Leung Ting teaching fighterman springing force applications

[gercekcommander]

huge arms altough he is at his 60s :D

[Ninjaboy8]

Maybe we have different definitions of springiness. My definition is the ability to take a force e.g. when someone punches against a bong, my bong gets pushed back a bit then springs back forward. Or when you are pushing towards somenes center and they suddenly move a limb away and your arm springs forward to a punch.

This is developed well by two people giving each other forward pressure in chi sau (forward pressure is not to be confused with muscular tension - arms are relaxed)

[TheExpressoKid]

@Ninjaboy8 : The Bong is a transition between two techniques, not a technique itself. The bong exist for a split second before transforming into something else. This is the reason for the "spring" explanation. The Bong is where you have have the option to change shift between the positive and negative energy - and redirect it obviously. It is possibly the most difficult "sao" to understand...

[Ninjaboy8]

@TheExpressoKid

Yep, I agree that its a transitional move. But in that sense all positions are transitional. But to be more specific, if you were to hold you bong out (not saying that you should or would) and someone pushes against it, there should be some spring in the elbow joint. It should also be able to hold a lot of force without tensing up. And that is not just the bong. That dynamic should be the same whether it is a tan, fok or whatever.

[TheExpressoKid]

@Ninjaboy8 : Yes. I won't disagree with you, although the Bong is activated differently than the Tan. Hence the energy needs to be handled differently through the body. But also remember that energy goes two ways. If you're rotated, the energy you have is the negative to the opponents energy, with the same values. We are dealing with at least to forms of energy running through our body at the same time.

[Ninjaboy8]

@TheExpressoKid

If these positions cant hold force, then you cant learn how to redirect force to your feet. If you are always redirecting force or moving out of the way of it, theres no way you can develop this skill.

[Ninjaboy8]

@Ninjaboy8

Im not sure what you mean. What do you mean by negative energy and positive energy? Are you talking about forward movement or energy as opposed to a retreating type movement?

[TheExpressoKid]

@Ninjaboy8 : Same definition of "spring" we have. So far so good. ;) I think mechanics can explain this. It depend on where your center of mass is located at the time force is applied to the bong. Sometime the bong doesn't "spring", but moves to where it is needed due to friction of the applied movement. Like in mechanics, we deal with several energies at the same time which are directed depending on how the foreign object is applied and where.

[Ninjaboy8]

Ive studied WT and they didnt practice springiness in class and I cant see it in that video. Springiness comes from forward pressure. WT doesnt seem to use that they want to redirect everything.

In WT they want you to think forward. But if you have springiness and forward pressure, you dont need to think, when the opponents hand is taken away, your hand just goes forward before you even realize it. Its an unconscious rather than conscious.

[fightermanizdebest]

@Ninjaboy8 springiness cerftainly does not come from forward pressure

[seraph101]

Leung Ting wing tsun is basically crap. Sad to say I wasted many years training it.

[Nhia89]

@seraph101 maybe its not the wing chun, maybe its just him. what lienage are you from if i may ask?

[TheExpressoKid]

@seraph101 : Sorry to hear that. It could be that you have had a bogus teacher. There is a lot of WT bogus teachers out there giving WT a bad name.

[hongkongboy23]

Great one!

[criceto]

How strong was LT?

[mofotox]

Da same principles apply to Leung Thug's hoes: When da ho comes, retain her. When da ho leaves, walk her out. When da ho detaches, rush straight forward!!!! Brah ha ha ha!!!!!!

[fightermanizdebest]

@mofotox hahahaha funny as always motofox, good to hear from you

[mofotax]

@mofotox When the whore gets pregnant...

...time for DIY abortion - kick the bitch in the tummy!

[noholdsbarredbl]

Is leung tings, wing chun better than wong shun leungs?

[hongkongboy23]

@noholdsbarredbl

I ve studied both and imo the Wong Shun Leung's system is way better.

[hongkongboy23]

@noholdsbarredbl

Leung Ting himself is pretty good tho, but his teaching system is rip off and a lot of his instructors aren't that good at all.

[TheExpressoKid]

@noholdsbarredbl : What makes the difference is you - not the style. You may learn concepts faster in the Ip Chun path, than in the LT path, but what apply to you, may not apply to everyone else. Wing Chun is you - not the branch.

[LetsReason]

I appreciate seeing someone I respect as a practitioner showing humility to another in the same art. Thank you Fighterman.