HMS King george 5th battle group vs Bismark battlegroup

[Toni112007]

whats name of this game???

[deino117]

Such an old-looking game, and yet for a real naval enthusiast (like me) it seems to have so much realism and play value after all these years. Why are naval wargames such an overlooked genre? I'd love to have a battleship versus battleship game like this one but with all the up to date graphics and game variables.

[awesomecdiperson]

Hey do you happen to know of any newer naval games that have ships from both the Atlantic and Pacific fleets?

[edtrine]

You also realize the Prince of Wales still had the ship building crews aboard and when she turned away from action her guns had broke down due to her not having a proper fitting out. It was also a 14" shell from the POW that did the greatest damage done to the Bismark up to this point. It caused a oil tank to become contaminated which greatly limited the range and speed which resulted in the Bismark getting sunk.

[somnn2]

wow no wonder I didnt bother trying to play this game... the battle sequence is unrealistic...

[mcmantry]

The problem with fighting steel is the ai sucks

[AviatorAlex1]

nice vid man :) if you wanna stop people asking what the game is, just stick it in a caption then no one will ask you any more :)

[Smogger911]

I have noticed that in every battle you "play out" the Germans always win, which in many of your match ups never came close to happening.

[bladensburg1814]

excellent! far better than hollywood!...too bad noone has battle of jutland 1916!...(ww-1 naval is far far better!)

[Chewbarka1]

is this game 4 pc or mac or both?

[AV8BHARRIERPLUS]

Yes is Fighting Steel

[thelittlemind]

what game is this

[BMWM3GTRLOVER]

his this fighting steel?

[bjbing2003]

Rubbish, the germans always ran away !!, never having the gute to stand and fight so they never can prove their ships might, KG5 Rodney and others chased em until destroying em !!

[98RamMagnum]

@bjbing2003 You realize, the Bismarck held it's own against multiple battleships, with only a heavy cruiser as an escort right? You also realize the PoW, ran away from the Bizmarck and the Prinz Eugen?

[elswick1542]

Bismarck was a magnificent battleship but did not hold its own against 15 biplanes,its also did not hold its own against Rodney and KGV for more than 16 minutes,after 28 minutes it did not have a single 15" gun remaining to fight back with.

[98RamMagnum]

15 biplanes, Rodney, KGV, PoW, and a few cruisers, I'd say lasting 5 minutes alone against that is holding it's own.

[elswick1542]

Rodney ,POW,KGV fought of far larger air attacks,by modern aircraft,it took the IJN 86 modern aircraft to sink POW and 8 were shot down,Bismarck shot down none.

[lanyIc2]

@elswick1542

16 Minutes of not beeing able to manouver anymore. Yeah. Else?

[elswick1542]

@lanyIc2 My point was that Battleships no matter who built and crewed them or how large and powerful, were obsolete by 1941 because of the rise of aircraft carrier,that is why none have been launched since November 1944.Bismarck was a magnificent ship and fought one of history's greatest last stands it will always be remembered for this.personally I think battleships were the most impressive vessels ever built.

[lanyIc2]

@elswick1542

totally agree, sry for misunderstandig.

[dougstiro]

you also realise that PoW guns were out of action most of the time?

[Smogger911]

@98RamMagnum do you relize that the Prince of Wales had to retreat because she was untessted and didnt go through sea trials yet and her guns jammed so she couldnt fire on the Bismarck, other wise she would have sunk he, she had already hit Bismarck enough times to cause her to run to France for safty and that was only after Prince of Wales fired a few salvos, if he guns had not jammed i feel that Bismarck would have been in serious trouble.

[98RamMagnum]

@Smogger911 The PoW only fired a few salvos on the Bismarck, it after that, it engaged the Prinz Eugen, and it was a slugging match between the two, the same as it was between the Hood and the Bismarck. The Bismarck ran because it was running low on fuel.

[Smogger911]

@98RamMagnum didnt didnt run away becasue it was low on fuel it ran away because Hood had hit the Bismarck below the water line and it hit her fue and the Bismarck was leaking fuel into the ocean and it needed to be repaired. and Prince of Wales was firing on the Bismark the entire battle it was Hood who initally shot at PE beacsue it was leading at first, then the Hood relized it was the PE and started hitting Bismarck. The POW made smoke after hitting Bismarck and left due to gun jammings.

[Smogger911]

@Smogger911 get your history right before you start talking about things you know little about.

[10995]

@Smogger911 Hello, dude, first things first. Hood did not hit the Bismarck, Prince of wales did, Hood was shooting at the Prinz Eugen. And, for everyone who did not know, Bismarck did not fire the fatal shot that sank the Hood, Prinz Eugen did. Hoods secondary ammunition was set off after a shot known to have come from the Prinz Eugen set a fire amidships. This fire set off the ammunition that spread to the ships main magazine that blew the ship in two.

[inar64]

@Smogger911 sorry, but PoW fired 19(plus 3 partial salvoes, due to jammed guns) salvose in total before the guns started jamming, the bismarck fired 11full an a half salvo. now let's the hits both oponents made. bismarck:6(2 on Hood, 4 on PoW(+3 hits from PE) PoW: 3

no need to point out that PoW's crew was untrained. yes, but that's how it was.

maybe these facts explain you better who would have sunk who if PoW would have stayed in battle. ultimately it's down to who lands more shells.

[Smogger911]

@98RamMagnum Bismrack didnt "hold its own" in the first 30mins the ships entire superstructure was ripped to shreads and the main guns were taken out, it was just a floating pilie of steel being shot at and most of the crew had already been killed so it didnt really do anything, the only thing keeping it afloat was its hull wahich was mainly intact it just sat there untill it was damaged below the waterline to finally took on water to go under.

[98RamMagnum]

@Smogger911 The Hood was sunk within the first 30minutes...The Hood Never fired on the Prinz Eugen, the PoW did. The Bismark never "sat there until it was damaged", it continued around in a circle because of a rudder jam, which happened about 2 hours after it completely destroyed the Hood and the hopes of the PoW to continue fighting. The Bismark was hit by over 80 14-16 inch shells, only a few penetrated, and she still managed to hold out long enough to do damage to Rodney.

[MrHistorian123]

@98RamMagnum

I hate to introduce a few facts into the argument but Rodney suffered no damage at all in the action with Bismarck. Also, the shell that sank Hood WAS fired by Bismarck; though a 8 inch shell from Prinz Eugen did trigger a fire earlier, this was not not the fatal blow. This was almost certainly a 15 inch shell that penetrated the thin deck armour close to the aft 4 inch magazine and exploded it, leading to detonation of the after 15 inch magazine.

[bighairybiker45]

@98RamMagnum 'ran away' just after bismark blew up the biggest warship in the british navy

[98RamMagnum]

@bighairybiker45 Just because she was the biggest, doesn't mean she was even remotely the best.

[bighairybiker45]

@98RamMagnum yes but at the time the british belived she was and the prince of wales was damaged by the bismark and her new quad gun turrets were jammed

[mcmantry]

@98RamMagnum you realize that the Eugen had 11 in guns. and you realize that the Prince of Wales fire control was not calibrated so it could barely hit the broadside of a barn from the inside... Also moral was shatter on the pow as hood had just exploded due to plunging fire hit that pentrated a power magizine. Hood was considered the best ship in the british fleet. Even Bizmark survivor said they couldn't believe how hood went up.

[PeDoDoKu]

@mcmantry

Prinz Eugen had 8in. guns. Scharnhorst and Gneisenau had 11in. guns which fired a shell weighing 3 times as much as Prinz Eugens 8in.

[notsureyou]

@mcmantry

it wasnt plunging fire, at the range at which Bismarck's fatal salvo hit hood, the angle would have been far to shallow to penetrate the deck. So the shell would have had to have gone through the belt.

[MrHistorian123]

@notsureyou

Not so. The range was just at the minimum at which plunging fire could penetrate Hood's deck armour. Any closer and her belt would have saved her.

Fact: Hood was a very old lady with serious gaps in her armour and should never have been pitched against a modern battleship.

[notsureyou]

@MrHistorian123

According to the naval gun penetration data for Bismarck, the min range for Horizontal amour penetration is 22km (and thats 86mm amour). At the range hood was hit the angle of the shells as the Hit Hood would have been no more than 11.5 deg.

[notsureyou]

I dont think that the belt would have saved her. Only the offset angle to the target would have helped. but beam on to target she's in alot of trouble. her belt at its thickest was 305mm. it was sloped which gives an increase factor of 1.3 at combat ranges so that gives her 396mm belt. if that figure was the end of the story, then she is immune beyond 21km.

But its not Hood had ww1 quality steel, which would remove the slope bonus so her 305mm belt could be penetrated at 27km and below.

[MrHistorian123]

@notsureyou

You are correct. Naval historian Anthony Preston told me that during the ship's 1939 refit, the belt armour was reinforced somewhat, as was the deck armour from the rear funnel forwards. Because war broke out, the planned update could not be completed. However, her protection was still marginal to inadequate against 15 inch guns at intermediate and close ranges on the beam. It might have been adequate if she had fought with the after turrets firing on an extreme forward bearing.

[MrHistorian123]

@notsureyou

At the time of the fatal hit, Hood was on a course almost directly for Bismarck. When she was found, her rudders were hard over, suggesting she had just commenced a turn to bring her after guns to bear. This meant that the fatal shell was travelling almost along the line of the ship from bow to stern. Even at a low trajectory (c14deg), a 15 inch shell could penetrate the thin (3 inch) rear half of Hood's deck armour, which had not been reinforced like the front half in 1939.

[notsureyou]

@MrHistorian123

The low angle would not have been enough to cause penetration. At 22km the angle of fall is 19deg. anything less than that and it wont happen. Also to be able to reach her inner vitals verticle amour would have to be penetrated. Perhaps Hood upper belt was penetrated and that deflected the shell down at a steeper angle?

[notsureyou]

the max range of the final hit is 16-17km with the shortest (found on the HMS HOOD association website) is 13.3km.

So the angle of the shell as it reached Hood would be between a min of 9.9deg and a max of 12.8 deg. At that shallow angle the shell would in fact ricochet off and not penetrate Horizontal amour.

[schubertap]

history:

the bismarck was hunted by 4 BB, 3 CV, 10 Heavy Crusers and 30 DD´s

the bismarck was damaged and she get 2500 hits by the BB but only 16 had crush her armor

[Mattebubben]

Bismark didnt get sunk they Rudder got hit by a Torpedo and there Guns where out of Action and the Captain got the Order to Sink the ship

[Smogger911]

@Mattebubben She was hit by British Torpedos when cappsized and the armor which was then under the water was not suitable to defend against torpedos and she was sunk.

[Mattebubben]

@Smogger911 no she didnt sink by the brit Torp the hit the rudder so she could not manuver and the captain gave the order the Sink the ship to not let the brits take her and there was NO ship that could fight the Bismark

[brentano2277]

@bjbing2003

What a load of nonsense, are you being deliberately annoying or do you really believe that Germans were cowards, Cowards don't fight for 6 years against overwhelming odds, to the bitter end. You'd have to be British with a lame arsed attitude like that.

[NobleKorhedron]

@brentano2277 Agreed!!

[slightlyfloored]

@bjbing2003 German battleships didn't run away from cowardice, they were under orders to avoid engaging enemy heavy units. Their principal purpose was to be attacking allied convoys, after brushing aside allied escort vessels. Thankfully, most of them never got the chance.

[jaguarF16]

como se llama este juego?

[JuergenGDB]

Say I had that game, but I do not remember any Italian units... How the heck did you get Italian ships? My versian had US, Japan, Germany, and Britian.

[CplCentaur]

He probably used a game patch.

[maximus323]

This game is awesome

[caerbannog6]

Wich game is it ?

[Deathofblades]

that is shitty graphics.

[o3941]

Its an old game.

[Sartori]

The game is a decade old.

[tkhushrenada]

what the hell? Why were they filming the contents of my bathtub?

[Ace12541]

i seen a Nelson

[o3941]

Rodney was a Nelson class Battle ship. I mean, look at USS Iowa, it looks like the USS New Jersey dosent it?

[monsterMike18]

they were sisters i think

[o3941]

Yea, tho the germans would call the Bismarck and Tirpiz "brother" ships...

[kira0756]

wrong, the german term would be "schwesterschiffe"...schwester = sister

[o3941]

last i read, one of the German high comand (this has been a long time) said that Bismark could not be called a "she", and that in his terms, "Bismark is to powerfull to be called a she...blah blah blah...he will rule the seas." or something along those lines.

[kira0756]

well obviously this guy wasnt able to change german language....ships are still female :)

[o3941]

Most are, yes. But i still say i read somewere it saying this German officer...might have been Bismarks Captain,if not someone in the high comand, officialy made Bismark a "He".

[Pascale1990]

no ships sunk :(

[Smogger911]

Yes the Italian cruiser was sunk.

[PotatoGunsRule]

Pretty neat.....I would have loved to have served on the Iowa class in the 80's....I would like to have a more updated version of this type of game.

[Vermiliontea]

I have this game + enthusiast addon. And it can be interesting. My main gripe with it is that results very rarely (never) correspond to history. While the ambition level to model ships capabilities 'accurately' seem to be very high amongst the geeks that tinker with this, one is left with two possible conclusions: Either the allies had an enormous amount of luck repeatedly throughout WW2, or those fellows wank off way too much to their Bismark and Yamato models.

[hallchad83]

What's the name of the game chaps?

[zepsterboy]

its called "fighting steel" its a pc game, a little dated now but great naval game.

[Mandikazen]

what is name of this game plz ?

[Mandikazen]

i have buy it funny :D

[GermanMotu]

Good graphics :D

[NathanF11989]

How many ships are in this game?

[BARRACKAISER]

Fighting steel is a classic game. It might have dated graphics but I don't think there's yet been another game to nail ship combat so well!

[jeebateeba56]

lol yeh i have this. the level wit hthe 5 brit destroyers vs the bismark is my fave =P i just circle the bismark. its fun to watch the shells fly across and hit the ship

[metube1120]

my game never came with italian units, is there an add on?

[psi81]

Yes - it's called the Fighting Steel Project. It's a MASSIVE add-on, both new ships and much better realism.

[zepsterboy]

what game is this from

[Imperium56]

FortOyer, the Bismarck BG should have Tirpitz and Bismarck in, Italian BB. KGV should have KGV, Pr of Wales, etc.

[svaran]

SHEESH the poms are getting pounded!

[Imperium56]

The Germans built more modern BB's than the British. Otherwise the Nazi's would have been sunk ages ago. I sank the Schleisen with Soviet CA Kirov.

[mrtin2811]

lol the KGV was as modern as they come bismarck was ww1 design with modern tech gear LOLOL

[mamami737]

what is the name of the game

[GrafSpee43]

is this fighting steel?

[f3hdemon]

Yes sir it is

[elpon20]

malisimo...

[richrainbow]

How about doing one where one of the planned G3 battlecruisers goes up against Bismark in the Denmark Straight instead of Hood?

[FortOyer]

what are all the names of the battel ships?

[december2364]

I loved playing this game, but I upgraded to Vista and it wont work anymore - which is a bit of a bastard.

[Rubiyano88]

Which game is it ??

[f3hdemon]

Fighting steel, thanks for watching!

[Detoyato]

Rodney is the Best!

[svaran]

Cool.