It is sad but I understand. These old people have move to a place that keeps out the young. so they no longer had to worry so much about crack whores and pinps moving in next door. That is what you risk if you let the 6 year old stay. Daughter wants to stay with her 6 year old next and then she wants her boy friend that is pinp crack dealer. Next you got friends wanting to have a party. Some one needs to help gandma sell her home and move with grand daughter. HOA are shit
is the landlord/judge actually even CONSIDERING THIS?!?!?!?
@ 0:38 - I would love to sock this old hag right in the face.
What have we become... how did we get so bad that we would consider kicking a sweet 6 yr old child out of her grandparent's care to be placed in a foster home. Unbelievable. Im disugusted and these people should be ashamed of themselves.
I agree with you hopless. I'd also like to sock Leland Wheeler in the face for saying the sheriff & not he would be a heartless ogar if these grandparents & their grnddaughter are kicked out. Wheeler says he wouldn't be a heartless ogar because he's enforcing the rules. You know if this was his grandaughter she'd stay..
It was a great thing the grand parents did, bringing in their grandchild during their retirement years. The rights of the entire community must be taken into consideration. If this one sweet little 6 year old is allowed to stay, then the rule is void and 20 year olds and 30 year olds can move in making a quiet retirement community a noisy regular community.
There is a reason they bought into a 55 and up community
Still BS. This is an unprecedented economic time. The privileged can feel it, as well as the common people, for a change. Lots of rules, as are laws are having to be tweaked to fit these times. Your compassion for privilege disgusts me. Compassion is needed in some situations!
5 years is long enough. they should have acted when the market was better.
I feel sorry for the whole community. They have to enforce the rules to which everyone bought into. It's unfair to those retired folk who bought into a retirement community. They allowed it to go on for 5 years. If they were stronger at the begining the house could have been sold at a better rate.
No. Absolutely not. Keeping this girl with her grandparents until they are able to sell their house will NOT force them to let other people under the age limit into the community. The laws of the community still apply to new residents. This is a special TEMPORARY situation. They are not asking to let the girl stay in the community indefinatley. Just until they sell their house. So no. Not buying it, Blairtim69.
I don't know where you're getting the idea that if they let one little girl stay, then the rules become void. You are trying to make a "gray" situation black-and-white, and like Dave Carroll said above, with the economy being as bad as it is, certain exceptions have to be made - by everybody.
If an association ignores or does not enforce a rule in their bylaws, then the the arguement is "you can't be selective on what rules to enforce" If you let her in then Mr. and Mrs. 24 year old can get in"
The grand parents were givin 5 years to move out. They should have moved earlier.
I agree i'ts sad but you can't have anarchy in a HOA
Ahhh... you're one of them... no need for any of us to try to talk common sense and morality... just another Capitalist... hope you don't need any compassion some day!
Yes. I guess I'm an evil capitalist who works 45-60 hours a week for a 50,000 year salery. Trying to keep all 78 home owners in my building happy and living communally. I enforce no motor bike rules, and carry your dog through the building rules. I also help keep preditor sales people from taking advantage of senior residents, help with minor repairs at no charge, assist when an ambulance is called.
The community was generous in allowing 5 years for the grandparents to move out. You can't step on everyone else because you want to take in your grand daughter.
Still no compassion and regard for the times and a situation that has catastrophic implication for the dependent "child". She is the point, not the association/members or the grandparents or the rules. She is not harming them or threatening their life style, regardless of how one may try to make it sound. Extraordinary time require extraordinary solutions, and these are extraordinary time, period. Compassion needs to be at its ultimate level in many, many situations, now!
Plus, the agreement was revoked 5 years ago and with that being the case an arbitrary time limit is not only not fair, but probably negates all legality of the contract, in a court of law. But, if they could afford a good lawyer, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. Case: "Restraining Order". When the party that obtained the order voluntarily "allows" the restrained person to be in violation of the court order, that order is null and void. At least it is in California.
I just feel that after letting it go for this long, already, they have already forfeited the right to enforce it now, suddenly, and on this particular family, who is obviously caught between a rock and a hard spot, and when, in the end, the little kid pays the price for all of their indecision and inconsistency... all of them!
I agree with Dave Carroll. By waiting so long to take action on the matter, this situation has become far worse than it should have been. They have put this family in jeopardy by waiting 5 YEARS to resolve the issue. Now the market has crashed and its nearly impossible for them to sell their home. And I believe the community should take responsibility for their part. The universal rule of thumb is: You snooze, you lose.
It is sad but I understand. These old people have move to a place that keeps out the young. so they no longer had to worry so much about crack whores and pinps moving in next door. That is what you risk if you let the 6 year old stay. Daughter wants to stay with her 6 year old next and then she wants her boy friend that is pinp crack dealer. Next you got friends wanting to have a party. Some one needs to help gandma sell her home and move with grand daughter. HOA are shit
samten10a 1 year ago
Leland Wheeler is a dickhead.
cne08 2 years ago
what a fucked up country!!
bakes789 2 years ago
is the landlord/judge actually even CONSIDERING THIS?!?!?!?
@ 0:38 - I would love to sock this old hag right in the face.
What have we become... how did we get so bad that we would consider kicking a sweet 6 yr old child out of her grandparent's care to be placed in a foster home. Unbelievable. Im disugusted and these people should be ashamed of themselves.
hopelesspirate 2 years ago 3
I agree with you hopless. I'd also like to sock Leland Wheeler in the face for saying the sheriff & not he would be a heartless ogar if these grandparents & their grnddaughter are kicked out. Wheeler says he wouldn't be a heartless ogar because he's enforcing the rules. You know if this was his grandaughter she'd stay..
cne08 2 years ago
If you buy into a community that is restricted you have to follow the rules.
If the rule is not enforced by the board, than all other rules are open for violation.
They have to enforce what the community bought into. no children.
Blairtim69 2 years ago
Compassion knows no rules other than morality!
DaveCarroll4 2 years ago
It was a great thing the grand parents did, bringing in their grandchild during their retirement years. The rights of the entire community must be taken into consideration. If this one sweet little 6 year old is allowed to stay, then the rule is void and 20 year olds and 30 year olds can move in making a quiet retirement community a noisy regular community.
There is a reason they bought into a 55 and up community
Blairtim69 2 years ago
Still BS. This is an unprecedented economic time. The privileged can feel it, as well as the common people, for a change. Lots of rules, as are laws are having to be tweaked to fit these times. Your compassion for privilege disgusts me. Compassion is needed in some situations!
DaveCarroll4 2 years ago
5 years is long enough. they should have acted when the market was better.
I feel sorry for the whole community. They have to enforce the rules to which everyone bought into. It's unfair to those retired folk who bought into a retirement community. They allowed it to go on for 5 years. If they were stronger at the begining the house could have been sold at a better rate.
Blairtim69 2 years ago
No. Absolutely not. Keeping this girl with her grandparents until they are able to sell their house will NOT force them to let other people under the age limit into the community. The laws of the community still apply to new residents. This is a special TEMPORARY situation. They are not asking to let the girl stay in the community indefinatley. Just until they sell their house. So no. Not buying it, Blairtim69.
hopelesspirate 2 years ago
The community allowed the girl to stay for 5 years already. I think they have let it go to long. If they ignore the rule, then the rule becomes void.
Blairtim69 2 years ago
I don't know where you're getting the idea that if they let one little girl stay, then the rules become void. You are trying to make a "gray" situation black-and-white, and like Dave Carroll said above, with the economy being as bad as it is, certain exceptions have to be made - by everybody.
hopelesspirate 2 years ago
I'm a property manager in south florida.
If an association ignores or does not enforce a rule in their bylaws, then the the arguement is "you can't be selective on what rules to enforce" If you let her in then Mr. and Mrs. 24 year old can get in"
The grand parents were givin 5 years to move out. They should have moved earlier.
I agree i'ts sad but you can't have anarchy in a HOA
Blairtim69 2 years ago
Ahhh... you're one of them... no need for any of us to try to talk common sense and morality... just another Capitalist... hope you don't need any compassion some day!
DaveCarroll4 2 years ago
Yes. I guess I'm an evil capitalist who works 45-60 hours a week for a 50,000 year salery. Trying to keep all 78 home owners in my building happy and living communally. I enforce no motor bike rules, and carry your dog through the building rules. I also help keep preditor sales people from taking advantage of senior residents, help with minor repairs at no charge, assist when an ambulance is called.
Blairtim69 2 years ago
and....
DaveCarroll4 2 years ago
No and.
I am not an evil Capitalist.
I am a hard working rather liberal person.
The community was generous in allowing 5 years for the grandparents to move out. You can't step on everyone else because you want to take in your grand daughter.
Blairtim69 2 years ago
Still no compassion and regard for the times and a situation that has catastrophic implication for the dependent "child". She is the point, not the association/members or the grandparents or the rules. She is not harming them or threatening their life style, regardless of how one may try to make it sound. Extraordinary time require extraordinary solutions, and these are extraordinary time, period. Compassion needs to be at its ultimate level in many, many situations, now!
DaveCarroll4 2 years ago
Plus, the agreement was revoked 5 years ago and with that being the case an arbitrary time limit is not only not fair, but probably negates all legality of the contract, in a court of law. But, if they could afford a good lawyer, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. Case: "Restraining Order". When the party that obtained the order voluntarily "allows" the restrained person to be in violation of the court order, that order is null and void. At least it is in California.
DaveCarroll4 2 years ago
This is in part the argument I am making. If the association does not enforce the rule, then the rule becomes void.
The community could have voted to change the rule, they might have been able to vote for acception in this case, but those items never happened.
Unfortunately any judge will side with the community.
I will say our discussion has been unusally civil for these type of sites, and for that I thank you.
Blairtim69 2 years ago
I just feel that after letting it go for this long, already, they have already forfeited the right to enforce it now, suddenly, and on this particular family, who is obviously caught between a rock and a hard spot, and when, in the end, the little kid pays the price for all of their indecision and inconsistency... all of them!
DaveCarroll4 2 years ago
I agree with Dave Carroll. By waiting so long to take action on the matter, this situation has become far worse than it should have been. They have put this family in jeopardy by waiting 5 YEARS to resolve the issue. Now the market has crashed and its nearly impossible for them to sell their home. And I believe the community should take responsibility for their part. The universal rule of thumb is: You snooze, you lose.
hopelesspirate 2 years ago