On what basis are you making a value judgment as to fairness? I fear that most of us are arguing yet not centered in our own judgement. We are utilitarians one moment, individualists the next. Once we believe in transcendent ethics of justice and mercy, then again we are materialists, empiricists. If we don't understand our own judgement we are unfit to judge. In such a case survival means nothing from extinction; nor life from death; the sustainable from the ephemeral; much less human rights f
What is fair? I think there are a few problems in your train of thought. You need to decide where the center of your morality is coming from. Is morality based on human law or spiritual law? Do you believe in abstract ideals like justice and mercy as the foundation for moral judgment or is it all based on utility? Are rights innate as your suggest or the convenient pronouncement of man? Everyone person needs discover then on there own, and we need to be careful of talking out of both sides of o
Our generation needs to make a sacrifice for the children of our children. An ENORMOUS adjustment must be made that will be fair to few. This is something that must be done, though.
Folks we are searching the Black cat in the Dark room, We can talk like this for months and years=NO Solution. There is a solution for this''zeitgeist movement'', ''The Venus project.'' Please check out this with patience.
Was the process of moving from a sustainable world to an unsubstainable one fair? Did everyone get their fair share of the resources when they were abundant, and seeming to become more abundant as time passed? Or did some people get, and take, more than others? Are there any good reasons to believe that as resources deplete, people will ensure the hardship and suffering are shared in a fair manner? Or will some leave, or cause, ohers to suffer in order to lesen their own hardship?
The people in big trade, big oil, and big industry, the people who own 3 SUV's, the people that fly airplanes every day, these are the people that will "suffer" the most.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DEPLETED FOSSIL FUEL SOURCES.
With epic momentous music in the background, you write that "to some people, the `pursuit of happiness´ (lol), means big suv, cheap gas etc..
NOT VALID STANDARDS OF HAPPINESS.
If my happiness were murder, i would HAVE TO STOP
@Theeye1987 ...The people in big trade, big oil, and big industry will suffer the least. They will continue to own you and have the resources to liquidate and rebuild a new empire over your head in the drop of a hat, once they determine what the new major demand is.
If you look at Southern African countries, i think you get a part of the answer because the population there has already started to shrink. In the case of AIDS, those who die are those who have more "immoral" lifestyles (let's put it like that...) therefore it's a kind of natural selection.
I think that other kind of viruses (like H5N1) will not make much discrimination. If 4 or 5 biliion people die suddently, the scenario will change.
Moving away from fossil fuels isn't fair for two types of people, those who "need luxuries" and oil barons. As far as I'm concerned, they'll just need to suck it up like they have told the lower classes to do for years and start conserving. That means eliminating plastic bags completely, using solar power, converting to biofuels and using only the minimal amount of petrol needed for society to advance. All this would take time (About Twenty years) but it would be worth it.
Society has never been "fair". Every human society has leaders an followers, rich and poor, ... every high school has the pretty girls and the ugly girls... unfairness is part of human life. And "rights" only exist for those more privileged in the world whether that be the rights of Englishman during the reign of the British Empire, or the rights of Americans during the American empire... or in the next 100 years the rights of the Chinaman.
Most people simply don't understand the message that we live in a finite world and only intelligent individuals think about future questions at all. Many people share childish beliefs, they regard the world as a mystical place depending on sorcery or religion. In my view the fate of the human species is therefore mainly determined by unconscious drives and evolutionary programmed behaviours very similar to other animal species on earth. And that means collapse of civilization will come naturally
Civilizations have collapsed hundreds of times throughout human history. Humans are just never going to learn from those collapses . They are never going to accept that civilization itself is unsustainable. Even if human population is reduced to 3000 in one area, there'll probably be one delusional and charismatic person there trying to inspire other people to recreate another failed empire.
Civilizations have collapsed hundreds of times throughout human history. Humans are just never going to learn from those collapses . They are never going to accept that civilization itself is unsustainable. Even if human population is reduced to 3000 in one area, there'll probably be one delusional and charismatic person there trying to inspire other people to recreate another failed empire.
I think, this video was a total waste of my, and your, precious time. I think, that society would be far more sustainable if we didn't have these awareness-raising idiots. We are all going to die, that has been a fact of life since Aristotle. We don't need to have these same empty words repeated over and over again - moreover, this dude looks like he has a bachelor's degree, so I question why isn't he working? I say the best way to save oil is to stop broadcasting nonsense like this.
On what basis are you making a value judgment as to fairness? I fear that most of us are arguing yet not centered in our own judgement. We are utilitarians one moment, individualists the next. Once we believe in transcendent ethics of justice and mercy, then again we are materialists, empiricists. If we don't understand our own judgement we are unfit to judge. In such a case survival means nothing from extinction; nor life from death; the sustainable from the ephemeral; much less human rights f
markdeming1989 2 months ago
What is fair? I think there are a few problems in your train of thought. You need to decide where the center of your morality is coming from. Is morality based on human law or spiritual law? Do you believe in abstract ideals like justice and mercy as the foundation for moral judgment or is it all based on utility? Are rights innate as your suggest or the convenient pronouncement of man? Everyone person needs discover then on there own, and we need to be careful of talking out of both sides of o
markdeming1989 2 months ago
Our generation needs to make a sacrifice for the children of our children. An ENORMOUS adjustment must be made that will be fair to few. This is something that must be done, though.
fuckoNo5 8 months ago
Folks we are searching the Black cat in the Dark room, We can talk like this for months and years=NO Solution. There is a solution for this''zeitgeist movement'', ''The Venus project.'' Please check out this with patience.
vijayanand875 10 months ago
Was the process of moving from a sustainable world to an unsubstainable one fair? Did everyone get their fair share of the resources when they were abundant, and seeming to become more abundant as time passed? Or did some people get, and take, more than others? Are there any good reasons to believe that as resources deplete, people will ensure the hardship and suffering are shared in a fair manner? Or will some leave, or cause, ohers to suffer in order to lesen their own hardship?
johnro76 1 year ago
Of course the transition will be fair!!!!
The people in big trade, big oil, and big industry, the people who own 3 SUV's, the people that fly airplanes every day, these are the people that will "suffer" the most.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DEPLETED FOSSIL FUEL SOURCES.
With epic momentous music in the background, you write that "to some people, the `pursuit of happiness´ (lol), means big suv, cheap gas etc..
NOT VALID STANDARDS OF HAPPINESS.
If my happiness were murder, i would HAVE TO STOP
Theeye1987 2 years ago
@Theeye1987 ...The people in big trade, big oil, and big industry will suffer the least. They will continue to own you and have the resources to liquidate and rebuild a new empire over your head in the drop of a hat, once they determine what the new major demand is.
fuckoNo5 8 months ago
If you look at Southern African countries, i think you get a part of the answer because the population there has already started to shrink. In the case of AIDS, those who die are those who have more "immoral" lifestyles (let's put it like that...) therefore it's a kind of natural selection.
I think that other kind of viruses (like H5N1) will not make much discrimination. If 4 or 5 biliion people die suddently, the scenario will change.
he6klgb6 2 years ago
Moving away from fossil fuels isn't fair for two types of people, those who "need luxuries" and oil barons. As far as I'm concerned, they'll just need to suck it up like they have told the lower classes to do for years and start conserving. That means eliminating plastic bags completely, using solar power, converting to biofuels and using only the minimal amount of petrol needed for society to advance. All this would take time (About Twenty years) but it would be worth it.
strylowskia90 3 years ago
Society has never been "fair". Every human society has leaders an followers, rich and poor, ... every high school has the pretty girls and the ugly girls... unfairness is part of human life. And "rights" only exist for those more privileged in the world whether that be the rights of Englishman during the reign of the British Empire, or the rights of Americans during the American empire... or in the next 100 years the rights of the Chinaman.
chimera135 3 years ago
Most people simply don't understand the message that we live in a finite world and only intelligent individuals think about future questions at all. Many people share childish beliefs, they regard the world as a mystical place depending on sorcery or religion. In my view the fate of the human species is therefore mainly determined by unconscious drives and evolutionary programmed behaviours very similar to other animal species on earth. And that means collapse of civilization will come naturally
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Civilizations have collapsed hundreds of times throughout human history. Humans are just never going to learn from those collapses . They are never going to accept that civilization itself is unsustainable. Even if human population is reduced to 3000 in one area, there'll probably be one delusional and charismatic person there trying to inspire other people to recreate another failed empire.
DaFuckyouat 1 year ago
Civilizations have collapsed hundreds of times throughout human history. Humans are just never going to learn from those collapses . They are never going to accept that civilization itself is unsustainable. Even if human population is reduced to 3000 in one area, there'll probably be one delusional and charismatic person there trying to inspire other people to recreate another failed empire.
DaFuckyouat 1 year ago
I think, this video was a total waste of my, and your, precious time. I think, that society would be far more sustainable if we didn't have these awareness-raising idiots. We are all going to die, that has been a fact of life since Aristotle. We don't need to have these same empty words repeated over and over again - moreover, this dude looks like he has a bachelor's degree, so I question why isn't he working? I say the best way to save oil is to stop broadcasting nonsense like this.
barfrecords 3 years ago
Reading your comment was a total waste Ive my time , does he look like hes unemployed and also the internet doesnt run on oil
danbuck333 3 years ago
I say he looks like he has a bachelor's degree, and indeed he does not seem to be working. And also the internet does run on oil, everything does.
barfrecords 3 years ago
So after viewing someone on a video for a couple of minutes you can figure out there education and employment , you really are a idiot
danbuck333 3 years ago
indeed I can, and indeed I am an idiot.
barfrecords 3 years ago
@barfrecords Internet does not run on oil, that's preposterous. Maybe coal through electricity, but not oil
Seedofwinter 5 months ago