@cborigo yes, the butterfly kip is to get the chin over the bar the most times in a certain amount of time. I understand the fact that the work is, necessarily, the same. But these are only good for allowing the 'pull up' to be a part of HIT cardio.
Power? As in J/s? Technically, ok. But If you're doing 20+ reps, it's not a power-building exercise. This power comes from the "anterior chain" (lol) i.e. the abs, psoas, and sartorius, which are all working perpendicular to gravity anyway.
A lot of you guys don't seem to get it still. The point of kipping pullups is not to isolate specific muscle groups or to replace strict deadhang pullups. The point is to "do the most work in the least amount of time" which is equivalent to the most "power". The work being done is lifting the body from the lowest position with arms extended to a position with the chin over the bar. Regardless of how this is done, the amount of work done is the same, just by different muscle groups.
I'm 13, 203lbs of SOLID, DRUG FREE STRENGTH and I can do almost 80 STRAIGHT pull ups in a row, no stop, perfect from, and at least I'm no cunt and sexist like Scooby is....
I love this idea of kipping pullups being "functional". Certainly, they do develop speed and explosive strength, but I find very few moments in my life which would be helped by the ability to seizure my way up to a bar.
Wow that was such a cool video. Finally someone explained it in steps I can understand. I tried it full out before and thought i'd rip my elbows off! lol
If you just want to build big muscle, then do deadhangs. If you want to do maximum, most energy-efficient pullups in minimum amount of time, do kips or butterflies. Two entirely different purposes. If you're out in the real world and need to do a "mantling" maneuver or get over an obstacle, then you'd be stupid beyond belief to do a deadhang. People who practice functional movements will be better at performing such movements. People who build muscle will have big muscles...
@parl2001 I don't think that this type of training is going to give you any supernatural mantling ability... I train dead hangs almost exclusively and subsequently progressed to being able to muscle up on the bar.. now I train that. I generally destroy my 'cross fit' buddies at mantling/obstacles. People can train however they like if it makes them happy, me, I would rather be fit and strong, still able to kill it on obstacles, and not look like an ass-hat while preforming exercise
@wafflecushioned Undoubtedly, and I would never have argued otherwise. I respect any athlete, just seems like a majority of 'cross fit' enthusiasts(cultists hehe) exude an air of superiority which I find off-putting. These are usually the band-wagoneers/new guys... most of the old schoolers seem to do thier own thing and let the results speak for themselves. Personally I think if you take two twins and train deadhangs vs butterflys 30 minutes a day, results will be very similar.
If you just want to build big muscle, then do deadhangs. If you want to do maximum, most energy-efficient pullups in minimum amount of time, do kips or butterflies. Two entirely different purposes. If you're out in the real world and need to do a "mantling" maneuver or get over an obstacle, then you'd be stupid beyond belief to do a deadhang. People who practice functional movements will be better at performing such movements. People who build muscle will have big muscles...
If you just want to build big muscle, then do deadhangs. If you want to do maximum, most energy-efficient pullups in minimum amount of time, do kips or butterflies. Two entirely different purposes. If you're out in the real world and need to do a "mantling" maneuver or get over an obstacle, then you'd be stupid beyond belief to do a deadhang. People who practice functional movements will be better at performing such movements. People who build muscle will have big muscles. Oh we
@TheycallmeGuth the kipping pullups are not easy, they are hard. Try one if you dont believe me, it will take you about 3 days before you can actually do one, thats how long it took me. They are harder than dead-hang pullups when you start.
@TheycallmeGuth Reply may be a long time coming, but "ideally" one might do both kipping and regular pullups, probably in separate workouts. Kipping allows you to do more overall work in a shorter time (body still moves the same vertical distance), while dead-hang focuses on a more limited muscle group to lift your body in a strictly vertical path. Crossfit workouts generally focus on intensity, so more work in less time by kipping is generally considered "better."
Sick! I'm so stoked I found this!! Awesome tutorial... thank you very much for posting this. Should have it mastered relatively soon with this.
As for trying to convince people of the kip and the butterfly pull ups, if they are unwilling to listen, they cannot be expected to learn. Leave them to their meritocracy and focus on those who use their wisdom, effort and patience to achieve the impossible.
@TheycallmeGuth better time means more intensity lol... since you've never tried it, you're probably one of those people who has to segregate "cardio" and "strength", while also never ever bothing to do high intensity stuff like sprinting
Actually, it strengthens them immensely if you're able to do it. It can be "hard on them" at first but that's what the whole strengthening process is. Not recommended for beginners.
Kipping pull-ups sure do toughen up your hands too. There's a rotational element when kipping which puts a lot more stress on the skin compared to regular pull-ups. Just be careful not to overdo it while you are learning them or your torn up hands will hinder your progress! I speak from experience. :o)
The point is not to replace dead-hang (I assume this is what you mean by regular) pull-ups, but to maximize power output; Apples and Oranges. Power = Force(Distance)/Time
Using kipping pull-ups engages many more muscles allowing one to move their bodyweight a greater distance in a smaller time frame.
During a workout meant to build work capacity and maximize power output, kipping pull ups are better suited.
I see what you're saying. Fromt he looks of kips, I guessed that they were more of a power-building exercise or technique, since they seem to generate maximal power, as opposed to dead hang pull-ups, which seem to demand strength applied slowly. One's fast-twitch, and the the other slow-twitch. I'm going to start kipping along with the deads.
finally someone who does dead hangs that can stop and think before being dismissive! :) ive never understood why people argue about the two... because for me they are just different exercises. at my crossfit gym we also do dead hang pull ups and weighted pull ups. just depends on what we are trying to accomplish...
It is a rare thing to find, someone who can appreciate both I mean. I'm in the same boat as you intheweeds, I used to be strict on form of deadhangs and just did weights and cardio, now I love crossfit! Different exercises for different goals. Perfectly explained.
@intheweeds I've actually never done dead hang in my crossfit gym before... but I don't really care to. I think kipping is just more fun. I couldn't give a shit about all the arguing between the two, though. Like you said, they are different exercises.
It engages muscles which have nothing to do with pulling yourself up with your arms in a way which doesn't challenge them. It makes you able to do more pull-ups as though you weigh less, but it has nothing to do with maximizing power output.
Not if you're swinging around. Then your weight's doing the work, not your muscles. That's the whole point, that's why you can do a greater number of repetitions with the same body.
while I won't say that momentum is not taken advantage of during kipping pull ups, momentum has to be created and maintained. there is an obvious increase in power created by adding the lower body into the movement. when you learn to kip you learn to pop your hips forward and transfer this energy into assistance for the arms.
That's completely wrong. It uses more of your body, and if it allows you to do more pullups faster. The power output is higher, by scientific definition. This exercise isn't meant to isolate and "work the arms". It's a power movement, which requires a full body functional movement. Hypertrophy and isolation have their place in training, but this exercise is designed for increasing power.
Reading my comment again, I should've said "mass" and not "weight." I'm not sure if that makes a difference.
By your theory, cheat curls should develop more power than normal curls. They don't. They're just less challenging curls. They don't challenge the body parts which generate the momentum and they don't challenge the body parts that the exercise is meant to develop as much.
The "increased" power comes from a movement which doesn't develop the body.
I'm not saying that neither exercise develops the body. I'm saying that they're just lower resistance, higher rep exercises. They develop endurance, not power.
Powerful movements like kips will help develop your sustained/relative power. Increasing maximum power is a different story though, and you would use weights anywhere from 50-85% of your 1 RM with your goal in the movement being SPEED. So reps per set would stop once you start slowing down (usually 2-8 reps based on the 1 RM percentage you used)
Also remember for some people things will be different, and by that i mean a 300 pound guy might only be able to do 4 kipping pullups so for him it would be developing maximal power. For someone 120 pounds who can do like 50+ kips in a row WILL still get some gains for power but for that person the endurance/stamina is trained more than maximal power. It's different for all kinds of people. I hope that was informative for you.
"cheat" curls WOULD actually be more powerful than regular ones. The reason they are "less challenging" is because the strongest muscles in the body are being used to help it up. Of course if you're doing curls you're generally looking to isolate the biceps, and would not kip them. This momentum you speak of is generated by the hip and posterior chain muscles (the most powerful part of the body). That's also why its called a "kip" it means 'kick of the hip'.
Yes, Work = Force * Distance. Doing strict, gymnastic, or butterfly you do the same work, you're moving the same body weight the same height ( chin over the bar). The difference is in the time that it takes to produce the work. Power = Work/ time. When doing strict pullups you are slower than any type of kipping pull up - thus less powerful. All styles of pull ups have there place. Just like a semi truck has purpose so does my car. But I don't drive a semi to work, or us a car to pull 10 tons.
well it allows you to do a lot more repetitions for one. and it also helps your dead hang pull ups. im a marine by profession and part of our physical test is trying to complete a set of 20 dead-hang pull ups. i was stalled at 18 for a very long time. then i started kipping during crossfit (we do a TON of pullups)... well i quickly surpassed 20 deadhangs. i can now do about 35-40 kipping pull ups and 25 dead hangs.
Hey worldcupx0x0: You missed the point. The comment was directed at abuena (refer to that comment) for calling others ignorant and claiming to pity others. Additionally, I respect crossfit. Nonetheless, I simply ask people not to equate it with any form of military exercises.
To anyone who equates these workouts with the regimen in the military (Marine Corps, Army Rangers, Navy Seals) Stop! As a SSG Force Recon (U.S Marine) and Buds (basic underwater demolition school survivor Navy), none of your workouts will ever duplicate adverse weather conditions, sleep deprivation, intense hunger, and severe stress while performing integrated, dynamic, extreme military workouts. So, before you claim to pity anyone . . . do a real military workout you indolent civilian!
um... i respect that you're a marine and all... really, i do... but don't go and get all conceited about it. i mean, people who aren't gymnasts and aren't marines are just saying that these look like though workouts... nothing to get offended by. so if you're gonna say that civilians are lazy just because we think gymnasts and marines go through intense workouts, i'll lose my respect for you.
they aren't easier, they are different. basic physics shows that you are still moving the same amount of mass the same (or in some cases farther) distance. it's about work completed, not isolating a good dead-hang pullup.
and, move of these people cranking out huge numbers of kipping pull-ups, can crank out huge numbers of regular pull-ups too.
if you have any doubt about whether or not you will get a good workout, head down to your local affiliate and take a free class or two.
The time component is related to intensity. Real scientist have actually figured out that Intensity is exactly equal to power. And power is directly correlated with results. I'm guessing you have never suffered through a CF workout like the majority of us.
Keeping body stationary gives a LESS intense workout. More movement --> more work done--> more intensity. All this stuff you're spewing about strict pullups being "better" has no context. Better for what? Better because you say it is?
Dude theres nothing easy about crossfit workouts, it's all about learning how to be efficient as possible to get work done. It's not body building.
he's not doing this to get his lats jacked. I do suggest you try some crossfit workouts and see how your times/ lifting numbers stack up against these guys who are doing "really easy workouts"
being a 125 lbs 15 year old monster you should have no problem with any of the workouts without scaling them!
I'm not saying they are easy, I am saying they are easier. I'm just saying that if you want to use the chin-up to its full potential you need little to no horizontal movement with your legs. All the movement should be in your arms and shoulders.
It's a skill movement to get better time's on workouts. thing is you don't get it at all which is usually why people hate on crossfits kipping pullups.
For the average person shooting a two handed set shot from 15 feet away from the basket is easier than dunking. For Kobe byrant dunking is gonna get the job done easier. dunking however takes grace skill and explosiveness just like this pullup!
yeah once you learn the movement it's alot easier than than dead hang pullups. learning it is hard!
Try doing 5 to 10 rounds of 21+ dead hang pull ups plus whatever other lifts are part of the workout without stopping. No way are you able to use do dead hang pull ups. Kipping pull ups make it possible for us CrossFitters to do high intensity workouts without loosing any intensity at all.
very nice tutorial! I'm gonna try this soon... Is it true that there's not as much hip strength involved in a butterfly kipping pullup, compared to a regular kipping pullup??
if i saw someone in the gym doing this. i would die
FROMANJEFF44 17 hours ago
hahahahahah this looks soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo funny
FROMANJEFF44 17 hours ago
Only thing I'm really concerned about is what music is playing in the background.
OlgaFlow 1 week ago
I think this is only good for improving butterfly stroke technique
jablooglius 1 week ago
@cborigo yes, the butterfly kip is to get the chin over the bar the most times in a certain amount of time. I understand the fact that the work is, necessarily, the same. But these are only good for allowing the 'pull up' to be a part of HIT cardio.
Power? As in J/s? Technically, ok. But If you're doing 20+ reps, it's not a power-building exercise. This power comes from the "anterior chain" (lol) i.e. the abs, psoas, and sartorius, which are all working perpendicular to gravity anyway.
H1dden1s 1 week ago
That is weird!
palacsintakat 3 weeks ago
KEEP IT POSITIVE! keeps me going everyday with my workouts!!!!
CrossfitRJG 7 months ago
A lot of you guys don't seem to get it still. The point of kipping pullups is not to isolate specific muscle groups or to replace strict deadhang pullups. The point is to "do the most work in the least amount of time" which is equivalent to the most "power". The work being done is lifting the body from the lowest position with arms extended to a position with the chin over the bar. Regardless of how this is done, the amount of work done is the same, just by different muscle groups.
cborigo 8 months ago 4
@cborigo Theres no power build when your swinging.
Swinging = moment.
In order to use your nervous system to train to have a great power output you need to actually use a movement that uses muslces lol.
Sure momentum will make you move faster and do more kips in a short amount of time but your not gaining power.. not for 1 second.
democratusnostradas 2 weeks ago
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I'm 13, 203lbs of SOLID, DRUG FREE STRENGTH and I can do almost 80 STRAIGHT pull ups in a row, no stop, perfect from, and at least I'm no cunt and sexist like Scooby is....
check my channel, I have a vid to prove it. :D
AndyHarglesis 8 months ago
I love this idea of kipping pullups being "functional". Certainly, they do develop speed and explosive strength, but I find very few moments in my life which would be helped by the ability to seizure my way up to a bar.
Tanky830 9 months ago
This is awesome, now if only I could do a regular one.....
marcowazh3r3 10 months ago
Great Video Keep it up!
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CrossfitRJG 10 months ago
if you follow his method exactly, any seasoned weight lifter would GUARANTEE that you would make (absolutely no) gains in no time at all!
danysimon1627 11 months ago 3
bad form.
d0ubleyouteef 1 year ago
Wow that was such a cool video. Finally someone explained it in steps I can understand. I tried it full out before and thought i'd rip my elbows off! lol
Now I can work on it slowly! thanks
123billionaire 1 year ago
You explain things (like the two circular motions) that most tutorials don't. Thanks
Cultur1st 1 year ago
good stuff
parl2001 1 year ago
@TheycallmeGuth
If you just want to build big muscle, then do deadhangs. If you want to do maximum, most energy-efficient pullups in minimum amount of time, do kips or butterflies. Two entirely different purposes. If you're out in the real world and need to do a "mantling" maneuver or get over an obstacle, then you'd be stupid beyond belief to do a deadhang. People who practice functional movements will be better at performing such movements. People who build muscle will have big muscles...
parl2001 1 year ago
@parl2001 people who actually know what FUNCTIONAL IS will not even attempt these - especially the butterfly kips...wow.
chrismurphy333 1 year ago
@chrismurphy333 define functional.
pwdminion 2 months ago
@parl2001 I don't think that this type of training is going to give you any supernatural mantling ability... I train dead hangs almost exclusively and subsequently progressed to being able to muscle up on the bar.. now I train that. I generally destroy my 'cross fit' buddies at mantling/obstacles. People can train however they like if it makes them happy, me, I would rather be fit and strong, still able to kill it on obstacles, and not look like an ass-hat while preforming exercise
tehqyv 1 year ago
@tehqyv Kipping pull ups do look retarded, but don't be mistaken, these guys can do dead hangs as well.
wafflecushioned 1 year ago
@wafflecushioned Undoubtedly, and I would never have argued otherwise. I respect any athlete, just seems like a majority of 'cross fit' enthusiasts(cultists hehe) exude an air of superiority which I find off-putting. These are usually the band-wagoneers/new guys... most of the old schoolers seem to do thier own thing and let the results speak for themselves. Personally I think if you take two twins and train deadhangs vs butterflys 30 minutes a day, results will be very similar.
tehqyv 1 year ago
@TheycallmeGuth
If you just want to build big muscle, then do deadhangs. If you want to do maximum, most energy-efficient pullups in minimum amount of time, do kips or butterflies. Two entirely different purposes. If you're out in the real world and need to do a "mantling" maneuver or get over an obstacle, then you'd be stupid beyond belief to do a deadhang. People who practice functional movements will be better at performing such movements. People who build muscle will have big muscles...
parl2001 1 year ago
@TheycallmeGuth
If you just want to build big muscle, then do deadhangs. If you want to do maximum, most energy-efficient pullups in minimum amount of time, do kips or butterflies. Two entirely different purposes. If you're out in the real world and need to do a "mantling" maneuver or get over an obstacle, then you'd be stupid beyond belief to do a deadhang. People who practice functional movements will be better at performing such movements. People who build muscle will have big muscles. Oh we
parl2001 1 year ago
imagine how he can fist pump.
TheDominican10 1 year ago
I have the kipping down and I would like to learn how to butterfly kip. What the difference in the motions?
person1028 1 year ago
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TemeculaParkour 1 year ago
@TheycallmeGuth the kipping pullups are not easy, they are hard. Try one if you dont believe me, it will take you about 3 days before you can actually do one, thats how long it took me. They are harder than dead-hang pullups when you start.
maxypooh15 1 year ago
THANK YOU SO MUCH MAN!
...I will try soon...
madonndspond 1 year ago
@TheycallmeGuth Reply may be a long time coming, but "ideally" one might do both kipping and regular pullups, probably in separate workouts. Kipping allows you to do more overall work in a shorter time (body still moves the same vertical distance), while dead-hang focuses on a more limited muscle group to lift your body in a strictly vertical path. Crossfit workouts generally focus on intensity, so more work in less time by kipping is generally considered "better."
unexpectedTrajectory 1 year ago
Sick! I'm so stoked I found this!! Awesome tutorial... thank you very much for posting this. Should have it mastered relatively soon with this.
As for trying to convince people of the kip and the butterfly pull ups, if they are unwilling to listen, they cannot be expected to learn. Leave them to their meritocracy and focus on those who use their wisdom, effort and patience to achieve the impossible.
troubledwatersofmind 1 year ago
@TheycallmeGuth better time means more intensity lol... since you've never tried it, you're probably one of those people who has to segregate "cardio" and "strength", while also never ever bothing to do high intensity stuff like sprinting
Funky247 1 year ago
this must be absolutely terrible for your joints...
vinnypaxienza 1 year ago
@vinnypaxienza
Actually, it strengthens them immensely if you're able to do it. It can be "hard on them" at first but that's what the whole strengthening process is. Not recommended for beginners.
d00m33 1 year ago
im an entering the 300 comp at the gym, its full on! loving it. im goin to try this kipping lol looks funny. Gota achieve 50pull ups
DaBozza 2 years ago
Great job breaking down the individual aspects of the movement. I can't wait to try it and annoy my fellow gym members!
devitorules 2 years ago 3
Kipping pull-ups sure do toughen up your hands too. There's a rotational element when kipping which puts a lot more stress on the skin compared to regular pull-ups. Just be careful not to overdo it while you are learning them or your torn up hands will hinder your progress! I speak from experience. :o)
sideshowlol 2 years ago
yea its best to shave youre hands regulerly if you do them often. having the caluses slide off hurt ALOT...
MrHanky35 2 years ago
Exactly what does kipping develop, and is it as beneficial as regular pull-ups?
rmsolympic1 2 years ago
The point is not to replace dead-hang (I assume this is what you mean by regular) pull-ups, but to maximize power output; Apples and Oranges. Power = Force(Distance)/Time
Using kipping pull-ups engages many more muscles allowing one to move their bodyweight a greater distance in a smaller time frame.
During a workout meant to build work capacity and maximize power output, kipping pull ups are better suited.
intheweeds 2 years ago 3
I see what you're saying. Fromt he looks of kips, I guessed that they were more of a power-building exercise or technique, since they seem to generate maximal power, as opposed to dead hang pull-ups, which seem to demand strength applied slowly. One's fast-twitch, and the the other slow-twitch. I'm going to start kipping along with the deads.
rmsolympic1 2 years ago 3
finally someone who does dead hangs that can stop and think before being dismissive! :) ive never understood why people argue about the two... because for me they are just different exercises. at my crossfit gym we also do dead hang pull ups and weighted pull ups. just depends on what we are trying to accomplish...
intheweeds 2 years ago 2
It is a rare thing to find, someone who can appreciate both I mean. I'm in the same boat as you intheweeds, I used to be strict on form of deadhangs and just did weights and cardio, now I love crossfit! Different exercises for different goals. Perfectly explained.
Toucan1981 2 years ago
@intheweeds I've actually never done dead hang in my crossfit gym before... but I don't really care to. I think kipping is just more fun. I couldn't give a shit about all the arguing between the two, though. Like you said, they are different exercises.
Quejarse 2 years ago
It engages muscles which have nothing to do with pulling yourself up with your arms in a way which doesn't challenge them. It makes you able to do more pull-ups as though you weigh less, but it has nothing to do with maximizing power output.
deltafoverdeltax 2 years ago
@deltafoverdeltax ... if you are moving your body a given distance faster then you are increasing power output.
intheweeds 2 years ago
Not if you're swinging around. Then your weight's doing the work, not your muscles. That's the whole point, that's why you can do a greater number of repetitions with the same body.
deltafoverdeltax 2 years ago
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intheweeds 2 years ago
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while I won't say that momentum is not taken advantage of during kipping pull ups, momentum has to be created and maintained. there is an obvious increase in power created by adding the lower body into the movement. when you learn to kip you learn to pop your hips forward and transfer this energy into assistance for the arms.
intheweeds 2 years ago
@deltafoverdeltax
That's completely wrong. It uses more of your body, and if it allows you to do more pullups faster. The power output is higher, by scientific definition. This exercise isn't meant to isolate and "work the arms". It's a power movement, which requires a full body functional movement. Hypertrophy and isolation have their place in training, but this exercise is designed for increasing power.
d00m33 1 year ago
Reading my comment again, I should've said "mass" and not "weight." I'm not sure if that makes a difference.
By your theory, cheat curls should develop more power than normal curls. They don't. They're just less challenging curls. They don't challenge the body parts which generate the momentum and they don't challenge the body parts that the exercise is meant to develop as much.
The "increased" power comes from a movement which doesn't develop the body.
deltafoverdeltax 1 year ago
I'm not saying that neither exercise develops the body. I'm saying that they're just lower resistance, higher rep exercises. They develop endurance, not power.
deltafoverdeltax 1 year ago
Powerful movements like kips will help develop your sustained/relative power. Increasing maximum power is a different story though, and you would use weights anywhere from 50-85% of your 1 RM with your goal in the movement being SPEED. So reps per set would stop once you start slowing down (usually 2-8 reps based on the 1 RM percentage you used)
d00m33 1 year ago
Also remember for some people things will be different, and by that i mean a 300 pound guy might only be able to do 4 kipping pullups so for him it would be developing maximal power. For someone 120 pounds who can do like 50+ kips in a row WILL still get some gains for power but for that person the endurance/stamina is trained more than maximal power. It's different for all kinds of people. I hope that was informative for you.
d00m33 1 year ago
"cheat" curls WOULD actually be more powerful than regular ones. The reason they are "less challenging" is because the strongest muscles in the body are being used to help it up. Of course if you're doing curls you're generally looking to isolate the biceps, and would not kip them. This momentum you speak of is generated by the hip and posterior chain muscles (the most powerful part of the body). That's also why its called a "kip" it means 'kick of the hip'.
d00m33 1 year ago
Yes, Work = Force * Distance. Doing strict, gymnastic, or butterfly you do the same work, you're moving the same body weight the same height ( chin over the bar). The difference is in the time that it takes to produce the work. Power = Work/ time. When doing strict pullups you are slower than any type of kipping pull up - thus less powerful. All styles of pull ups have there place. Just like a semi truck has purpose so does my car. But I don't drive a semi to work, or us a car to pull 10 tons.
howarja 1 year ago
yep
rsm808 2 years ago
well it allows you to do a lot more repetitions for one. and it also helps your dead hang pull ups. im a marine by profession and part of our physical test is trying to complete a set of 20 dead-hang pull ups. i was stalled at 18 for a very long time. then i started kipping during crossfit (we do a TON of pullups)... well i quickly surpassed 20 deadhangs. i can now do about 35-40 kipping pull ups and 25 dead hangs.
intheweeds 2 years ago
parece que le da una descarga electrica
romarsocos 2 years ago
Hey worldcupx0x0: You missed the point. The comment was directed at abuena (refer to that comment) for calling others ignorant and claiming to pity others. Additionally, I respect crossfit. Nonetheless, I simply ask people not to equate it with any form of military exercises.
d1rox911 2 years ago
To anyone who equates these workouts with the regimen in the military (Marine Corps, Army Rangers, Navy Seals) Stop! As a SSG Force Recon (U.S Marine) and Buds (basic underwater demolition school survivor Navy), none of your workouts will ever duplicate adverse weather conditions, sleep deprivation, intense hunger, and severe stress while performing integrated, dynamic, extreme military workouts. So, before you claim to pity anyone . . . do a real military workout you indolent civilian!
d1rox911 2 years ago
um... i respect that you're a marine and all... really, i do... but don't go and get all conceited about it. i mean, people who aren't gymnasts and aren't marines are just saying that these look like though workouts... nothing to get offended by. so if you're gonna say that civilians are lazy just because we think gymnasts and marines go through intense workouts, i'll lose my respect for you.
worldcupx0x0 2 years ago
i love the fact that the "non-crossfitters" bash a crossfit workout.
for the ignorant people out there who can't distinguish between functional movement with muscle-building i pity you.
marines use crossfit, enough said.
abuena 2 years ago
they aren't easier, they are different. basic physics shows that you are still moving the same amount of mass the same (or in some cases farther) distance. it's about work completed, not isolating a good dead-hang pullup.
and, move of these people cranking out huge numbers of kipping pull-ups, can crank out huge numbers of regular pull-ups too.
if you have any doubt about whether or not you will get a good workout, head down to your local affiliate and take a free class or two.
urpwnd 2 years ago
not really, it will just make you look bigger and stronger.
the kipping pullup uses your whole body and the dead hang is only your back/biceps/grip
compound movements are superior.
m1kasd 2 years ago
Awesome tutorial man, thanks for the advice. I will be putting this to use in my next Fran.
andrewkool13 2 years ago
The time component is related to intensity. Real scientist have actually figured out that Intensity is exactly equal to power. And power is directly correlated with results. I'm guessing you have never suffered through a CF workout like the majority of us.
andrewkool13 2 years ago
Keeping body stationary gives a LESS intense workout. More movement --> more work done--> more intensity. All this stuff you're spewing about strict pullups being "better" has no context. Better for what? Better because you say it is?
scskowron 2 years ago
Dude theres nothing easy about crossfit workouts, it's all about learning how to be efficient as possible to get work done. It's not body building.
he's not doing this to get his lats jacked. I do suggest you try some crossfit workouts and see how your times/ lifting numbers stack up against these guys who are doing "really easy workouts"
being a 125 lbs 15 year old monster you should have no problem with any of the workouts without scaling them!
OUBOXER 2 years ago
Why would anyone want to do a pull up this way?
It is just makes you think you are good at them when in reality half of the energy on the way up is from momentum and not your arms.
TheycallmeGuth 2 years ago
go through one crossfit workout doing pullups this way and see how easy they are
alig53 2 years ago
I'm not saying they are easy, I am saying they are easier. I'm just saying that if you want to use the chin-up to its full potential you need little to no horizontal movement with your legs. All the movement should be in your arms and shoulders.
TheycallmeGuth 2 years ago
It's a skill movement to get better time's on workouts. thing is you don't get it at all which is usually why people hate on crossfits kipping pullups.
For the average person shooting a two handed set shot from 15 feet away from the basket is easier than dunking. For Kobe byrant dunking is gonna get the job done easier. dunking however takes grace skill and explosiveness just like this pullup!
yeah once you learn the movement it's alot easier than than dead hang pullups. learning it is hard!
OUBOXER 2 years ago
Try doing 5 to 10 rounds of 21+ dead hang pull ups plus whatever other lifts are part of the workout without stopping. No way are you able to use do dead hang pull ups. Kipping pull ups make it possible for us CrossFitters to do high intensity workouts without loosing any intensity at all.
snoxpro440 2 years ago
nice tutorial
Britishbulldog87 2 years ago
pretty sure this is going to help me get to some of my three month crossfit goals. sweet!
rootskier 3 years ago
very nice tutorial! I'm gonna try this soon... Is it true that there's not as much hip strength involved in a butterfly kipping pullup, compared to a regular kipping pullup??
Funky247 3 years ago
kickass. being able to teach a relatively complex movement in simple steps earns your credibility.
layfay 3 years ago
amazing tutorial!
mattbackvass 3 years ago
Thanks for this. Hoping to use it to finally get my pull up down!
teharm 3 years ago
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eco1og 3 years ago
looks so simple!
thanks for posting it
scientificamerica 3 years ago
Welcome and enjoy!
eco1og 3 years ago
That's what it looks like when gymnasts do a giant to a L-cross to a maltese.
Butterfly kip is just practicing the basics.
eco1og 3 years ago
Thank you. We are enjoying this at CrossFit Seattle.
FranM206 3 years ago
It's amazingly more efficient in wods with less than 70-100 pullups - it's scary!
Glad you like it!
eco1og 3 years ago