You can be involved with politics and still be productive, taking responsibility to do something yourself simultaneously.
Boil it down to don't put all your hope in one person,and if you really care do it yourself. Youre a good speaker but you go on for 30min what can be said in 5.
Sure dont focus your life on it, but you dont just NOT vote because the system is corrupt. Not doing something about evil is evil in itself.
Politics is total BS. Just look at the newest Irish government - they continue where Fianna FAIL left off -- selling the Irish public out so as to appease the IMF and their evil cronies. And look at the hype that surrounded Obama.
As George Carlin said about voting -- "Bullshit in, Bullshit out".
Buckminster Fuller: "War is the ultimate tool of politics."
@stefbot Starting at about 7:57 for the next three minutes (especially during the first half of the first minute), you expressed the rage I felt for a good 4 hours that inspired me to write a very scathing and regrettable comment and post that got me in trouble with the Secret Service and a lot of Americans.
Hey man, i like your video, and i think you're 100% logical, but i hate your "aaah f--k it, there's nothing you can do about it" attitude. There were many tyrants in history, and if people just had your attitude, we'd STILL be living under Nazi Germany or Nero or whoever. People need to get organized and we need nothing short of a revolution to tell the government to GTFO or greatly reduce its size. If we passively keep paying our dues, then nothing will change for sure.
It's quite idealistic for alot of voters who shouldn't have to decide what to vote for pertaining to democracy and republican unions. They're literally as bad as one another when broken promises are been foretold, even in news headlines. It's like saying world slavery has come to mind so world leaders can control the human race to look like they're human waste in economic phases.
@stuntbaby63 I've enjoyed our little back and forth. At least you're putting some thought into these ideas. I can understand why someone would consider Stef a blind idealist with unrealistic utopian views. Our current world of statism is totally inimical to such idyllic principles.
I will be away from the Internet for the next few days and will not be able to respond to any of your comments. But I wish you well until my return.
@wjkathman Thank you very much for your very intelligent and classy posts. It is certainly a pleasure to share ideas with you. I admit that I have a lot to learn about the arguments that you and Stef are making. That's why I am a subscriber. I'll be sure to keep a look out for your future contributions, whether they are addressed to me or not. Cheers my friend!
good topic n' all, but this alternating between screaming rant and creepy whispering is just unbearable. Adjust your sound levels to compensate for it or something. Yikes.
I mostly agree with you. Btw, I greatly admire your speaking abilities. However, I would like to refer to the point where you mention that good men do not seek power, only evil psychopaths. You also say people like Ron Paul (and this would include the other good souls in the political arena) are powerless and ineffective. What if this isn't necessarily true? If even they could impede the progress of evil momentarily, they would allow the progress of other good people. They seek power for change.
@Dalmekia Thanks for the reply. If you could set me straight with a logical point that is elevated by a show of kindness and decency, then I would appreciate it. Cheers!
1:13 Barack Obama better with civil liberties, and Hilary with healthcare? Funny that we thought that was the choice in 2008. And how did it turn out? Stef +1
You said, "Good people don't seek power over others." Clearly, you're a good person, yet you make videos in an effort to shape the way people think and behave. Are you not seeking power over us? How about a guy who seeks power over others simply because he feels a moral duty to stand in opposition to a Hitler-in-the-making? To me, he's better than a sideline-sitter who can't distinguish a Reagan from a Gorbachev and who refuses to protect his own friends and family from such a dangerous foe.
@stuntbaby63 You are confusing "power" and "influence." Power is the ability to violently force people to act in accordance with one's will. Influence is the mere attempt to impact the way others think/behave. Stef represents the latter. You are perfectly free to disagree with him. Actively disagree with the state -- by not paying your taxes, avoiding a military draft, selling/possessing/using a taboo substance, etc. -- and the state will throw you in a cage or perhaps even kill you.
@wjkathman Good point about "power and influence"! But since this is, by its very nature, a violent world, Stef's ideas aren't rooted in reality. A person who acts violently against a mass murderer is morally superior to a self-involved pacifist who allows the innocent to be murdered. A State that doesn't collect taxes, form armies and enforce laws can't compete with a State that does. Good people like Stef would have us create a power vacuum that would be filled by evil people. Thanks.
@stuntbaby63 If a state is as necessary as you presume, why resort to coercion in order to fund it? Food is an indisputable necessity -- does anyone have to threaten you with violence in order to persuade you to eat? If people aren't willing to voluntarily provide for their own protection, it is completely counterintuitive to force it upon them. Let people purchase their own security on an open market.
@wjkathman wrote, "does anyone have to threaten you with violence in order to persuade you to eat?" Maybe. If I have anorexia, my loved ones might threaten me or rob me of my liberty in an effort to save my life. But what if some despot threatens us with violence in order to prevent entire populations from eating? Do we just sit by and allow mass suffering and starvation? Stef is a pacifist, right? He sees all violence as bad. "Security on the open market" isn't an option in his utopia.
@wjkathman I don't think the state is "necessary". I think it's the natural byproduct of human group dynamics. We, as social animals, instinctively form organized groups, as small as a family, as large as a state and as massive as a civilization. Our unavoidable state will serve either liberty or tyranny. If we project power in defense of liberty, tyranny retreats; If we project weakness, tyranny advances. Stef's pie-in-the-sky ideas project weakness and are music to the ears of tyrants.
@stuntbaby63 First of all, adult anorexics should have the choice not to eat -- otherwise, their lives are not their own.
From what I've gathered, Stef is a proponent of security on the open market.
To use state coercion to defend liberty is a self-refuting enterprise. It is only with Orwellian Double Think that we can sustain such an illusion. Stef's ideas may be unrealistic in today's environment of coercion -- but they are philosophically correct nevertheless.
@wjkathman The hell that anorexics die from isn't a "choice". Stef is a pacifist who conflates moral and immoral violence. Americans tend to see wars as a conflict between good and evil. But Stef is of the European mindset, seeing wars as entirely evil. He's an intellectual. As historian Paul Johnson defines them, intellectuals value ideas more than people. You admit that his ideas are unrealistic, yet you give them credibility? "Philosophically correct" and "correct" are NOT the same.
@wjkathman asked, "why resort to coercion...?" Because human beings aren't innately rational beings and don't instinctively respond to reason. My main problem with Stef's arguments is that they are predicated on the assumption that human nature is something other than what it is. As for buying our security on an open market, fair enough. But security is tied to law and justice, right? Who will be the arbiter of what is legal and just?...Anyone?...Everyone?...No one?...Stef? It's unclear.
@stuntbaby63 You and I probably won't ever see eye to eye on the anorexia issue. The only thing I will add: if anorexics do not have a choice in regard to eating, it is hard to see how they can possibly overcome such a condition. They are essentially hopeless.
To clarify my previous posts, I do not believe that most humans today possess the mindset for anarchism. That doesn't make such a mindset any less desirable. It just means we have a ways to go before we are ready for voluntarism.
It doesn't matter who our leaders are? It matters to me. A leader who projects power to advance liberty is preferable to a leader who projects power to advance tyranny. Yes, violence and money are at the center of everything. But that's reality, so we deal with the world as it is. Maybe we ARE doomed to be slaves to the ever-growing State. But a slave in the U.S. has a better life than one in N. Korea. You hide your wants yet ask for donations to buy food? Oops. You've tipped your hand.
reality state thing in deferent ways it depends on you smartness this is just for you what hold people together the longest love and necessity. truth is a big necessity any thing that is not true is covering over reality beliefs are not truth you can believe anything and believe it but the bottom line it is not true . truth is truth these are not thing i read i know them . you hear and believe i under all you are saying i stood where you stood once and i rose above the noise and confusion
you are very religious your god is false science reality dictates everything to it absolute ends a pure course of action it just taking the long ass way around it in human terms reality can only repeat it over and over to the end of time maybe start over .you have shit for brains your head is filed with beliefs and you think they are real all sin brakes 1 of 2 laws covers over reality or brakes the bonds of love . man made up the homosexual as a sin add beliefs and fantasy in to sins
I want to know, seriously, if you believe that if you became an " elected official", would you help you electors? I expect from you, NO; but I wanted to make sure.
I wonder if elections are at all LEGAL when so many people do not vote at all. I am not sure how many do not vote, but I believe is is near 50% or even more, that is why many people are begging non-voters to" please "just go and vote", because they feel ignored and illegitimate.
Believe it or not the American Constitution with its checks and balances and constitutional limitations on government DO work. They weren't perfect, they were just a prototype. But constitutional limitations, checks and balances, and federalism CAN keep the government from initiating the use of force against the citizenry. But the only way to get those changes made is through public support for that change and voting is the most effective way of supporting those changes.
Over long periods of time, yes, it is impossible to push our current political system towards liberty because it is systematically prone to abuse. But, there are certain systematic changes that can change that if they are set in place. There are constitutional amendments that can systematically cut away at government excesses if they are put in place. It is difficult to set them in place, but not impossible and it is the ONLY realistic way to cure the system permanently.
A commenter wrote, "i disagree on supporting it. to follow politics out of interest is not support".
I thought that is a fair point.
The mafia is violent, but ... what if you had a "vote" if you will for its leader? Your choices are a known sadist or an efficient, but ruthless and not particularly sadistic businessman. Why not do what you can to lessen the evil?
What if somehow there was a possibility to replace Hitler with an evil, but less charismatic and insane, Nazi.
Do I think voting is the path to personal freedom and libertarianism?
Probably not. It may help overturn the worst of government excesses and slow, somewhat, it's tentacles from stretching into yet more parts of our economic and personal lives, but I get your point that it isn't the ultimate solution (although philosophy and voluntary persuasion person-to-person works).
But while the government exists, I want the LEAST irrational, psychopathic person in charge.
I'm not saying humanity's genetic propensity to organized violence under certain situations is "good". I'm saying the evidence is overwhelming that it exists and, as a defense, it has always been necessary to band together. On that basis, morally, I'm a much bigger fan of Canada's record (even with our government and leaders) than, say, well almost any other country.
Perhaps that's mostly because we're young... and America has only attacked us once. So we're fortunate.
I agree about what you said about politics being a waste of time and emotional energy for the majority of people and up until now, I have been more guilty about this than most people.
Simple math indicates I have very limited control over the direction of "Canada" at least as a voter.
However, there's a real difference between von Hindenberg and Hitler in power. And the US military has physically liberated many people (as has Canada's), including against said Hitler.
One, Reagan had the Democratic Congress which was the main source of spending (they control the budget). Reagan vetoed some of their budgets, you had gridlock, etc.
I'm not arguing for Reagan's perfection, but you overlooked this critical fact.
Two -- what about someone like Lincoln?
Again, not a perfect man. But he campaigned on liberating the slaves and by golly he did.
That's real liberty, Stefan, compared to what they had before.
This is completely wrong! Show no needs? Ok, well, the guy next to you isn't hasn't listened to you so he will show his needs and the politician is going to get the 1 vote he wants anyways. Politicians don't need my vote, or your vote to win, they just need 1 more then the other guy and unless YOU think you can "change" 150 million people then SOMEONE is going to vote for them.
Also, not ALL politicians want to rule over people. I want to go into politics, but to sincerely free the people!
What do you want us to do, violently overthrow the government? You have a lot of great ideas, but this isn't one of them. Sure, democracy has a lot of weaknesses but it is our only alternative to the violent overthrow of the government.
I'm all for us getting out the good word and opening people's eyes but if WE don't vote, the ignorant state supporters will REALLY accelerate the slide into further tyranny and parasitism.
I watched Ayn Rand today on YouTube. And while I'll say you haven't come close to me regarding either your sincerity nor ability to go into politics to "free the people", I agreed with Rand where she supported voting itself, but thought individual rights to control one's own life and property must trump collective will.
So I DON'T agree your plan will "free the people" will work, it is still better to have those who are TRYING to do that in power than straight collectivists.
If you don't agree that voting can "free the people" then what is your best idea? Voting is a way to create a form of peaceful revolution, and while the system has a lot of problems, it is surely still better then violent revolution. There is no reason to believe any other type of revolution would be any more successful in creating liberty anyways.
I don't get how Stefan and others think liberty is going to happen without voting (continued).
Stefan, in another of his videos, pointed out that it is no longer feasible to take the government back by force because it is no longer muskets VS muskets, it is not shot guns vs tanks, missiles, riot gear, tear gas, ect. And yet Stefan is here calling us not to vote. What the hell? Does he think that the country will just fall into a rational anarchic system all on its own if we just let the Statists do whatever the hell the please? That's not going to happen. We need to vote.
I believe I was saying I wasn't completely convinced -- based on reading one YouTube comment from you -- that *you* are able to "free the people" (or that you're necessarily sincere and pure of heart enough to resist the temptations to abuse political power indefinitely).
I wasn't saying the idea of *voting* itself has no value. And I agree that government can be partially restrained by cultural expectations and a decent constitution and laws ... if they're combined.
You say something important, which I shall put up above as a main comment in this thread. It will be my last one for the timebeing. It is a thought-experiment challenge to Stefan, if you will.
By the way, I'm a fan of Stefan's work about personal liberty and ethics in general. However, I have a situation I believe he should consider.
I'm amazed that anyone still believes politics can really solve problems considering the thousands of years of proof to the contrary. Here in Thailand we have recently seen yet another example of the total failure of the political system. Luckily you can still insulate yourself from the worst of the damage here by living in the hinterlands and being self sufficient.
I love how you and many people try to wake the sleepwalkers but I cant stop thinking how useless it feels like. it's like trying to eat corn flakes with a toothpick or so. The whole thing goes far more deeper than just 'not voting' . It's a huge avalanche that cannot be stopped. I wouldnt want to say so but it really seems like lots of people are going to die for the greater good, while its survival of the fittest one can only hope that we would finally learn from our mistakes.
I wish you would quit beating around the bush, and say what you really mean...lol I've watched this a couple time and I agree, there is no good will come by participating
You talk about just paying them whatever they want and not getting involved-- what happens when they come for everything, what happens when they come for your life?
....cont.. If i appreciate a politician or policy, i feel good and my focus and appreciation attracts more of that ,if i criticise them, i feel bad and my focus creates more of the same. I have met many polititians who have changed peoples lives for the better and are caring people. Ultimately, most are not aware of their own inner being and true power but many have good hearts and mean well. I tell it like i want it to be...
i consciously practice the Law of Atrraction and so i was interested in your video as i understand that i influence the money, health and opportunities that flow into my life and politics is of little consequence compared to my own powerful connection to source energy. So whilst i don't feel dependent on politicians for my wellbeing and have no interest in politics i choose to look for what i want to see with regards to this....
This is a very very interesting vid. Given that the state is evil, what would be an action to move more boldly against it? Sure there is ignore it and get it out of your life, as he is suggesting, but is there something more one can do to move more boldly against it without 'doing' evil itself? I understand the leave evil alone argument is supposed only way to dismantle/fight it, but is this an absolute? is there anything one can do to go further? can one literally move more boldly against it?
@bubbah "Democracy does not mean that the majority is supposed to trample all over minorities, dear child." Unless the majority decrees it. Anything otherwise would be undemocratic.
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I agree with certain parts on your views on politics, but you can't generalise all parts of the government. The government has to provide certain services, because no one will build freeways out of their own pocket and no one will make sure companies that have monopolies don't enslave their consumers.
You might be right, but I think that there are good arguments to the contrary -- you might want to check out my free book Practical Anarchy, available on my website... :)
Politics doesn't exist for it is not internally consistent because we can act 'politically' in the sense of urging societal action yet we can simultaneously act apolitically if we are not attempting to gain power over sovereign institutions of violence. This apparent inconsistency proves a duality in the definition of politics is at large. It is an ephemeral drape concealing something that does exist: violence. And 'collectivists' are just individualists who wish to control others by violence.
@RoyvanKeulen Sorry, but you are wrong. Freeways are built mostly by subcontractors who are perfectly able to do it without government interference.(I was an engineering subcontractor for 30 years). Also, the free market with healthy and unrestrained competition precludes the simplistic notion of monopolies and "enslaved" consumers. This mindset is the result of government controlled education.
I'll admit that I don't live in an area with a lot of private freeways, but I do know, that as a consumer, the payments I have to make to travel a certain part of asphalt on a private freeway is much higher than what I pay in roadtaxes (which, in my country, more or less cover the roads expenses). Also, they look better and drive better. Capitalism tells us that without competition (one freeway to get from a to b or other monopolies), prices are too high.
Although I agree, in principal, with what you are saying here I also feel that you are too condescending to your audience. It's not all about you is it?
As much as I agree with the sentiments of this video, I am troubled by the question of what exactly would be the result of everyone not voting? Don't we need people to organize the emergency services and lay roads and build schools etc?
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no valid points from someone who is too simple and too scared of the system to understand it. go back to ur cave, ape. we all will follow politcians for a long time and they'll make our lifes even better. no one will be talking about u 5 years from now but politicians will still be in charge and theres nothing u can do about it : )
u should wrap ur head around SOME simplicity and get away from those crazy theories. there are soo many of those and countless ppl making cheap money with it.
For some reason the responses don't go under the comments, like other YouTube threads.
But, back to the subject, wasn't the old west anarchism and didn't people take the law into their own hands and things were really out of control, people got killed, theft, lawlessness in general. Is anarchism the ideal, or is Ron Paul the ideal?? If we are going for the ideal, shouldn't be stop the pendulum from swinging too far? Isn't that the mistake we always make? Don't we always over-correct?
Never thought of myself as an anarchist, but I think I needed this. Not totally convinced, but willing to give this some thought. My daughter is a "conscientious abstainer" in her words, and she is usually pretty wise.
Thank you, I truly appreciate your open-mindedness - if you are interested, you might want to take my free audio book Practical Anarchy for a spin, it is available on my website... :)
You say there is nothing that Ron Paul can give us because the system is designed to take. Ron Paul promises to DISMANTLE some of the parts of the system: The federal reserve, the IRS, an other bureaucratic institutions. This makes your entire argument void.
It was one instance. One instance in infinite possibilities. It was possible. Your argument of "so this time it didn't work so you should give up" doesn't work on me, and anyone that bought your argument I feel sorry for.
Well, libertarianism has struggled for almost 300 years to reduce the size and power of the state, and has consistently failed in the worst possible way -- if you're interested in a short discussion as to why, you might want to check out my free book 'how not to achieve freedom', available on my website... :) best wishes
You mean, how is that working for us? Not working so far. But don't we need roads? Don't we need infrastructure? Don't we need national security of the old kind? Don't we need a coalition of the states. Has anarchism ever been desireable? What country is totally anarchist? How is it working for them? I can't think of one.
Anarchism is all around you -- you do not use force I am sure to get what you want, but rather negotiate with people voluntarily -- and the fact that there is no anarchist country as yet does not mean much, since before the end of slavery, there was no country that did not practice it... :)
lol... I got an image of that dog jumping up for the treat and then getting kicked into the bus stop (goal) in one of your analogies.
All of it oh so very true. Since our last election in Australia I have been thinking voting is utterly pointless, they all work with the same agenda anyway. - removing freedom -. Doesn't matter who wins this US election, the whole world is screwed. Politics: "Poly" meaning many, "ticks" being blood sucking insects.
The problem with most arguments is that there is a lot of truth in every argument, but then the solution is flawed. If we were Constitutional, we would have what we need.
Do you really think that we have had no major figures of change in the nation? Look how far we've come in 50 years JUST in regard to racism! 50 years isn't a long time, this country has come very very far. And yes, that is 300 million people, bit by bit, over 1 generation, maybe 2.
Stefan, Stefan, Stefan... You are right about your analysis of politics. One exact sample of what type of politician you are talking about is Bob Barr. And yes - working with the system does not work - not without a whole lot of people shutting govt out of their lives voluntarily. BUT, you are assuming that Ron Paul was/is promising anything. He NEVER did promise anything - infact, he said HE CANNOT deliver anything he talked about (no fed, free market etc)- because President is NOT a dictator!
People dont wanna believe it. If you KNOW this, and tell people this ((which i do)) you get called a dumbass or whatever. people want to be lied to, people want to be manipulated, people dont wanna believe anythings wrong. cuz to do tht, it would involve thinking differently, and getting off their lazy ass and taking action. its terrible.
well see we hear the problems alot, the conspiracy theories etc, but when are we ging to actually act as i have recently come out of a mental home for trying to commit suicide and failing, im sat looking at the world and beyond no action, i become more convinced the only route for me is out of here asap
It is my one greatest desire that, at some time in the distant future, humanity will finally achieve a sufficient level of mental and emotional evolution to realize there is no need for state, nor deity.
It is utterly absurd to attempt to "smash the state", or to manipulate it to become servile. The only hope for those seeking freedom, is to pursue it regardless of State. As that mindset takes hold, only then will the State wither, die, and pass into memory. This, however, will not occur soon.
Stefan, I just say I agree with you. I was only introduced to your work recently, but I had reached basically the same conclusions, and have been arguing them for some time, including to the Free Staters.
I have for some time been aware of the fact that, the only way to achieve personal freedom, is to remove yourself from the game, and to strive to explain the rationale behind such a decision to others, in an attempt to aid them.
You make good observations, however what course of action is left other than anarchy and bloodshed? Anarchy would lead to survival of the fittest, rather survival of those most willing to use violence and fear as means of control, and eventually the cycle would repeat. So what course of action can we possibly take? Say we break the system, then what, a new system? If all humans where civilized then yes anarchy and refusal of the system would work, but we are not all civilized. We are human.
Thanks -- anarchy might not be the monster that you think it is -- I have a free book on my website, if you're interested, called "Everyday Anarchy"... :)
If anyone doesn't think he has integrity, principles and an unflinching respect for the truth.. if you think he'd go back on his word - go back on 30yrs of voting for the Constitution, you're delusional. :D
Lol, realised calling him a 'statesman' is a bit of an oxymoron... ?
Aristotle -- "What the statesman is most anxious to produce is a certain moral character in his fellow citizens, namely a disposition to virtue and the performance of virtuous actions."
Its just that, he kind of wants to get rid of most of the state... hehe
thats the problem, theres no accountability or responsibility anymore...bush did the opposite of what he told people...they tell me voting is important but i don't see the point sometimes
You pay your taxes? If that is so, I am disappointed in you. A principled person must take a stand and withdraw as much as possible from the current system (which you even advocate here!) and channel their productive effort elsewhere, as they see fit. Only through that effort can the state be crippled.
Well, because you're posting on the internet, govt-developed technology, using a computer, through an ISP, which uses your payment to pay taxes - so not paying taxes would seem to be a rather arbitrary distinction.
I mean any taxes that one can avoid. Unless you grow your own food, for instance, taxes will be taken from your buying the food in a shop.
But literally cowing to the government and giving them a slice of your paycheck seems to me as awful. I think taxes should be avoided as much as possible - a barter economy or creating a fuel/energy alternative to oil by yourself (illegal) are ways to fuck the taxman.
Tax evasion has also always been used as a form of protest against the ruling class.
You can be involved with politics and still be productive, taking responsibility to do something yourself simultaneously.
Boil it down to don't put all your hope in one person,and if you really care do it yourself. Youre a good speaker but you go on for 30min what can be said in 5.
Sure dont focus your life on it, but you dont just NOT vote because the system is corrupt. Not doing something about evil is evil in itself.
And things do change over time- they cycle.
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Politics is total BS. Just look at the newest Irish government - they continue where Fianna FAIL left off -- selling the Irish public out so as to appease the IMF and their evil cronies. And look at the hype that surrounded Obama.
As George Carlin said about voting -- "Bullshit in, Bullshit out".
Buckminster Fuller: "War is the ultimate tool of politics."
Laoch111 2 weeks ago
excellent Stef, amazing. You open my mind. You free me, seriously.
yari13 3 weeks ago
I care not who runs the mafia so long as I do not have to participate.
PwaiChung 3 weeks ago
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@stefbot Starting at about 7:57 for the next three minutes (especially during the first half of the first minute), you expressed the rage I felt for a good 4 hours that inspired me to write a very scathing and regrettable comment and post that got me in trouble with the Secret Service and a lot of Americans.
JulesManson 4 weeks ago
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JulesManson 4 weeks ago
Politicians are pupets serving bankers and big corporations
boldman01 4 weeks ago
Love the video Stefan but what would be your solution since politicians (and the state) are worthless and corrupt?
1977Melville 1 month ago
@1977Melville ...therein lies rub...
thefreedomartist 1 month ago
Barry better with civil liberties?! Boy was he wrong.
1977Melville 1 month ago
Hey man, i like your video, and i think you're 100% logical, but i hate your "aaah f--k it, there's nothing you can do about it" attitude. There were many tyrants in history, and if people just had your attitude, we'd STILL be living under Nazi Germany or Nero or whoever. People need to get organized and we need nothing short of a revolution to tell the government to GTFO or greatly reduce its size. If we passively keep paying our dues, then nothing will change for sure.
TorontoBoi 1 month ago
personally i think yelling is way below you.. you have far more advanced tools..
xsickzackx 1 month ago
It's quite idealistic for alot of voters who shouldn't have to decide what to vote for pertaining to democracy and republican unions. They're literally as bad as one another when broken promises are been foretold, even in news headlines. It's like saying world slavery has come to mind so world leaders can control the human race to look like they're human waste in economic phases.
Ringvireot 1 month ago
My scratch n' sniff screen smells like teen spirit!
eyejudgeeverything 2 months ago
So how do you propose to abolish the system and detox people's minds?
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thetwinkleturnip 4 months ago
Where are you from? You almost sound Australian or something at times.
bubbah 5 months ago
Hey Steph... quick question... do you pay income tax?
ChoasTheory2000 5 months ago
i love this man
ac14081408 5 months ago
@stuntbaby63 I've enjoyed our little back and forth. At least you're putting some thought into these ideas. I can understand why someone would consider Stef a blind idealist with unrealistic utopian views. Our current world of statism is totally inimical to such idyllic principles.
I will be away from the Internet for the next few days and will not be able to respond to any of your comments. But I wish you well until my return.
wjkathman 6 months ago
@wjkathman Thank you very much for your very intelligent and classy posts. It is certainly a pleasure to share ideas with you. I admit that I have a lot to learn about the arguments that you and Stef are making. That's why I am a subscriber. I'll be sure to keep a look out for your future contributions, whether they are addressed to me or not. Cheers my friend!
stuntbaby63 6 months ago
good topic n' all, but this alternating between screaming rant and creepy whispering is just unbearable. Adjust your sound levels to compensate for it or something. Yikes.
JennJenification 6 months ago
Another brilliant video! Thanks again for the clarification! Everyone should watch this!
CaniPaul1 6 months ago
QUESTION: Do you believe, fundamentally, that Ron Paul is truly just as corrupt and power hungry than all the rest? /watch?v=iDDslRO5J8o&t=4m50s
levere1856 6 months ago
I mostly agree with you. Btw, I greatly admire your speaking abilities. However, I would like to refer to the point where you mention that good men do not seek power, only evil psychopaths. You also say people like Ron Paul (and this would include the other good souls in the political arena) are powerless and ineffective. What if this isn't necessarily true? If even they could impede the progress of evil momentarily, they would allow the progress of other good people. They seek power for change.
paytonmogford1 6 months ago
@Dalmekia Thanks for the reply. If you could set me straight with a logical point that is elevated by a show of kindness and decency, then I would appreciate it. Cheers!
stuntbaby63 6 months ago
1:13 Barack Obama better with civil liberties, and Hilary with healthcare? Funny that we thought that was the choice in 2008. And how did it turn out? Stef +1
jtropeano 7 months ago
You said, "Good people don't seek power over others." Clearly, you're a good person, yet you make videos in an effort to shape the way people think and behave. Are you not seeking power over us? How about a guy who seeks power over others simply because he feels a moral duty to stand in opposition to a Hitler-in-the-making? To me, he's better than a sideline-sitter who can't distinguish a Reagan from a Gorbachev and who refuses to protect his own friends and family from such a dangerous foe.
stuntbaby63 7 months ago
@stuntbaby63 You are confusing "power" and "influence." Power is the ability to violently force people to act in accordance with one's will. Influence is the mere attempt to impact the way others think/behave. Stef represents the latter. You are perfectly free to disagree with him. Actively disagree with the state -- by not paying your taxes, avoiding a military draft, selling/possessing/using a taboo substance, etc. -- and the state will throw you in a cage or perhaps even kill you.
wjkathman 6 months ago
@wjkathman Good point about "power and influence"! But since this is, by its very nature, a violent world, Stef's ideas aren't rooted in reality. A person who acts violently against a mass murderer is morally superior to a self-involved pacifist who allows the innocent to be murdered. A State that doesn't collect taxes, form armies and enforce laws can't compete with a State that does. Good people like Stef would have us create a power vacuum that would be filled by evil people. Thanks.
stuntbaby63 6 months ago
@stuntbaby63 If a state is as necessary as you presume, why resort to coercion in order to fund it? Food is an indisputable necessity -- does anyone have to threaten you with violence in order to persuade you to eat? If people aren't willing to voluntarily provide for their own protection, it is completely counterintuitive to force it upon them. Let people purchase their own security on an open market.
wjkathman 6 months ago
@wjkathman wrote, "does anyone have to threaten you with violence in order to persuade you to eat?" Maybe. If I have anorexia, my loved ones might threaten me or rob me of my liberty in an effort to save my life. But what if some despot threatens us with violence in order to prevent entire populations from eating? Do we just sit by and allow mass suffering and starvation? Stef is a pacifist, right? He sees all violence as bad. "Security on the open market" isn't an option in his utopia.
stuntbaby63 6 months ago
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stuntbaby63 6 months ago
@wjkathman I don't think the state is "necessary". I think it's the natural byproduct of human group dynamics. We, as social animals, instinctively form organized groups, as small as a family, as large as a state and as massive as a civilization. Our unavoidable state will serve either liberty or tyranny. If we project power in defense of liberty, tyranny retreats; If we project weakness, tyranny advances. Stef's pie-in-the-sky ideas project weakness and are music to the ears of tyrants.
stuntbaby63 6 months ago
@stuntbaby63 First of all, adult anorexics should have the choice not to eat -- otherwise, their lives are not their own.
From what I've gathered, Stef is a proponent of security on the open market.
To use state coercion to defend liberty is a self-refuting enterprise. It is only with Orwellian Double Think that we can sustain such an illusion. Stef's ideas may be unrealistic in today's environment of coercion -- but they are philosophically correct nevertheless.
wjkathman 6 months ago
@wjkathman The hell that anorexics die from isn't a "choice". Stef is a pacifist who conflates moral and immoral violence. Americans tend to see wars as a conflict between good and evil. But Stef is of the European mindset, seeing wars as entirely evil. He's an intellectual. As historian Paul Johnson defines them, intellectuals value ideas more than people. You admit that his ideas are unrealistic, yet you give them credibility? "Philosophically correct" and "correct" are NOT the same.
stuntbaby63 6 months ago
@wjkathman asked, "why resort to coercion...?" Because human beings aren't innately rational beings and don't instinctively respond to reason. My main problem with Stef's arguments is that they are predicated on the assumption that human nature is something other than what it is. As for buying our security on an open market, fair enough. But security is tied to law and justice, right? Who will be the arbiter of what is legal and just?...Anyone?...Everyone?...No one?...Stef? It's unclear.
stuntbaby63 6 months ago
@stuntbaby63 You and I probably won't ever see eye to eye on the anorexia issue. The only thing I will add: if anorexics do not have a choice in regard to eating, it is hard to see how they can possibly overcome such a condition. They are essentially hopeless.
To clarify my previous posts, I do not believe that most humans today possess the mindset for anarchism. That doesn't make such a mindset any less desirable. It just means we have a ways to go before we are ready for voluntarism.
wjkathman 6 months ago
It doesn't matter who our leaders are? It matters to me. A leader who projects power to advance liberty is preferable to a leader who projects power to advance tyranny. Yes, violence and money are at the center of everything. But that's reality, so we deal with the world as it is. Maybe we ARE doomed to be slaves to the ever-growing State. But a slave in the U.S. has a better life than one in N. Korea. You hide your wants yet ask for donations to buy food? Oops. You've tipped your hand.
stuntbaby63 7 months ago
I'm honestly left speechless at the end of most of your videos. You sir are an amazing orator with a brilliant mind, keep up the good work!
swankygoose 9 months ago 5
This man needs more views.
TheHumbleCat 10 months ago
reality state thing in deferent ways it depends on you smartness this is just for you what hold people together the longest love and necessity. truth is a big necessity any thing that is not true is covering over reality beliefs are not truth you can believe anything and believe it but the bottom line it is not true . truth is truth these are not thing i read i know them . you hear and believe i under all you are saying i stood where you stood once and i rose above the noise and confusion
greenearthnazi20204u 10 months ago
you are very religious your god is false science reality dictates everything to it absolute ends a pure course of action it just taking the long ass way around it in human terms reality can only repeat it over and over to the end of time maybe start over .you have shit for brains your head is filed with beliefs and you think they are real all sin brakes 1 of 2 laws covers over reality or brakes the bonds of love . man made up the homosexual as a sin add beliefs and fantasy in to sins
greenearthnazi20204u 10 months ago
12 people must me part of PNAC or something LOL
jmartin67 11 months ago
What a great speaker
THOMAS8845164 1 year ago
I want to know, seriously, if you believe that if you became an " elected official", would you help you electors? I expect from you, NO; but I wanted to make sure.
albertsneijMD 1 year ago
@albertsneijMD I would never become an elected official...
stefbot 1 year ago 9
I wonder if elections are at all LEGAL when so many people do not vote at all. I am not sure how many do not vote, but I believe is is near 50% or even more, that is why many people are begging non-voters to" please "just go and vote", because they feel ignored and illegitimate.
albertsneijMD 1 year ago
I wonder if Ghandi was different, as a leader? Or merely completly ineffective. Did he change anything at all?
lambecolin 1 year ago
Believe it or not the American Constitution with its checks and balances and constitutional limitations on government DO work. They weren't perfect, they were just a prototype. But constitutional limitations, checks and balances, and federalism CAN keep the government from initiating the use of force against the citizenry. But the only way to get those changes made is through public support for that change and voting is the most effective way of supporting those changes.
Aliothemage 1 year ago
Over long periods of time, yes, it is impossible to push our current political system towards liberty because it is systematically prone to abuse. But, there are certain systematic changes that can change that if they are set in place. There are constitutional amendments that can systematically cut away at government excesses if they are put in place. It is difficult to set them in place, but not impossible and it is the ONLY realistic way to cure the system permanently.
Aliothemage 1 year ago
A commenter wrote, "i disagree on supporting it. to follow politics out of interest is not support".
I thought that is a fair point.
The mafia is violent, but ... what if you had a "vote" if you will for its leader? Your choices are a known sadist or an efficient, but ruthless and not particularly sadistic businessman. Why not do what you can to lessen the evil?
What if somehow there was a possibility to replace Hitler with an evil, but less charismatic and insane, Nazi.
Why not do it?
ChristophDollis 1 year ago
Do I think voting is the path to personal freedom and libertarianism?
Probably not. It may help overturn the worst of government excesses and slow, somewhat, it's tentacles from stretching into yet more parts of our economic and personal lives, but I get your point that it isn't the ultimate solution (although philosophy and voluntary persuasion person-to-person works).
But while the government exists, I want the LEAST irrational, psychopathic person in charge.
So why not cast that ballot?
ChristophDollis 1 year ago
I'm not saying humanity's genetic propensity to organized violence under certain situations is "good". I'm saying the evidence is overwhelming that it exists and, as a defense, it has always been necessary to band together. On that basis, morally, I'm a much bigger fan of Canada's record (even with our government and leaders) than, say, well almost any other country.
Perhaps that's mostly because we're young... and America has only attacked us once. So we're fortunate.
Poland? Not so much.
ChristophDollis 1 year ago
I believe you're overlooking (I'm sure you're aware of it, and I mean that in a positive way: you're educated) an important aspect of reality.
We are... social primates.
We're social animals... and unfortunately, aggression is part of our genetic make-up as is having leaders.
A few philosophers have seen beyond this genetic limitation such as yourself. Excellent.
But... until everyone else does, we really do need those armies. And that's just reality.
Ask Goodall about her genocidal chimps.
ChristophDollis 1 year ago
I agree about what you said about politics being a waste of time and emotional energy for the majority of people and up until now, I have been more guilty about this than most people.
Simple math indicates I have very limited control over the direction of "Canada" at least as a voter.
However, there's a real difference between von Hindenberg and Hitler in power. And the US military has physically liberated many people (as has Canada's), including against said Hitler.
Further (to be continued)
ChristophDollis 1 year ago
One, Reagan had the Democratic Congress which was the main source of spending (they control the budget). Reagan vetoed some of their budgets, you had gridlock, etc.
I'm not arguing for Reagan's perfection, but you overlooked this critical fact.
Two -- what about someone like Lincoln?
Again, not a perfect man. But he campaigned on liberating the slaves and by golly he did.
That's real liberty, Stefan, compared to what they had before.
By and large, I enjoyed this video.
ChristophDollis 1 year ago
This is completely wrong! Show no needs? Ok, well, the guy next to you isn't hasn't listened to you so he will show his needs and the politician is going to get the 1 vote he wants anyways. Politicians don't need my vote, or your vote to win, they just need 1 more then the other guy and unless YOU think you can "change" 150 million people then SOMEONE is going to vote for them.
Also, not ALL politicians want to rule over people. I want to go into politics, but to sincerely free the people!
Aliothemage 1 year ago
Don't vote...
What do you want us to do, violently overthrow the government? You have a lot of great ideas, but this isn't one of them. Sure, democracy has a lot of weaknesses but it is our only alternative to the violent overthrow of the government.
I'm all for us getting out the good word and opening people's eyes but if WE don't vote, the ignorant state supporters will REALLY accelerate the slide into further tyranny and parasitism.
Aliothemage 1 year ago
@Aliothemage
I watched Ayn Rand today on YouTube. And while I'll say you haven't come close to me regarding either your sincerity nor ability to go into politics to "free the people", I agreed with Rand where she supported voting itself, but thought individual rights to control one's own life and property must trump collective will.
So I DON'T agree your plan will "free the people" will work, it is still better to have those who are TRYING to do that in power than straight collectivists.
ChristophDollis 1 year ago
@ChristophDollis
If you don't agree that voting can "free the people" then what is your best idea? Voting is a way to create a form of peaceful revolution, and while the system has a lot of problems, it is surely still better then violent revolution. There is no reason to believe any other type of revolution would be any more successful in creating liberty anyways.
I don't get how Stefan and others think liberty is going to happen without voting (continued).
Aliothemage 1 year ago
(continued)
Stefan, in another of his videos, pointed out that it is no longer feasible to take the government back by force because it is no longer muskets VS muskets, it is not shot guns vs tanks, missiles, riot gear, tear gas, ect. And yet Stefan is here calling us not to vote. What the hell? Does he think that the country will just fall into a rational anarchic system all on its own if we just let the Statists do whatever the hell the please? That's not going to happen. We need to vote.
Aliothemage 1 year ago
@Aliothemage
Fundamentally I agree with your points.
ChristophDollis 1 year ago
@Aliothemage
I believe I was saying I wasn't completely convinced -- based on reading one YouTube comment from you -- that *you* are able to "free the people" (or that you're necessarily sincere and pure of heart enough to resist the temptations to abuse political power indefinitely).
I wasn't saying the idea of *voting* itself has no value. And I agree that government can be partially restrained by cultural expectations and a decent constitution and laws ... if they're combined.
ChristophDollis 1 year ago
i disagree on supporting it. to follow politics out of interest is not support
111imstupid111 1 year ago
@111imstupid111
You say something important, which I shall put up above as a main comment in this thread. It will be my last one for the timebeing. It is a thought-experiment challenge to Stefan, if you will.
By the way, I'm a fan of Stefan's work about personal liberty and ethics in general. However, I have a situation I believe he should consider.
ChristophDollis 1 year ago
fucking brilliant mate!
TheJovanist 1 year ago
thank you
you know some how i always knew this yet i never connected he dots.
Logic is amazing
MirageScience 1 year ago
I'm amazed that anyone still believes politics can really solve problems considering the thousands of years of proof to the contrary. Here in Thailand we have recently seen yet another example of the total failure of the political system. Luckily you can still insulate yourself from the worst of the damage here by living in the hinterlands and being self sufficient.
pretorious700 1 year ago
I'm glad you stopped being this dramatic in your videos.
waksibra 1 year ago
I love how you and many people try to wake the sleepwalkers but I cant stop thinking how useless it feels like. it's like trying to eat corn flakes with a toothpick or so. The whole thing goes far more deeper than just 'not voting' . It's a huge avalanche that cannot be stopped. I wouldnt want to say so but it really seems like lots of people are going to die for the greater good, while its survival of the fittest one can only hope that we would finally learn from our mistakes.
decemi 1 year ago
good vid
STAB1L 1 year ago
I wish you would quit beating around the bush, and say what you really mean...lol I've watched this a couple time and I agree, there is no good will come by participating
trashcanman1000 1 year ago
So like, if I get arrested, make it a fun time & enjoy my hours & days in the jail cell?
rockstarofredondo 1 year ago
You talk about just paying them whatever they want and not getting involved-- what happens when they come for everything, what happens when they come for your life?
lethargiccrash 1 year ago
...Your rant was uncomfortable to watch so i stopped. You don't seem very happy when you are ranting...so what use is it?
abro555 1 year ago
....cont.. If i appreciate a politician or policy, i feel good and my focus and appreciation attracts more of that ,if i criticise them, i feel bad and my focus creates more of the same. I have met many polititians who have changed peoples lives for the better and are caring people. Ultimately, most are not aware of their own inner being and true power but many have good hearts and mean well. I tell it like i want it to be...
abro555 1 year ago
i consciously practice the Law of Atrraction and so i was interested in your video as i understand that i influence the money, health and opportunities that flow into my life and politics is of little consequence compared to my own powerful connection to source energy. So whilst i don't feel dependent on politicians for my wellbeing and have no interest in politics i choose to look for what i want to see with regards to this....
abro555 1 year ago
This is a very very interesting vid. Given that the state is evil, what would be an action to move more boldly against it? Sure there is ignore it and get it out of your life, as he is suggesting, but is there something more one can do to move more boldly against it without 'doing' evil itself? I understand the leave evil alone argument is supposed only way to dismantle/fight it, but is this an absolute? is there anything one can do to go further? can one literally move more boldly against it?
LibertyJedi 2 years ago
Almost Shakespearian at 6:40
zliminator 2 years ago
hell yeahhh, you nail it over there!!!
peace out my friend ;)
drmihailo 2 years ago
I think you're spending a lot of emotional energy on politics.
MomoTheBellyDancer 2 years ago
Voting = "Please help me master! Do something!"
Democracy = "My posse makes the rules! You don't like it, tough shit!"
Republic = "Let's elect a few elitist know-it-alls that 'know' what's best for us!"
Patriotism = "You're with the crew or you're gone!"
Tyranny = "I MAKE THE RULES PERIOD."
See the big picture, folks.
jtorres520 2 years ago 30
i dont get it
Chepo760 2 years ago
@jtorres520 Democracy does not mean that the majority is supposed to trample all over minorities, dear child.
bubbah 5 months ago
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@bubbah "Democracy does not mean that the majority is supposed to trample all over minorities, dear child." Unless the majority decrees it. Anything otherwise would be undemocratic.
truevoice08 3 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I agree with certain parts on your views on politics, but you can't generalise all parts of the government. The government has to provide certain services, because no one will build freeways out of their own pocket and no one will make sure companies that have monopolies don't enslave their consumers.
RoyvanKeulen 2 years ago
You might be right, but I think that there are good arguments to the contrary -- you might want to check out my free book Practical Anarchy, available on my website... :)
stefbot 2 years ago 9
I will check it out, thanks for the reply and ignore my message in your inbox. I'll send you a reply after I've read it.
Kind regards,
Roy
RoyvanKeulen 2 years ago
Politics doesn't exist for it is not internally consistent because we can act 'politically' in the sense of urging societal action yet we can simultaneously act apolitically if we are not attempting to gain power over sovereign institutions of violence. This apparent inconsistency proves a duality in the definition of politics is at large. It is an ephemeral drape concealing something that does exist: violence. And 'collectivists' are just individualists who wish to control others by violence.
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
relisten till you get it, government is neither necessary nor virtuos ....
leadcreator 2 years ago 3
@RoyvanKeulen Sorry, but you are wrong. Freeways are built mostly by subcontractors who are perfectly able to do it without government interference.(I was an engineering subcontractor for 30 years). Also, the free market with healthy and unrestrained competition precludes the simplistic notion of monopolies and "enslaved" consumers. This mindset is the result of government controlled education.
pretorious700 1 year ago
@pretorious700
I'll admit that I don't live in an area with a lot of private freeways, but I do know, that as a consumer, the payments I have to make to travel a certain part of asphalt on a private freeway is much higher than what I pay in roadtaxes (which, in my country, more or less cover the roads expenses). Also, they look better and drive better. Capitalism tells us that without competition (one freeway to get from a to b or other monopolies), prices are too high.
RoyvanKeulen 1 year ago
Although I agree, in principal, with what you are saying here I also feel that you are too condescending to your audience. It's not all about you is it?
danielthorp1974 2 years ago
As much as I agree with the sentiments of this video, I am troubled by the question of what exactly would be the result of everyone not voting? Don't we need people to organize the emergency services and lay roads and build schools etc?
Chivas6 2 years ago
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daemonboi2 2 years ago
Don't we pay people to do these things for us already? Why ask government to act as a middle man?
hasatum 2 years ago
This was Stefbot's best video
Mattes50A05 2 years ago
lol, theres no heathy cancer, theres no healthy gangrene. classic.
vengencefrom1979 2 years ago
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no valid points from someone who is too simple and too scared of the system to understand it. go back to ur cave, ape. we all will follow politcians for a long time and they'll make our lifes even better. no one will be talking about u 5 years from now but politicians will still be in charge and theres nothing u can do about it : )
gurkengrumpel 2 years ago
You blend into the choir and sing static with the others.
You Memorize your 9 numbers and deny you have a soul.
I pity you.
Let the true genius in his padded room remain.
TheArcaneAvenger 2 years ago
just like ur messiah: no hard facts, just the mystic promise that I miss the big picture and some wizards are ruling us all..
gurkengrumpel 2 years ago
Sorry, I don't believe in a messiah.
Also, you do miss the big picture because you fail to see that you are nothing.
TheArcaneAvenger 2 years ago
reply makes no sense and so does your head. grow up, kid
gurkengrumpel 2 years ago
"just like your messiah"
I stated there is no messiah.
"just the mystic promise that I miss the big picture"
I stated you do miss the big picture and retorded by saying what you are missing.
Sorry that you can't wrap your head around simplicity.
TheArcaneAvenger 2 years ago
u should wrap ur head around SOME simplicity and get away from those crazy theories. there are soo many of those and countless ppl making cheap money with it.
I promise u'll see things my way someday
gurkengrumpel 2 years ago
You speak for everyone, using "we"?
domaineer 2 years ago
It was a person and what he said was very out of order. I donated $4 and he refunded it stating that such a small amount isn't worth sending. wtf!
Greekriots 3 years ago
Wow if that is true, he doesn't understand that many 4 dollars adds up to alot, seems like his reasoning here is flawed, I wonder why??
LibertyJedi 2 years ago
yea... just make sure ur donation is like over 10$,,, otherwise it gets refunded as its "not worth bothering to send " anything less.......
Greekriots 3 years ago
Who refunds it; are we talking an automatic process here, or a person?
Valelacerte 3 years ago
I remember when Bill and Hillary promised to fix the health care mess... that was a big part of what they ran on. And look where we are now!
wtc911 3 years ago
Here and now I swear off politics.
Fetchdafish 3 years ago 4
The hood ornament crack made me laugh out loud.
Kl0kw3rk 3 years ago
excellent. a great video.
elliotcheely 3 years ago 3
Stef is the Braveheart of the 21st century.
Emagine - just for a moment - if they broadcasted this video on CNN every night for a week.
chardoc89 3 years ago 25
@chardoc89 I think if they did that this government would be FINISHED
alistairproductions 1 year ago
@chardoc89 LOL....... everyone would be smoking weed by the end of it!!!!
sim0b 10 months ago
For some reason the responses don't go under the comments, like other YouTube threads.
But, back to the subject, wasn't the old west anarchism and didn't people take the law into their own hands and things were really out of control, people got killed, theft, lawlessness in general. Is anarchism the ideal, or is Ron Paul the ideal?? If we are going for the ideal, shouldn't be stop the pendulum from swinging too far? Isn't that the mistake we always make? Don't we always over-correct?
wikipediaronpaul 3 years ago
Never thought of myself as an anarchist, but I think I needed this. Not totally convinced, but willing to give this some thought. My daughter is a "conscientious abstainer" in her words, and she is usually pretty wise.
wikipediaronpaul 3 years ago 8
Thank you, I truly appreciate your open-mindedness - if you are interested, you might want to take my free audio book Practical Anarchy for a spin, it is available on my website... :)
stefbot 3 years ago 4
You say there is nothing that Ron Paul can give us because the system is designed to take. Ron Paul promises to DISMANTLE some of the parts of the system: The federal reserve, the IRS, an other bureaucratic institutions. This makes your entire argument void.
y0oho0 3 years ago
How did that go?
stefbot 3 years ago
It was one instance. One instance in infinite possibilities. It was possible. Your argument of "so this time it didn't work so you should give up" doesn't work on me, and anyone that bought your argument I feel sorry for.
y0oho0 3 years ago
Well, libertarianism has struggled for almost 300 years to reduce the size and power of the state, and has consistently failed in the worst possible way -- if you're interested in a short discussion as to why, you might want to check out my free book 'how not to achieve freedom', available on my website... :) best wishes
stefbot 3 years ago
You mean, how is that working for us? Not working so far. But don't we need roads? Don't we need infrastructure? Don't we need national security of the old kind? Don't we need a coalition of the states. Has anarchism ever been desireable? What country is totally anarchist? How is it working for them? I can't think of one.
wikipediaronpaul 3 years ago
Anarchism is all around you -- you do not use force I am sure to get what you want, but rather negotiate with people voluntarily -- and the fact that there is no anarchist country as yet does not mean much, since before the end of slavery, there was no country that did not practice it... :)
stefbot 3 years ago
The tuck mowing down the people and someone saying damn I wish it had a different hood is so incredibly and regrettably true.
overmind25 3 years ago
*The truck
overmind25 3 years ago
Come to NH... Free State Project
Dreepa 3 years ago
lol... I got an image of that dog jumping up for the treat and then getting kicked into the bus stop (goal) in one of your analogies.
All of it oh so very true. Since our last election in Australia I have been thinking voting is utterly pointless, they all work with the same agenda anyway. - removing freedom -. Doesn't matter who wins this US election, the whole world is screwed. Politics: "Poly" meaning many, "ticks" being blood sucking insects.
jumanous 3 years ago
The problem with most arguments is that there is a lot of truth in every argument, but then the solution is flawed. If we were Constitutional, we would have what we need.
wikipediaronpaul 3 years ago
Do you really think that we have had no major figures of change in the nation? Look how far we've come in 50 years JUST in regard to racism! 50 years isn't a long time, this country has come very very far. And yes, that is 300 million people, bit by bit, over 1 generation, maybe 2.
pokerihardlyknowher 3 years ago
Abraham Lincoln.
pokerihardlyknowher 3 years ago
FDR.
pokerihardlyknowher 3 years ago
Amazing. Thank you!
buttonheaddotorg 3 years ago
you are welcome, glad you found it useful! :)
stefbot 3 years ago
These videos are really playing a role in getting me to my next philosophical level. Again, thank you!
buttonheaddotorg 3 years ago
You should drop by the board, chat with thousands of other listeners... :)
stefbot 3 years ago
I'm planning on it! :D
buttonheaddotorg 3 years ago
f This vid made me sOOoOoOo wet LOL s
dipbob 3 years ago
Right On the money Video!
apks2004 3 years ago
Stefan, Stefan, Stefan... You are right about your analysis of politics. One exact sample of what type of politician you are talking about is Bob Barr. And yes - working with the system does not work - not without a whole lot of people shutting govt out of their lives voluntarily. BUT, you are assuming that Ron Paul was/is promising anything. He NEVER did promise anything - infact, he said HE CANNOT deliver anything he talked about (no fed, free market etc)- because President is NOT a dictator!
utubehayter 3 years ago
he is
bigcatz4455 3 years ago
I couldn't resist a geeky quote:
"A strange game, the only way to win is not to play".
stacycurl 3 years ago
People dont wanna believe it. If you KNOW this, and tell people this ((which i do)) you get called a dumbass or whatever. people want to be lied to, people want to be manipulated, people dont wanna believe anythings wrong. cuz to do tht, it would involve thinking differently, and getting off their lazy ass and taking action. its terrible.
rg37 3 years ago
well see we hear the problems alot, the conspiracy theories etc, but when are we ging to actually act as i have recently come out of a mental home for trying to commit suicide and failing, im sat looking at the world and beyond no action, i become more convinced the only route for me is out of here asap
t0et0e 3 years ago
Great job! Very powerful!
blackiswhite1111 3 years ago
It is my one greatest desire that, at some time in the distant future, humanity will finally achieve a sufficient level of mental and emotional evolution to realize there is no need for state, nor deity.
It is utterly absurd to attempt to "smash the state", or to manipulate it to become servile. The only hope for those seeking freedom, is to pursue it regardless of State. As that mindset takes hold, only then will the State wither, die, and pass into memory. This, however, will not occur soon.
qzvar 3 years ago
Stefan, I just say I agree with you. I was only introduced to your work recently, but I had reached basically the same conclusions, and have been arguing them for some time, including to the Free Staters.
I have for some time been aware of the fact that, the only way to achieve personal freedom, is to remove yourself from the game, and to strive to explain the rationale behind such a decision to others, in an attempt to aid them.
qzvar 3 years ago 4
you're so right -- its a business.. but i think some people are just flat out scared not to vote..
like power may fall into the wrong hands.. and that they passively contributed to that..
i dont know anymore..
ssips720 3 years ago
You make good observations, however what course of action is left other than anarchy and bloodshed? Anarchy would lead to survival of the fittest, rather survival of those most willing to use violence and fear as means of control, and eventually the cycle would repeat. So what course of action can we possibly take? Say we break the system, then what, a new system? If all humans where civilized then yes anarchy and refusal of the system would work, but we are not all civilized. We are human.
KonanXIX 3 years ago
Thanks -- anarchy might not be the monster that you think it is -- I have a free book on my website, if you're interested, called "Everyday Anarchy"... :)
stefbot 3 years ago
I'm downloading the audio version, I will listen to it over the next week or so, and see if you can change my mind.
KonanXIX 3 years ago
I enjoyed listening to your perspective and see what you are saying. Cynical much? ~_^
Especially noted the portions on impotent worry on control.
Spyrithorse 3 years ago
this guy really likes to spew rhetoric and listen to himself doing it
leefootball84 3 years ago
Actually, it's not rhetoric if it contains rational argumnents, and I'm not listening to me, you are.
Other than that, excellent observations!
stefbot 3 years ago
you quite obviously do not know the definition of rhetoric so i will give it to you...
1.(in writing or speech) the undue use of exaggeration or display; bombast.
2.the art or science of all specialized literary uses of language in prose or verse, including the figures of speech.
3.the study of the effective use of language.
4.the ability to use language effectively.
5.the art of prose in general as opposed to verse.
leefootball84 3 years ago
(the previous post continued)
6.the art of making persuasive speeches; oratory.
7.(in classical oratory) the art of influencing the thought and conduct of an audience.
and secondly when you like to listen to yourself doing it I was simply trying to turn a phrase, implying you go over the top (to turn another phrase)
leefootball84 3 years ago
good vid
VoteYourConsience 3 years ago
"I swear to God (23)" ???
modelmark 3 years ago
Ron Paul is a statesman, not a politician..
If anyone doesn't think he has integrity, principles and an unflinching respect for the truth.. if you think he'd go back on his word - go back on 30yrs of voting for the Constitution, you're delusional. :D
Conza88 3 years ago
Lol, realised calling him a 'statesman' is a bit of an oxymoron... ?
Aristotle -- "What the statesman is most anxious to produce is a certain moral character in his fellow citizens, namely a disposition to virtue and the performance of virtuous actions."
Its just that, he kind of wants to get rid of most of the state... hehe
Conza88 3 years ago
Excellent, simply excellent. You are giving me a lot to think about, really.
VictorPross 3 years ago
"voting is not contractual"
thats the problem, theres no accountability or responsibility anymore...bush did the opposite of what he told people...they tell me voting is important but i don't see the point sometimes
jmeiskues 3 years ago
You pay your taxes? If that is so, I am disappointed in you. A principled person must take a stand and withdraw as much as possible from the current system (which you even advocate here!) and channel their productive effort elsewhere, as they see fit. Only through that effort can the state be crippled.
themonkeywrench 3 years ago
Best of luck with that! I couldn't disagree more.
stefbot 3 years ago
How come?
themonkeywrench 3 years ago
Well, because you're posting on the internet, govt-developed technology, using a computer, through an ISP, which uses your payment to pay taxes - so not paying taxes would seem to be a rather arbitrary distinction.
stefbot 3 years ago
I mean any taxes that one can avoid. Unless you grow your own food, for instance, taxes will be taken from your buying the food in a shop.
But literally cowing to the government and giving them a slice of your paycheck seems to me as awful. I think taxes should be avoided as much as possible - a barter economy or creating a fuel/energy alternative to oil by yourself (illegal) are ways to fuck the taxman.
Tax evasion has also always been used as a form of protest against the ruling class.
themonkeywrench 3 years ago
absolutely brilliant!
enjoycapitalism 3 years ago
"if someone punches you, the correct response is to get away..."
...or to knock them the fuck out.
kimuraftw 3 years ago
Smartest man alive.
threebobs 3 years ago