has anyone noticed that this thing is being broadcast by an obvious parody of fox news? this kind of behavior out of christians honestly wouldnt surprise me, but with these ppl saying stuff like this, i'm starting to question wheather or not this has any basis in reality.
i herd things about these people when i was little,i was told that people like thought JFK was the antichrist and they're a small group ignored as crazy, i never expected they would take over Christianity. Christians i knew believe and act different now a days by ignoring Christianity allegory law to prevent bible criticism, like saying that it didn't matter if this story didn't happen, there a message to story that's more important. Christianity has been hijacked,waited 20 years for this
They're not attacking Christianity as a whole. Rather, they're exposing the citizenry of a VERY fringe, VERY radical and VERY dangerous movement that people of all faiths in this country should be opposed to. Yes, even Christians should oppose this group.
The only ones who see them attacking Christianity must be paranoid.
McCaffrey is a Communist and so is Barack Hussein Obozo.
The Communist Party of the USA has endorsed Comrade Obozo for President Rick Perry has belonged to the Methodist Church since childhood and has attended the Methodist Church in Austin, Texas since 1990. This makes the Daily Beast and McCaffrey Bald Faced Liars.
Wonder why these LOSERS didn't check out the Marxist Black Liberation Theology Church that Comrade Obozo attended for 20 years??? HYPOCRITICAL CREEPS!
@1shabuti1 - actually, 9/11 was caused by wealthy Saudi extremists, so learn to check facts before you post here or we'll burn you every time. Look at the passports of the killers. Nuff said:
@1shabuti1 There have been hundreds of 9/11 theories. None of which have been proven. We cannot make any assumptions then. We must go off of what we know. That the enemy on 9/11 were Taliban with Bin Laden.
@1shabuti1 The top military brass? The top military Brass denied that the Chinese had invaded North Korea to repel the Americans, even after the ground forces told the brass what they were seeing. The brass goes off of stats; numbers pretty much. Things happen dude. It is not impossible for an enemy invading force to make landfall on this nation. Especially a land force of over 1.5 million people (China PEACE time army size).
@zakao34 WRONG its literally impossible to invade a country of 360 million people that are armed to the teeth and anybody with any military background would know its suicidal.
Samuel Adams: "I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again;
that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."
@splicedenergy It is not. People read ACCOUNTS of people and do not believe them, no matter how many people saw the events and wrote about it. The Bible is a really big account.
So since no one believes people anymore, every textbook ever made is wrong, in fact, everything is made up! You see!
There were never people such as Socrates or Aristotle or even Plato. We cannot find their paper work and accounts to be accurate..... Come on dude.
@zakao34 The bible is not a historical record. It's fiction. If it wasn't sold in the religious section of the book store it would go in the fiction section. You've never looked into it's background so I won't give you a hard time for saying stupid things. We do not base our existence on Socrates, Aristotle and Plato. If we did the argument would be made then as well. There is no record of jesus
@splicedenergy If it is, in fact, fiction, why is it that it involves letters from Paul, (multiple letters)? Why can we trace Paul's movements? How can such a "fake religion" spread like wild fire. Especially in the face of many who wished to destroy the religion (romans, muslims)
@splicedenergy Paul persecuted the early Christians constantly. After he came to be saved he lived with and among the apostles. He was never with Jesus when Jesus was walking the Earth, however he was on the earth, just elsewhere.
@splicedenergy Before Christianity was Judaism. Christianity formed as a result of the teachings of Jesus Christ, therefore it did not exist before He walked the Earth.
@saxmanchiro There is no proof disproving God. Therefore, you do not know FOR CERTAIN that He does not exist. Show respect to what I believe in. I respect what you believe in.
@zakao34 I don't believe. That's my point. The God claim is made by Theists, therefore, the burden of proof is on the claimant, not the opposite. Your stance is old and recycled.
I claim there is a dragon living under the Indian Sea. I need to support that claim with evidence before anyone will take that claim as true. Same thing for you.
@saxmanchiro Oh! RIGHT! So humans came from apes, which then came from other organisms, which came from other organisms, which came from organized cells, which came from unorganized cells, to even coming from cells with an unorganized nucleus. So before the unorganized nucleus cells there was? Perfect sense completely. Just as much sense as saying that a Higher Being created life.
@zakao34 "humans came from apes"-wrong, we are apes and we share a common ancestor with all the apes and extinct Hominids. Correct on the rest. The difference with the Higher Being hypothesis and evolution, is we have over 250k pieces of evidence to support evolution of life. As to the start of the first cell, we are getting real close to a theory on that and the name of it will be 'Abiogenesis'. We have many people working on that, just a few more yrs, we should have this theory accepted.
@zakao34 No one saw the events. There are no witnesses. There is 0 mention of Jesus until more than 70 years after his death and it turns out even those were a fabrication of the church. All 2 sentences of it
@1shabuti1 Congress enacted the fed. Only the congress can appeal it. This is where people get unrealistic. These things he proposes like ending the fed cannot be done by executive order. But I agree with you as a whole
Christianity is a mockery of Christ. Jesus never ordained such a religion. the religion of Christ is Holiness and it was his lifestyle. this is the same religion and lifestyle that GOD gave to isreal and the lifestyle that he demanded of them. the early christians never knew of a "Christianity".
@splicedenergy He did to exist. You're statement is so far from the truth that it isn't funny. other religions identify Jesus Christ, they just don't believe he did what he did.
I'm boycotting cable and satellite tv. I'm not paying for that crap. I can get more entertainment and better news online anyway. Not going to pay for TV that ignores or demonizes Ron Paul and puts Sarah Palin, Casey Anthony, Donald Trump or some other lame glorified reality star on a pedestal by giving them 1000X more coverage. Feel free to join me.
"The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion."
You know who said that? RON PAUL. Sorry, paultards. You SUCK!!!!
There are dedicated folks who have been sounding the alarm re Dominionism in America and elsewhere (Dominionism/the New Apostolic Reformation is an heretical distortion of Christianity which now has nearly 400 million followers worldwide) for decades! For LOADS of info on this theocratic movement Google:
| CNN's Blitzer & Cafferty: 'Never Heard of Dominionism'
Neither has a chance of winning the General election. The more they come out of their comfort zone, Perry in Texas and Bachmann in her rich Christian district in MN, the more people will learn about them. Teabaggers may be dumb enough to vote for them and some dumb Republicans but Independents are too smart and will not. If either of them win the nomination just pencil Obama in for another four years.
It's funny that they bash Christians this way when you never hear a peep about the horrible things contained in the Talmud. They believe in dominion over gentiles and that as "gods chosen people" they have a right to rule us. We gentiles are just cattle or goyim.
@saxmanchiro LMFAO... its my understanding that the majority of people dont believe in it. And that matters to you when it comes to a person leading a country? No one gives a fuck about that. theres more important things going on. But its people like you who are worried and concerned about things like evolution for whatever reason. You scared? grow up
@aucaleb2 I bring up evolution only because of it's root importance to what Paul represents, his medical training. Anyone who has gone through that much education, and then denies something as pivotal as evolution to the very practice of medicine, should put up major red flags. As to the office of prez, yes, I agree it is not as powerful as Congress but look what Bush did while in office. Just having more fundies at the helm scares most nondelusional folks and gets us closer to Dominionism.
just finished reading f douglas's narrative of his life and he points out again and again how the sanctioning of slavery in the bible led to the most reprehensible treatment of "non-whites" because it justified their beliefs to do so. the slightly less christian slave owners were inhumane monsters as well but he points out repeatedly that the overtly religious ones took it to a whole other level of atrociousness. this is terrifying.....but not a surprise..
Jack Cafferty is absolutely off the chart! Every time I listen to this man I respect him more and more!
If you know anything about Christianity's History, this is nothing new! It certainly is nothing new to the surviving Native Americans as it's the same logic that was applied when most East Coast Tribes were obliterated!
@palatiality No its even worse than Sharia because Christians are actually practicing it in America, some guy was stoned to death by a fundamentalist Christian because the killer was under the impression that his victim was gay.
@MadXMax187 So people in the middle east and now Europe kill for being disrespected or believing in Christianity, and Christianity is worse? These things go on all the time over there. All the time.
They may stand for the Dominion faith, however, their dominion policies still must pass congress and pass the judicial branch. Barack O'Bama is elected and can not get all of his stinkin' policies passed. Why would Perry or Bachmann?
Well, you guys. I am not a dominion. However, we do need God in our politics. Without God in our government, our country has been transformed into what it is now.
So for now, we need prayer. Prayer is needed for our country, and the leadership of this country. Without it we are lost.
@zakao34 respect what? your idea to pray the problems away? my dignity is very well intact now that I am calling out people who think prayer will save us.
@neverine2000 Well, ya know it will. You believe what you believe and I believe what I believe. It's that simple. That was insulting. What would have been calling out in a respectful way would've been, "I do not think prayer will solve the problems of this country."
It is funny though, ever since God has been slowly kicked out of our government and schools, our country has spiraled downward steadily.
@zakao34 That's laughable. God was never in the country. Thomas Paine was an atheist. The other were mere deists and the Treaty of Tripoli states under no uncertain terms is America a christian nation and they put the separation from church and government to be secular. So you need to do some homework for yourself
Alexander Hamilton: "I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."
Thomas Jefferson: "I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
@zakao34 1. How can we kick an all powerful god out of anything? 2. During the dark ages we had nothing but religion controlling everything and in everything, hardly a better time to live then now. you reap the benefits of a modern industrialized, scientific, and technological society, yet want to pray, when we know that there are more reasonable solutions to the issues in our countries. how about communication with one another instead of higher powers that don't answer back?
@neverine2000 By the way, there is a big difference between the Dark ages religion and the Christian faith. Christian faith does not mean that Christians run all, it means that those in power who believe in Christ shall pray and do what He wants, not what they think..
@zakao34 How can an all powerful all knowing god be kicked out of anywhere by humans unless he wanted to be? Its been scientifically proven praying doesnt solve anything.
@qualityrkc Scientifically, huh...do me a favor and find the empirical evidence you are citing here proving that prayer does not solve anything. I'll be waiting.
these people had never heard of dominionism? shit, they should pull their heads out of their "I cover politics and world events for cnn, I'm the center of the world" asses.
If this is true, then no sensible person should vote for Bachmann or Perry. Unfortunately, there aren't that many sensible people left in many parts of the country, so both Bachmann and Perry are guaranteed many votes. I always find it odd that diehard Christians believe in a supernatural God, who can perform miracles that no man can stop, and they still see the need to use government as an instrument to elicit the change they want. I guess they have less faith than they profess.
CHRISTIAN CALIPHATE & THE NEW CRUSADES STARTED BY CHRISTIAN AL-QAEDA DOMINIONIST ZIONIST ARMAGEDDON OLD-TESTAMENT-THEOCRACY FASCIST EXTREMISTS=THE REAL THREAT TO HUMAN FREEDOM
I don't mean to defend them but I highly doubt they are associated with that group. Just more drama causing rumors straight from a crazy Hollywood goggle vision tabloid. Again, I don't mean to defend them. I hate their very existence, but I hate lies and rumors even more.
@sigmundbalmung Yeah, I was wondering about this myself. I can't stand Michelle Bachmann, and Rick Perry is a tool. But I like to have resource material to check out before taking any claim seriously. And I haven't been able to find a credible source that can validate these claims. If anybody can point me in the right direction, I'd really appreciate it.
All they're doing is trying to win over the evangelical belt as false shepherds. It's an act. Just like Bush and his God references was an act. Just like Obama's progressive stance was an act to fool liberals and progressives. These are political actors or sales people. It's all very simple.
The Christian Crusades and Inquisition and Holocaust and Holodomer and Most War Deaths of the Modern Era, all of these are the Creations of Christians. Christians Slaughtered BILLIONS of people on Earth for Christian Ideology.
AMERICA BY ITSELF HAS SLAUGHTERED MORE THAN 30 MILLION CIVILIANS, AND THOSE WERE SLAUGHTERED BY CHRISTIANS.
24/7, Christians commit Murders, Terrorism, Serious Crimes, Spree Killing, Robbery, Clinic Bombings, War Crimes, Beheadings, Drones, Media NEVER blames Christianity.
HOW COME CHRISTIAN USA NEVER HAS TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE IT HAS SLAUGHTERED IN ALL THE TERROR IT WAGED.
USA KILLED MILLIONS OF INDIANS & MILLIONS OF INNOCENT IN IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LATIN & SOUTH AMERICA, VIETNAM, JAPAN, EUROPE, GERMANY, PAKISTAN, MIDDLE EAST, EVERYONE ISRAEL HAS SLAUGHTERED WAS KILLED WITH USA WEAPONS. USA KILLS 30 MILLION.
Sometimes CNN can be spineless or incompetent. Other times, they're one of the best examples of what journalism should be. This is one of the latter examples.
She is a Christian Zionist Pro-Armageddon Old-Testament-World-Theocracy Dominionist (More Right-Wing and Insane and Pro-Israeli than Netanyahu or Lieberman)
Bachmann is not associated with Dominion theology. She talks about her devotion to Israel, and this is not part of Dominion theology. Whoever posted this just doesn't like Bachmann or is just ignorant. I don't know where Perry stands.
Fascist Zionist Dominionist Pro-Armageddon Theocrats Perry & Bachman (Both Believe Christian Theocracy MUST TAKE OVER USA & ALL EARTH, Israel TO BE GIVEN EVERYTHING, for the Apocalypse Horsemen & Start of Armageddon)
THIS TYPE OF CHRISTIAN THEOCRACY TERRORISM AND FORCED FASCISM TO OVERTHROW AMERICA AND ALL GOVERNMENT OF THIS WORLD AND INSTALL A ONE WORLD CHRISTIAN ZIONIST ARMAGEDDON THEOCRACY DOES NOT SCARE YOU ??
Anyone surprised to hear this is a little naive. Perry is the anti-christ, Bokbokman is as delusional as they come. If either of these fascists becomes president, expect a free ticket to the camps, because that's where any of us here are headed.
@SUCKITHARD02 lol, you're not smart enough to take over anything. like i said i'm concerned about those two idiots, but i am concerned that there are stupid people like you who believe such bullshit!
better watch out that your own personal armageddon catch up with you, then you will have reaped your just rewards!
This is scary shite.. religion+governing does not add up. As long as ppl vote for these crazy bags they have the country they deserve and the looting of them will never end.
Christians are worried that muslims , by way of reproduction and immigration , will take over the world before their eyes and within their lifetime... bush started the war and christians carry the crusade till this day... this dominionism is just under the surface of the core reason for the churches existance....
what pisses me off most isn't that these 2 politicians are religious nuts or dominionists, but that there are god damned ignorant, intolerant, bigoted, fear mongering true assholes in this country who'll vote for them.
and too damn bad if you "christians" take issue with much deserved ad hominems directed at you. your beliefs & actions do more damage to countless people in so many ways, than a few simple insults could ever do.
so to all damn "christian" dominionists ignorant bigots, F*#K YOU!
would you believe anything from the "daily beast"? the whole topic is absurd distraction to keep you focused on these phony candidates to create the same cult of personality (luciferian) that got obama (the one) elected. wake up all the gop candidates are frauds. we should demand better or take appropriate action.
Funny - Peter King is spear heading an effort to uncover Muslim infiltration of public life and attempts to overthrow the secular republic from within...oh the irony...
Fascist Zionist Pro-Armageddon Rick Perry & Michelle Bachmann (Both Believe Christian Theocracy MUST TAKE OVER USA and ALL OF EARTH, Israel WILL BE GIVEN EVERYTHING, for the Apocalypse Horseman & Start of Armageddon)
Rick Perry's Goal is to Overthrow the USA Government and ALL Positions in the Government and Replace America with a Christian Theocracy bent on Converting others and Preparing for the Armageddon (The Four Horsemen will come out of Israel), and Rick is willing to give Everything USA has to Israel, so he could prepare for Armageddon. Rick only cares about World Christian Theocracy, Israel & Armageddon.
When I think about a world where Bachmann, Perry, Palin, Romney, Santorum, et al. ... or, even Barry Soetero is President in 2012, it makes me hope that comet ELEnin would just hit us already and get it over with.
This is equal to the Jew's Zionism.
loveblackkeys 3 months ago
even Ron Paul has ties to to the founder of christian reconstructionism's son in law Gary North
whyILeftTheGOP 4 months ago
Ron Paul... :)
MrDrawingguy 4 months ago
has anyone noticed that this thing is being broadcast by an obvious parody of fox news? this kind of behavior out of christians honestly wouldnt surprise me, but with these ppl saying stuff like this, i'm starting to question wheather or not this has any basis in reality.
lXBlackWolfXl 4 months ago
@lXBlackWolfXl This is a CNN broadcastand and you find this too scary to believe right?
Genin99 1 month ago
Republican Party platform = Sharia law
macarion 5 months ago
i herd things about these people when i was little,i was told that people like thought JFK was the antichrist and they're a small group ignored as crazy, i never expected they would take over Christianity. Christians i knew believe and act different now a days by ignoring Christianity allegory law to prevent bible criticism, like saying that it didn't matter if this story didn't happen, there a message to story that's more important. Christianity has been hijacked,waited 20 years for this
starscreamdkmo 5 months ago
They're not attacking Christianity as a whole. Rather, they're exposing the citizenry of a VERY fringe, VERY radical and VERY dangerous movement that people of all faiths in this country should be opposed to. Yes, even Christians should oppose this group.
The only ones who see them attacking Christianity must be paranoid.
BigD1987 6 months ago
McCaffrey is a Communist and so is Barack Hussein Obozo.
The Communist Party of the USA has endorsed Comrade Obozo for President Rick Perry has belonged to the Methodist Church since childhood and has attended the Methodist Church in Austin, Texas since 1990. This makes the Daily Beast and McCaffrey Bald Faced Liars.
Wonder why these LOSERS didn't check out the Marxist Black Liberation Theology Church that Comrade Obozo attended for 20 years??? HYPOCRITICAL CREEPS!
BostonCremePattyCake 6 months ago
@1shabuti1 - actually, 9/11 was caused by wealthy Saudi extremists, so learn to check facts before you post here or we'll burn you every time. Look at the passports of the killers. Nuff said:
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sptimes. com /2002/09/01/911/plotters. shtml
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so quit trying to LIE Zakao the Wakco...
tnoyy34rt 6 months ago
@1shabuti1 You mean the Israeli Government? Or a faction in Israel?
zakao34 6 months ago
@1shabuti1 There have been hundreds of 9/11 theories. None of which have been proven. We cannot make any assumptions then. We must go off of what we know. That the enemy on 9/11 were Taliban with Bin Laden.
zakao34 6 months ago
@1shabuti1 The top military brass? The top military Brass denied that the Chinese had invaded North Korea to repel the Americans, even after the ground forces told the brass what they were seeing. The brass goes off of stats; numbers pretty much. Things happen dude. It is not impossible for an enemy invading force to make landfall on this nation. Especially a land force of over 1.5 million people (China PEACE time army size).
zakao34 6 months ago
@1shabuti1 Israel did not attack us on 9/11
And they are our ally.
zakao34 6 months ago
@1shabuti1 I said nothing about money or congress or even Obama. Must be replying to someone else and replied to me by mistake
splicedenergy 6 months ago
@1shabuti1 are you kidding?America is massive and has a huge population that is armed to the teeth. Ground invasion of America is not possible.
qualityrkc 6 months ago in playlist niu
@qualityrkc It isn't likely, but possible. Just because someone invades, doesn't mean they won't get beat back by us awesome American firepower.
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 WRONG its literally impossible to invade a country of 360 million people that are armed to the teeth and anybody with any military background would know its suicidal.
qualityrkc 6 months ago
@qualityrkc True, 360 million people.
Probably a little over half own weapons
Probably only 3/4s of that group really know what they are doing with that weapon
A very small percentage of that number has sufficient ammo for combat.
And an even smaller number of that really knows how to truly organize them selves as a fighting force.
NOW THEN. Just because a country invades a country does not mean that they will win! I am saying America would win. But the cost would be high.
zakao34 6 months ago
Samuel Adams: "I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again;
zakao34 6 months ago
that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 Jesus christ can't even be proven to have existed at all.
splicedenergy 6 months ago
@splicedenergy It's called the Bible. Read it
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 Read it backwards, forwards, and cover to cover. Successfully debunked it. It's a crock.
splicedenergy 6 months ago
@splicedenergy It is not. People read ACCOUNTS of people and do not believe them, no matter how many people saw the events and wrote about it. The Bible is a really big account.
So since no one believes people anymore, every textbook ever made is wrong, in fact, everything is made up! You see!
There were never people such as Socrates or Aristotle or even Plato. We cannot find their paper work and accounts to be accurate..... Come on dude.
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 The bible is not a historical record. It's fiction. If it wasn't sold in the religious section of the book store it would go in the fiction section. You've never looked into it's background so I won't give you a hard time for saying stupid things. We do not base our existence on Socrates, Aristotle and Plato. If we did the argument would be made then as well. There is no record of jesus
splicedenergy 6 months ago
@splicedenergy If it is, in fact, fiction, why is it that it involves letters from Paul, (multiple letters)? Why can we trace Paul's movements? How can such a "fake religion" spread like wild fire. Especially in the face of many who wished to destroy the religion (romans, muslims)
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 Paul wasn't even born when Jesus allegedly walked the earth that we know is a fact.
splicedenergy 6 months ago
@splicedenergy Paul persecuted the early Christians constantly. After he came to be saved he lived with and among the apostles. He was never with Jesus when Jesus was walking the Earth, however he was on the earth, just elsewhere.
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 No he didn't another misconception. Look it up
splicedenergy 6 months ago
@zakao34 - take your bible crap somewhere else, nobody wants to hear about your dumb cult..
tnoyy34rt 6 months ago
@tnoyy34rt It is not crap and it isn't a cult. Have some respect, will ya?
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 It didn't spread like wild fire, that is a misconception. Christianity was around before jesus was invented you know.
splicedenergy 6 months ago
@splicedenergy Before Christianity was Judaism. Christianity formed as a result of the teachings of Jesus Christ, therefore it did not exist before He walked the Earth.
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 - who cares, jesus was just a charismatic jew, he wasn't the son of any "god" you moron!
tnoyy34rt 6 months ago
@tnoyy34rt He was more than just a jew. He is the son of God.
Plain and simple. And once again...Respect. Learn to show some.
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 Respect for what? A delusion?
saxmanchiro 5 months ago
@saxmanchiro There is no proof disproving God. Therefore, you do not know FOR CERTAIN that He does not exist. Show respect to what I believe in. I respect what you believe in.
zakao34 5 months ago
@zakao34 I don't believe. That's my point. The God claim is made by Theists, therefore, the burden of proof is on the claimant, not the opposite. Your stance is old and recycled.
I claim there is a dragon living under the Indian Sea. I need to support that claim with evidence before anyone will take that claim as true. Same thing for you.
saxmanchiro 5 months ago
@saxmanchiro You believe he does not exist. I respect the fact that you do. I think you're wrong, but I still respect you.
And another thing, what is it that you believe? How did we get here?
zakao34 4 months ago
@zakao34 By 'we', I am assuming you mean H. sapien , and that would be Evolution, Baby.
saxmanchiro 4 months ago
@saxmanchiro Oh! RIGHT! So humans came from apes, which then came from other organisms, which came from other organisms, which came from organized cells, which came from unorganized cells, to even coming from cells with an unorganized nucleus. So before the unorganized nucleus cells there was? Perfect sense completely. Just as much sense as saying that a Higher Being created life.
zakao34 4 months ago
@zakao34 "humans came from apes"-wrong, we are apes and we share a common ancestor with all the apes and extinct Hominids. Correct on the rest. The difference with the Higher Being hypothesis and evolution, is we have over 250k pieces of evidence to support evolution of life. As to the start of the first cell, we are getting real close to a theory on that and the name of it will be 'Abiogenesis'. We have many people working on that, just a few more yrs, we should have this theory accepted.
saxmanchiro 4 months ago
@zakao34 No one saw the events. There are no witnesses. There is 0 mention of Jesus until more than 70 years after his death and it turns out even those were a fabrication of the church. All 2 sentences of it
splicedenergy 6 months ago
@splicedenergy There were many writings of Jesus Christ's followers. They were pulled together at a later date, however they did exist.
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 I've looked for those, I thought it was true too. I cannot find them and neither can anyone else. Because it didn't happen
splicedenergy 6 months ago
@1shabuti1 Congress enacted the fed. Only the congress can appeal it. This is where people get unrealistic. These things he proposes like ending the fed cannot be done by executive order. But I agree with you as a whole
splicedenergy 6 months ago
@1shabuti1 NO I support Ron Paul but to say its a revolution is to be included in the usual Ron Paul cult following
splicedenergy 6 months ago
Bauchunt can suck a cock! Not her husbands, thats reserved for his gay lover!
cujomade101 6 months ago
Perry and Bachman the Christian Taliban.
Jimb0can 6 months ago
@1shabuti1 Who's running for the 3rd time. You are part of a cult not a revolution
splicedenergy 6 months ago
LOL at the idea that Ron Paul the creatard that wants to give fetuses people status is "normal" V V V V -------
boobootoob 6 months ago
Christianity is a mockery of Christ. Jesus never ordained such a religion. the religion of Christ is Holiness and it was his lifestyle. this is the same religion and lifestyle that GOD gave to isreal and the lifestyle that he demanded of them. the early christians never knew of a "Christianity".
usgitmo33 6 months ago
@usgitmo33 Jesus didnt exist. Its easy to assume he did if you never ask the question
splicedenergy 6 months ago
@splicedenergy He did to exist. You're statement is so far from the truth that it isn't funny. other religions identify Jesus Christ, they just don't believe he did what he did.
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 I know what I am talking about. I did the work. So what if others mention him. None of them are or even were real
splicedenergy 6 months ago
American needs more traditional values, but lets not go overboard.
The 1st value is to follow the Constitution.
Ron Paul 2012
ceovp 6 months ago
I'm boycotting cable and satellite tv. I'm not paying for that crap. I can get more entertainment and better news online anyway. Not going to pay for TV that ignores or demonizes Ron Paul and puts Sarah Palin, Casey Anthony, Donald Trump or some other lame glorified reality star on a pedestal by giving them 1000X more coverage. Feel free to join me.
hodoprime 6 months ago
"The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion."
You know who said that? RON PAUL. Sorry, paultards. You SUCK!!!!
BigD1987 6 months ago
There's something growing on my nutsack! Is there a doctor in the house?
TheKmbt 6 months ago
There are dedicated folks who have been sounding the alarm re Dominionism in America and elsewhere (Dominionism/the New Apostolic Reformation is an heretical distortion of Christianity which now has nearly 400 million followers worldwide) for decades! For LOADS of info on this theocratic movement Google:
| CNN's Blitzer & Cafferty: 'Never Heard of Dominionism'
MIJVI 6 months ago
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THIS IS SCARY AS HELL...
goddiscussion. com/69805/christian-7-mountains-dominionism-unleashed-the-300-perry-and-the-presidency/
halcyon0830 6 months ago
Dominionism is treason.
luisdez81 6 months ago 2
John from Tennessee is a dumbass.
ducuss 6 months ago 3
Dominionism = Christian Taliban
2cOthers 6 months ago 23
God help humanity if either of these Christian extremists are put in power.
LamCriddlexx 6 months ago
Neither has a chance of winning the General election. The more they come out of their comfort zone, Perry in Texas and Bachmann in her rich Christian district in MN, the more people will learn about them. Teabaggers may be dumb enough to vote for them and some dumb Republicans but Independents are too smart and will not. If either of them win the nomination just pencil Obama in for another four years.
artvandelay3911 6 months ago
It's funny that they bash Christians this way when you never hear a peep about the horrible things contained in the Talmud. They believe in dominion over gentiles and that as "gods chosen people" they have a right to rule us. We gentiles are just cattle or goyim.
ClutchFan1971 6 months ago
How is this news? Theyre also batshit insane.
TheCaptainLulz 6 months ago
This is why you vote for Ron Paul!! true liberty =)
RON PAUL 2012!!!
Intinator 6 months ago
@SUCKITHARD02 i agree...both perry and bachamm (and her raging queen husband) ARE drama trolls!
wntoply6 6 months ago
I can't speak for these sects, but similar groups believe it's also OK to lie to unbelievers. So good luck with your questions.
The Moonies have similar beliefs.
I've never seen a news network cover the connection between THEM and the GOP.
Believe me, it's there.
PRIVATEAYEIEYE 6 months ago
Religion is batshit...
chriscr123 6 months ago
John from Tennessee is a good little Nazi.
BClay74 6 months ago
Ron Paul is looking better and better everyday... Finally a president that doesnt lie and just believes in peace and freedom of choice.
aucaleb2 6 months ago 5
@aucaleb2 But Ron Paul also denies facts, like Evolution. Scary man and not fit to be in power.
saxmanchiro 5 months ago
@saxmanchiro LMFAO... its my understanding that the majority of people dont believe in it. And that matters to you when it comes to a person leading a country? No one gives a fuck about that. theres more important things going on. But its people like you who are worried and concerned about things like evolution for whatever reason. You scared? grow up
aucaleb2 5 months ago
@aucaleb2 I bring up evolution only because of it's root importance to what Paul represents, his medical training. Anyone who has gone through that much education, and then denies something as pivotal as evolution to the very practice of medicine, should put up major red flags. As to the office of prez, yes, I agree it is not as powerful as Congress but look what Bush did while in office. Just having more fundies at the helm scares most nondelusional folks and gets us closer to Dominionism.
saxmanchiro 5 months ago
just finished reading f douglas's narrative of his life and he points out again and again how the sanctioning of slavery in the bible led to the most reprehensible treatment of "non-whites" because it justified their beliefs to do so. the slightly less christian slave owners were inhumane monsters as well but he points out repeatedly that the overtly religious ones took it to a whole other level of atrociousness. this is terrifying.....but not a surprise..
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therealaj123 6 months ago
Jack Cafferty is absolutely off the chart! Every time I listen to this man I respect him more and more!
If you know anything about Christianity's History, this is nothing new! It certainly is nothing new to the surviving Native Americans as it's the same logic that was applied when most East Coast Tribes were obliterated!
The guy at 3:23 is an ASS!
That said, many of the post 2nd Age of Awakening so-called Christian groups are out of their little godly minds!
MyRiseToHonor 6 months ago
@palatiality No its even worse than Sharia because Christians are actually practicing it in America, some guy was stoned to death by a fundamentalist Christian because the killer was under the impression that his victim was gay.
MadXMax187 6 months ago
@MadXMax187 So people in the middle east and now Europe kill for being disrespected or believing in Christianity, and Christianity is worse? These things go on all the time over there. All the time.
zakao34 6 months ago
Doesn't surprise me.
If you truly believe in god and the bible then religion and ruling the world go hand in hand, the church is the state.
Which is why all organized religions lead to nothing but strife.
PyROphantasie 6 months ago
@PyROphantasie accurately and discerningly stated, take care
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Every time you hear the words Tea Party, think EXTREME.
Boomer1949 6 months ago
And it starts!!!
doug47130 6 months ago
They may stand for the Dominion faith, however, their dominion policies still must pass congress and pass the judicial branch. Barack O'Bama is elected and can not get all of his stinkin' policies passed. Why would Perry or Bachmann?
zakao34 6 months ago
Well, talk about Sharia Law. This Christian movement has a lot more chance of coming to fruition in the USA! Geesh!
Woodchuck1949 6 months ago 3
Well, you guys. I am not a dominion. However, we do need God in our politics. Without God in our government, our country has been transformed into what it is now.
So for now, we need prayer. Prayer is needed for our country, and the leadership of this country. Without it we are lost.
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 while you pray, others will work to make this country better, just keep praying idiot
neverine2000 6 months ago
@neverine2000 Wow, something else many in our country has lost sight of, respect for others. Have some dignity dude.
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 respect what? your idea to pray the problems away? my dignity is very well intact now that I am calling out people who think prayer will save us.
neverine2000 6 months ago
@neverine2000 Well, ya know it will. You believe what you believe and I believe what I believe. It's that simple. That was insulting. What would have been calling out in a respectful way would've been, "I do not think prayer will solve the problems of this country."
It is funny though, ever since God has been slowly kicked out of our government and schools, our country has spiraled downward steadily.
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 That's laughable. God was never in the country. Thomas Paine was an atheist. The other were mere deists and the Treaty of Tripoli states under no uncertain terms is America a christian nation and they put the separation from church and government to be secular. So you need to do some homework for yourself
splicedenergy 6 months ago
@splicedenergy
George Washington: christian
Alexander Hamilton: "I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."
Thomas Jefferson: "I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 See treaty of tripoli. Quote mining is not an argument.
splicedenergy 6 months ago
@zakao34 1. How can we kick an all powerful god out of anything? 2. During the dark ages we had nothing but religion controlling everything and in everything, hardly a better time to live then now. you reap the benefits of a modern industrialized, scientific, and technological society, yet want to pray, when we know that there are more reasonable solutions to the issues in our countries. how about communication with one another instead of higher powers that don't answer back?
neverine2000 6 months ago
@neverine2000 By the way, there is a big difference between the Dark ages religion and the Christian faith. Christian faith does not mean that Christians run all, it means that those in power who believe in Christ shall pray and do what He wants, not what they think..
zakao34 6 months ago
@zakao34 How can an all powerful all knowing god be kicked out of anywhere by humans unless he wanted to be? Its been scientifically proven praying doesnt solve anything.
qualityrkc 6 months ago
@qualityrkc Scientifically, huh...do me a favor and find the empirical evidence you are citing here proving that prayer does not solve anything. I'll be waiting.
BRexxors 6 months ago
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@qualityrkc Where is your proof?
It has not been proven.
zakao34 6 months ago
these people had never heard of dominionism? shit, they should pull their heads out of their "I cover politics and world events for cnn, I'm the center of the world" asses.
godthisisannoying 6 months ago
If this is true, then no sensible person should vote for Bachmann or Perry. Unfortunately, there aren't that many sensible people left in many parts of the country, so both Bachmann and Perry are guaranteed many votes. I always find it odd that diehard Christians believe in a supernatural God, who can perform miracles that no man can stop, and they still see the need to use government as an instrument to elicit the change they want. I guess they have less faith than they profess.
alphacause 6 months ago
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alphacause 6 months ago
Christianity is the harlot that rides the Islamic beast!
MrNoogz 6 months ago
terrified, scared, worried. Pulleeez America would be pretty similar whoever wins I'm sure.
Antisyncretism 6 months ago
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CHRISTIAN CALIPHATE & THE NEW CRUSADES STARTED BY CHRISTIAN AL-QAEDA DOMINIONIST ZIONIST ARMAGEDDON OLD-TESTAMENT-THEOCRACY FASCIST EXTREMISTS=THE REAL THREAT TO HUMAN FREEDOM
prospect. org/csnc/blogs/adam_serwer_archive?month=08&year=2011&base_name=dont_call_it_a_caliphate
americablog. com/2011/08/do-bachmann-and-perry-think-non.html
sott. net/articles/show/233573-Dominionism-A-dangerous-Christian-movement-influencing-Michele-Bachmann-and-Rick-Perry-
caffertyfile.blogs.cnn. com/2011/08/17/17612
halcyon0830 6 months ago
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halcyon0830 6 months ago
I don't mean to defend them but I highly doubt they are associated with that group. Just more drama causing rumors straight from a crazy Hollywood goggle vision tabloid. Again, I don't mean to defend them. I hate their very existence, but I hate lies and rumors even more.
sigmundbalmung 6 months ago
@sigmundbalmung Yeah, I was wondering about this myself. I can't stand Michelle Bachmann, and Rick Perry is a tool. But I like to have resource material to check out before taking any claim seriously. And I haven't been able to find a credible source that can validate these claims. If anybody can point me in the right direction, I'd really appreciate it.
jboyko3 6 months ago
@sigmundbalmung Why do you doubt they are associated with that group.
Rachel Maddow like her or hate her... did a 9 minute long segment that should prove anybody that they the dominions are tightly linked to Rick Perry
izaccy 6 months ago
All they're doing is trying to win over the evangelical belt as false shepherds. It's an act. Just like Bush and his God references was an act. Just like Obama's progressive stance was an act to fool liberals and progressives. These are political actors or sales people. It's all very simple.
seanlaca 6 months ago
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The Christian Crusades and Inquisition and Holocaust and Holodomer and Most War Deaths of the Modern Era, all of these are the Creations of Christians. Christians Slaughtered BILLIONS of people on Earth for Christian Ideology.
AMERICA BY ITSELF HAS SLAUGHTERED MORE THAN 30 MILLION CIVILIANS, AND THOSE WERE SLAUGHTERED BY CHRISTIANS.
24/7, Christians commit Murders, Terrorism, Serious Crimes, Spree Killing, Robbery, Clinic Bombings, War Crimes, Beheadings, Drones, Media NEVER blames Christianity.
halcyon0830 6 months ago
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HOW COME CHRISTIAN USA NEVER HAS TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE IT HAS SLAUGHTERED IN ALL THE TERROR IT WAGED.
USA KILLED MILLIONS OF INDIANS & MILLIONS OF INNOCENT IN IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LATIN & SOUTH AMERICA, VIETNAM, JAPAN, EUROPE, GERMANY, PAKISTAN, MIDDLE EAST, EVERYONE ISRAEL HAS SLAUGHTERED WAS KILLED WITH USA WEAPONS. USA KILLS 30 MILLION.
informationclearinghouse. info/article4068.htm (USA Kills 6 MILLION)
bellaciao. org/en/spip. php?article19805 (USA Kills 11 MILLION)
halcyon0830 6 months ago
Christianity has been a speed bump for every nation in the world, religion should be tossed by the wayside.
TheAtheistHominid 6 months ago
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Sometimes CNN can be spineless or incompetent. Other times, they're one of the best examples of what journalism should be. This is one of the latter examples.
BigD1987 6 months ago
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maokly1 6 months ago
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@maokly1
She is a Christian Zionist Pro-Armageddon Old-Testament-World-Theocracy Dominionist (More Right-Wing and Insane and Pro-Israeli than Netanyahu or Lieberman)
dailykos. com/story/2011/06/02/981444/-Israel-and-Bachmanns-Misguided-Christian-Zionism
halcyon0830 6 months ago
@maokly1 Not a Jew but she is an isreali firster and would be 1st in line to launch a war against Iran if/ when something happens.
dreamwhileyousleep 6 months ago
@dreamwhileyousleep And that is a bad thing?
zakao34 6 months ago
Bachmann & Perry, the Christian Taliban.
gsuitter 6 months ago
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BIBLE
Kill friends/family worshipping a God who is different than your own. [Deuteronomy13:6-10]
“If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both have done the detestable. They must be put to death” [Leviticus20:13]
“Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed” [Exodus22:20]
"Blessed shall he be who takes your child and dashes them against the rock!" [Psalm137:9]
"If a man commits adultery with a wife, both adulterer & adulteress must be put to death." [Leviti20:10]
halcyon0830 6 months ago
Bachmann is not associated with Dominion theology. She talks about her devotion to Israel, and this is not part of Dominion theology. Whoever posted this just doesn't like Bachmann or is just ignorant. I don't know where Perry stands.
ACORNSUCKS 6 months ago
Fascist Zionist Dominionist Pro-Armageddon Theocrats Perry & Bachman (Both Believe Christian Theocracy MUST TAKE OVER USA & ALL EARTH, Israel TO BE GIVEN EVERYTHING, for the Apocalypse Horsemen & Start of Armageddon)
thedailybeast. com/articles/2011/08/14/dominionism-michele-bachmann-and-rick-perry-s-dangerous-religious-bond.html
original.antiwar. com/giraldi/2011/08/03/rick-perry-abuses-his-office-for-israel
dailykos. com/story/2011/06/02/981444/-Israel-and-Bachmanns-Misguided-Christian-Zionism
halcyon0830 6 months ago
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@halcyon0830 You are clueless.
ACORNSUCKS 6 months ago
What hole have Blitzer and Cafferty been living in that they never heard of Dominionism?
PJDolan1 6 months ago
This is scary stuff! Pls. vote Ron Paul!
edeneating 6 months ago
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OH
PETER
KING
WHERE
ARE
YOU ??
THIS TYPE OF CHRISTIAN THEOCRACY TERRORISM AND FORCED FASCISM TO OVERTHROW AMERICA AND ALL GOVERNMENT OF THIS WORLD AND INSTALL A ONE WORLD CHRISTIAN ZIONIST ARMAGEDDON THEOCRACY DOES NOT SCARE YOU ??
halcyon0830 6 months ago
Perry and Bachmann will implement a satanic totalitarian one-world government if they get their way!
RickyCaldwellXFlame 6 months ago
Dominionism? Fascism? Same difference.
mrbhave 6 months ago
LMAO, Their heads are to far up Jesus's ass.
energyparticle 6 months ago
I'm a lot more concerned with Zionism which affects the whole globe versus some moronic micro cult.
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kmg501 6 months ago
Anyone surprised to hear this is a little naive. Perry is the anti-christ, Bokbokman is as delusional as they come. If either of these fascists becomes president, expect a free ticket to the camps, because that's where any of us here are headed.
MartianStories 6 months ago
Godwin's rule
silverpairaducks 6 months ago
i fuckin love jack!that dude tells the truth and never holds back probably why he can never get mainstream politicians on his shows..
jondoe1985 6 months ago
so do jews.. ask blitzer
Hauteur723 6 months ago
@SUCKITHARD02 lol, you're not smart enough to take over anything. like i said i'm concerned about those two idiots, but i am concerned that there are stupid people like you who believe such bullshit!
better watch out that your own personal armageddon catch up with you, then you will have reaped your just rewards!
wntoply6 6 months ago
Wow! All the more reason to vote Ron Paul 2012!
lb8825 6 months ago
Sounds like what the Jews believe.
wipemysmile 6 months ago 2
I don't want some crazy relig-tard in the white house.
khamdoun 6 months ago
there both freak ass loosers, this country needs Neither...
Urgearhead 6 months ago
This is more proof that hardcore Christians like Bachmann and Perry are just as bad as hardcore Muslims.
cne08 6 months ago 2
Christian yet wanting to impose the laws of the Old Testament? Christianity is about the New Testament. The Old Testament is Judaism.
riethc 6 months ago 2
jewish Zionism, any kind of "ism", it's all the jews.
Xianman06 6 months ago
@Xianman06 All jews are not to blame for this zionist shite, dude.
kaxitaksi 6 months ago 2
This is scary shite.. religion+governing does not add up. As long as ppl vote for these crazy bags they have the country they deserve and the looting of them will never end.
kaxitaksi 6 months ago
Bullshit, Perry has his nose so far up Israel's ass it stinks. He openly serves Jews.
Xianman06 6 months ago
Christians are worried that muslims , by way of reproduction and immigration , will take over the world before their eyes and within their lifetime... bush started the war and christians carry the crusade till this day... this dominionism is just under the surface of the core reason for the churches existance....
jesterua67 6 months ago
what pisses me off most isn't that these 2 politicians are religious nuts or dominionists, but that there are god damned ignorant, intolerant, bigoted, fear mongering true assholes in this country who'll vote for them.
and too damn bad if you "christians" take issue with much deserved ad hominems directed at you. your beliefs & actions do more damage to countless people in so many ways, than a few simple insults could ever do.
so to all damn "christian" dominionists ignorant bigots, F*#K YOU!
wntoply6 6 months ago 2
would you believe anything from the "daily beast"? the whole topic is absurd distraction to keep you focused on these phony candidates to create the same cult of personality (luciferian) that got obama (the one) elected. wake up all the gop candidates are frauds. we should demand better or take appropriate action.
up2space 6 months ago
Bachmann is an idiot and Perry is Bush on steroids!
Ron Paul 2012!
l3road 6 months ago
Funny - Peter King is spear heading an effort to uncover Muslim infiltration of public life and attempts to overthrow the secular republic from within...oh the irony...
RemoveYourChains 6 months ago
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CHRISTIAN AL-QAEDA WANTS TO TAKE OVER AMERICA AND THE EARTH.
halcyon0830 6 months ago
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Texas Gov. has hydro fracked most of his state and would work against EARTH.
We need to PROTECT the AIR, WATER and SOIL for all generations to come.
PERRY wants a nuclear dump site for Texas if he has his way....We the People
demand NO NUKES and NO FLUKES.
Help those in Japan recover from the NUCLEAR NIGHTMARE cast upon them by the military industrial corporate complex. PEACE NOW and FOREVER.
We need to invest in RENEWABLE ENERGY for the benefit of all of HUMANKIND.
OnenessNow 6 months ago
This country shouldn't be electing leaders with religious background. All leaders should be either atheist or agnostic. Period.
And i agree with Pat from New Jersey.
Stingerbillion 6 months ago
CHRISTIAN SHARIA LAW
xephyr1000 6 months ago
Global warming, evolution, big bang theory false. Noah's Ark, Jonah and the whale, virgin birth, walking on water, all literally, factually true.
Check.
VernonKrudlik 6 months ago
@VernonKrudlik lol
Stingerbillion 6 months ago
@VernonKrudlik You left off "talking snakes and asses. Unicorns, Satyrs, Giants, Dragons and more" all listed in the Bible.
xephyr1000 6 months ago
@smartwarlord... you know who else was an anti-Semite?
butchermachine 6 months ago
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Fascist Zionist Pro-Armageddon Rick Perry & Michelle Bachmann (Both Believe Christian Theocracy MUST TAKE OVER USA and ALL OF EARTH, Israel WILL BE GIVEN EVERYTHING, for the Apocalypse Horseman & Start of Armageddon)
thedailybeast. com/articles/2011/08/14/dominionism-michele-bachmann-and-rick-perry-s-dangerous-religious-bond.html
original.antiwar. com/giraldi/2011/08/03/rick-perry-abuses-his-office-for-israel
dailykos. com/story/2011/06/02/981444/-Israel-and-Bachmanns-Misguided-Christian-Zionism
halcyon0830 6 months ago
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Rick Perry's Goal is to Overthrow the USA Government and ALL Positions in the Government and Replace America with a Christian Theocracy bent on Converting others and Preparing for the Armageddon (The Four Horsemen will come out of Israel), and Rick is willing to give Everything USA has to Israel, so he could prepare for Armageddon. Rick only cares about World Christian Theocracy, Israel & Armageddon.
religiondispatches. org/dispatches/sarahposner/4874/rick_perry_and_the_new_apostolic_reformation
halcyon0830 6 months ago
The Dominion almost destroyed the Federation.
myriadcorp 6 months ago 18
@myriadcorp HA!
;-]
luisdez81 6 months ago
i can hear the zionists chuckling over this "Dominionism" and its adherents.
mispistoleros 6 months ago
Ok ... one last remark:
When I think about a world where Bachmann, Perry, Palin, Romney, Santorum, et al. ... or, even Barry Soetero is President in 2012, it makes me hope that comet ELEnin would just hit us already and get it over with.
grizzzlyjoe 6 months ago