WHEN WAS THE SUN CREATED? The 4th Day or the 1st Day?

[damgooddownhiller]

you said trees cant live without the sun so the sun cant have been made on the fourth day.but how could there even be days and nights without the sun so it would have had to be made on the first day.by a collaspsing cloud of gas in an interstellar cloud,because god didnt make it because he is just a made up person :).

[vudumojo]

@damgooddownhiller You said, "it would have had to be made on the first day" You said also there can't be days and nights without the sun. I agree on both accounts but then you contradict yourself when you say "it would have had to be made..." but then you claim there is no Maker. How can it be "made" with no Maker?

[whitedogfive]

In the begining God made (bara, to create from notbing) the heavens and the earth. This is verse 1, so the heavens = stars, moon, sun are on the 1st day, along with the earth of verse 2.. Asa is the create word not bara for verse 14, asa is to fabricate, so for the 1st time the stars, moon and sun can be seen from the earth as the thick clouds of earlier have been removed. If the heavens were made in verse 14, what heavens were made in verse 1?

[vudumojo]

@whitedogfive True, verse #1 is overlooked. Then we see all trees and plant life were created well before the 4th day which proves again that there was already photosynthesis/the sun before this time, but they will make excuses like going to Revelation to say in Eternity there will be no sun but we know eternity is not this physical existence, we will have Spiritual bodies, THIS earth will pass away and a NEW earth will be created and new heavens. In fact God says all things will be made new.

[neoverse]

Gen 3 And God said, Let there be light(ore): and there was light(ore).

your fishing here sorry to say, both instance of the word light there are light it's self not a light source. The word for a light source does not occur until verse 14.

And besides that point there is no firmament before verse 6, so how are you getting a star(sun) before there is even a firmament?

 Also under verse 5 you injected "The First Solar Day!!". How do you get a solar day with no solar system?

[neoverse]

@neoverse Also just look at where the lights(sources) were placed in verse 17. Key verse showing that space really is not a vacuum

[vudumojo]

@neoverse Throw away your Greek lexicon. It is from other Bible manuscripts just as all the new age Bibles are.

Absolutely nothing good will come of it. That's your mistake.

[neoverse]

@vudumojo sorry, I just have to disagree with you on the lexicons.

But anyway, even if your correct on the lexicons it doesn't answer the points made. Even just reading from the English text you still have injected the "solar day" and forced a need for there to be a sun prior to day 4.

[vudumojo]

@neoverse Your point is BASED on the Greek.

You said, ORE ORE LOL come on man.

Study your Bible and trust it, STOP correcting it.

[neoverse]

@vudumojo how am I correcting anything? I haven't added anything to the text.

According to what you are saying that is how the text would read:

- Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be a sun: and there was a sun.

- Gen 1:4 And God saw the sun, that it was good: and God divided the sun from the darkness.

but anyway, if the sun was created the sun on the first day, then what is the greater light on the 4th day?

[neoverse]

@vudumojo BTW, the OT is Hebrew not Greek

[vudumojo]

@JACKABURL Dinosaurs are in the Bible!

The KJV Bible was translated in 1611.

Richard Owen coined the word 'dinosaur' in 1841!!!

SO, in the 1611 Bible, the word 'dinosaur' *did not exist*.

In the KJV Bible they are called 'Dragons'.

God created dinosaurs too my friend.

[827rover]

At the beginning the Sun could be some infrared star, thus there was no visible light, then at 4th day due to some thermonuclear-neutrino reaction it started glowing with visible photons. So the plants could grow.

[vudumojo]

@827rover Watch again/read again though.

You said the 4th Day!

There is *Visible Light* on the FIRST Day and we see Grass, Herbs and Fruit Tress on the THIRD Day, all before the 4th Day.

The Sun was created during the 1st Day but after the earth but before the end of the 1st Day.

[LightbulbMoments]

This a great bible study

Your hard work is appreciated

[vudumojo]

@LightbulbMoments You're very welcome and thanks for the kind remarks!

[JimmyCarol100]

I'm starting to learn what you mean about 10x worse, just like that person earlier, you could tell he was not asking in a true way.

[JimmyCarol100]

You know vudumojo thats probably what my problem is. Since I've been studying the Bible and don't attend any particular denomination I'm not locked into any one denomination or doctrine. I read and study on my on. They dont teach the Bible on TV so I don't watch, and I just got on the computer YT in July 2010. I guess I just let the Holy Spirit lead so its not my doctrine its Jesus.

[vudumojo]

@JimmyCarol100 Great to hear that!

I'm a bit concerned for some YouTube folks I see following after *Shepherd's Chapel's* doctrines.

Keep studying as you are doing and look out for the dog piles my friend.

They're like land mines around *here* AND TV.

The Internet is nothing more than the new TV, only 10X worse!

God bless!

[vudumojo]

@JACKABURL The animals have not been created yet as of the 1st through 4th days.

The FIRST living CREATURES are created on the fifth day.

Now Jack I have to ask, why do you bother knowing you don't believe a single word of the Bible to begin with?

LOL

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I'll be glad to continue to answer your questions though.

Just wondering. :)

[neoverse]

Gen 1:16-18 clearly shows what was created on the 4th day. If you think the sun was created before the 3rd day then what are these two objects?

[vudumojo]

@neoverse Sun and Moon.

I'll do a video on the 4th day next :)

Thanks for the comment!

[JimmyCarol100]

I love you but I think you need to read Psalm 136:7, 8 and 9, let me know what you think Brother, in Christ Jesus, Amen, Bro Jimmy

[vudumojo]

@JimmyCarol100 Psalm 136:7-9

"7 To him that made great lights: for his mercy [endureth] for ever:

8 The sun to rule by day: for his mercy [endureth] for ever:

9 The moon and stars to rule by night: for his mercy [endureth] for ever."

I am in full agreement with this, but it is not in disagreement with Genesis 1 at all Jimmy?

Are you sure you have posted the correct Scripture?

[JimmyCarol100]

@vudumojo What about 2 Cor. 4:6, the way I'm understanding it is in Gen 1:3 GOD is the light and He is good, and verse 4 He is just saying that I'm dividing the good from the dark. His Light. Hebrew word#216-Israelite word for Face of GOD. When you get to verse 14 its Hebrew word # 3974 light or luminary so there is a difference. Peace

[vudumojo]

@JimmyCarol100  The Grass, herbs and Fruit Trees Jimmy?

Sorry my friend but your doctrine doesn't work.

Turn off the preachers and listen to the Holy Spirit and read and study to show YOURSELF approved to God, not men.

Grass, Herbs and Fruit Tress cannot live without Heat, from the sun and photosynthesis...

...and it says God NAMED the Day and Night on Day ONE, just after it says he created the SUN!

Slam Dunk.

I'll make a video on the 4th Day soon.

We can't agree on everything. :)

[hiyosilver100]

@vudumojo Show me, please. Sorry, I'm not seeing where God "created the Sun on Day 1". It tells me that He "let there be" (not necessarily created) Light and named Day and Night. Creation of the Sun is implied to have been on Day 1 and verified on Day 4 when we are told that He Made 2 great lights. In the manner worded, it tells us that Stars were made on Day 4 and possibly the moon. The implication standing that the Sun (Light?) was made on day 1 (due to the need of the plant life). Contd

[hiyosilver100]

@vudumojo Cont'd - However, the "Light" that appeared (not necessarily 'created' as in let there be Light=My countenance shining)on Day 1 may be another source (God/Jesus?) that had the ability to sustain the plant life that was created on Day 3.Another consideration is that perhaps God made the plant life such that photosynthesis or heat was not yet necessary.

(These are questions that we may not yet be able to answer surely, but nice discussion in any case - makes me research and reread). : )

[JimmyCarol100]

@vudumojo KJV in Gen. is saying He made the two lights, one to rule by day and one to rule by night until verse 16, and then verse 17 He set them in Heaven and verse 19 the fourth day(even/morn) I'm not a scholar, disabled vet(army) so I study from home. But I have Companion Bible, Bible, Vines Dictionary, Strong's Concordance plus I use the BlueLetterBible here on the web +any references someone gives me. And constantly guided by Holy Spirit. Peace

[vudumojo]

@JimmyCarol100 Very good, but the Strong's definitions are *translations* you realize that right?...that some times contradict the KJV! At time a concordance was a much needed tool.

In this day and age a concordance is no longer needed.

Get the KJV in a text doc and just word search your heart out!

As I said before, no big deal on this one. It's a doctrinal thing, not life and death.

Thanks for your input! :)

[JimmyCarol100]

@vudumojo Yes that's why I also use my computer to go online and I look at different sources to see the words in ancient languages & interpretations. I also use the BlueLetterBible and anything with notes that I think I can trust. But like you say, in today's world it's hard.