TPMtv: Sunday Show Roundup: The Sweet Smell of Success?

[Yourdeadmeat69]

Do you know how many Generals and Admirals quit or lost their jobs, careers ruined because they said we had inadequate troops, or should never have disbanded the Iraqi "Guard"? RUMSFELD destroyed them. We don't know WHAT to believe. Rebuild the Iraqi guard and get the hell out and let them have their civil war.

[howlinmadmurphy7]

You don't see Ron Paul telling bullshit lies like McCain and Graham. If they are right then why would Ron Paul have more contributions from the soldiers than all the other candidates? It is because they are saying "Bring us home!" not "Let us win."

Vote for Ron Paul!!

[HiveRadical]

I wish they'd give a time and date stamp to every piece while they were compiling all these montages. I find them informative but knowing the exact context of when they were said would be useful for those of us, like myself, that can't watch all the news channels simultaneously.

For example, does anyone know when the Allawi interview was given?

[YouTubReptilian]

People open you eyes. Republicans and Democrats are working closely and pursue the same agendas. They are trying to keep us in the illusion of separation of parties. We the people can for the first time take our government back. We the people are now choosing to restore Constitutional Law, to make the public aware that the IRS is an illegal organization, and to get our Habeas Corpus back. I control my own world. VOTE Ron Paul 2008.

[chewbaca1989]

Your points do have bases in fact. IRS=NAFTA=CFR=NWO=U_R_SLAVE=Bi­lderberg=U-R_Slave

All candidates with the exception of two are members of CFR. Who are those two? I can tell you on is THE CHAMPION OF THE CONSTITUTION.

[TAMARLANE]

Murtha served from an armchair most of his career and at the end betrayed his fellow marines by calling them cold blooded murderers. Never apologized after they were acquited of Murtha's charges.

Webb is the least offensive of the three, but

[laleeloolelo]

"Murtha served from an armchair most of his career and at the end betrayed his fellow marines by calling them cold blooded murderers".

Well so would anyone who is appalled at what happened in Haditha.

"Never apologized after they were acquited of Murtha's charges".

The way i remember it one is acquitted but the other struck a deal and the rest are still in court.

[Ralphdraw3]

Is telling the truth, betrayal???

[TAMARLANE]

Telling a lie that gives the enemy hope is betrayal.

[laleeloolelo]

So where's the lie then hmm?

Because Haditha ACTUALLY happened and those civilians are ACTUALLY massacred.

[TAMARLANE]

Where is the lie? I don't think you could recognize one if you stepped on it.

Murtha said "these marines killed these people in cold blood". It was a lie.

[laleeloolelo]

"Murtha said "these marines killed these people in cold blood". It was a lie".

Which part of that statement is a lie?

Were those not marines who killed those civilians in cold blood?

For an "Islamic" you sure are very defensive of US military crime in Iraq.

[TAMARLANE]

The 11th commandment in Islam is no backbiting.

Obviously you are not Islamic.

I guess you don't know the difference between "in cold blood", and the other variations of killing someone during a firefight in war.

[laleeloolelo]

Firefight?

The victims of Haditha are old people and children IN THE HOUSE! Those aren't victims of stray bullets!

So yes i do know the difference between "in cold blood" and other "variations" of death in firefights.

[speedyshipper]

Ron Paul will sweep all of these bastards out. RP is the only hope brothers...Do not let this war continue. Shut'em down.

Check out the Ron Paul Blimp. Almost paid for today! Amazing!

[ShiekYerbooty]

If this is such a great war, why do more enlisted men and women donate money to Ron Paul than any other candidate? He is the only candidate promising to bring them home ASAP!

[demliars]

Oh, now we have a new bar to jump over. We are winning so the media has to jump in and bail the dem's after thier total investment in defeat.

[Ralphdraw3]

You volunteer, Chickenhawk:

here's the phone number -

1-800-USA-ARMY

[demliars]

Chickenshit, I don't have to it's a volunteer Army. Or are they just supposed to just shut up and go on hikes and get college money? I guess so since you scumbags don't even want to count their votes.

[laleeloolelo]

"Chickenshit, I don't have to it's a volunteer Army".

So why don't you volunteer if you support the Iraq war so much hmm?

Or perhaps the only war you have the guts fighting is the one on XBOX live?

Oh Master Chief where are you?

[Secretservicedentist]

Oh, he and I might get our chances if troop levels keep dipping and Bush reinstates the draft. Hopefully, if that happens, everyone will start to really, really hate the war and get us out.

[Carlitos1010]

Well said.

It's easy to support a War but a lot harder to pick up a weapon and kill another human being, another reflexion of you in this reality (we are all just reflexions of each other).

[blair227]

Bush's term isn't over yet. If the Mcclellen book sticks to him, his and cheneys goose is ccoked.

[Ralphdraw3]

You voluneer:

1-800-USA-ARMY

[Ralphdraw3]

Joe Lieberman has a NARRATIVE OF WARFARE AND OCCUPATION....

[mikegj1077]

OK Mr. anti-Jew. What is this plan of OCCUPATION you think Lieberman is behind? I'm against occupation too. I'd rather bomb the fuckers. You know, those people who killed 5000 Americans since 1992.

[Ralphdraw3]

OK Mr. anti-Moslem, pro-war, pro-destruction and pro-death.

You're a terrorist just as much as the 9-11 hijackers.

[demliars]

No, chickenshit Ralph, you are a anti-American scumbag. The muslims are pro-death and you're on their side.  The light of truth is being shone on you low lifes, why don't you move to the middle east? See how far your complaints of whatever go there.

[Ralphdraw3]

Bush is scumbag

Cheney is scumbag

Rove is a scumbag

Rumsfeld is a scumbag

Wolfowitz is a scumbag

a bunch of cowards and criminals..

[Ralphdraw3]

Mr. Tough Guy Marine,

How many civiians have you killed?? Any Vietnamese by any chance?

Have you tortured anyone?? violated the GEneva convention???

Do tell all!!

[Ralphdraw3]

ARe the numbers phony??? Are they really "counting" all the casualties? There was just a bombing in Baghdad....

Can civilians travel outside the Green Zone???

[mikegj1077]

Green zone? How would you color 911 in New York?

[Ralphdraw3]

How many of the 19 9-11 hijackers were Iraqis??? man are you stupid..

[demliars]

We're at war with muslims, stupid.

[demliars]

Yes, Ralph, sucks for you but there is good news in Iraq.

[Ralphdraw3]

The Iraqis hate us - Bush has screwed up their country something awful.

BTW: Bush and Cheney and Rice and Rumsfeld are all liars... they should be impeached and tried for war crimes and torture.

[microspect]

it's so sad to hear these people talk. We need to just come home from Irak.

[mikegj1077]

How would coming home make people more civil? Take a stand. When America was a frontier nation, civility was cast aside while real men fought for truth, justice and the American way (err, or was that Superman?). OK, stand up to people who threaten or offend your sensibilities. Join the NRA, encourage your offspring to join the military or at least talk back to politicians. You can do it....

[demliars]

Why? You can't even spell Iraq what the hell would you know? Why are you idiots so bold in your bullshit? You're funny and stupid and wrong. Pay attention and get a life.

[fpm229]

These republican neocon bastards are sickening. Especially that smug asshole Lindsay Graham. If the surge is working, why wasn't it done 5 years ago? This is bullshit. Why did these republican assholes allow this felonious war to be dragged on for so long?

[mikegj1077]

"Asshole, felonious, neocon bastards, sickening..." I think you wimpy bastard should join the Marines. You're tough talk.  Help defend us from the "asshole, felonious sickening bastards who murdered 3000 Americans on 911. Got balls?

[putittogether]

You do not get it girls. We will be there for a very long time 25-50 years. We are constructing the some the largest military bases on the planet their. We need to secure that oil period. Do you think we are going to let Russia or China just march in there secure it for themselves? Get a grip ladies.

[ocserfal]

Bush is turning into Jed Bartlet. He's realised that history will see him as the dolt who cost the US over 4,000 lives in Iraq. He wants to be seen in the future as Bush the Peacemaker. If he can leave a stable democracy in Iraq and solve the Palestinian problem, he won't be wrong.

[freff]

Wow, it's tough listening to McCain parrot Bushisms almost word for word. The man has sold out in an attempt to step into Bush's seat so hard, it's sad. He was one of the few in Washington that I used to have some respect for, but now I can't even be mad at his ridiculous "soundbite" logic on Iraq. I just want him to go away.

Oh, and Trent Lott is a tool.

[proximity2008]

Ron Paul 2008

[Scott3843]

Lindsey Graham is a fool.

[j0hnwi11iams]

Why the fuck would a conservative hang the truth on the behavior of the democrats? They want to frame the 08 election around Bush's neck.

[blair227]

And you just saw them all talking about how wonderful the surge was didn't you? What the hell is liberal about that? For six fucking years the media did nothing but whore for Bush and this ignorant quagmire and you knowit. The only guy on this video that made any sense at all was Andrew Sullivan and last I heard still called himself a conservative.

[blair227]

Too bad asses like you will be to old to serve. You wouldn't be quite as hawklike if you'd ever been in a war. No vet I know likes to see other soldiers in harms way. Be they Repug of Dem.

[TAMARLANE]

True I have already served. My son now serves.I know many current active duty marines and sailors here in San Diego and they are proud to be in harm's way in defense of their country. No one likes being in harm's way, of course, I will give you credit for your perspicacity there.

[selfTrust]

Umm, the discussion should not be whether or not the surge is working. It should be about this war being ILLEGAL! Helloooo, anybody home?

Only one candidate wants to end this illegal occupation immediately. I need not say his name. ;-)

[burryp]

Thank heaven somebody will point out the obvious (the illegal invasion)...nobody's gonna do it on the Sunday talk shows of course! OH and BTW, Kucinich isn't the only one calling for an immediate end to the occupation!;-)

[ConiptionFits]

Spurge, surge, listen, we're all adults here, it doesn't matter what you call it. The story is until "it" started, the Shiite Militia in Baghdad were slaughtering hundreds of Sunnis a month, and taking over

their neighborhoods, all with the complicity of the central Shiite government and national army. Sunni civilians are now armed and protected by General Petraeus, the massacres have stopped, and the General has effectively split Iraq in three, imposing a truce on the Civil War.

[laleeloolelo]

Great!

Soo ... When can the troops get home?

[blair227]

Lets see how many of them vote republican this time Ytd. Bring back the draft and there won't be another quagmire like we have now. We would have had enough troops going in.

[TAMARLANE]

Vietnam eh. Probably true. We had the draft then. The only libs who serve are those who were drafted to serve.

[MojoJuana]

lindsey graham looks just like a televangelist...and just as full of shit, too!

[CitizenBrain]

civilian deaths are down because there aren't any left, we killed them all!

[laleeloolelo]

It's a good thing Petraeus isn't a police chief in LA then.

[annarboriter]

After George Will quoted Liebermann, he sold off his last shred of intellectual honesty.

[TAMARLANE]

After we won World War II, how quickly did the troops come home from Japan, from Germany, from Italy?

I can't remember, but seems like we were there for years after V-day, and after VJ day. Come to think of it, we are still there, 72 years later.

[CitizenBrain]

and you just accept that because it happened in the past? you're not allowed to CHANGE policy? this isn't like WWII, these people DONT WANT US THERE.

[TAMARLANE]

You think the Japanese wanted us THERE?

It took a while to effect changes that were beneficial for both Japan and the United States.

In fact, for the rest of the world.

[blair227]

Actually the Japs took to MacArthur and his FDR type new deal. He allowed trade unions to organize and gave women the right to vote and held free and fair elections.Near as I remember my College History of Japan, the good general to this day is considered a hero.

[CitizenBrain]

regardless i don't remember suicide bombers after the war was over.

[TAMARLANE]

Some Japanese fought on for 20 years after the end of the war. Many suicide missions were carried out by Japanese soldiers.

[Ralphdraw3]

Forget that talking point about Japan:

JAPAN ATTACKED US DEC. 7 1941

IRAQ DID NOT ATTACK US...............

[CitizenBrain]

damn Ralph, i'm a little boozed up so i couldn't make a good enough argument. i'm falling right into their trap, the booze trap to keep us dumb and reliant.

[mfyyre]

Lindsey Graham could stand to read up on what is required for a long term Counter Insurgency =|

[guerone]

I agree, send Lindsey Graham and John McCain back over there with NO security detail. Just give them a flack jacket and a handgun, and tell them to go buy some $1 Rugs.

The only 2 people making sense in that whole clip are Ayad Allawi and Andrew Sullivan. Sullivans last comments are getting at the core of the problem: Oil Empire

[putittogether]

You do not get it girls. We will be there for a very long time 25-50 years.  We are constructing the some the largest military bases on the planet. We need to secure that oil period. You think we are going to let Russia or China just march in there in take it? Get a grip ladies.

[johnnyk67]

Thanks much, putittogether!

Well said.

[SatwaMan]

Military crackdowns are not a measure of success.

When the journalists can travel outside the green zone to report on what is going on there then it can be called a success.

If it is a success, then send John McCain back -- without the flak jacket and without the hundreds of security forces to save his dumb ass.

[blair227]

Not just McCain send all the Neocon asses over there with George Will and William the bloody Krystol and Lindsay Graham walking point.

[ConiptionFits]

It's not a military crackdown. That's the beauty of the Petraeus strategy--it's a cutting up of the Iraqi pie among the three principal tribes--Sunni, Shiite and Kurd!! Up until now, everyone had wrongly branded the Sunnis as the enemy. In these last 6 months, since he put his surge into place, Petraeus has merely given the Sunnis the wherewithal to step up to the table and take what's theirs.

[blair227]

He's basically doing what Joe Biden advocaated 4 or was it 5 years ago.

[Nutricidal]

British left Basra and violence is down 90%. So much for their argument.

[TAMARLANE]

Which came first? Violence down? Or Brits leaving?

[laleeloolelo]

Brits leaving.

[TAMARLANE]

I'm done with this topic on this site.

Punch in Haditha Marines on google and read up.

It serves your agenda, whatever that is, to keep this Haditha murder myth alive. Well, good on you, I guess.

[laleeloolelo]

Hey i thought the topic of your question to Nutricidal comment was which came first. Violence down in Basra or Brits leaving not about Haditha.

Can you please stay on topic?

[blair227]

And the Repugs talk about liberal media bias.The so called liberal media has been dead for awhile.

[PreetSG]

Andrew Sullivan stole the show in the entire clip...

[ConiptionFits]

Here's the story. General Petraeus, the Hero of Iraq, had the genius to arm the Sunnis so they could defend themselves against the marauding Iranian backed Shiite Militias, who were trying to hand Iraq over to the Ayatollas in Iran. Thanks to Petraeus' brilliance, the Sunnis are holding their own neighborhoods in Baghdad as well as their historic lands in the rest of the country from encroaching Shiite despotism.

[kuriostone]

And if they ethnically cleanse a few neighborhoods or regions while they're at it... well fuck 'em, none of them are getting into heaven anyway!

That whole ends-justify-the-means argument is how we got Saddam in the first place. It's also how we got Bin Laden, come to think of it.

[intarwebzz]

weird, i agree with andrew sullivan. what's up with that?

[voiyour]

I really detest Mccain trotting out a cherry-picked statement by 'some' troops - "let us continue our mission" - as if that's the view of the whole military.

The military (of which I was a member for 11 year) is not some monolithic likeminded group. Their views are as diverse as the US population's in general. And you can bet plenty have given Mccain opposite reports. But he'll never mention those. Very deceptive!

[DevBlazed]

apparently sarcasm doesnt travel well in TEXT...

but i have been pissed off since March 13, 2003 when the bombing started in Iraq. That is 4 years and 8 months that we have been commiting murder on innocent people who are just as pissed off at the Neo-Cons as i am.

RIP USA

[intarwebzz]

USA ain't dead. We are it. Screw the 'cons.

[exweez]

apparently histerical screeching does

[DevBlazed]

I got a better idea, we just randomly start telling China how to handle their government.

[DevBlazed]

im not against war, we need MORE war, more more!

Lets bomb Iran, they are just sitting there.

[DevBlazed]

Well apparently there should be another 9/11, otherwise the people feel way too comfortable with the status quo.

You Americans are weak ass bitch babies.

[SLAVEforLISA]

The political progress is tied to privatization of the oil industry. The Iraqi people will never approve of that. So why won't the administration admit that and change course now?

[RemiG2006]

lmao

:D

[jsfumato]

Nuthtin like a good old fashion ethnic cleansing......Why is Allawi in Jordan?...... Great ...! All is quiet on the western front now lets get the fuck OUT!!

[Drstrangelove17]

maybe the violence in iraq is going down because the population has decreased. there's probably nobody left to kill, unfortunately. we don't even know how many casualties there are total. How are we getting these "decreasing" numbers? What's the source?

[hypnofan35]

Give the leaders some field weapons and then let them go in there and "make some progress"! Best not let them out until they are fairly well progressed. That would work. That would be progress. Starting with Lindsay Graham. Then the rest of the Republican candidates. Not forgetting Bush and Cheney. I bet Colin Powell could could absorb a pretty good IED. Next time they commit a false flag accident they could be at ground zero.

[Randomambusher]

Lindsay Ghraham is a f-ing moron. He says one thing after another that are demonstrably false. Best counter insurgency ever? Better than the Romans? Better than Vlad Tepez's counter-insurgency? BETTER THAN THE RUSSIANS HOLDING THEIR SOVIET EMPIRE TOGETHER FOR 50 YEARS? Wow - Also I love how McCain puts words in the soldiers' mouths despite things I've heard from American servicemen and articles like "The War as We Saw It"

[foley15136]

I'm certainly glad deaths are down But when do we get to come home?

[thereallurker]

Of course Democrats want a win in Iraq. If it wasn't for the Democrats putting pressure on the Republicans during this last election, we wouldn't have had this small success.

Republicans would like re-envision history and have us not think about their war in Iraq as one based on lies, war profits and on the backs of regular American men and women. You won't see Mitt Romney's or George Bush's kids fighting out there.

[foley15136]

Excellent point. And I have news for the disillusioned people who keep buying the bulls**t that Bush, Rush and the rest are feeding them; The are Democrats fighting and dying in Iraq too.

[TAMARLANE]

Not many libs in the military dude. Libs don't do combat.

Bwahahahahahahaha

[blair227]

Bet there are more veterans who are democrats holding office than Repugs. In Vietnam, when we had a draft at least the great majority I served with were democrats. Need to do some fact checking on this one friend.

[foley15136]

WRONG! On both counts.

[TAMARLANE]

Cryptic.

Wrong on both counts?

Care to elaborate?

Are you taking exception to the fact that I know many marines and sailors here in San Diego?

Are you suggesting that my son did not graduate from USNA in 1992?

Do you doubt that I served in the Navy during the Korean war?

[foley15136]

Who taking exception to anyone's service?

Just because you know some Marines and Sailors doesn't mean they are not many liberals/Democrats in the service. And that they "don't do combat".

Why would I doubt that you served during Korea or your son's commission? Why the hell are you bringing that up? It has nothing to do with my reply.

[TAMARLANE]

Your reply went something like "wrong, on both counts"

I was fishing. Looking for which counts you were taking exception to. Still don't know by the way.

[foley15136]

Ok, let's break it down in to the two tiny pieces that they are.

1. There are many "libs" in the military.

2. We do, in fact, "do combat".

I said NOTHING about yours or your sons service.

[TAMARLANE]

Not many libs in combat. Not true libs anyway.

If you consider yourself a lib, and if you have done combat, or served in any capacity, thank you very much.

You didn't find the vast majority of combat troops are conservatives?

[Ralphdraw3]

John Kerry

Bob Kerrey

Max Cleland

John Murtha

Jim Webb

Daniel Inouye

all veterans Inouye, Kerrey and Cleland wounded

Bush and Cheney both draft-dodgers.... Rove too... LOL

[TAMARLANE]

All conscripts. We were talking about current members of the volunteer military.

[Ralphdraw3]

BS

Kerry wasn't;

neither was Murtha or Webb

Get you facts straight...

[TAMARLANE]

All 3 are sad excuses for human beings right about now.

Kerry was drafted into the Army, but joined the Navy hoping to avoid ground combat. Then volunteered to serve on an off shore Navy vessel but was picked to serve on swift boats, where he served himself as best he could. Sad case, Mr. Kerry.

[DevBlazed]

bomb em all... Americans are too dumb to stand up for themselves.

(whether it was muslims or whites who did 9/11)

We did deserve 9/11. Until we accept that, we are setting up for the next one.

[nothankyoumam]

Writes DevBlazed, "We did deserve 911." That's the stupidest thing I've heard since Bush last opened his mouth. How can you say that? Did you know anybody who died in the towers on that day? Did they 'deserve 911?' Maybe you think Osama is hero?

[DevBlazed]

Osama didnt do it buddy.

[nothankyoumam]

Sure. And gravity is just a theory.

[Fringe111]

Oh give me a break, I don't trust these polls anymore. I think it's fabricated for the Bush agenda.

[dafttool]

Without political reconciliation & millions of refugees unable to return home for fear of death due to further ethnic cleansing, any declaration of victory/success is nothing more than reckless propaganda. Curious how the lone Iraqi guest was so contradictory to all of Bush's water carriers--strike that, Bush's kool-aid carriers. And curious that after 7 years of Bush's foolhardy policies, oil is now about $100 a barrel. It seems Cheney's secret energy meetings were quite successful.

[DevBlazed]

Veracifier is losing my respect as it seems they too dont care much for Ron Paul. And seem to exclude him entirely.

[dafttool]

Veracifier is recapping the Sunday morning news shows here. Paul was not a subject of these programs; Iraq was. Don't blame the messenger, Veracifier. Blame the media which ignores and ridicules your candidate.