@Jamesp1972 it only sounds like shudder 2 think, with some of the discordant guitar chords played, and maybe the higher register of the vocals..craig werdren has a much higher range than snake, both are geniuses
@clare0holden this album was in the top 100 canadian albums of all time book so it cant be the most underrated. also its the most viewed album by voivod on youtube
i think the outer limits or rrroooaaarrr are more underrated but idk what everyone else would say thats just my opinion
Dream Theater, great progressive metal!!?? The band that can turn *EVERYTHING* into a guitar masturbation that would make Yngwie embarrassed. The only thing "great" about Dream Theater is the giggling fit I get when I imagine them playing "Mary Had a Little Lamb" with the 35 minute guitar solo, where the keyboard player spins his keyboards (metal keyboards is another joke, but I digress) and the vocalist disappears...
@kadmos1313 Ya. I know people that are pretentious prog heads and HATE Thrash Metal. Funny that Prog Metal was invented by bands like Watchtower and Voivod - Thrash bands. It's actually kind of depressing.
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this album is fucking horrible, Voivod makes great thrash metal but they suck at progressive metal, leave that to the bands who actually knows how to do it like Fates Warning or Dream Theater...this shit is unoriginal and bland
@citizen773 Actually, VoiVod were experimenting with progressive/punk/thrash in '87 when DT were still trying to get their shit together, playing local shows and sucking dick for rent money. Do yourself a favour and actually LISTEN to a band before you open your stupid fucking mouth and make yourself look like an idiot.
@citizen773 Never said they were. But it seems like every prog fanboy wannabe cites Dream Theater and Fates Warning when they wanna shit on any other band. I don't care how good Petrucci is; they're boring. You want real progressive metal? Listen to Watchtower - These guys created the blueprint that bands like DT, Athiest, Cynic, and pretty much any other technical metal band drew inspiration from.
i wikipedia this band cuz my friend had this on cassette his uncle gave him his 80s deathmetal thrash collection we used to listened to it in high school 2002 in his car good times !!kreator nuclear assult bolt thrower ripping corpse theres more but this one was classic
@09prizefighter09 Nice mentions, good bands. I have been enjoying some Dr. Know (the band, not the singer, even though Bad Brains are king after all this time, too).
If you haven't heard Dr. Know yet, I'd STRONGLY recommend. Awesome old band and I have heard they reformed with at least the singer as recently as 2010.
@Szamot97 just go and get the album , even though it's hard to find. you know, the circular thing inside the open/close case. c.d.s. perhaps you've heard of them LOL
@Szamot97 have you ever seen them live? i have Dimension Hatross and RRRRRRRooooaaaAAARR on original Vinyl. outer limits was their return to awesome albums, with the awesome cheesy 1950s' type 3-d glasses, that is a good one
long fuckin time since I heard this band, have seen live, sehre gutt , you forget how good things are. Like nectar, the name is appropriate. listening pleasure dudes.
truelly awesome, if you you guys haven't checked out a band called martyr i suggest you should. their music is heavily influenced by voivod and they're also from quebec, which makes them that much better.
@IronSlayerDeth Skinny Puppy too. Completely different genre but they're one of the greatest Industrial bands ever. Actally Canada's got many great bands.
While the first two albums of Voivod were both very good, I think that KT, DH and Nothingface are the ones that truly created their identity as the most crazy, unique and experimental Metal band to this day.
One very cool thing about Voivod is how they evolved their sound with time. They started out as a really cool Thrash Metal band, then evolved into an AMAZING labyrinthic Prog band. In both eras the band was great, but I prefer the Prog era.
Cryptopsy are generic death metal at best and lyrically stupid.This album was the best and last good album by VoiVod to me;not to say later album's didn't have good song's on them but the whole album wasn't good where as Nothingface is great in it's entirety .
@blitzspeer bullshit, cryptopsy is absolutely not generic. whisper supremacy, and then you'll beg, once was not, and none so vile, maybe blasphemy made flesh(although more traditional), and you tell me they're generic. but you say they are, so i'm obviously in no way changing your opinion
this was definateley Voivod at thier most intense, I like their later work too on angel rat and I am both mournful and understanding of thier discision to disband after the death of Piggy.
I also understand why jason newstead left metallica to join these dudes.
For their beyond incredible mid-period output in particular, I hold Voivod to be the band most worthy of the term 'progressive' by a LONG mile, because they truly were. 'Awesome' doesn't even BEGIN to describe it.
i don't think voivod was ever about being particularly heavy, but about creativity, originality, and musicianship. as metal evolved most bands either went commercial like metallica, or ultra heavy and satanic, but voivod just keep pushing the boundaries
Na thats wrong. we are controled by nature.Nature and instinct, we try define the rest by pointless meaning of soul.Soul is like a VDU its the way our complex machine of a body describes things seen around us, influenced by past experiences, nothing profound or godlike.
I was listening to MUNICIPAL WASTE and ended here too! Never heard this band before. Sounds cool, weird sometimes, but they have good stuff. Actually I just watched another Voivoid's video and they also play THRASH METAL, sounds even better than this song.
hm, was listening to municipal waste and this came up at end of video, idk why tho not to offend anyone but this is just awful maybe i need to listen to other shit by the band lemme know some of their good songs to check out
Nothingface is the best metal album ever made, and Dimension Hatross is the best thrash album ever made. Hatross is also one of the best concept albums. Check out 'Tribal Convictions' and 'killing technology'
i was totally turned off with the idea of them finding another guitar player... but after seeing live footage of them playing with blacky back on bass, i'm actually really excited about it. they sound awesome and that new guitar player is wicked.
wtf is the confusion on Jason Newsteads position with the band? look it up. it's easy. He's been a fan a voivod for years and friends with them whil he was in metallica. after metallica made mistakes with him and he left, he joined the superior band VOIVOD!!!!!!!!
This is my favorite song on this album and my favorite album. I don't know how much bud they were smoking but their video for the pink floyd cover they were definitely on shrooms.
So this is Jason's band...Very interesting...I don't think this is thrash (my opinion),but much more progressive metal.Reminds me somehow of Tool,and I like it.
classic LP
NINJATRONdnb 1 week ago
23 years ago huffing butane and listening to this amazing album. Its still amazing even without the butane.
TLVK 1 month ago 2
Lark's Tongues in Aspic pt II anyone?
ryder187mac 1 month ago
An Endless Sporadic kind of ripped off this song with their song "Impulse". The riff at 1:20 ish is what I'm talking about.
Bassbait 1 month ago
never bored listening this after 20 years
220massimo 1 month ago
This sounds like DC bands like Shudder to Think as much as it does metal, which is GREAT
Jamesp1972 2 months ago in playlist Roadburn 2012
@Jamesp1972 it only sounds like shudder 2 think, with some of the discordant guitar chords played, and maybe the higher register of the vocals..craig werdren has a much higher range than snake, both are geniuses
tomcornhole 6 days ago
this is so beautiful
Jamesp1972 4 months ago in playlist Roadburn 2012
Amazing album. Seen them on this tour w/ faith no more and soungarden. Those were great days!! Unfortunately I lost the cd years ago. Sucks big time!
cpm72 4 months ago
@cpm72 Saw them in NYC same tour. went to seen them..and was not dissapointed...unbelievable!!
dozer4444 3 months ago
@clare0holden this album was in the top 100 canadian albums of all time book so it cant be the most underrated. also its the most viewed album by voivod on youtube
i think the outer limits or rrroooaaarrr are more underrated but idk what everyone else would say thats just my opinion
666fuckoffandie 5 months ago
@ApostolZaRodinu i got a new friend :D
megadethandbloodd 5 months ago
Probably the most underrated album of all time. Pure marvel.
clare0holden 6 months ago
I fucking love this song...
LuisBlythe666 6 months ago
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casador190 8 months ago
Dream Theater, great progressive metal!!?? The band that can turn *EVERYTHING* into a guitar masturbation that would make Yngwie embarrassed. The only thing "great" about Dream Theater is the giggling fit I get when I imagine them playing "Mary Had a Little Lamb" with the 35 minute guitar solo, where the keyboard player spins his keyboards (metal keyboards is another joke, but I digress) and the vocalist disappears...
casador190 8 months ago
@casador190 BWAAAA HA HA!! I don't mind DT, but that was fucking hilarious....
deathbox75 5 months ago in playlist "Voivod"
so glad i never became a pretentious prog metal douchebag and am still able to enjoy this album and this band.
kadmos1313 8 months ago 11
@kadmos1313 Ya. I know people that are pretentious prog heads and HATE Thrash Metal. Funny that Prog Metal was invented by bands like Watchtower and Voivod - Thrash bands. It's actually kind of depressing.
Bassbait 1 month ago
@kadmos1313 Little confused here....this is pretty prog metal
lakai944 4 weeks ago
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this album is fucking horrible, Voivod makes great thrash metal but they suck at progressive metal, leave that to the bands who actually knows how to do it like Fates Warning or Dream Theater...this shit is unoriginal and bland
citizen773 8 months ago
@citizen773 Actually, VoiVod were experimenting with progressive/punk/thrash in '87 when DT were still trying to get their shit together, playing local shows and sucking dick for rent money. Do yourself a favour and actually LISTEN to a band before you open your stupid fucking mouth and make yourself look like an idiot.
deathbox75 5 months ago
@deathbox75 just because they did it first doesn't mean they're the best
citizen773 5 months ago
@citizen773 Never said they were. But it seems like every prog fanboy wannabe cites Dream Theater and Fates Warning when they wanna shit on any other band. I don't care how good Petrucci is; they're boring. You want real progressive metal? Listen to Watchtower - These guys created the blueprint that bands like DT, Athiest, Cynic, and pretty much any other technical metal band drew inspiration from.
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SeasonsIntheAbyss8 5 months ago
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@citizen773 Your said that the band is unoriginal; if they were one of the pioneers of progressive metal, than how are they unoriginal in any way?
SeasonsIntheAbyss8 5 months ago
@citizen773 unoriginal? listen to dimension hatross and tell me THAT is unoriginal and then i can safely call you a total retard
666fuckoffandie 5 months ago
@666fuckoffandie i fucked ur mom last night
citizen773 5 months ago
@citizen773 leave it to a twelve year old to have a shitty comeback
666fuckoffandie 5 months ago
This was my first Voivod album. I bought it back in high school (Probably 8 years ago). Damn it is so awesome.
fsmetal 8 months ago
i wikipedia this band cuz my friend had this on cassette his uncle gave him his 80s deathmetal thrash collection we used to listened to it in high school 2002 in his car good times !!kreator nuclear assult bolt thrower ripping corpse theres more but this one was classic
09prizefighter09 8 months ago
@09prizefighter09 Nice mentions, good bands. I have been enjoying some Dr. Know (the band, not the singer, even though Bad Brains are king after all this time, too).
If you haven't heard Dr. Know yet, I'd STRONGLY recommend. Awesome old band and I have heard they reformed with at least the singer as recently as 2010.
YaWantTaters 8 months ago
@YaWantTaters i will check em out thanks brah \m/
09prizefighter09 8 months ago
weird metal but its catchy this album i give propz
MrDeathjoe92 9 months ago
This song is "Astronomy Domine"
Szamot97 9 months ago
@Szamot97 no, it's not. it's "missing Sequences"
tomcornhole 9 months ago
@tomcornhole Shit. So I've got wrong - titled mp3s....
Szamot97 9 months ago
@Szamot97 just go and get the album , even though it's hard to find. you know, the circular thing inside the open/close case. c.d.s. perhaps you've heard of them LOL
tomcornhole 9 months ago
@tomcornhole Idiot. I got full of them, but really, in my country it is very hard to find sth by Voivod... I've got original "The Outer Limits"...
Szamot97 9 months ago
@Szamot97 have you ever seen them live? i have Dimension Hatross and RRRRRRRooooaaaAAARR on original Vinyl. outer limits was their return to awesome albums, with the awesome cheesy 1950s' type 3-d glasses, that is a good one
tomcornhole 9 months ago
@tomcornhole I didnt saw them live. They are coming to Prague soon, so im trying to get the tickets. And yeah, I like The Outer limits design...
Szamot97 9 months ago
@tomcornhole angel rat is good, doesn't matter if it sounds different.
Sepultallica86 8 months ago
@Sepultallica86 it actually sounds like shit,
tomcornhole 8 months ago
Best band of ALL time....
SuperBeauDogg 10 months ago
Yes
munkatarsunktol 1 year ago
i was the only one of my friends who ever listened to this ...good shit
MRMOOD3 1 year ago
@MRMOOD3 me too. I learned about them when I saw Jason Newsted's shirt in one of the rock mags back in the 80's. Didnt Piggy die a few years ago?
phantasmphan 10 months ago
Best Ever!!! R.I.P Piggy
SuperBeauDogg 1 year ago
@ApostolZaRodinu add me to that friends list, VoiVod kick serious ass
75leprechaun 1 year ago
under-rated and forgotten album
ryan49er1 1 year ago
long fuckin time since I heard this band, have seen live, sehre gutt , you forget how good things are. Like nectar, the name is appropriate. listening pleasure dudes.
sijag68 1 year ago
They were the real deal.
Riskiamo 1 year ago
@ApostolZaRodinu than we are best friend for ever :D!!! whahahah xD
georgios09876 1 year ago
i want whatever they were on when making this album.
bml106 1 year ago
truelly awesome, if you you guys haven't checked out a band called martyr i suggest you should. their music is heavily influenced by voivod and they're also from quebec, which makes them that much better.
deathguitarist2010 1 year ago 2
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I also think Martyr's guitarist is Voivod's touring guitarist.
trippolette06 1 year ago
Canada reigns supreme for three major reasons Gorguts, Cryptopsy and VOIVOD
IronSlayerDeth 1 year ago
@IronSlayerDeth Skinny Puppy too. Completely different genre but they're one of the greatest Industrial bands ever. Actally Canada's got many great bands.
THEMANOUTOFTHECAVE 1 year ago
@IronSlayerDeth dont forget nickelback
URiiNE 1 year ago
Man! Forgot how cool and prgressive these guys are/were! I was listening to this stuff when it 1st came out
jroach96 1 year ago
really underrated band
metal1as1hell 1 year ago
damn shame you can't buy voivod records in australia
aussieosbourne 1 year ago
While the first two albums of Voivod were both very good, I think that KT, DH and Nothingface are the ones that truly created their identity as the most crazy, unique and experimental Metal band to this day.
Voivod ftw!!!
Gretgor666 1 year ago
One very cool thing about Voivod is how they evolved their sound with time. They started out as a really cool Thrash Metal band, then evolved into an AMAZING labyrinthic Prog band. In both eras the band was great, but I prefer the Prog era.
Gretgor666 1 year ago
This song is so godly. Out of this world.
BoovTheAlmighty 1 year ago
this reminds me of a thrash metal version of Primus
Haloman777 1 year ago
Cryptopsy are generic death metal at best and lyrically stupid.This album was the best and last good album by VoiVod to me;not to say later album's didn't have good song's on them but the whole album wasn't good where as Nothingface is great in it's entirety .
blitzspeer 1 year ago
@blitzspeer bullshit, cryptopsy is absolutely not generic. whisper supremacy, and then you'll beg, once was not, and none so vile, maybe blasphemy made flesh(although more traditional), and you tell me they're generic. but you say they are, so i'm obviously in no way changing your opinion
yamanick92 1 year ago
this was definateley Voivod at thier most intense, I like their later work too on angel rat and I am both mournful and understanding of thier discision to disband after the death of Piggy.
I also understand why jason newstead left metallica to join these dudes.
Voivods music was always unique and underrated.
irkedd 1 year ago
This ain't really heavy,but still rocks.There will never be another Voivod,they are unique in their creativity.
THRASHFKINFILLETS 1 year ago
I remember trading a friend a nickle for this tape. He had found it in the bargin bin, and boasted that he got the better deal.
2 hits of black gel and this tape is prolly one of my fondest disturbing memories.
SSITex 1 year ago
I remember trading a friend a nickle for this tape. He had found it in the bargin bin, and boasted that he got the better deal.
2 hits of black gel and this tape is prolly one of my fondest disturbing memories.
SSITex 1 year ago
For their beyond incredible mid-period output in particular, I hold Voivod to be the band most worthy of the term 'progressive' by a LONG mile, because they truly were. 'Awesome' doesn't even BEGIN to describe it.
daemonomaniac 1 year ago 5
favorited!
oikra 1 year ago
XxDEPREDADORxX
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ACM1METRO 1 year ago
Love this song. Piggy is just all over the map here and I mean that as a compliment. Great chord choices and mad time changes. Fantastic stuff.
adam872 1 year ago
Its been a long time since i have heard Voivod.. damn they were ahead of thier time..
As i remember the rumor mill back then.. Most songs were written by Piggy.. and there are lots of references to his metal conditions..
The art work was all by Away, correct?
SwingingDickOfDoom 1 year ago 4
definetely the heaviest band out of Canada and one of my favorite bands R.I.P Piggy. long live Voivod
Satansfizt 2 years ago 5
the heaviest band out of canada is cryptopsy my friend
GoodOldDeathMetal 2 years ago 5
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EliteBeast 1 year ago
agreed.
razor is way heavier than voivod anyways, at least nothingface.
warcraftsucks123 1 year ago
i don't think voivod was ever about being particularly heavy, but about creativity, originality, and musicianship. as metal evolved most bands either went commercial like metallica, or ultra heavy and satanic, but voivod just keep pushing the boundaries
chemiah 1 year ago 5
all these baND are from mtl.Quebec
guitarbeast1944 1 year ago
@GoodOldDeathMetal Yeah, but Cryptopsy has a terrible shit-ridden message.
firsttimein 1 year ago
@GoodOldDeathMetal Blasphemy, son. Blasphemy is.
ThazuaBlackarrow 1 year ago
this band is from Quebec man ....
guitarbeast1944 1 year ago 2
its a great thing piggys genius lives on through his music
thrashtildethxx 2 years ago 2
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they sound as if king crimson played thrash
zeth205 2 years ago
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zeth205 2 years ago
they could not speak english very well and had kiisti helping with lyrics in english.....this album sounds great.
lilnetty2 2 years ago
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2:27 - 3:00 is just awesome
KurtInChains 2 years ago
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KurtInChains 2 years ago
I reflect back to summer 1990 when I hear this album. This was awesome and still is!! R.I.P. Piggy!!
MyInnerEyeMike 2 years ago
i listerned to this when it was relaeased. still rocks after all the years
SuperWooders 2 years ago 31
great song def my favorite album from them.
elevenAD 2 years ago 2
Make your choice because you're all here to stay forever. If you equate facing
reality(GOD) as cowardice than you've got the circle. Let me repeat, if there's no
GOD than you've got Eternal Return. There is no way out. Death is an
illusion. You shall wake up instantly in your mothers womb and start again, for
all eternity, repeating your pointless existence as is, forever and ever.
TheGnostic12 2 years ago
Na thats wrong. we are controled by nature.Nature and instinct, we try define the rest by pointless meaning of soul.Soul is like a VDU its the way our complex machine of a body describes things seen around us, influenced by past experiences, nothing profound or godlike.
SuperWooders 2 years ago
@TheGnostic12 Thanks. Usually you have to pay truckloads to learn The Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything. 42, my friend. 42. lol
theunknownknows 2 years ago 4
@TheGnostic12 wtf?
vef444 1 year ago
super !!!!!!!
kokoko12311 2 years ago
Love the bass in this band.
franckiii 2 years ago 4
I was listening to MUNICIPAL WASTE and ended here too! Never heard this band before. Sounds cool, weird sometimes, but they have good stuff. Actually I just watched another Voivoid's video and they also play THRASH METAL, sounds even better than this song.
hendrixsc 2 years ago
voivod are the kings of thrash metal.
BLACKSABBATH0HM 2 years ago
stranger band
but cool
PiErRe6363 2 years ago 3
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hm, was listening to municipal waste and this came up at end of video, idk why tho not to offend anyone but this is just awful maybe i need to listen to other shit by the band lemme know some of their good songs to check out
6iNStant6Karma6 2 years ago
Nothingface is the best metal album ever made, and Dimension Hatross is the best thrash album ever made. Hatross is also one of the best concept albums. Check out 'Tribal Convictions' and 'killing technology'
jprophet420 2 years ago 3
The reason i like this album is they do more emotions than what they do on other albums.
Megathrax84 2 years ago
if you better like rock like albums, try : the outer limits i LOVE it! some songs on the album : Fix my heart, le pont noir and time warp.
For trash album, i loved their first : war and pain. heres some songs : suck your bone (awesome) nuclear war and black city
wizorz 2 years ago
i was totally turned off with the idea of them finding another guitar player... but after seeing live footage of them playing with blacky back on bass, i'm actually really excited about it. they sound awesome and that new guitar player is wicked.
soldaisyabby 2 years ago
they didn't exactly find a "new" guitar player, he's just hired to play gigs. Voivod are over, Infini will be the last official album.
burlearth 2 years ago
...No time to reply. I like this album but AngelRat? Hmmm...
ironbird01 2 years ago
wtf is the confusion on Jason Newsteads position with the band? look it up. it's easy. He's been a fan a voivod for years and friends with them whil he was in metallica. after metallica made mistakes with him and he left, he joined the superior band VOIVOD!!!!!!!!
honchler 2 years ago 3
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this was a huge let down!
w.t.f. happened!!!
evilchuck420 2 years ago
old school :x
precioussmig 2 years ago
This was my introduction to the band.
ronfrrll73 3 years ago
This is my favorite song on this album and my favorite album. I don't know how much bud they were smoking but their video for the pink floyd cover they were definitely on shrooms.
ejb72 3 years ago
jasons band . ? get the fuck . he's just a tagalong .rip piggy .
thewrecker36 3 years ago 3
So this is Jason's band...Very interesting...I don't think this is thrash (my opinion),but much more progressive metal.Reminds me somehow of Tool,and I like it.
Seethroughfisheyes 3 years ago
this isnt jasons band, just because he joined it relatively recently
and yes this album was largely progressive but their early stuff certainly was thrash
each album is unique
willcourtley 3 years ago 3
Okay,u're right.But thanks for the information.
Seethroughfisheyes 3 years ago
:P theyre a great band and unlike most bands pretty much all of their albums are genuine, unique and extremely interesting
jason has brought a lot to the band, katorz is a good album and he is a great musician but personally i prefer their early stuff
willcourtley 3 years ago
wow, these guys musta smoked some premium CANADIAN buds to think up this shit. we will miss you piggy.
metalwizard13 3 years ago
great band and great album as well =)
-Swe
IASkoog 3 years ago 2
Nothingface is one of the best music album of all the time... and "missing sequences" is maybe the best song of that album! great!
chaosmonger79 3 years ago 4
I love Voivod. Does anyone know where I can find this album?
kavedude77 3 years ago
The "Iron Gang"!
Voivod - Nothingface still one of the best metal recordings ever..RIP Piggy...
mortuary3 3 years ago
although i never really liked the vox, i think they trully fit the band. possibly the most unique album in the metal genre
m4nim4l 3 years ago
Still one of my favorite albums ever! Once I heard them for the first time, I could not resist the power of the Voivod. Such a unique band. RIP Piggy
russosaurus 3 years ago 4
class rip piggy .
thewrecker36 3 years ago 3
legends
crysis123456789 3 years ago
One of the best and most underrated bands of the underground.
Nothingface is one of their best albums and a major achievement in breaking new ground.
I only wish they kept the Thrash element in their releases after.
HarryBryantnxs6 3 years ago 4