Saw this on a documentary, it was shot on Agfacolour for a propaganda film from what they said. (It looked much better than this) As to the pilot exposing his 6 o'clock, the wingman couldn't shoot for fear of hitting his wing leader.
Isnt this footage taken from the show they do in the little VR pod on a trailer they tow around to airshows? I know Ive heard this narration before and seen a thing titlting on hydraulic rams on a trailer.... must look pretty good in a VR tilting 'pit'... Nice one uploader.
@Hanglands Your one of the few that gets this right. Yes there was a little fibreglass pod that 2 people could sit in and watch 3 short movies ..The normal was Battle of Britian, F1 racers and Roller coaster madness You were closed in and with the picture rolling Hydraulics moved it so it gave it a real effect
I think the leader is Mark Hanna in buchon G-BOML, the aircraft he was later to be killed in, and the spitfire maybe MH434, after looking at the colour schemes of the two aircraft I would say it was done in 1992/3 hope this helps :)
The 109 leader's plane is using a Merlin engine. It is clearly noticeable that the exhaust ports are too high and not square. I suspect the 109 may be either a Spitfire with German markings or a Spanish 109 used here. Possible extra footage from the making the 1969 film "Battle of Britain." Love it.
three things that are perfect...a beautiful, multi-orgasmic woman who can cook, pilsner urquell, and a spitfire. other things might come close, but not perfect.
a simulator ride There was 3 of them Spitfire Pilot, Coaster, F1 racer. and yeah it was rare That both sides were flying that low to begin with .. Alt and speed were life ..without it you were a sitting duck
this, was a good dogfight, but a stupid 1. The spitfires don't Understand about "energy" or advanced comabt manouvres. all they did was quarter roll left and right. they strangely let the 109's come in from the top. they shouldve flipped back and scissored the meschersmitts. while dropping some altitude so they dont lose too much speed.
A fight like that was said to have happened during the last days of the war here in Norway, the English plane was shot down and the pilot took an emergency landing on a frozen lake, Osvatnet. The plane broke through the ice and sunk, but the pilot was rescued by locals. The plane was never recovered, but is said to still be there on the bottom of Osvatnet. But it cant be a Spitfire if that only has fuel for 5 mins of fighting. And what was he doing there at all? A bomber perhaps?
@KapteinOpel Hmmm... maybe, being that it was in the last days of the war, the Spit was flying from a forward located field, one close to the front and your country???
The aircraft you refer to could have been a Photo Reconnaissance Spitfire (PR Spitfire). These variants were stripped of guns and armor and fitted with additional internal fuel tanks which gave them a 2,000 mile range.
Some later model PR Spitfires retained two .303 machine guns.
They could fly far and very high and fast, but were vulnerable if the mission called for dropping to low altitudes for better a better resolution - the pilot often distracted while he filmed the ground.
@Merlin2Stage2Speed I dont know, but they said there was a fight. Anyway the plane is still there, and probably sunk into the peat at the bottom so its good preserved. A friend of mine said he caught it on sonar @ abt 30 ft depht. Another friend of mine is a diver, and said it shouldnt be too difficult rescuing it. It should be intact, remember he landed on the ice.. I just wonder if finders keepers, or if the government confiscates it...
Only 30 ft down - your friend is right, it shouldn't be too difficult to bring it back up. Would be interesting to know exactly what it is and yes it would seem that landing the way he did, it's likely it's all largely intact!
Whether the government would lay claim to it or not would possibly come under your country's salvage laws - it'd pay to check them out.
Might also pay to let vintage aircraft restoration companies in Europe know about your find! Good luck!
No really, no tactics. They stay in line still under attack and firing, too stupid for humans, are AI. Under firing immediatly they break one right and one left to engage enemy.
I saw this on discovery channel about 12 years ago they said it was genuine and shot on agfacolour film on a cinematic camera of the time, and it was shot for training purposes according to the show, it is increasingly hard to tell whats real and whats not but pretty sure it is genuine. I am a photographer by profession and while that doesnt make me an expert on cinematics the colour caste is pure agfa hope this helps
Everything Ive read says it had fuel for 10 minutes over London which was about 15mins from the coast so agreed from that point of view but in a dogfight endurance for both planes deteriorated rapidly
Reanactment! Just a recunstruction of a "might have happend dogfight or how it could have looked like when they fought back in that battle of brittain thing" Got it or??? How dificult is that to understand??
The wingman didnt see him cut in, and once he had shooting is out of the question for fear of hitting his wing leader, and camera technology was a lot better then than you think, German cinema was a match for the best tech in Hollywood at the time. Wizard of Oz 1936 would give you an idea of how advanced it was
Is this footage real? No Finger 4? Spit jumping in between line astern 109's? Seems a very stupid thing to do....If it is real, this is incredible footage... Seems a bit suss to me though.
The Spitfire is a better defensive airplane. It could out turn the Me 109. But the FW 190 could out perform the Spitfire V. And...if you keep climbing and diving with full throttle, you will only have 5 minutes. Also, fuel consumption is vary at sea level and high attitude...
Me-109E-4 or E-3 could fight up to 20 minutes over London - after this time had to back to own airfiled
In October 1940 - entered a new model of Me-109 -> E7 model with external fuel tank - an Me-109 could fight over London area over 20 minutes. And of course - external fuel tank - increase a range of Me-109 obviously. But this technical solution could not help German pilots regain advantage.
In terms of tactics, I see a lot of reactions like "they would never engage like that" or "They never flew this low" .
Well, if you would pay attention to what the WWII veterans have to say, you would realize that in a dogfight there is no "never".
The ones that survived were the ones with the better situational awareness - in other words, those that would would see the enemy before the enemy saw them. The outcome was then based on pilot ability, not by the plane type!
'Me 109s only had enough fuel for 5 mins combat over england ...' ?? don't think so .
the book : Invasion 1940 by derek robinson is a well researched book which suggests pretty convincingly that 'victory' in the battle of britain did NOT prevent operation Sealion , it was the existance of the Royal Navy that was the main obstacle , and the channel itself.
One can't win a land battle without control of the air. This has been proven time and again in WWII. The Luftwaffe failed to gain this in the battle of Britain.
I've heard all sorts of figures as to how long the Bf109 had over London, anywhere from 5 minutes to 20 minutes.
@redzzed and the sheer logistics needed to place German divisions on Britain. Germany didnt have a navy big enough to protect the number of transports needed to ferry troops across the channel. Both air forces in 1940 were roughly equal in capability (IMO). The 109 & Spitfire were both constantly improved upon throughout the war & were each other's nemesis. The spitfire could outturn the 109 but the 109 could outclimb the spitfire.
@woz30 i believe the early war 109s the E and F models were both faster in a straight line then a spit aswell not by much but enuff for em to disengage. The spits just held there E alot better in a dogfight
in real war time battle spits and 109's would NEVER fly that low ..rule 1 always had a advanage over your enemy being higher the him wou give you the drop on him ..you can change alt for speed when u dive and climb back up hit or miss
Again radar was in the early stages at war end germans never cared to try to avoid it or knew how ..most runs were bombing runs ..bombers are slow eazy to hit with AA and low alt's and ran with fighter esocrts high to avoid AA why would you send 2 low flying fighters against a whole country and low to avoid radar
Since i dont see any bombers in the video it seems that its only a recon mission, german used to do that in the earlys 40. And its just ike that, 2 fighters againts a whole country at day but at night it would look more like 100 bombers against a shole country. :P
possibly this scenario could occur if there was an initial encounter at higher altitude and the spits dove to escape but couldn't, and were reduced to weaving about with no place else to go - ?
um i dont know what people are yelling about but its much more affective to do what erich hartmann did he would not open fire untill he was really close. just like his famous quote ; wait till the enemy fills the entire windscreen then you cant possubly miss
the most highes in the BoB were by 6000m+, thats right, but only the bombardements
often single planes or, like here, a "rotte" is flying alone over the channel to test st. or to reconnoiter...and this happend often in such highes :-)
Hartmann was relgious about avoiding dogfights, generally always pulling gun run tactics. Thats why he killed numerous times and virtually never got shot down himself.
Oi listen up Yanks, this is as close to a dogfight in the Battle of Britain as you could possibly get! What the fuck do you mean, its so fuking propaganda?
Luftwaffe pilots were more experianced than the RAF but this is propaganda how exactly?
you see when you are in school they make you think they care. then when you leave they couldnt careless in a years so time' in a bedsit or streets they couldnt careless if you cut your thoat
This peice of film was made about 15 years ago by the old flying machine co, it was made for the flight sim at duxford. I remember them filming this as I live in the area; pilots are ray and mark hanna...
A lot of people turn up of here that seem pissed of the germans lost ,well tough and thank god this world ain't perfect but their world would have been hell !, they may have had the best this and that but they were beaten and by men according to" Wermacht " lovers with poor equipment and training !! hmm odd that we must have outnumbered them as always? oh by the way if we didn't shoot them out of the sky then what accounts for all the german losses ? flu?
You should know that all german losses were down to either sabotage by of the aircraft by Judeo/Bolsheviks or the pilots being distracted by knocking one out over saucey pictures of strength through joy frauleins doing gymnastics . Its the only way that the masterrace and their wunder weapons could have lost out to the decadent democracy's and degenerate Slav's in their primitive machines ......
I am fed up with these clips that tell you how the USAF and RAF blew the hell out of the Luftwaffe. Luftwaffe had the best of the aces and the top scoring aces were all Germans. Where are the clips of the heroics of Erich Hartmann in youtube?! well all you can see is some tribute. This is ridiculous.
These engagements are so carefully picked by the makers of the program that a Swedish historian Niklas Zetterling said that it is like looking at the Finnish Winter War as the Russian artillery barrages that preceeded the attacks.
It would be a bit like: The Finns were no match for the raining metal and then stop the story right there and not mention the following slaughtering of Soviet soldiers attacking.
These programs are a bit like that, focus only on the few lucky engagements.
how come germans wingman was not hit instead of leaders...
and low level freejag. was not at all right right too low more like 4 000 ft. the spits didnt split up..and did not turn towards jerrys..yet jerrys did. why run from attackers.?. 5 min fuel is not right 20 min at more over london 10 min.
basiciclly me 109s units were moved to calis aera from sept 4th 40/ for 7th /9 attacks on london. so yeh 10 min over london and 30 min coasts if you watch film BOB 1969. at end see fighters peel off .fuel was low.
Beause the leader has more experience at shooting down Spitfire's than the wingman making him a higher priority and also the pilot of the Spitfire would know that the wingman would not shoot when when the Spitfire was infront of him as he could hit his leader and being inexperienced the chance is higher that he would hit his leader.
Wingmen were usually inexperienced at the time and without the leader they have no clue what to do other than run or get shot out of the sky without there leader giving the them tacticts.
well how do you know when a staffel was on a run if on his own IE leader they did have expirenced wingmen flying like this vid did, but one mistake this vid was 1 they are flying low too low
2 novice pilots would be in a sqn strength.
3 if training was done the leader would watch out for ace RAF pilots.
if it was real i think the inexs ! pilots would be in a aera were there were less fighters about say isle of wight or a mid channel coast france side.waiting for a lame duck. there were some that did fly too close to france.and shot down.
if you implying the other RAF pilot saw him make mistake .then decides he his a novice well not really german pilots were chiverlus lot no butchers nor no ((NAZI's,sic) then going home ,gets the leader. wrong the RAF pilot wouldnt follow 2 me 109's.incase of ambush.
well most germans never shot a Lame duck.. that was on fire!! ie wingman.germans. so RAF pilot would never know.then why did leader not watch 2rd spit go...
Is'nt the designation ME 109 incorrect? I thought that because the 109 was manufactured by Bayerische Flugzeugwerke the correct desination for the aircraft is Bf 109.
But not which they could use to commuicate to other pilots. Only back to command. This is a real video, not computer animation. It is used in a flight simulator you can ride in at most airshows in the UK
eh all aircraft about 10 years after world war 1 had radios to communicate with one another. They learned that hand signals werent the best in the air.
yes, it seems like a F or an early G, but it was the E that fought the battle of britain. also the spitfires seem to be MK V or so, but MKII and MKI fought in battle of britain.
Looks more like a "Buchon", a Spanish license built of the Bf109G with either a Hispano Suiza engine of 1300hp or a Merlin engine of 1600hp. Looks closely at the cowling, doesnt seem as streamlined as the Friedrich
sardosfish is right ,if you look closely you can see the exhaust pipes at the top of the cowling thus it has a Merlin engine not a DB inverted V12.Spanish built Buchon 109's.
that`s an amazing video, it`s so real!, but it is real or not? I´m from Argentina, and I`m very happy of those who loves the WW2 aircrafts,in stead of not had taken part of the war,whe had the 164 argentine-british squadron(RAF), and had some voluntaries heroes.bye!see you soon
Z.O.M.G!!!!!! De javu I went on a ride simulator at the Duxford airshow yesterday and it played this movie when you go on the simulator it shakes and you feel really disorientated form the dark and the dizziness after
there are not bf 109,infact have a merlin traditional v engine,daimler benz have reverse v engine!this is spanish production and have a roll royce engine.
I know!!! The balls on that pilot to dive right in front of the wingman! What a totall wuss that German wingman is. His inexperience cost the lead 109 his life.
Hey Dragon you like your spam crunchy or eldente? Besides a tremendous global team effort and the fact that hitler thought himself as good a tactician as motivational speaker we'd be speaking german.
I'm not Italian, I'm not scot, and not hate England. I am Brazilian and my comment is my opnião and I got right to opnar, you like or not correct? Need not agree, just respect it ... So, still think that the pilots of the Luftwaffe were always better however, used the wrong strategy Mr.darkmossie633 ...
reading the comments I see some ppl saying that the wingman was trying to protect his leader, but in order to protect him he should be flying by his side, so he could see the spit aproaching the leader and turn into the spit, the in line formation they were flying could have have them both killed if the spit pilot would have aproached from behind and shot down the wing man and then the leader, they wouldnt have known what hit them. no fighter pilot would be flying like that.
2 mistakes from the spitfire: by placing himself in the middle of the 2 109s he could have been shotdown by the wingman and second he lost the chance of a double kill, he should have aproached and try to shot down both 109s one after the other. the 109s shouldnt be flying one in front of the other, as this formation doesnt allow the pilots to watch each other´s six, that´s why the leader was shot down, they should fly side by side. this is CGI for sure.
if the wingman did shoot, he would have to be a mighty fine shot, considering he could hit his wingman, once he hits the spit or the spitfire sees he's being fired upon, he could duck out, and the wingman would hit his leader.
and if the wingman was inexperienced the shot would of been harder.
"109s have fuel only for 5mins combat over england"
This is simply not true 109s have fuel for 5mins of combat OVER LONDON. The cliffs of Dover are clearly visible in this vid. These 109s have at least 50% fuel. Especially if they did not climb to the usual 12000 feet
Love the way this was pieced together, simple straightforward information, always in the moment. None of the rediculous frills you see on American tv, where it's so cut and frilled up you can hardly tell what's going on. Well done!
Saw this on a documentary, it was shot on Agfacolour for a propaganda film from what they said. (It looked much better than this) As to the pilot exposing his 6 o'clock, the wingman couldn't shoot for fear of hitting his wing leader.
forr3st32 1 month ago
I recognise this footage, It's not real, I saw it in a motion simulator about a year ago, not sure where though, possibly at farnbrough.
DominatorD1 1 month ago
Great video... this is what youtube is for! Just keep hitting 2:35 , watch for a bit and then hit 2:35 again.
Hanglands 2 months ago
SIEG ENGLAND!
richardburns1560 2 months ago
Very nice video, but no fighter pilot in the world will put his 6 o'clock in front of an enemy.
waal74 3 months ago
@waal74 Why not? His wingman could not shoot...
btellado 6 days ago
2:28 LOL!!!
elliott7531 3 months ago
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elliott7531 3 months ago
5 minutes over England?!?! Totally suicidal!
norseleague 5 months ago
the best part of this video was when the spitfire came out of no where and shoot down the me109
eoin730 7 months ago
that is the best battle video about ww2 I have ever seen !
thank u bro for this video !
TRschwarzesonne 9 months ago 3
not piece of cake..2000 show.
terryjohn 9 months ago
FRom the Brit TV series....'Pieces of cake'!!!!!
johnnythelowery 10 months ago
and the 109's were spainsh
timberwolf7102james 1 year ago
Isnt this footage taken from the show they do in the little VR pod on a trailer they tow around to airshows? I know Ive heard this narration before and seen a thing titlting on hydraulic rams on a trailer.... must look pretty good in a VR tilting 'pit'... Nice one uploader.
Hanglands 1 year ago
@Hanglands Your one of the few that gets this right. Yes there was a little fibreglass pod that 2 people could sit in and watch 3 short movies ..The normal was Battle of Britian, F1 racers and Roller coaster madness You were closed in and with the picture rolling Hydraulics moved it so it gave it a real effect
timberwolf7102james 1 year ago
Showscan, Very good,. Jim
tubin12341 1 year ago
I think the leader is Mark Hanna in buchon G-BOML, the aircraft he was later to be killed in, and the spitfire maybe MH434, after looking at the colour schemes of the two aircraft I would say it was done in 1992/3 hope this helps :)
nissanskylinegtrrule 1 year ago
the 109 at the front is a buchon. at first i tought this footage was all computer generated.
ripmax333 1 year ago
The 109 leader's plane is using a Merlin engine. It is clearly noticeable that the exhaust ports are too high and not square. I suspect the 109 may be either a Spitfire with German markings or a Spanish 109 used here. Possible extra footage from the making the 1969 film "Battle of Britain." Love it.
Curved1714 1 year ago
three things that are perfect...a beautiful, multi-orgasmic woman who can cook, pilsner urquell, and a spitfire. other things might come close, but not perfect.
dantemike1 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
a simulator ride There was 3 of them Spitfire Pilot, Coaster, F1 racer. and yeah it was rare That both sides were flying that low to begin with .. Alt and speed were life ..without it you were a sitting duck
freakyflow 1 year ago
this, was a good dogfight, but a stupid 1. The spitfires don't Understand about "energy" or advanced comabt manouvres. all they did was quarter roll left and right. they strangely let the 109's come in from the top. they shouldve flipped back and scissored the meschersmitts. while dropping some altitude so they dont lose too much speed.
pipotinototo 1 year ago
@pipotinototo gotta remember most of the pilost were young and innexperienced since they were all getting killed all the time.
straighttailpilot 1 year ago
@straighttailpilot hehehehe thats true. 15 year olds flying planes ^^
pipotinototo 1 year ago
@pipotinototo lol. true true. I remember on a documentary that a B-17 Bomber pilot was 17 years old and could fly but couldnt get a drivers liscence
straighttailpilot 1 year ago
A fight like that was said to have happened during the last days of the war here in Norway, the English plane was shot down and the pilot took an emergency landing on a frozen lake, Osvatnet. The plane broke through the ice and sunk, but the pilot was rescued by locals. The plane was never recovered, but is said to still be there on the bottom of Osvatnet. But it cant be a Spitfire if that only has fuel for 5 mins of fighting. And what was he doing there at all? A bomber perhaps?
KapteinOpel 1 year ago
@KapteinOpel Hmmm... maybe, being that it was in the last days of the war, the Spit was flying from a forward located field, one close to the front and your country???
stealthy2 1 year ago
@KapteinOpel
The aircraft you refer to could have been a Photo Reconnaissance Spitfire (PR Spitfire). These variants were stripped of guns and armor and fitted with additional internal fuel tanks which gave them a 2,000 mile range.
Some later model PR Spitfires retained two .303 machine guns.
They could fly far and very high and fast, but were vulnerable if the mission called for dropping to low altitudes for better a better resolution - the pilot often distracted while he filmed the ground.
Merlin2Stage2Speed 1 year ago
@Merlin2Stage2Speed I dont know, but they said there was a fight. Anyway the plane is still there, and probably sunk into the peat at the bottom so its good preserved. A friend of mine said he caught it on sonar @ abt 30 ft depht. Another friend of mine is a diver, and said it shouldnt be too difficult rescuing it. It should be intact, remember he landed on the ice.. I just wonder if finders keepers, or if the government confiscates it...
KapteinOpel 1 year ago
@KapteinOpel
Only 30 ft down - your friend is right, it shouldn't be too difficult to bring it back up. Would be interesting to know exactly what it is and yes it would seem that landing the way he did, it's likely it's all largely intact!
Whether the government would lay claim to it or not would possibly come under your country's salvage laws - it'd pay to check them out.
Might also pay to let vintage aircraft restoration companies in Europe know about your find! Good luck!
Merlin2Stage2Speed 1 year ago
Lose sight, lose the fight. Always keep your eyes out of the cockpit.
GoldLeader881 1 year ago
one of the best dogfight back at ya .)
pumaswarcry 1 year ago
This is from a simulator ride. I went in it at Duxford back in 2005. Was worth the 2 quid
323nut 1 year ago
No really, no tactics. They stay in line still under attack and firing, too stupid for humans, are AI. Under firing immediatly they break one right and one left to engage enemy.
SimplyMan59 2 years ago
Obviously fake, the 109 in view has the exhaust-stubs too high, indicating it's a Buchon model.
Langnasen 2 years ago
That was fantastic, probably isn't the real deal but still great.
MrFENDERstratLOVER 2 years ago
I saw this on discovery channel about 12 years ago they said it was genuine and shot on agfacolour film on a cinematic camera of the time, and it was shot for training purposes according to the show, it is increasingly hard to tell whats real and whats not but pretty sure it is genuine. I am a photographer by profession and while that doesnt make me an expert on cinematics the colour caste is pure agfa hope this helps
forr3st32 2 years ago
Yeah it was obviously fake but how he describes the real tactics and such in the order that he does was good. The video is somewhat educational.
larsulrich3356 2 years ago
haha i love it at the end when ther chatting then that spit comes out of no where :L
bbathtub101 2 years ago
The 109 had fuel for 25 minutes over the english coast, not only for 5 minutes.
MrTobbL 2 years ago
Everything Ive read says it had fuel for 10 minutes over London which was about 15mins from the coast so agreed from that point of view but in a dogfight endurance for both planes deteriorated rapidly
forr3st32 2 years ago
@forr3st32 but dogfighting cuts your fuel a lot.
mushu144 1 year ago
typical - sigh- the spitfire is just so superior and good looking! I want one for x-mas.
CapKorzeniowski 2 years ago
but it looks very good!
DarthRykar 2 years ago
of course its a reenactment.
the germans wouldnt be speaking english
gabba1gabba1hey 2 years ago
Reanactment! Just a recunstruction of a "might have happend dogfight or how it could have looked like when they fought back in that battle of brittain thing" Got it or??? How dificult is that to understand??
badasskickers 2 years ago
ICH BEKAM IHN....HORRIDO!!!!
SNOOZE3091 2 years ago
Fake.
They didn't have that good of cameras
They didn't use continually rolling cameras
The Spitfire wouldn't have gotten between them
If it did the wingman had a clear shot and should have taken it.
Very interesting though
keithyoung 2 years ago
Try WW2 in colour. They had continually rolling good quality camera's. They may have put one on this aircraft for experimentation, you dont know!
Dragon22873 2 years ago
The wingman didnt see him cut in, and once he had shooting is out of the question for fear of hitting his wing leader, and camera technology was a lot better then than you think, German cinema was a match for the best tech in Hollywood at the time. Wizard of Oz 1936 would give you an idea of how advanced it was
forr3st32 2 years ago
Is this footage real? No Finger 4? Spit jumping in between line astern 109's? Seems a very stupid thing to do....If it is real, this is incredible footage... Seems a bit suss to me though.
freddym 2 years ago
It's recunstruction.
Sephy7777 2 years ago
Dunkirk was the first defeat for the Luftwaffe.
Operation Sea lion was not much of a plan to begin with anyway.
the82spartans 2 years ago
The Spitfire is a better defensive airplane. It could out turn the Me 109. But the FW 190 could out perform the Spitfire V. And...if you keep climbing and diving with full throttle, you will only have 5 minutes. Also, fuel consumption is vary at sea level and high attitude...
watcher05er 2 years ago
Me-109E-4 or E-3 could fight up to 20 minutes over London - after this time had to back to own airfiled
In October 1940 - entered a new model of Me-109 -> E7 model with external fuel tank - an Me-109 could fight over London area over 20 minutes. And of course - external fuel tank - increase a range of Me-109 obviously. But this technical solution could not help German pilots regain advantage.
Gryfiik 2 years ago
me 109 had just 10 min over london
read Adolf Gallands book on 15/9 he shot down 1 hurricane in 10 min and nothin ele's nor his comarades.
he turned back home. fuel!!
terryjohn 2 years ago
In terms of tactics, I see a lot of reactions like "they would never engage like that" or "They never flew this low" .
Well, if you would pay attention to what the WWII veterans have to say, you would realize that in a dogfight there is no "never".
The ones that survived were the ones with the better situational awareness - in other words, those that would would see the enemy before the enemy saw them. The outcome was then based on pilot ability, not by the plane type!
Again, ask a veteran!
1javasjonnie 2 years ago
'Me 109s only had enough fuel for 5 mins combat over england ...' ?? don't think so .
the book : Invasion 1940 by derek robinson is a well researched book which suggests pretty convincingly that 'victory' in the battle of britain did NOT prevent operation Sealion , it was the existance of the Royal Navy that was the main obstacle , and the channel itself.
redzzed 2 years ago
One can't win a land battle without control of the air. This has been proven time and again in WWII. The Luftwaffe failed to gain this in the battle of Britain.
I've heard all sorts of figures as to how long the Bf109 had over London, anywhere from 5 minutes to 20 minutes.
JaleelJohanson62 2 years ago
the Royal navy would have been decimated on first day..4 big ships i think we had. the E boats stukas ju 88's
would made short work............R
af spits hurris would not have helped. or bombers wellingtons etc.
terryjohn 2 years ago
@redzzed and the sheer logistics needed to place German divisions on Britain. Germany didnt have a navy big enough to protect the number of transports needed to ferry troops across the channel. Both air forces in 1940 were roughly equal in capability (IMO). The 109 & Spitfire were both constantly improved upon throughout the war & were each other's nemesis. The spitfire could outturn the 109 but the 109 could outclimb the spitfire.
woz30 1 year ago
@woz30 i believe the early war 109s the E and F models were both faster in a straight line then a spit aswell not by much but enuff for em to disengage. The spits just held there E alot better in a dogfight
ninjacouncilguild 1 year ago
@woz30
Until the advent of the Spitfire Mk IX that is - and the Mk XIV improved even on that.
Merlin2Stage2Speed 1 year ago
in real war time battle spits and 109's would NEVER fly that low ..rule 1 always had a advanage over your enemy being higher the him wou give you the drop on him ..you can change alt for speed when u dive and climb back up hit or miss
freakyflow 2 years ago
Avoid radar? =D
senado 2 years ago
Again radar was in the early stages at war end germans never cared to try to avoid it or knew how ..most runs were bombing runs ..bombers are slow eazy to hit with AA and low alt's and ran with fighter esocrts high to avoid AA why would you send 2 low flying fighters against a whole country and low to avoid radar
freakyflow 2 years ago
Since i dont see any bombers in the video it seems that its only a recon mission, german used to do that in the earlys 40. And its just ike that, 2 fighters againts a whole country at day but at night it would look more like 100 bombers against a shole country. :P
senado 2 years ago
erm yes?
Draious 2 years ago
possibly this scenario could occur if there was an initial encounter at higher altitude and the spits dove to escape but couldn't, and were reduced to weaving about with no place else to go - ?
SupernalOne 2 years ago
I wouldn't say never...but it was unlikely,
skot66 2 years ago
this is a fuckin awesomeee video!!!!!!!!!!
XiiSliiKiiX 2 years ago
Oh!
So thats why the Germans WON the
Battle of Britain!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did Lord HAW HAW do his last commentary
on this video, before Pierrepoint hanged him?
darkmossie633 2 years ago
its not CG its a re-inactment
Sharpe7 2 years ago
spits rule, fact we won on our own if u dont like it then lump it
to55er1 2 years ago 2
this video is defo not property of Showscan, that for the text show is totaly bullox.
The original video is only using the Radio chatter without using any further comments. In my opinion some kind of privacy violation.
Mariussixtysix 2 years ago
um i dont know what people are yelling about but its much more affective to do what erich hartmann did he would not open fire untill he was really close. just like his famous quote ; wait till the enemy fills the entire windscreen then you cant possubly miss
BLEACH01Z 2 years ago
if Hartmann had tried those tactics in
Battle of Britain, taking time to get that close, he would have had his ARSE BLOWN OFF, if he tried it once too often
-very different planes, ace allied pilots, and much higher levels of combat skill required in battle of britain
darkmossie633 2 years ago
@darkmossie633
hartmanns tactic was very good
and the russian pilots and planes were very good in the end and hartmann still shot down!
by the way, also at the western front!
@freakyflow
the most highes in the BoB were by 6000m+, thats right, but only the bombardements
often single planes or, like here, a "rotte" is flying alone over the channel to test st. or to reconnoiter...and this happend often in such highes :-)
but in the end of all - great vid ;-)
deseryve 2 years ago
Hartmann was relgious about avoiding dogfights, generally always pulling gun run tactics. Thats why he killed numerous times and virtually never got shot down himself.
CrimsonGuardJay 2 years ago
Oi listen up Yanks, this is as close to a dogfight in the Battle of Britain as you could possibly get! What the fuck do you mean, its so fuking propaganda?
Luftwaffe pilots were more experianced than the RAF but this is propaganda how exactly?
jsarkar339 2 years ago
This is so propaganda...
Fogelmann 2 years ago
"Drink my Contagious Urine
Alacard1349 2 years ago
Never been to America so i don't really know.
l3owman 2 years ago
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terryjohn 2 years ago
you see when you are in school they make you think they care. then when you leave they couldnt careless in a years so time' in a bedsit or streets they couldnt careless if you cut your thoat
i do care maybe that my fault.
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
THIS IS NOT A FUCKING ANIMATION!!!!!!
l3owman 2 years ago
sorry i thought i was learning a gifted guy.
who was intrested in air fighting tactics
chow.
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
america is a world with words.and attitudes.
sorry go to school and ask the teachers who couldnt care less about you. i DO>
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
I'm British mate.
l3owman 2 years ago
i read profile i guess so. so whats that got to do with what teachers learn well they did didnt they.
you think americas educated think again
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
This peice of film was made about 15 years ago by the old flying machine co, it was made for the flight sim at duxford. I remember them filming this as I live in the area; pilots are ray and mark hanna...
javlin0 2 years ago
sorry for documentry battle of britain 2000
micheal aspels show on tv. sky tv i didnt see it no sky tv.
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
those arent real 109s there ha1112 hispano spanish conversion 109 with a merlin insted of a dimler benz
cerb234 2 years ago
A lot of people turn up of here that seem pissed of the germans lost ,well tough and thank god this world ain't perfect but their world would have been hell !, they may have had the best this and that but they were beaten and by men according to" Wermacht " lovers with poor equipment and training !! hmm odd that we must have outnumbered them as always? oh by the way if we didn't shoot them out of the sky then what accounts for all the german losses ? flu?
xjboy550 2 years ago
You should know that all german losses were down to either sabotage by of the aircraft by Judeo/Bolsheviks or the pilots being distracted by knocking one out over saucey pictures of strength through joy frauleins doing gymnastics . Its the only way that the masterrace and their wunder weapons could have lost out to the decadent democracy's and degenerate Slav's in their primitive machines ......
iroscoe 2 years ago
I am fed up with these clips that tell you how the USAF and RAF blew the hell out of the Luftwaffe. Luftwaffe had the best of the aces and the top scoring aces were all Germans. Where are the clips of the heroics of Erich Hartmann in youtube?! well all you can see is some tribute. This is ridiculous.
gromell 2 years ago
These engagements are so carefully picked by the makers of the program that a Swedish historian Niklas Zetterling said that it is like looking at the Finnish Winter War as the Russian artillery barrages that preceeded the attacks.
It would be a bit like: The Finns were no match for the raining metal and then stop the story right there and not mention the following slaughtering of Soviet soldiers attacking.
These programs are a bit like that, focus only on the few lucky engagements.
jaruzelska23 2 years ago
agreed. Galland, Rall, Hartmann... What about them?
cs15321 2 years ago
and Helmut Wick too
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
Agreed
sypherffs 2 years ago
well that was crap, no pilot ever stands between two enemy fighters
fidan2fast 2 years ago
LOOOOOOOOL ally shit :P
Nannu65 3 years ago
2:40 take that you bloody hun! :o)
SLRL1A1 3 years ago
That was awesome!!!
OneManBand777 3 years ago
was I the only person to geek out and yell "oh $hit!! check your 6!" when the Spitfire got inbetween them? XD
notbuster126 3 years ago 2
No i was saying B4 that Where did the other Plane go .
HEAD ON A SWIVEL....... then he got between them ...... FIRE GODDAMNIT
lol
Plawranc 3 years ago
how come germans wingman was not hit instead of leaders...
and low level freejag. was not at all right right too low more like 4 000 ft. the spits didnt split up..and did not turn towards jerrys..yet jerrys did. why run from attackers.?. 5 min fuel is not right 20 min at more over london 10 min.
tj
terryjohn 3 years ago
Yeah, I have read everything from 10-30 minutes. i guess it depends on where from france you fly.
cs15321 2 years ago
basiciclly me 109s units were moved to calis aera from sept 4th 40/ for 7th /9 attacks on london. so yeh 10 min over london and 30 min coasts if you watch film BOB 1969. at end see fighters peel off .fuel was low.
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
i guess you like motorbikes i do too.
and dolly parton. me too 9to5 film saw 80.
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
answer why did he shoot leader not his wingman.??
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
Beause the leader has more experience at shooting down Spitfire's than the wingman making him a higher priority and also the pilot of the Spitfire would know that the wingman would not shoot when when the Spitfire was infront of him as he could hit his leader and being inexperienced the chance is higher that he would hit his leader.
l3owman 2 years ago
yeh how did spitfire pilot know !!
he german was a novice ? did he know him.
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
Wingmen were usually inexperienced at the time and without the leader they have no clue what to do other than run or get shot out of the sky without there leader giving the them tacticts.
l3owman 2 years ago
well how do you know when a staffel was on a run if on his own IE leader they did have expirenced wingmen flying like this vid did, but one mistake this vid was 1 they are flying low too low
2 novice pilots would be in a sqn strength.
3 if training was done the leader would watch out for ace RAF pilots.
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
you see leaders are the guarddogs to sheep. esp' german pilots were asked werner molders.
the RAF couldt careless about novices why i was told by a vet. who was in the battle britain........
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
if it was real i think the inexs ! pilots would be in a aera were there were less fighters about say isle of wight or a mid channel coast france side.waiting for a lame duck. there were some that did fly too close to france.and shot down.
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
But in the video it says, "The inexperience wingman follows down untill he overtakes the falling British aircraft", At 2:08.
l3owman 2 years ago
if you implying the other RAF pilot saw him make mistake .then decides he his a novice well not really german pilots were chiverlus lot no butchers nor no ((NAZI's,sic) then going home ,gets the leader. wrong the RAF pilot wouldnt follow 2 me 109's.incase of ambush.
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
well most germans never shot a Lame duck.. that was on fire!! ie wingman.germans. so RAF pilot would never know.then why did leader not watch 2rd spit go...
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
sorry to go on my letters keep going.
if when first shoot down the leader would tell the novice to head on home then.
if other RAF plane followed then he RAF pilot wouldnt go after him .
then jerry leader would watch out too.
for another shoot down (horrido"" saying.
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
the word (HORRRIDO) in german is shoot down so pilots see plane crash if possible. confirmed victory.wittness
tj
terryjohn 2 years ago
lol. The spitfire at the end.
cookienuts3 3 years ago
Nice one second Spitfire..!
auto4union 3 years ago
Is'nt the designation ME 109 incorrect? I thought that because the 109 was manufactured by Bayerische Flugzeugwerke the correct desination for the aircraft is Bf 109.
mikeandhev 3 years ago
Manufactures name vs Military Name I believe.
Zulioa 3 years ago
ME109s did not hav e radios they could use to speak to eachoter.
nickvids4u 3 years ago
yes, they did have radios
Flatpro01 3 years ago
But not which they could use to commuicate to other pilots. Only back to command. This is a real video, not computer animation. It is used in a flight simulator you can ride in at most airshows in the UK
nickvids4u 3 years ago
eh all aircraft about 10 years after world war 1 had radios to communicate with one another. They learned that hand signals werent the best in the air.
WarHawk44 3 years ago
The Bf109 had a radio in every single version!
JG52Karaya 3 years ago
ich think this is the Bf-109 F look at the white strips on the wings
radick09 3 years ago
yes, it seems like a F or an early G, but it was the E that fought the battle of britain. also the spitfires seem to be MK V or so, but MKII and MKI fought in battle of britain.
inar64 3 years ago
Looks more like a "Buchon", a Spanish license built of the Bf109G with either a Hispano Suiza engine of 1300hp or a Merlin engine of 1600hp. Looks closely at the cowling, doesnt seem as streamlined as the Friedrich
JG52Karaya 3 years ago
buckhorn my grandad worked on film batte britain i was in it too. kid at end.
tj
terryjohn 3 years ago
well... if my veiw was inside of a cockpit of a Mk.IIII spitfire i would scream like hell
KR0ME9 3 years ago
Remember the men of the USS Liberty.
reYKCuf 3 years ago
sardosfish is right ,if you look closely you can see the exhaust pipes at the top of the cowling thus it has a Merlin engine not a DB inverted V12.Spanish built Buchon 109's.
GustavG10 3 years ago
Its a BF-109, even on the last model, I think it was the "K", the ID plates on the planes was BF-109
They are not both correct for this aircraft. "ME" was for later designs. It does not apply to the 109
toonsis 3 years ago
that`s an amazing video, it`s so real!, but it is real or not? I´m from Argentina, and I`m very happy of those who loves the WW2 aircrafts,in stead of not had taken part of the war,whe had the 164 argentine-british squadron(RAF), and had some voluntaries heroes.bye!see you soon
fabripetroni 3 years ago
Nice vid. Tks!
Shadowrom 3 years ago
Did they forget that there were 2 and not 1 ?
Tiny578 3 years ago
2:17 they knew he was around but had no fuel to fight..and the spitfire pilot knows that
timberwolf7102james 3 years ago
Z.O.M.G!!!!!! De javu I went on a ride simulator at the Duxford airshow yesterday and it played this movie when you go on the simulator it shakes and you feel really disorientated form the dark and the dizziness after
ZEPPELINALF 3 years ago
The designation under the German Luftwaffe was BF109, not ME
qpwoei282 3 years ago
BF and ME are both producers of the 109. Bayerische Flugzeugwerke and Messerschmitt, respectively. So, it doesn't matter.
AthCom 3 years ago
there are not bf 109,infact have a merlin traditional v engine,daimler benz have reverse v engine!this is spanish production and have a roll royce engine.
sardosfish 3 years ago
thats awsome when the spitfire just apears out of nowhere and takes down the 109
thegiantpigeon 3 years ago
I know!!! The balls on that pilot to dive right in front of the wingman! What a totall wuss that German wingman is. His inexperience cost the lead 109 his life.
mellaphoric 3 years ago
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yeah kill these jerrys
kejos 3 years ago
Great vid but the 109s in the Battle of Britain were 109Es not the later marks shown.
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Dragon22873 3 years ago
The Pilots of luftwaffe always been the best.Luftwaffe, the most feared.Much ME 109!
RobyGazzi 3 years ago 2
You sound like Scot/Italian who hates everything English
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darkmossie633 2 years ago
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RobyGazzi 2 years ago
reading the comments I see some ppl saying that the wingman was trying to protect his leader, but in order to protect him he should be flying by his side, so he could see the spit aproaching the leader and turn into the spit, the in line formation they were flying could have have them both killed if the spit pilot would have aproached from behind and shot down the wing man and then the leader, they wouldnt have known what hit them. no fighter pilot would be flying like that.
wirikuta14 3 years ago
2 mistakes from the spitfire: by placing himself in the middle of the 2 109s he could have been shotdown by the wingman and second he lost the chance of a double kill, he should have aproached and try to shot down both 109s one after the other. the 109s shouldnt be flying one in front of the other, as this formation doesnt allow the pilots to watch each other´s six, that´s why the leader was shot down, they should fly side by side. this is CGI for sure.
wirikuta14 3 years ago
if the wingman did shoot, he would have to be a mighty fine shot, considering he could hit his wingman, once he hits the spit or the spitfire sees he's being fired upon, he could duck out, and the wingman would hit his leader.
and if the wingman was inexperienced the shot would of been harder.
TehMasta 3 years ago
That plane is called the bf-109..
qpwoei282 3 years ago
lol yes
nolifemerc 3 years ago
ME109 or BF109 are both correct.
The designations of BF and ME are the company under which they were produced under.
BF = Bayerische Flugzeugwerke
ME = Messerschmitt
xUnknownAcex 3 years ago
"109s have fuel only for 5mins combat over england"
This is simply not true 109s have fuel for 5mins of combat OVER LONDON. The cliffs of Dover are clearly visible in this vid. These 109s have at least 50% fuel. Especially if they did not climb to the usual 12000 feet
yakovlev3a 3 years ago 3
The wingman had a perfect shot for like, 20 seconds to blast the spitfire that killed his flight leader.... gawd.
CrimsonGuardJay 3 years ago
Love the way this was pieced together, simple straightforward information, always in the moment. None of the rediculous frills you see on American tv, where it's so cut and frilled up you can hardly tell what's going on. Well done!
wraith444 3 years ago
true... but on American tv, the frills include interviews, and from the interview, you get a better feel for the combat
girhawk 3 years ago
True, true. But all the overdramatic music, flashy camera angles, etc... you never can tell what exactly is going on.
wraith444 3 years ago
true, true, true. but they have helpful little updates at the end of of the flashy, over dramatic segments.
girhawk 3 years ago