If Hotter or Dieskau were the "better" baritone - that's a point of discussion which mostly will depend on one's (indiscussable) personal taste. On the other part I would like to remember that Hotter was a bass-baritone while Dieskau a baritone. It definitely makes a difference: Hotter sings many Lieder in a lower key than Dieskau, giving it a lower tessitura, more adapt to his bass-baritone voice. Here, he ends in a D (!). This would be rather low also for true basses ;-)
I agree with jutaipeter 100%. listening to Hotter is just magnetic. I could not listen to Fischer Dieskau for long, but that is purely personal taste. There is something in Hotter's performances that just make you want to listen again to discover more. That surely is a good test and the gift of any artiste.
Interesting performance, but a great deal inferior to Fischer-Dieskau's as far as I am concerned. Hotter has neither the diction, nor the nuances of DFD. And his tempo is fast enough to sound rushed. There are some touching moments but overall disappointing.
@Spiritakis Listen again. It does not come as a surprise that someone who has been indoctrinated by FIscher Dieskau's declamatory and overly artificial style finds this recording plain. Hotter has true naturalness, which is the highest form of artistry and the most difficult to achieve. Hotter by the way was Fischer-Dieskau's favorite singer and role model.
I did. Better than the first time indeed. But I still prefer DFD and have never been able to find his style ''declamatory and overly artificial'', an often repeated cliche I believe.
I am a little puzzled by this naturalness that is ''most difficult to achieve''. Naturalness one either has or hasn't, it's like originality: it can't be achieved. Hotter may have had it, but he still can't do justice neither to the music nor to the text, in my opinion of course.
I am a really huge admirer of Fischer-Dieskau myself, and just like you, when I first heard Hans Hotter performing the same repertoire, I felt it lacked in nuance. When you listen enough to Hotter though, you begin to adapt to his style and soon little nuances reveal themselves. His performance style gains in validity and his great sincerity (not to mention astounding technical mastery) begins to have an effect, though a different one since all great artists are truly unique.
@saiserieht 1000% agree with you.La vérité est presque entièrement là, elle ne peut être démentie sans démontrer de la part du détracteur une perversion de l'oreille.En écoutant Hotter,je m'aperçois que Dieskau a fait beaucoup de tort au répertoire qu'il a interprété.Schubert doit le maudire,car il a fait de son oeuvre sensible une chose mièvre.Maintenant,j'aime Schubert,car je vois enfin ce qu'on doit en faire!
That voice belongs to a true artist. Mr. Hotter smooth legato line and the easy messa voce are sublime. Then the dark deep tones are solid , but always beautiful.
Thanks for keeping the art songs alive and present.
HANS HOTTER PUTS THE LISTENER IMMEDIATELY IN THE MUSICAL CONTEXT & POEM'S MOOD HIS VOICE COLORATION ACCORDING TO THE NOTE AND WORD ARE TRULY WONDERFUL AS WELL TOUCHING.THE CONCEPT IS NOT ONLY ON DETAILS BUT AS A WHOLE WITH TENSION,SUPERB LEGATO & BREATH CONTROL ALL FOR MUSICAL INTENTS. IT IS REMAKABLE THAT THIS WOTAN COULD MODULATE HIS VOICE LIKE THIS. THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS GREAT CD !
I never understood why Schubert uses the phrase at the end of this peace that is so beautifully written. Why end it with "Wherever you are not, there is luck!" why that word at the end, instead of "land" or something. but painfully beautiful otherwise (o;
H.H. gut wie immer. Ein großartiger Sänger und Mensch, den ich das Glück hatte noch persönlich kennenzulernen. Er war ein Wegbereiter, vor allem beim Liedgesang. Eine Autorität ohne autoritär zu sein. Fazit: Einfach wunderbar!! + 5*
If Hotter or Dieskau were the "better" baritone - that's a point of discussion which mostly will depend on one's (indiscussable) personal taste. On the other part I would like to remember that Hotter was a bass-baritone while Dieskau a baritone. It definitely makes a difference: Hotter sings many Lieder in a lower key than Dieskau, giving it a lower tessitura, more adapt to his bass-baritone voice. Here, he ends in a D (!). This would be rather low also for true basses ;-)
ONeirda 3 weeks ago
I agree with jutaipeter 100%. listening to Hotter is just magnetic. I could not listen to Fischer Dieskau for long, but that is purely personal taste. There is something in Hotter's performances that just make you want to listen again to discover more. That surely is a good test and the gift of any artiste.
noteworthy99 2 months ago
I have discovered Hans Hotter only some months ago, and until then I thought my favourite singer was Fischer-Diskau. Well, I was wrong :)
jutaipeter 5 months ago
I prefere Hans Hotters interpretation , the depth of feelings ,beautiful voice, unique timber, evreything how it should be
NonnaBerter 11 months ago
Interesting performance, but a great deal inferior to Fischer-Dieskau's as far as I am concerned. Hotter has neither the diction, nor the nuances of DFD. And his tempo is fast enough to sound rushed. There are some touching moments but overall disappointing.
Spiritakis 1 year ago
@Spiritakis Listen again. It does not come as a surprise that someone who has been indoctrinated by FIscher Dieskau's declamatory and overly artificial style finds this recording plain. Hotter has true naturalness, which is the highest form of artistry and the most difficult to achieve. Hotter by the way was Fischer-Dieskau's favorite singer and role model.
saiserieht 1 year ago 6
@saiserieht
I did. Better than the first time indeed. But I still prefer DFD and have never been able to find his style ''declamatory and overly artificial'', an often repeated cliche I believe.
I am a little puzzled by this naturalness that is ''most difficult to achieve''. Naturalness one either has or hasn't, it's like originality: it can't be achieved. Hotter may have had it, but he still can't do justice neither to the music nor to the text, in my opinion of course.
Spiritakis 1 year ago
@Spiritakis
I am a really huge admirer of Fischer-Dieskau myself, and just like you, when I first heard Hans Hotter performing the same repertoire, I felt it lacked in nuance. When you listen enough to Hotter though, you begin to adapt to his style and soon little nuances reveal themselves. His performance style gains in validity and his great sincerity (not to mention astounding technical mastery) begins to have an effect, though a different one since all great artists are truly unique.
deramr 10 months ago
@saiserieht 1000% agree with you.La vérité est presque entièrement là, elle ne peut être démentie sans démontrer de la part du détracteur une perversion de l'oreille.En écoutant Hotter,je m'aperçois que Dieskau a fait beaucoup de tort au répertoire qu'il a interprété.Schubert doit le maudire,car il a fait de son oeuvre sensible une chose mièvre.Maintenant,j'aime Schubert,car je vois enfin ce qu'on doit en faire!
Thank's my friend!
abracadabranque 11 months ago
A gentle Wotan! :wub:
CraxiProfessional 1 year ago
That voice belongs to a true artist. Mr. Hotter smooth legato line and the easy messa voce are sublime. Then the dark deep tones are solid , but always beautiful.
Thanks for keeping the art songs alive and present.
WMP777 1 year ago
HANS HOTTER PUTS THE LISTENER IMMEDIATELY IN THE MUSICAL CONTEXT & POEM'S MOOD HIS VOICE COLORATION ACCORDING TO THE NOTE AND WORD ARE TRULY WONDERFUL AS WELL TOUCHING.THE CONCEPT IS NOT ONLY ON DETAILS BUT AS A WHOLE WITH TENSION,SUPERB LEGATO & BREATH CONTROL ALL FOR MUSICAL INTENTS. IT IS REMAKABLE THAT THIS WOTAN COULD MODULATE HIS VOICE LIKE THIS. THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS GREAT CD !
embenadorfinearts 1 year ago
mzia bahturidze
iulianik 1 year ago
I never understood why Schubert uses the phrase at the end of this peace that is so beautifully written. Why end it with "Wherever you are not, there is luck!" why that word at the end, instead of "land" or something. but painfully beautiful otherwise (o;
sdconductr 1 year ago
@sdconductr Just a small note, it ends with 'Glück', which means happiness, not luck
Weetikveelwelkenaam 1 year ago
@Weetikveelwelkenaam no sorry "Glück" means luck
vasssil69 1 year ago
@sdconductr that's a terrible translation. It should be "Happiness is where you are not!" A bitter reply to his question earlier.
wandersong 1 year ago
Пожалуй,это лучшее из исполнений! Из далёких 40-х тёплой рукой забирает сердце.
iulianik 1 year ago 3
@iulianik I let google translate this, if you dont mind:
This is probably the best of performances! From the distant 40-s warm hand picks up the heart.
saiserieht 1 year ago 2
har du det bra?
Oslosfantasi 2 years ago
I knew this was going to be good.
But WOW! WOW! WOW!
It far exceeded my expectations.
What wonderful singing!!
WOW again!
Ted10038 2 years ago
Move me to tears... absolutely beautiful.
ivanjuarezmex 2 years ago
My favourite lied, my favourite bass baryton :::)))
federricoilgrande 2 years ago
H.H. gut wie immer. Ein großartiger Sänger und Mensch, den ich das Glück hatte noch persönlich kennenzulernen. Er war ein Wegbereiter, vor allem beim Liedgesang. Eine Autorität ohne autoritär zu sein. Fazit: Einfach wunderbar!! + 5*
ErwinSchmiedel 2 years ago
dort wo du nicht bist, dort ist das glück...
loving schubert soooo much.
alexha89 2 years ago
Extraordinary - thank you so much for posting this most touching song in an arguably definitive rendition. Yes,genuine and directly from the heart :)
oakroom48 2 years ago 2
Thanks for commenting. Also not that Hotter always uses full voice, even in high passages when he sings pp.
saiserieht 2 years ago
Thank - I'll listen for this!
oakroom48 2 years ago
arg, I meant "note" not "not"
saiserieht 2 years ago