a time when rather than hurl insult, you too can learn rather than simply repeat the myths set down by a genocidal agenda.
pondman27 1 year ago
@bernzeppi Disingenuous! Now thats a laugh.
Here we have a global political manipulation of science, that even now, in one of the coldest winters both in the UK but across the northern hemisphere and these idiots are going to attempt to introduce energy rationing.
It is both disgusting, cruel and callous and intended to assist the depopulation agenda whilst the elitists and their cohorts capitalise on the deployment of the biggest sooty footprint that is embodied in the military machine
pondman27 1 year ago
CO2 has a molecular weight that is 1.47 times greater than all other atmospheric gases. This is why valleys are lush and verdant, whilst mountain tops barren.
The claim that CO2 remains in the atmosphere for 75 years is another myth and a claim made by the very same stable of deceivers.
Finally, given that there is no consensus (as was previously claimed), may I ask which presents the greater threat to people, warming or cooling?
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 A: Warming
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@pondman27 There is a consensus... you're just in denial
bernzeppi 1 year ago
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@pondman27 Complete rubbish... the valleys have more water!
Oh... and notice trillions of tons of water floating in the sky!
Some of it is coming down right now in the form of snow... some as rain... even some as hail!!... very heavy, very hard!
Ow!
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@pondman27 Mountain tops are barren because they are made of rock and are dry.
Valleys are lush because they are made of soil and water pools there.
You are an idiot!
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi So why are mountain tops dry and the air rarified. Is it perhaps becasue the atmospheric gases, especially the heavier ones are drawn back to the surface of the earth (from whence they came).
Even the temperature gradient that cools as you climb, has to do with molecular circulation of heat which in turn is denser as lower altitudes.
Lets see if you can read... john-dalydotcom/artifactdothtm
pondman27 1 year ago
Greetings deniers.
GW predicts extremes
in the last year alone, Hottest temps in
NY, LA (power grid went down), London, Russia, Greece, Finland, Sydney, Melbourne, Pakistan, Chad, Niger, Sudan, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Myanmar, Ukarine and more
Coldest temps in... well there were no cold records set in 2010
Record temps in Greece (low pressure) are sucking the Arctic conditions south to the EU leaving a warm hole in the arctic
record floods: Pakistan, Australia, China, England
xtreme enough?
bernzeppi 1 year ago
Predictably,
there is
1) a gardener (pondman)
and
2) a deluded PhD (JonThm who produces most of his theses right here on this particular you tube blog)
who are convinced that this demonstration is part of an evil conspiracy
They both wonder why no-one will listen
I love YT
bernzeppi 1 year ago
This just in. More evidence of warming in the UK
4 Dec 10 - A Tesco superstore in Scunthorpe was full of shoppers when 30 square metres of the roof and front canopy collapsed last night under the weight of snow. Fortunately, the collapse happened at the farthest point from the entrance and no one was injured.
It seems as though the existing building regulations will need to increase the surface loading requirements for roofs.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
Since you're a fellow Brit, then you will know that this is the earliest snow for 25 years and that the Vale of York - my own backyard - has just broken all temp records. The increases of abnormality in this supposedly normal world of yours is abnormal to say the least.
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@TheElasticJesus And now you seek to claim that cooling is warming. Some have forecast that this winter will be one of the coldest for a thousand years, and this not just here. Do you want more cooling news from other places, they are plentiful and ongoing.
Even the increased seismic activity agrees with the physics of solar and cosmic fluxes, this is the real science, not the politically and financially driven lies of eugenicists and malthusians.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
For someone with more intelligence than the average denier I'm surprised you said that. You know damn well that anomalies in pressure have a knock-on effect and areas that are normally cold will become warm and vice versa.
For some reason there is an increase in these anomalies. Global warming IS CAUSING climate change.
We say CO2.
You say NOT.
So tell us, what is causing these anomalies?
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@TheElasticJesus First it is called global warming, then climate change (not denied by any that know even a rudimentary amount on the subject) and now anomalies!
What a pathetic bunch of liars you people have become. Your can destroys data, corrupts the peer review process and has proven itself incapable of providing any level of accuracy with its end of world predictions.
pondman27 1 year ago
Through its system of global weather modification (now fully acknowledged by even the Royal Society) along with its cohorts within the military industrial complex, it now seeks to literally play god just as it has done over theatres of war in Vietnam and Cambodia.
Meanwhile millions if not billions of people across the northern hemisphere already find themselves struggling with the early stages of a bitter winter, one likely to be the coldest for a thousand years.
pondman27 1 year ago
And now, you dupes or servants of a genocidal and callous agenda, come here seeking to ridicule those that know that CO2 has absolutely no influence of this earths climate whilst you puppet masters agents attend international meetings where they now invoke rationing of energy thus along with the manufactured economic crisis serves to ensure more will suffer or perish.
pondman27 1 year ago
CO2 in its gaseous form, cannot absorb and hold energy or alter the frequencies of light (like glass!).
The most disgusting aspect of this, is the fact that entities like you, are prepared to come to this place to attempt to hold this lie up, knowing that it is a death sentence to so many.
You should be ashamed, but I expect it is beyond your capacity.
pondman27 1 year ago
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@pondman27 You idiot!
Of course CO2 alters the EM spectrum... all elements and compounds do!
That is the basis of spectroscopy... a whole scientific and industrial subject alone!
Faaark you are an ignorant dullard!
Hits from the bong!
bernzeppi 1 year ago
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@pondman27
"CO2 in its gaseous form, cannot absorb and hold energy or alter the frequencies of light (like glass!)."
need I say more?
You are an idiot
bernzeppi 1 year ago
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@pondman27
"The most disgusting aspect of this, is the fact that entities like you, are prepared to come to this place to attempt to hold this lie up, knowing that it is a death sentence to so many."
You really think that is my motivation?
You are a sick man
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi Then you too must come to acknowledge that it is the ultimate intent of those that reside behind the agenda and lie of human induced climate change.
They do intend to cull our number and are progressing along that route as I write.
I am off to bed now, ut as I go, I will stop and look up to the "Chiling Stars"! Go look it up, that is real science.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 hey pooman.. what about you dissing spectroscopy?
Babe in the woods
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@pondman27
Hold on, on one hand you're saying people are changing the weather, but 27 extra giga tonnes of anthropogenic CO2 per year doesn't do diddly squat.
I'll give you one thing - you're very consistent with your inconsistencies.
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@TheElasticJesus I did not say that people are changing the weather, but rather that certain entities engaged in geo-engineering (stratospheric aerosol spraying) are doing so to alter and modify weather patterns, create droughts and flooding. This much we see.
As for the amounts of CO2 being released, when compared to current volcanic activity (presently increasing in activity, the anthropogenic contribution is diddly squat.
Hopefully that is sufficiently clear for you.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
You've tripped yourself up again. You admit that humans CAN modify weather but deny that humans can modify the climate. Bit parts make the whole.
As for volcanic activity, you are sitting out on Pluto with that one. Check the science. Fimmvorduhals (iceland) was producing about 20-25,000 tonnes of CO2 each day.
Human output is 26.9 giga-tonnes per year. That equates to 71 million tonnes per day.
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@pondman27
In other words 71, 0000,000 / 25000 = 2840
Are there currently 2840 volcanoes spewing out 25,000 tonnes per day?
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
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@pondman27
"... certain entities engaged in geo-engineering (stratospheric aerosol spraying) are doing so to alter and modify weather patterns, create droughts and flooding..."
Hits from the bong!
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi
I didn't spam you.
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@TheElasticJesus
No you didn't.... I thought I saw something strange happen on my computer.
Apologies
Dunno what happened there.
I love your comments.
bernzeppi 1 year ago
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@pondman27 "... with the early stages of a bitter winter, one likely to be the coldest for a thousand years."
Well if the record hot spell in Greece keeps sucking the Arctic south (leaving a warm hole) it will be bitter winter.
Lets hope the ice don't melt causing the tractor current to stop, then it will get really cold in the EU
Then you'll really be in deep shit!
I know you'll be comfortable with that but the rest of us won't be... poo-man!
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi I doubt you have learnt of the sub oceanic volcanic activity in the Arctic. Go look it up.
As for one location (Greece) being warmer and providing sufficient energy for THE ENTIRE northern hemisphere, some how I doubt it.
It is an interesting aspect of cooling, that as increasing amount od atmospheric water become trapped at the poles, conditions towards the equator alter. Mass balance applies.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
Pondman!
You are a gardener with pretensions he can debate actual professors of science.
It is no mystery none will debate you
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi Within the science I work with, everything should be regarded a s a garden, indeed if the psuedo-sciences prevailing across the world right now could be turned to such a view, then we would not be allowing corporate and industrial processes that insult all forms of life to be permitted.
Of course your puppet masters that see the human as the problem would never admit to such a thing, regardless of this, it stands as an impenetrable truth.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
Okay I give in. Enlighten me. Troposphere heated from below, stratosphere from above. Troposphere more turbulent, Stratosphere less...
C'mon...give me a clue.
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@pondman27
Liar? The worm has turned.
Ditto. Cause and causality. Reaction and ...
What causes the football to move?
A kick. A sponge from planet Ming. Or a septic fridge with piles???
This is how the real world works. Milk goes in pan. Pan is heated. Milk warms.
Similarly, atmospheric temp rises and...changes the composition of the atmosphere. Pressure rise, pressure drop, air flows into empty gaps that weren't there before but somehow manages to miss your head.
SHAME
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@TheElasticJesus
There is nothing of substance in your comment. Aside from ignoring the physical attributes of CO2 in that it cannot alter electromagnetic frequencies and furthermore that it is readily sequestered by the dominant greenhouse gas (water vapour).
Added to which, the amounts produced by human activity is dominated by the emissions of the military industrial complex.
The claim that atmospheric temperatures have been rising is also now proven to be a false claim.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
You mentioned volcanoes, not I.
Don't bring up subjects if you're not willing to expand on them
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@TheElasticJesus "This is how the real world works. Milk goes in pan. Pan is heated. Milk warms.
Similarly, atmospheric temp rises and...changes the composition of the atmosphere"
This comment reveals your own absence of knowledge as to the energy dynamics that manifest the formation of atmospheric layers. To simplify, why is it so cold up a mountain but warmer towards the boundary of the troposphere?
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
Because the Easter Bunny had to wipe its nose.
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@pondman27
"First it is called global warming, then climate change (not denied by any that know even a rudimentary amount on the subject) and now anomalies!"
So that's what is causing it, semantics?
"Your can destroys data, corrupts the peer review process and has proven itself incapable of providing any level of accuracy with its end of world predictions."
Not really, just an expensive relocation program... and loss of produce.
Put plastic bag over head, experience the joys of CO2
bernzeppi 1 year ago
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@pondman27
"Even the increased seismic activity agrees with the physics of solar and cosmic fluxes, this is the real science"
Yessssss
Solar flux causes earthquakes.... fucking genius I tells ya!
Genius!
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@pondman27 More evidence of cooling in the mediterranean,
This just in 5Dec10,
Greece is experiencing record breaking temperatures.
Apparently the low pressure system is sucking arctic conditions down to the UK and EU.
Howzat pooman?
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@pondman27
TC = 0.0146 less than O + N
MW = 44 more than O + N
As far as the atmo is concerned, measurements are only ever taken in the troposphere (lowest part)
Lifetime of atmospheric CO2 - info varies (anything from 5 to half-life of 75 years)
Okay, I see where you're going with this. Now answer me this. If you're right and we're wrong why aren't you talking to Kelvin McKenzie - to Murdoch. These people would LOVE to rub the IPCC's noses in it.
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@TheElasticJesus
I am waiting for an interview with Professor Kevin Anderson as we excange these comments. They know who I am and still they will not contemplate a public debate on the fundamentals underlying this ridiculous hypothesis.
The reason for the scam is simple, they seek to depopulate the planet, what better way to do this is there than taxing the very breath and energy of the poor useless eaters.
Murdoch! McKenzie! what do they know? Servants of the serpent people I always thought.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 Oh sorry Mr Pondman.
Oh, ever so sorry... but on this one tiny point I must disagree:
"they seek to depopulate the planet, what better way to do this is there than taxing the very breath and energy of the poor useless eaters."
Everyone knows poor people fuck like rabbits... it would never work
It would be much easier to get them to put plastic bags over their heads.
You could tell them the CO2 buildup is good for plants and fishes, so it must be good for them.
Much better plan!
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi Do you deny the ongoing presence of malthusian advocates. Go listen to your friend William Gates whose advocacy of vaccines he hopes may achienve 15%. You'll find it on one of the TED talks.
Then there is the department of population control at the UN.
And now, these insane maniacs are suggesting that rationing should be introduced based on this psuedo-science.
Combined with the economic scams, they do indeed intend to cull.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 Don't worry the aliens will save us.
Not if you submit your theories to scientific scrutiny first.
Have ya tried the plastic bag over your head thing?
More CO2... more goodness
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@pondman27
Forget radiative forcing for one moment & consider medical fact.
5000ppm CO2 and we're in trouble.
Now, even if there is no exponential leap of CO2 in our lifetime, at the current rate of industrial production (esp now Texas Tom is considering dredging all the methane-hydrates from the GOM) there will come a time when the concentration of atmospheric CO2 is a danger to all metabolising lifeforms.
What happens then?
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@TheElasticJesus Now you claim the capacity of we little creatures to elevate the levels by more than tenfold. A claim that negates the potential for CO2 sequestration through the only real greenhouse of ANY relevance.
Now perhaps you should go and challenge those with the biggest sooty footprint are curtailed in their emissions.
Check out the muck and poisonous crap spewing forth from the military industrial complex and ask them to lead by example.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
At the very same time that China is building 3 new coal plants a week, with India sure to follow; and considering that a football pitch worth of rainforest is disappearing every minute - AND that the Ruskies are ripping down the Boreal like a swarm of Colorado beetle - I'd say that TENFOLD estimate of yours might sooner than you think.
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@TheElasticJesus The rainforest is not under the threat claimed. But I agree it should be returned especially to those that have been its guardians for tens of thousands of years.
Unfortunately the very same vested interests are now selling huge tracts of it off for corporate offsetting. Yet another scam emerges.
If you want to watch a garden grow well, then add a little more CO2. At 400ppm there is not enough.
Now please point to the evidence that the northern hemisphere is warming NOW.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
Verify NOT under the threat claimed.
NASA/GISS has all the info among others.
No doubt you prefer to get your info from Huntsville?
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@TheElasticJesus
And both entities have been found red faced with their trousers around their ankles. No surprise since both are tied deeply into the military industrial complex, servants of the same insane ideologies that maintain this spinning deceitful game.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
"I am waiting for an interview with Professor Kevin Anderson as we excange these comments. They know who I am and still they will not contemplate a public debate on the fundamentals underlying this ridiculous hypothesis."
Bwaaa ha ha ha ha haaar!
"They know who I am"
Fuck your funny
Still waiting?
They want you to fix their toilets, right?
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi The tell me Wednesday, would you like me to record and broadcast?
I am quite serious and can post the names of his immediate staff if you like.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 Abso fuckin'lutely!
Gardening program I presume?
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@pondman27 BTW, I can post you the names of Barak Obama's immediate staff... would you like them?
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@pondman27 "... advocacy of vaccines he hopes may achienve 15%. "
achienve 15% of what?
achnnffnein 15% fnnn poor fknnn people kill vaccinate fnnn useless mouths
fucknuckle
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi population reduction - go check it out. A TED talk earlier this very year.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
Have you solved the floating water dilemma yet?
Or how come the sun doesn't heat up the -273 degrees of freezing space?
Or why licking you hand proves how smart you are?
All worthy scientific puzzles
bernzeppi 1 year ago
Bunk. The liquified CO2 will be substantially cooler than the surrounding air.
Aunty Beeb the whore of those that have brought us such depraved levels of deception.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
I don't think the co2 is in a liquid form to me it is in GAS state and can clear see the cylinder! Are you trying to bring us depraved levels of deception, DEBUNKED!
blackadderthe4 1 year ago
@blackadderthe4 Within the cylinder feeding this scam. Want more confirmation as to how stupid this scam is, go lok up the molecular weight of CO2 and compare to all aother atmospheric gases, next look up its solubility in the dominant atmospheric temperature influencing gas (H2O).
The only depraved are those that wish to tax the building block of life. Depopulation agenda.
pondman27 1 year ago
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@pondman27
'The only depraved are those that wish to tax the building block of life. Depopulation agenda' sounds like your standard conspiracy theory!
blackadderthe4 1 year ago
@pondman27 CO2.... the building block of life
heh heh heh
blockhead!
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi Garbled insults emitted from ignorant dupes with nothing but ugliness to offer.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 Garblled fnnnghh ugly fckn noofmn!
Keep licking your hand... there's got to be more bug powder in there
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi I would respectfully suggest that you at least try to remain confined to sanities and readable dialogue. Anything else is like water from a ducks back and reveals your own inadequacies far more than mine.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 I would respectfully suggest you recall science class in junior high school.
Steam is an invisible gas, the clouds that surround steam is water vapour droplets that diffract light therefore water vapour (a particulate, NOT steam) is visible.
The CO2 in the cylinder is an invisible GAS... its temperature has no bearing on its EM transmission
Does the sun dim on a cold day?
No.
You don't even know basic kid science, no wonder no-one wants to debate you.
It's like talking to a plant
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi Your rhetoric presumes just a little too much and furthermore distorts what can be seen by a child. I doubt you know much more about the key differences between water vapour and how they become occluded into clouds. The process requires a shift in the dipole charge which in turn is due to particular energy frequencies.
The CO2 in the bottle is in liquid form and as it converts into gas, it takes energy from the air through which it moves. Thus the sham is exposed.
pondman27 1 year ago
The brilliance of the sun on a cold day is equivalent to the same when you stand on a mountain top. The colder air has less capacity to hold moisture until it becomes condensed under thermal inversion giving us the all too familiar fog.
The influence of temperature is key to the layering of the atmosphere with each transition boundary having key densities and it is these that cause cloud layering that we see and each of which is key to the electromagnetic fluxes present.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
You are mixing up particulates with gasses.
This exposes your blind spot.. you don't know the difference.
You obviously didn't pay attention in science class when this was taught to you, thus you still see things as a child.
The temp of the CO2 gas has NO bearing on its EM transmission properties.
This doesn't seem to be getting though your thick, lead lined skull.
Stop dribbling kidshit!
Please revisit spectral transmission of gasses
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@pondman27 The only thing exposed is your ignorance!
You can't change the laws of physics no matter how many hands or mushrooms or whatever it is you are licking!
Get back to the bong!
bernzeppi 1 year ago
This is why the deployment of metallic particulates into the upper layers of the troposphere is such a dangerous and stupid thing to do. They call it geo-engineering but in truth it is geo-genocide since the contents of these activities do and are impacting on flora and fauna especially easily observed at the surface of water.
The entire claim that a hundred or even two hundred milligrams of CO2 have the capacity to force a shift in surface temperatures is unproven and this video is rubbish.
pondman27 1 year ago
@bernzeppi Perhaps you have not handled bottled gas. If you had, you would be forced to acknowledge that under the pressures it is contained as a liquid. The conversion of which into gas, takes energy from the air it comes into contact with.
The scam in this little propaganda piece is without merit and would fool no one familiar with the equipment involved.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
Of course I've handled bottled gas
I paid attention in science class
you are using aversion tactics to try to cover you lack of knowledge re transmission through gasses.
This is why Professor Anderson won't debate you, you don't have the foundational knowledge to properly engage the discussion.
-temperature of gasses don't effect its EM transmission.
If we were looking at that in the cylinder, we would see hot air with a cloud of cool gas entering... we don't
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@pondman27
BTW- how did the interview go with professor Anderson?
Did he think he was talking to a plant?
Did your 28 half (wit) cycles impress him?
Is 'Ask Wednesday' some sort of loony tune mock science program?
I've always wanted to do one of those.
If I get the chance, I'll give you a call... should be a hoot!
Love your 'professor' voice
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi As I stated before, the interview with Anderson is set for this week. I will happily post the results. As for my own track record and scientific capabilities, whilst I will happily be regarded as a gardener, you should know that I am an ecological engineer with a number of projects having received national acclaim.
Whether you have the capacity to understand the science involved or not, the evidence of my own insights can be seen with some projects now approaching their second decade.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 Nothing wrong with being a gardener... that's cool!
But there is a lot wrong with you piping up about the absorption characteristics of gasses when you know nothing about it.
In one foul swoop you have dissed metallurgy, all sorts of forensics, engineering, biology, in fact nearly every area of science now uses spectroscopy as a tool
and you claim
"CO2 in its gaseous form, cannot absorb and hold energy or alter the frequencies of light (like glass!)"
That's so ignorant!
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi You will find that as an ecological engineer, working extensively with natural treatment systems for sewage, agricultural and even some industrial waste streams, I am very well acquainted with gaseous exchange principles.
Show me an example of where CO2 has been demonstrated under laboraory conditions to retain heat or reflect infra red!.
Seriously these AlGor(e)ithms promulgated by the destroyers of the historic record are crimes and will not be tolerated.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
But there you again with the conspiracy stuff
Since Tndal (1861) there has been colossal amount of work done on CO2. Herzberg 1953, Burch 1962, Burch 1970, and on and on. To suggest that over a period of 140 years plans have been afoot (especially when the population of the planet didn't boom until the 60's ) to DEPOPULATE.
Why not just pretend an asteroid is on its way, hand out 7 billion suicide pills and call your scam Purple Haze?
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
You suggest I am dissing spectroscopy, on the contrary I do not. What I denounce is the deliberate distortion of science to serve a political agenda.
Are you seriously suggesting that you advocate actually taxing people on the basis of this claim!
If so you have lost your humanity
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
GAWD!
Back to politics.
I can't speak for others but I don't particularly like taxation. It's okay in a mixed economy, to make sure the rich don't keep all the morphine to themselves but...
Please...don't go down the left'/right road. This is two Brits and an Australian NOT Klondike Pete and Penelope Pitstop.
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@TheElasticJesus If for one moment you seriously have not realised that this entire debacle is a political agenda, then, well you need to seriously adjust your reality glasses.
You are also quite correct, I will not go down the projected illusion of left or right, this is about where the truth resides and if simple folk like me can not only see the lies involved, but more importantly actually accurately predict the long term conditions we should expect then something is very wrong.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27
You are an enigma. Having just watched your video and your - I admit - beautiful work I cannot understand how you've come to the conclusion that right is wrong and wrong is right.
As others will testify, my main gripe is with the rainforest. You say the damage is exagerrated. Well I can safely say it isn't. From Cargil in PNG and now New Britain, to the decimation of the Congo and Amazon.
You are on the wrong team. Wake up.
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@TheElasticJesus Believe it or not, we are on the same team and thank you for your comments. The climate is changing, that much I do not dispute, but the reality is that it is getting much colder especially in places more vulnerable to cooling.
watch?v=VthifJ-ecIE
These changes are due to the rhythms of our sun and cosmos.
As for the forests, you are right in that the multinational interests continue to devastate them.
pondman27 1 year ago
Now take a good hard look at what it is that drives nations to behave in such an appalling way. When you do, bare in mind that most are now slaves to the IMF. An entity that demands natural resources to satisfy its demonic greed. When you understand what resides behind that, you will also find the advocates of human induced climate change. These entities are both parasite and predator upon all life.
I hope that has removed the apparent enigma
pondman27 1 year ago
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bernzeppi 1 year ago
@pondman27
"you should know that I am an ecological engineer with a number of projects having received national acclaim"
Very good to hear
I'm doing an doco on this soon, you could be talent except for the fact you have stretched way beyond what you know.
Who has fooled you?
What a waste
You know not atomic science, quantum physics (basis of spectroscopy) or even general physics.
In ecology you may be a master, I give respect!
But on these other subjects you are a babe in the woods
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@pondman27
beauty is in the eye of the beholder
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@pondman27 Hey ponderosa
I notice in your video that water is heavier than air!
It's just lyin' on the ground
Fuck you've nailed it
looking up the molecular weight of water... it's freaking heavier that air!
Fuck those cloudthings in the sky... they have millions of tons of freaking water in them!
Must be those self appointed demi gods with their flying machines making the water defy their god given molecular weights.
Next thing it'll be snowing when we know the globes warming
What next???
bernzeppi 1 year ago
@bernzeppi
LOL. You're on form tonight, Bernie boy.
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
@bernzeppi Water heavier than air in its liquid form, but unlike CO2 it has the capacity to move through all four states of vapour, cloud, liquid and solid within the temperatures found at the surface and extent of lower atmosphere.
Radiative forcing! Only a fool would suggest that CO2 in its trace quantities could have such an effect.
Contrary to this, the albedo effect of clouds and its incidence now proven to be causally linked with energetic particles from the cosmos.
pondman27 1 year ago
@blackadderthe4 Look carefully to the right of the experiment, there you will clearly see a gas bottle containing liquid CO2.
There are none so dumb as those that will not see.
pondman27 1 year ago